Welcome back, loyal listeners of the Stacking Slabs podcast two, episode eight of the WNBA card podcast. My name is Katelyn.

I go by at cold lunch cards on the Instagram machine and everywhere else on the Internet, and I'm joined by my wonderful cohost, Brett McGrath at stacking slabs, and we're excited to bring you guys more collector driven and community focused content surrounding the WNBA and card collecting.

Brett, how are you doing? I am doing very well. I am in this mode we get, into as just sports fans where you get very excited when things happen.

And I've had this, like, crazy roller coaster ride of emotion in my sports fan fandom this week where, I was at game three of the NBA playoffs Pacers Knicks.

And I'm, like, the king of this. I'll spend all this money and go to the one game that they blow. So I was at that game, and it was the stinker.

And then, like, coming trying to regroup the next day, I get the news about Caitlin Clark, which was just, and we'll talk about that more, which, like, set my sports, mental health in a plummet.

And then last night as we're recording this, the Pacers just had an unbelievable performance, to win, and they just need one more to go to the NBA finals.

So I've had a just wild week of being a sports fan, but I'm really excited to be here to talk about WNBA cards.

How are you? I'm doing good. I'm, traveling for work right now, so you guys may see for the Patreon members a little bit different background. But we're still pushing through. We'll we're still here to talk about the WNBA.

And I'm just really excited that, you know, the the WNBA is back in full swing. I feel like I I parked my my butt on the couch the past two weeks now and have just been consuming content and games as much as possible.

And it just feels like I'm getting back in the groove of things, and the players are getting back in the groove of things.

So super excited, and just looking forward to mostly what my links are are doing and everything like that, but also the league at large.

I just wanna say this for all the listeners. We've got, Caitlin out here waking up early on Pacific time with the microphone, bringing the gear with her, and that is a dedication to the game, and I'm fired up about it.

So we've got a huge agenda, and I'm excited to dig in. So, Caitlin, you you run point. Get us going.

Yeah. Let's start with tip-off. So previously tip-off, we've been talking about our own PCs, which is super interesting. But Brett and I thought we would spin this this week to be more about the WNBA card collecting community.

So, Brett, we wanna talk about what one of one of our big observations or what's top of mind when we've been looking at our WNBA card collecting community, whether that's online, whether that's in person, or just the overall sentiment of of this, lane of collecting.

So I have gotten so many messages from so many new, new collectors in the WNBA card space.

And a big reason is right there listening to this show. They're hearing us talk about cards. Maybe it's a category that they've been interested in. So I I think that's awesome, and I was in those same shoes not too long ago.

And when I'm diving head first into a new category, like, the community is such a huge part of it, and it's just not only understanding the the collector and the people themselves, but just like the motivations and desires and how everything works.

I tend to dive head first in and wanna understand everything.

And so I've been on this exploration for quite some time and finally reached this point, like, probably three months ago, where I started to really think about the availability of the cards I want and how they, show up.

And, you know, the best part about doing this show is you meet new people, and you can follow them on Instagram, and you see people have story sales.

And I think that's great, but not everyone sees those cards when they're listed. And we all know with story sales, it's like a twenty four hour deal. Like, if you're not on Instagram, you could miss out on it.

Then I think about marketplaces, and I think about WNBA cards. And let's, like, just take Caitlin Clark out of this conversation because it's, like, undeniable in every weekly auction or, big auction.

There's been a slew of Clark cards just based on the demand and how popular she is and, all of that. So let's just we'll just remove Clark from what I'm about to say. But, you know, I'm checking all my listings, safe searches.

I'm looking at all of the platforms, and I'll just do a WNBA search, on a marketplace and see what's available or what's ending that week. And it's always just, like, it is so sparse.

Like, it's a few cards here and there. It's typically never thing never anything that I'm really interested in. And I think that doesn't, like, scare me or deter me from wanting to collect more WNBA cards.

It just to me, it screams opportunity. And so, like, what I have been thinking a lot about and, you know, maybe this is something that this show and this platform can help facilitate, and I'm still working through that.

But I just think, like, we're in this time right now in the hobby where the more focused we can be around specific categories with content, with, selling, I think that's a really good thing.

And so I'm thinking a lot about, like, the opportunity of, like, what would a weekly WNBA card auction look like? Like, would that excite you? Would that motivate you? Because that's not something that is currently in the space.

And I just think the more curation, the more stories behind the cards that are available will not only build and develop interest, but it will lead to more sales and more cards exchanging hands.

So it is, there there really is not I mean, I'll shout out nineties auctions.

Nineties auctions is an awesome marketplace, and they do what they say. All of the cards are nineties auctions, and shout out to Josh for what he's building over there.

But I just I think this this focused niche approach to, buying and selling cards is something that is needed, and especially in this category where, you know, it's it's hard enough to try to find the cards.

So if we can do something to help bring cards together and make them available, and if we, on this show, can help talk about them, I think that's a really good thing.

So that's a lot, but, Caitlin, that's what's on my mind this week. No. I love it. And I think something that, you know, that idea triggered for me is this this thought that they are out there.

Those cards are out there. I saw this weekend, there was a massive DC Sports eighty seven consignment sale of a absolutely insane grail collection of WNBA cards.

I'm talking platinum medallions. I'm talking Rittenhouse on card autos into the more recent years of Panini product. And there were probably over 200 listings that ended.

And, from what I gathered in a Facebook group, that came from one collector who was consigning those. So it's not that these cards aren't out there and that they're not available. We just have a hard time finding them right now.

And I think when you talk about giving a platform or kind of just, amplifying those collectors and those sales, I I'm definitely looking for that and still trying my best to get my hands on cards that I'm looking for.

That being said, when I saw this DC Sports '87, consignment sale, I was shocked by the numbers.

I had my eye on a Lindsay Whalen platinum medallion rookie 2,004 out of 25. And I had a max bid of something that I thought was very competitive. It was a it was a PSA seven, and it it went way over it.

The card sold for over a thousand dollars. So people want these cards. People are looking for them, and I feel like it's just becoming increasingly more difficult to find them despite the fact that the community is growing.

So finding that that way to make sure that we can increase the convergence of availability and collectors entering the space, definitely something I wanna prioritize.

And if we have ideas about it, super exciting to me. That being go ahead. Comment on that because this is a perfect illustration of what I'm talking about in your example.

DC Sports eighty seven, awesome consignment shop. Tory's been on the podcast. They get the volume of amazing cards they get regularly is just crazy.

But if, like, if I am not going in manually and looking at DC stuff every week, or if I don't have those, like, ultra safe searches set up, or am I not in that Facebook group?

Like, I'm not I don't know about that. And I think that that the it's, for me, it's, like, more of a the awareness thing.

It's like, how can we build awareness to that story of that collector who consign 200 cards that I could set up here and talk about and wanna have conversations with you about.

And so, that's a great I'm glad you brought out that example, but that stuff like that just gets my wheel spinning. And, hopefully, we can maybe come up with something that we can do to to to improve it.

Absolutely. It's like this idea of education and not just, like, letting people stumble upon cards. Right? I think, like, most of the cards that I love and find, it feels like luck.

And if there's anything we can do to decrease the ratio of luck to just awareness and skill, that would be fantastic. So we're working on it. Yeah. What what are you what's on your mind? What's on my mind right now is the show scene.

I have not been to a show in, say, a month, month and a half, which for me is kind of a drought. The last one that I had was that big one that we used to kick off the podcast to talk about my selling experience.

And, at that show, there was a not a lot of WNBA product. But the more that I'm hearing from my fellow collectors online is that they keep popping up more and more in person and that the community around them is continuing to grow.

It feels like I've kind of foraged this little niche community in the Minneapolis Saint Paul Metro area of WNBA collectors, and I have a feeling that that's, able to be replicated elsewhere in the country and across the world.

So top of mind for me is how to find these collectors and draw them offline into real world scenarios. And something that I'm really looking forward to as we approach June and the summertime months is the national.

And I've just been thinking about how awesome it's gonna be to go into that experience more focused, and more educated about WNBA cards myself and try to, I don't know, make more connections in the w community.

Because last year, it was a turning point for me. So just thinking about the shows that are coming up the circuit and, what I can do to kind of, bring WNBA cards to the front of of those shows.

Well, the the benefit that you have in your location is that you have, an undefeated basketball team that you're cheering for, and people people collect when times are good and people want to remember, remember that.

And so I think, you know, it'd be might be a little different if, we I won't mention any names or teams, but if you're in a market that was really, really struggling, it had no signs of hope.

But, I've always I've always found that fascinating about any teams or any sports, but and I found myself in that spot before, but it's like when things are exciting, when momentum is building, typically, the people on the collectors on the periphery, like Yeah.

Take a peek. Like, they're like, okay. I know Nafissa Collier, plays here. I know she's really good, but I've never really taken the time to watch her.

And then they watch her, and they're like, oh, you know what? I collect cards. I wonder if she has cards, and, you know, people go to shows. So I think you are in a really good zone to to make that happen right now.

Yeah. I'm super thankful for what the links are doing, and that kinda leads us into our our next segment of league talk and the biggest headlines that we saw from from the WNBA this past week or so.

And, Brett, I wanna hear from you. What's the number one thing that kind of caught your attention.

Out of everything that happened this week, what's what's top of mind? Unfortunately, there was so much good basketball, and I watched a lot of games. But, unfortunately, it's the Caitlin Clark news.

I mean, it's just a total bummer. Right? You know, I think it is good that she said something, and it is good that, Steph White is is saving her from herself because we know Caitlin would run herself into the ground.

I mean, there was clips yesterday of her dribbling at practice and wanting the ball in her hand, and, you know, the, you know, the rest of the teams, like, go sit on the the the sidelines.

And that just sucks. Right? Like, we've we've waited all this time to to watch her player. Me, specifically, just as a a fever fan has have waited. And so it is trying to manage through that.

Like, I'm always a team first guy. Like, I'm a I'll I'll I like the fever. Caitlin Clark is a big reason for that, but, like, it's not like I'm not gonna go support and watch my team when she's not in.

So I think for me, it's just, you know, she's a big part of why I get excited to watch the games, and now she's out.

So I am trying to figure out and manage that in the first game. Her first game as we record the or the fever's first game dealing with this tonight is, of course, against my league past team, the Washington missed it.

So I I I feel like they're just gonna run run the fever into the ground based on the circumstances because it when you take such a a piece so important and the fever are still trying to find their footing.

I mean, they are by no means a finished, like, championship level product right now. You can just tell it's the chemistry thing.

What a lot of teams are going through, but they're trying to build that, and now Clark is gone. It's just I I I wish I could say I would be optimistic on these these these two weeks, but I'm not.

So I think what I'm interested in, and I saw, analytics or stats on just the ticket prices, like ticket prices to go to a fever game here in Indiana, in light of the news, like, tickets are down, like, 30%, which is just crazy.

One individual can move the needle one way or the other.

So it's only two weeks. It could be a lot worse. So I'm just trying to manage manage it. And I know we've got some questions about her cards in light of the injury, so we'll get to that. But, yeah, that is what's on my mind right now.

Yeah. I'm sorry for your loss, Brett. That's a tough one. I will say, I think, you know, when we talk about this discussion, like you said, we got some viewer questions more so, but, so we'll dive into it later.

But headline from me on this is that, the face of the league is now the starting point guard with Sydney Colson, and she is not a starter on any team in my opinion.

So that's gonna be a tough adjustment for you to go from watching a premier player to, I love Sydney Colson, but just not as talented of a basketball player.

And that being said, in terms of viewership, card prices, all the variables that we're kind of concerned about, I think the one that's gonna suffer the most is the team.

It's not, so much the viewership or the cards or whatever you wanna call.

So I would say just keep your head high, and hopefully this injury isn't something that's gonna be reaggravated later in the season. That's kind of my primary concern looking at the injury is not short term, but but long term.

I could I could not agree with you more on your assessment there. I think the team is it's gonna be tough sledding for a couple weeks. We just got a whole tide, and hopefully, we can win a a couple games that we shouldn't.

Yeah. Alright. So kind of changing, the tone here from injury and, not a great lookout to my biggest thing that caught my attention this weekend was, of course, my Minnesota Lynx.

I cannot go a week without talking with about them, not only because of my love and support and fandom of the Minnesota Lynx, but because they're backing it up.

They are performing at such a high caliber, especially compared to some of the other teams in the league that they've been playing.

And Nafissa Collier has been leading the charge. I've been posting some fee propaganda on my story after each game, and I think she's averaging damn near 30 points a game. Game. So it's just been, a dominant performance.

Not only has she been, scoring, but she's been facilitating. And she's been doing it mostly without her number two option on the court, which is Caleb McBride who returned for her first game and put up some impressive numbers.

So I'm feeling optimistic about, my Minnesota Lynx, the outlook of the season, and, hopefully, we can keep momentum moving.

But, that's definitely my my top take. Yeah. I think, you've been you've been on point with everything you've talked about with the wins and, with Fi. She's been the best player in the league so far.

I mean, if I'm voting for the MVP, I know it's just started. I'm I'm voting for her. I I look at I try to watch, the links as much as I can, because I know we're gonna talk about them on this podcast.

But when I miss them, like, I always just check out the stat line, and it's just she's she's just hasn't disappointed this season.

She's just continuing, this, revenge tour. And so, special player. If you're not watching, Fi, you should, buy League Pass and and and watch a game or two.

Absolutely. And the thing that I love about watching the links and specifically Nafusa Collier is that every single game feels like a business trip.

It's not so much this, like, glitz and glamour type of show where, I don't know. It's it's very different than some the tone of other teams. There's not really any room for any craziness or anything.

It's just basketball. And Nafissa Collier leads these women through the games, and it almost seems unfair at this point in the of the of the league. They just look number one by far and away.

I am dreading the moment that we have to face the Liberty. We'll see how it goes. I think, you know, as it as it works right now, which we're very early in the season, those are by far and away the best two teams in the league.

So super excited to see them match up at some point. Yeah. The Liberty. I've got a lot to say about the Liberty, and maybe we can dig into that next.

Yeah. Let's do it. So, Brett, one other question that we wanted to talk about was what's the biggest surprise, that you've seen in the league now that we're about two weeks in?

It's a surprise to me, but I don't I I'm I'm reminded. I don't think it should be a surprise, but it's been Natasha Cloud and her seamless integration to the New York Liberty. She has been, and she as in Cloud, has been unbelievable.

Like, her command, I got to a chance to see it up close and personal as the, Liberty came to Indy to play the fever in such a it never felt like the fever should have won the game, but they almost won the game, which gave me some sort of hope.

But Cloud has been just some numbers here, which it went down last night because she only scored five points, which is more of what I I I the role I figured she would play within their offense.

She doesn't really need to score, but she's been scoring. Mhmm. But she's averaging 15 points a game at the time of recording.

50% from three, five rebounds, eight assists per game, and two steals. I mean, she is getting put into the environment to optimize every just strength of hers right now, and it is special.

I think when you've got a player that plays such an important role no matter how good they are, it is really hard to, get them integrated, build the chemistry.

And I watch her. I've I've watched her time and time again this year. And it it's one of those things, and this happens in all sports every year.

The example to me in football last year was Derrick Henry on the Ravens. It was like his first year. But you're watching him play, and it's like it it feels like they they've been here forever.

Just like, look at this. So I, you know, I go back to the archive of us having a conversation, and I said to you, like, I don't view the Liberty as a super team.

And I wanna I wanna take that back. Okay. I wanna take that back. And I I didn't mean to disrespect any of you Liberty fan.

I know you're passionate. You're the champs. But, yeah, if cloud is playing and facilitating and scoring like this, there there is every bit of a super team as as, possible, and they're a problem. They're, like, they're a problem.

And so we just talked about your links. I wanna see the Liberty and the links play each other just to see get a measuring test because I agree they're the two best teams, but it's been really fun to watch Natasha Cloud.

And and and to me, she's playing at, like, an all WNBA level, and I'll be interested to see if that carries out over the course of the rest of the season.

Yeah. I have to agree here. When I saw her name in this portion of the show notes, I couldn't agree more. I was also surprised. Like like, you said something along the lines of I shouldn't be surprised, but I am.

I was surprised. Like, she was good, on the Mercury, but, like, this has been an impressive performance. I think she's putting up numbers that people would expect from Sabrina, which I'm not I'm not a Sabrina hater.

I'm not trying to put her down at all. But, like, these are numbers that I would expect from the perennial starting point guard of the team, not somebody who's just getting plugged in, after less than a year on the team.

So super excited about what she does. Also think that she's getting you know, going to Liberty and going to a large market team is so good for collectability.

And I think that Natasha Cloud is really getting put pushed at the forefront right now. I've been seeing a lot of people that are just now learning about her and, what her game's like.

So super excited to see that. And and happy for the Liberty, which is something that I I don't usually say out loud. So she's making a good impact.

Yeah. And in the Liberty, it's like the good teams keep getting better. It's like, okay. We'll just make these two draft picks that'll never play for us for a player who's going to help us win another championship.

It's just like a no you watch you see these moves happen and all these moves are happening. Yeah. And then when the it starts, you're like, this is why good teams continue to be good.

It's savvy moves like this. Yeah. Smart organization. Their their GM is very interesting it's a fun organization to watch them put it together. Very strategic.

Okay. My my biggest surprise after two weeks was the rookie impact that we're seeing from three main stars, which is Paige Beckers, Sonya Citron, and Saniyah Rivers. So Paige, obviously, the number one overall pick, went to Dallas.

Sonya has been making an impact on Brett's WNBA League Pass team on the Washington Mystics, and Saniyah Rivers is making an impact on my fantasy team for the Connecticut Sun.

All three of these players are not what I would say typical, big, physical like, they are, but, like, they're just not as big and physical as you would expect entering the league.

They're not forwards. I think all three of them are classified as guards. They're pretty lightweight, small facilitators, passers before scorers, and, I think they're fitting in really well on their teams.

Despite the wings having a rocky start this season, I'm not concerned. Like, they were they were not supposed to be good, so I'm not really looking to Paige to create a new winning mindset in Dallas.

It's like it's gonna take so much more than that, but I do think her efficiency on the court and ability to integrate into the the pro league has been impressive so far.

In terms of Sonia Citron, this is somebody who is sneaking up on my radar.

I think we we talked about her last week or the week before on if if Paige doesn't win rookie of the year, what would happen? And my first thought with that was, who the hell is gonna be Paige for rookie of the year?

And Sonya Citron has given her a run for her money. I think that the one to, the two man game going between Sonia Citron and Kiki Iriyafin on the Mystics has been beautiful to watch.

If if you're not tuning in, it's it's super fun to watch and impressive from two rooks. And I just think that, you know, Sonia is not backing down from the moment.

It's almost like she's operating as if she's a vet despite being a rookie. And I know that Brett's a a Notre Dame fan, so he's probably used to it, but I was just taken aback by her abilities.

She I watched her all season this year, and the feedback from everyone was about how they that her game is going to be the most WNBA ready, and she's going to be ready to roll.

And and in that Notre Dame system, it was really hard to see exactly what they were talking about because of everything else, and everybody else who needs buckets on that team.

And I I know she's knew she was a very good player, but, like, it was crazy. Like, I I liked watching her play, but, like, her projection was so high.

I was like, is she really that? And then she gets to the WNBA, and it's like a seamless transition. And it's I I will say this. I watched her all season last season, and now I'm watching her almost every game.

And I am surprised by is the impact she's making this early. She's she's a very, very special player, and I'm excited to to if she's playing at this level just as she progresses, what's what's what's coming next for her?

Yeah. I'm a big fan. I'm also a fan of the attitude that she brings towards the team. Very cool, calm, and collected silent assassin type. Kinda has the same attitude to me, and I know I'm not saying I'm not comparing here.

But in terms of attitude, she reminds me a bit of Jackie Young where it's like, I'm here to play basketball, and you're gonna watch me, and it's gonna be good.

And I'm gonna play with my big who takes care of the ball and takes care of me with AJ Wilson, Jackie Young, and then Sonya Sichuan and KiKi Irriathan.

And speaking of that, when the mystics played the aces, KiKi Irriathan put on a show. I expected her to get absolutely manhandled by Asia Wilson in the paint, and it was not that.

It was a competitive fierce matchup between the two. So your mystics look good. I think, you know, you could you could say that a main reason for that is the rookies that are playing.

So just super impressed by them. And then the final person that's been surprising me is Saniya Rivers who was drafted out of, can I say my NC State Wolfpack?

Is that allowed? Yeah. Yeah. You you've been repping. I've been repping the n the NC State women's basketball team now since March Madness and before.

And she came out of that program and got drafted to the sun, not the greatest team to get drafted to for both, you know, outlook outlook on the season and, you know, you can read more into what's going on over there with the potential sale of the team.

But Sanaya Rivers had a small injury to start the year, didn't play, and then got a couple starts here in the second week and has been nothing short of impressive for a rook.

So my main takeaway, my main surprise is I really didn't think this rookie class was gonna live up to, you know, the expectations that was set by the year before.

But I really think they are, and I'm super excited to watch them grow and develop. It's gonna be fun, and I wasn't expecting this either. So I'm excited to see the the rookie of the year race unfold.

I know since we last spoke, Paige has put up some just awesome game. I think she's gonna be the front runner all season, but it'll see we'll see if, some of these other players can catch her. Yeah.

Okay. Let's move on to our our third and final question of league talk, which is, who do you think is off to a really good start that maybe isn't getting talked about enough either in the WNBA community or the card collecting community?

I wanna I wanna pitch this one to you because I my mine is going to segue into our next segment. So maybe, you you take the lead on this, and then I'll follow-up.

Okay. I'll start with my pick, which is two players on the Phoenix Mercury, Satu Sabli and Alyssa Thomas. The Mercury has have a has had a identity rebrand following the retirement of DT and the trade of Brittney Griner.

So they really have a new look. They also lost Natasha Cloud, who we just talked about. So now the new one two punch is Satou Sabli and Alyssa Thomas, both extremely physical players who know how to get to the paint.

AT has been averaging just over 15 points a game, and Satu has been averaging just under 20, with some other impressive stats in other categories like rebounding assists. So I've just seen I the the Phoenix Mercury are four in one.

They're kind of a dark horse right now. I feel like nobody's really talking about them. They're they're just they're looking good. And I think that people need to pay more attention and soon enough they will.

I think once you get the physical treatment from AT to your team, things become a lot more apparent and obvious instead of just watching it happen to other teams. I wasn't sure they could coexist, and boy are they coexisting.

And I think about AT and, I don't know if we talked about this, but it feels like we should this should be mentioned every time. But you you you it's hard to replace legends.

It's hard to replace goats. And I just think about, like, the attitude in the culture where it's like, Tarasi retires, and it's like, what do you do next? It's like, well, let's sign AT for some of that culture building badassness.

And it's, like, crazy that they brought in these two players and that they lost these three players, and they're, you know, playing great basketball. So I just think that should be noted.

And it's Alyssa Thomas is the ultimate, doesn't get enough credit player. And it's just because her her style of play and it's all I I feel the same way just going to the NBA side, like, with Halliburton.

It's like Halliburton had a ridiculous game last night, triple double, and it's like, it's their style the styles are just so different, and people aren't used to them.

So it's, like, really easy to default in saying, like, that player is not one of the league's best. So I think AT is certainly in a new environment just right out of the gates is proving how freaking good she is.

Yeah. She's impressive. I think she's been in the top five of MVP voting, like, all of the past four or five years or something like that. And I think part of why people discount her is how ugly her shot is and like Pretty ugly.

Well, it's it's nasty, guys. If you guys haven't watched it, like, would recommend. I think she tore both of her shoulders, which caused her to kinda re remake her her shot.

And I just think that, you know, it's a little difficult to watch that and takes away from the viewing experience of how impressive she really is. So I'm just excited to see how how the Phoenix Mercury develop.

They've got the highest paid coach in the league, I think, and and a good system that's that's working so far. So just excited to see that. Nneka Ogumike is who I wanna talk about, and she needs more respect.

I feel like she needs more, the placement at the top of the conversation. I she has just been a absolute monster when I love looking at the box scores every night, and it seems like every night I look at her stuff, it's just insane.

I think Seattle is I I was not expecting anything from Seattle this year, and they're three and two out of the gates. And Naca's a big reason why. Through five games, she's averaging 18 points, nine rebounds, two assists, and a steal.

Like, I've seen some crazy double digit rebound games from her out of the gates. But she's been playing since 2012, and her production is in the WNBA since 2012. And her production now is it's like she never dips.

And we we've talked about this talked about this, but and we talked about a collector last week, who collects NECA, but it just doesn't seem like there's a ton of NECA collectors out there.

So, yeah, I the I wanna I just wanna give her some flowers and then also maybe, segue into kind of the player profile spotlight featuring, NECA, if you think it's a good time to do that or anything else based on the last segment.

No. This is super exciting to talk about Nneka.

I also think, like, a good a good thing to talk about here before we get into her cards and and her performances that she is the president of the WNBA Players Association and is doing a ton of work to make sure that the next, CBA or collective bargaining agreement for the players is something that benefits both the players and the team.

So So apart from being a menace on the court for over ten years, apart from being a great person and a good media presence, her sister is also an Agumacay sister who does a lot of the, coverage on game nights.

So just a lot to talk about here.

I'm surprised that we haven't talked about Nneka yet. So excited to see what what we've got for a player profile. So I'm gonna read some credentials here, but, once she gets everyone in the league paid, that might be her her number one.

That'll be her legacy when the players finally get paid what they're what they're worth. But okay. Let's get into it. So she is I'm a big, I'm a big player efficiency rating guy.

I think I don't think it's, like, the end all be all, but I do think it's a really important statistic, and it can really help not only tell you how good a player is, but, like, how good of a teammate that player is.

And so, NECA, in the history of the league, is eleventh all time in WNBA, player efficiency rating. We talked about Asia being number two of all time, behind, I think, Cynthia Cooper's number one.

But it's when you you take a stat like that and you put it across the history of the league and a player is eleventh and she's still active, like, to me, that's like, okay.

We should be talking about her and take note of that. She's a WNBA champion. She's won MVP in 2016, rookie of the year, nine time all star.

She's been all of the NBA first team one, second team six times, all WNBA defensive first team four times, and second team three times, member of the WNBA twenty fifth anniversary team.

So just a few, credentials for for Nneka. But I wanna get into just some of her biggest sales. These aren't like I didn't go down the list. I just picked some cards that I think were cool that we can talk about.

This is her 2012 Rittenhouse, autograph PSA 9, with an authentic autograph. This is for, Patreon members can, see what we're showing on the screen, but we'll try to talk through for anyone else who's listening.

This card sold on eBay in June of twenty twenty four for $4. 99 99. So you're looking at a, you know, twenty twelve, not a ton of different products to choose from, only so many different rookies, cards.

We're looking at Rittenhouse for those rookie cards. But all I read all the credentials. Like, you can get her rookie card, on card, autograph, beautiful autograph, by the way.

Beautiful autograph, for $500. You've got her select concourse, from this year, gold vinyl. This sold on 02/09/2025 for $4. 47. I love the concourse level debut select product, one of one gold vinyl, again, under that $500 mark.

Then we move over to her premier level out of select. Her gold vinyl PSA 10 sold for on May 4, so this month, for $380. Are you kidding me?

Are you kidding me? PSA. See, this is yes. No. I'm not. I I'm looking at card ladder. I'm looking at the data. By the way, we haven't done this, I don't think, on the WNBA card podcast, but just wanna plug card ladder.

Card ladder is the official data provider of the WNBA card podcast and stacking slabs. I don't know how I would do my job without card ladder. But, yeah, that a PSA 10 of this card just I don't know.

It I I think if we're to rank, like, the different levels, like, a majority of people would probably put premier last behind concourse and courtside, whichever way you wanna shake it.

How do you how do you feel like, you had the reaction. Like, where did the reaction come from, Caitlin? What what are you feeling about this sale?

I just this feels so disrespectful. Like, this card is beautiful no matter how you feel about, like, the parallel structure. It is still a gold vinyl one of one. I would argue that this is a semi color match as well with the storm.

The gold just looks so good with the green and yellow. And I just think, you know, we read off the accolades, and there is no doubt that she is one of the best players in the past twenty five years in the past in the WNBA period.

And so to see a one of one go for under $400, just like comparing that to the rookie class or the incoming rookie class, it just feels it doesn't make sense to me.

And I'm just I was just shocked by the sticker price here. This just seems like a deal. And if I saw sometimes I think about it.

Okay. We have all these cards that are available online, and we see them posted by people. If I saw this in a showcase for what was the exact the exact amount? $3. 03 80. 3 80. I'd be like, take my money.

Hello? Like, this seems like such a steal and something that's so hard to find and come by that the price was just shocking to me. I feel like I usually don't have that kind of that kind of reaction. You mentioned the rookie of it all.

We can go with the second year players because a lot of those are being featured in cards right now in the community, or you can go to this rookie class, that's just getting going whose cards are coming out.

Any one of those players would love to have a career that Nneka has produced. So that's something too, I think, is a line.

There's a huge gap in between what the market is buying and what is sitting there waiting for a savvy collector to buy, and this is a perfect example of one of those cards. A %. Okay. We've got her NECA's, 2020 debut prism black gold.

This sold in 2023 for $200 out of five debut. Yeah. This is the fur the the other one, the rookie. I was gonna say this is the first Sparks card, that we have of hers, but the rookie, obviously.

But, yeah, that's crazy. Like, I would like, I would hope if this thing went to auction right now, it would be three times that, but I don't know.

Like, what do you if this card went for auction right now, twenty twenty black gold out of five NECA, what do you think what where do you think it would land, Caitlin?

I think it would approach a thousand dollars for sure. Okay. I think, like, the twenty twenty of it all has been surging in the market, as it should be in my opinion.

But I think people are really drawn to it because it's such an easy point or easy set to point to and say this will be meaningful in twenty years.

And so to see a player like NECA who less than two years ago sold for $200 is just people were ahead of their time, ahead of the curve here on these purchases for sure. No doubt. So those are some NECA cards.

I think, to me, a player like NECA is the definition of the opportunity in WNBA cards in terms of value. And maybe I'll I'll throw this question to you, Caitlin, because I ask myself this a lot, especially when I have I don't buy cards.

But it's like, you look at all the information, you look at all the data, you look at the cards and what they're going for, and you see, like, the buy it now listing prices.

And you're like, this is affordable. Like, something in my head sometimes says, like, there's something wrong here in the present, and because no one else is doing it, I shouldn't be doing it.

And so, like, I'll avoid going and buying all these bargain bin cards even though, like, I might feel a certain way.

And I think that's something we as collectors go through where it's like, some sometimes you just got you have to set the pace. Like, you have to be the one to be like, alright.

Everyone else is silly for not going after this player or these cards, and it's okay to be the first one to spend more money than somebody else on a card, especially if you still find value in that. So I don't know.

Caitlin, have you gone through that before where you, like, know a player's good, you know the card is cool, and the price is affordable, but when you look at it, you're like, maybe I shouldn't buy this now because nobody else is.

Has that have you ever experienced anything like that? Absolutely.

And I think we would be lying to ourselves if we didn't admit that. It's not something that makes us feel good to admit that we're taking input from the hype machine, quote, unquote, over our own personal interest for our collection.

But the fact of the matter is it is a, a a contributing factor to some of our purchasing decisions. And I've certainly felt the pressure from outside forces like the hype market to dissuade me from from purchases.

And I think NECA, like you said, is that definition of opportunity where, you know, if you put NECA's stats and accolades and put them onto a player like I don't know.

I don't wanna name names here. But just like somebody that was really what Elena Delle Don is another player. I'll put that name on there. You take those two players, put their stats on a rookie a rookie player or a young player.

It doesn't have to be like Caitlin Clark, but, like, somebody that is impressive to you or a person like Kayla McBride, who I think, like, is a a great player but hasn't necessarily made that that next step.

If you put these up these these, accolades and and stats on that player, you would be like, what the hell?

Like, this is insane. And I think that, like, sometimes if we just remove the name, it can give us a more clear outlook on on valuation.

And sometimes sometimes people just overlook that. And so to me, it's like I've I've, of course, faced that decision where I'm like, okay. Do I wanna be the person that's setting setting the tone and setting the market?

And sometimes you just gotta say, you know, let's do it. Like and I think sometimes we get so carried away with comps and and valuations that, you know, we look at these cards and we're impressed or we're we're we're like, oh my god.

These sales are so low. And then you're like, wait. This was two years ago. And and two years ago, the landscape of collecting and landscape of the WNBA was entirely different than it is now.

So, you know, also give yourself a little bit of grace. And sometimes you're not always gonna be on the cutting edge of decisions, and that's okay.

So right now, like, you're not gonna be able to get a NECA card for, you know, as cheap as you would two years ago, and that's okay. And that's how it's gonna be.

So not being scared to kinda dip your toes into those types of players, I think, is something that I've been I've been wrestling with for sure. Newt, great. Well said. News flash for everyone. Nneka is not the only player.

And you just mentioned Adelidon. There's there's so many. And that's what that's what excites me so much about collecting cards right now. It's like not not everyone or WNBA cards. Not everyone has run-in and, gassed things up.

But, yeah, that was fun. We actually Caitlin, we actually, have a I might dive into the mailbag because I feel like we've got a listener question that might help set the stage for the next segment.

Let's do it. Hit me. Okay. So we're we're moving into MarketWatch, and we got we have to talk about the Caitlin Clark Gold Prism of it all, having both of the Gold Prism sell side by side. We have a question from Adam, a j m cards 94.

He said, there's been a debate over the true rookie versus variation for this year's WNBA prism. If each card was considered equal for true versus variation in price, which design do you prefer and why?

Great question. I wanna get into that with you, Caitlin. I'll also say that this is the hard part, and this is why it's so confusing. The two two car like, one card, it's not being positioned as a variation.

It's they're just two cards with different numbers in the same set where previously in football cards, for instance, you would you would see this is the the rookie card, and then they would identify this is the variation.

If you look at this checklist or look at even PSA slab in these cards, they're not identified it's not identified as a a variation.

So I just wanted to, like, clear that up because it's confusing, and I was confused by it out of the gates.

But back to Adam's question, Caitlin, if each was consider considered equal for true, or equal in price, which design do you prefer and why? Oh my god. This is such a tough question.

And when I saw it in our, like, ask the ask the question on Instagram, I was, like, dreading having to answer it because I really do like them both for different reasons, and I could pitch myself either of them.

If I was trying to sell myself to purchase or or to just pick one, I I could go with either.

That being said, I think this question sparks a lot of ideas about the guidelines and rules that collectors impose on themselves to justify their their collections.

And so what I mean by that is I saw a lot of discussion about where this card falls in the set. So the the one where she's, like, posing for or she's getting up for a shot is number 22, I believe, in the checklist.

Whereas the variation with the photo shoot background is later in the set and it's appears in, like, 100 and something.

One forty five. One 40 five. Thank you. And I think that that that is something to consider, but, like, that's not necessarily what my collection that's not how I define my collection. I don't care what number in the set a card is.

But that doesn't matter to me at all. That's just, where it got printed, which some people I know, like you, set rules for your collection where if there's different levels, like in select, you go with the first appearance.

Right? So I understand the weight there, and I simply don't care.

I that has no bearing on my collection. When I'm looking at a card that says there are two different two different photos, there's no indication of a variation, which I think is a huge difference.

If that one said had a little v on it and the when you got it graded, it said variation, I would 100% go with the true.

Like, not even close. But the fact that this is being marketed and advertised and shown as just two options for a collector, I go objectively with which one I prefer aesthetically.

I like oh, I can't believe I'm saying this. I like the photo shoot version one more because the shine looks better to me. Now I haven't held one of these in person.

I wish I had the Caitlin Clark golds in hand to compare how they look. But the design of the photo shoot one is so crisp that it almost it it seems shinier to me from the photos and the scans that I've seen.

I also just like the photo of it all. I think looking back on WNBA cards, you know, we were looking at some of these NECA cards or you look back at some of these cards that were developed in the early two thousand, two thousand tens.

Photoshoot cards have been around forever. And they've been a main a main primary, I suppose, pillar of WNBA card collecting is when they get drafted, they get these photos taken or or something like that.

And I think this kind of continues that longevity and that continuity across cards. So I'll say the quote unquote variation one or the higher numbered one where she's kind of posing.

But, you know, I wanna hear your argument because I'm assuming you might you may disagree with me. Maybe not. And just I could be persuaded is what I'm saying. I love how you talked through that.

And this is what I love about it, is that there is no rule book in collecting. Yeah. There is no this one is better than that one because this this this is what this sheet told us or this one person told us.

And I think the debate we've seen online is based on it all being open to interpretation, which I think is good, and it causes debate.

What I've observed, and I think it's what's interesting, is, like, there are some individuals in the space, and we won't mention any names, but they're very adamant one way or the other.

And they're whether it's a this is the first card in the set, so it's this way or it's, I remember, you know, my LeBron rookie, and he's in his suit.

So this, you know, photo shoot photo is the way to do it. And I've seen everything, and it's been crazy.

And I'm like, are we trying to protect something here? That's how, like, definite some individuals have been, which Mhmm. I don't think is ever good. I think you should be open to a bunch of different thoughts and opinions.

Now my decision. So I am going opposite of you, and it's not necessarily because I I think it definitely helps that the the action shot is the first card for me and the fact that it's, you know, jersey number, her card on the back.

I think that's helpful. I'm just I'm so used to Panini in all in the recent years in all of these sports.

Like, I think about the Wimby rookie, and it's just there's it's staged. And I think about these staged photos. And for me, what I know about myself as a collector is I much prefer the action shot over the staged shot.

And I would say this, even if, like, the numbers on the checklist were reversed and the photo shoot came first and the action shot came second, I would I would say I prefer the action shot because that's just what I like to collect.

I like to see the player doing what they're doing as opposed to just standing there. The other thing that I think is very special about the 22 is that I'm a prism simp. I study it all. I've observed all the years.

I've done a show in the Patreon called prism talk where it's all I talk about. But I think everyone complained about WNBA prism taking forever to come out and how we all wanted it during Caitlin Clark's rookie year, which agreed.

Like, we wish we had it. But it afforded the opportunity to have Clark in a real photo from her rookie year being a part of the card, and it's not airbrushed or any of those things.

So that part of it, like, the delay to get the card of her actually playing in a game, I think, has me feel the way I do about it. They're both cool cards, but I'm leaning towards the action shot 22.

I love that shout that you added at the end. That's such a good point. And I think, you know, the the main thing that I wanna underscore about this conversation is what you said about there is no rule book to how you decide this.

This is up to you. This is up to the collector, and I'm not trying to sell you on which one I think should be more valuable or more coveted.

It's just up to the collector. And the fact that we even have a choice is beautiful because I feel like if we only had one, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

It wouldn't spark this kind of conversation. So, yeah, just beautiful cards. And I think one thing that I wanna say here, just add in one more piece of perspective from me.

As most of you know, I don't just collect WNBA cards and a primary part of my collection is Packer cards. And as part of that, I collect Packer Packer rookies gold prisms, but they have to be in their practice uniform.

That's like the antithesis to most collector understanding of gold prisms. So, like, get this shit out of here. I need them on the field in their real uniform.

No. I like them in their shorts with no pads and their helmet on. And so the point the why I'm bringing this up is because you're allowed to have a different preference that goes against the crowd.

You're allowed to collect what you like and not just what some person that you've never met on the Internet says you should like.

And I think that's really the main takeaway from this conversation is you can seek out guidance and advice from people that, you know, you trust and respect their collections.

But, ultimately, it is up to you to make that decision, and both of them are great. So I don't think you can go wrong in this conversation.

So the reason why we're bringing this up is because two of them sold on golden. We had the 22, the action shot, PSA nine sold on golden May twenty second for $63,832, which is a big old price.

And then the variation, which you're right. It is more seeing them side by side, there is more gold. It is more shiny. I I I love I didn't even think about that until I saw this, but very well done.

I I'm looking at it now in the gold version. I'm like, I like it better now. So this is the 20 the the $1. 45 in a PSA eight sold same auction, golden or excuse me.

Let's see here. This one was Fanatics Premier. Sorry. This sold for 29,700. So you've got there's a grade difference there that you have to account for when trying to determine the values.

But I think even if the one forty five was a PSA nine and it matched this based on tracking the sales or whatever, it would still fall underneath the 22.

But regardless, I think it's really cool that we saw both of these, and we could spend some time talking about these two sales side by side.

And not necessarily spend the whole conversation on the sales, but mostly just, like, our opinions about each of the cards from an aesthetics and overall position perspective.

Absolutely. These were fun ones. Just excited to see the market continue to take off. These are strong sales. We didn't talk about the numbers too much, but I'm just always impressed by her market setting the tone for WNBA cards.

Yes. And there's a mailbag question, so we'll we'll talk more Caitlin Clark here in a second. Yeah. Before we get into to that, did you have any pickups that you wanted to to talk about?

I'll I'll start by saying that I don't. I'm I'm on the hunt for what's gonna fit best in my collection, and hopefully, there's some that that surface soon that I need. Yes. I did have a pickup. Not ready to talk about it.

I bought it, on eBay. When it comes back in hand, I will share. The fun part about this pickup was it was a raw card pickup on eBay, little little little back and forth negotiating, and I purchased PSA grading on eBay.

Like, it's an off I checked the box, and so the card went from the eBay of it all to PSA, and it's being it shipped to PSA now, and it's gonna be great and then returned to my my home.

So, it's fun. Like, I I'm glad I didn't have to, like, go to the post office and do it myself.

It's like that's a PSA and eBay are both partners of stacking slabs, and I truly mean, like, that elimination of that workflow into making a purchase degrading seamless, especially on this card, which I'm really excited about, is is a big deal, for me, and I hope for other collectors who like to buy cards on eBay and grade cards with PSA.

So more to come there when it lands It's fair. Yes. Cliffhanger. Totally. It's a WNBA card, obviously, and, it's a parallel that I like and talk about a lot.

So there's a little teaser. Oh, well, I can't wait to see what that's about. Alright. Let's move into my favorite segment every week, which is the collector spotlight segment.

Brett's gonna share his screen here, but our our Instagram user that we're highlighting this week is Brian at rip underscore n underscore flip underscore wax.

Brian has an incredible collection, not only of WNBA cards, but other sports highlighting women's sports as well. Brett is scrolling through his page. Here we go. I see why I see why Brian was picked.

Brett is showing a twenty twenty prism, the piece of color gold prism out of 10 and a PSA nine holder, the highest grade of this card that exists. Obviously, this caught my eye, but I've been following Brian for a while.

As we scroll through his page, you'll notice there's all sorts of stuff going on. In addition to WNBA, there's some women's soccer, some Disney, some other fun stuff, lots of Ginter, soccer collector.

Showed at WNBA, Nafissa Collier, Galactus. Please don't advertise that more. I gotta log that out of Brian's hands. But super cool stuff. Would urge people to take a scroll.

This feels like a mini museum of sorts. You what. I I freaking look at this. There we go. It's you don't like, I don't I don't ever really see a page that, like, you do the scroll and it's literally all female athletes.

Like, you just don't you don't see that. Right? Because it's you for a million different you just don't see it, but, like, you see it in this page, and I think that is is super cool.

Let's let's talk about this this, post that Brett's got pulled up. This isn't it. Guys, you gotta go check this out.

This isn't this is 2020 prism run of d t. I think it's everything minus the one of one, it looks like. So we got the black, gold, the golds, all graded by PSA all in one group photo. Just this is, like, absurd insane stuff.

So I know this isn't the only group picture of the this caliber of cards on Brian's page. So I encourage everybody to take a look. I know that he's also on eBay and has a lot of really sick WNBA cards for sale.

So, when we talk about, you know, availability and amplifying people that are selling WNBA cards, this is somebody, who's online and and brokering those kinds of deals for sure.

Yeah. And so there are a lot of now I'm connecting the dots here, Caitlin, especially as you said that I have a lot a lot of cards, that Brian has on his eBay store on my watch list, but they're, like, some of the best cards, and Yeah.

Those aren't cheap. So there there's a reason why I haven't just, like, outright bought them, but, just an incredible collection.

Everyone go follow rip and flip wax. Very impressive page. Absolutely. Alright. Are we ready ready to close out episode eight with some buzzer beaters from the audience?

I say it's time. Alright. We're we're gonna try to get through as many as we can recognizing the time and also recognizing that a lot of questions were submitted.

So if you don't hear yours, just know we saw it and and hopefully we'll be able to include it in another another episode.

But let's start, with oh, okay. We're gonna start with For The Shoe 28. This is Andrew, I think. He has starter set, player PC or team collecting, assuming your player PC is different than the team that you're collecting.

This is tough. I would say, generally, it is would be team first for me in almost everything, but I for whatever reason, WNBA is the other way.

Like, I think it's there are so many different players in the league that I like that I would rather collect those players than exclusively collect my team, the Indiana Fever.

What about you? It's tough. I initially thought about this as, god forbid, Nephesa Collier wasn't on the Minnesota Lynx. Would I collect what would I prefer?

Prefer? And I I think I'm with you. I think I'd go with the player. I think I'd go with Nafisa Collier even if she wasn't on the link. So that's a tough one. I don't like going against my team hardly ever.

And like Brett said, that's different than what I do in other lanes, which is just more proof of the fact that you can do whatever you want in collecting. It's totally up to you, and there's no rules.

So, yeah, I think I think I'd go with with player over team as well. Okay. Let's move on to the next one. At mike k underscore sports cards asked, if you each had to choose one retired player to PC, who would it be?

And I'll add, maybe why would you do that? So when I I first saw this question, my mind immediately went to Terasi or Sue Bird, and I started to think about it.

And then I kinda put those on ice for a second, and I changed it up. And I'm going to say Tamika Catchings. And a big reason for that is Tamika Catchings is a is a hero here.

She won a championship. What's crazy and I haven't it's been we're on the eighth episode and haven't mentioned this, but, Tamika has a block away from my house. She's got a tea shop literally on the corner of my street.

And I'm fortunate enough that the legend, Ketch, herself loves to go on midday walks. So I will be sitting here doing recording, having these conversations, and I'll look out of my office window.

And Tamika Catchings will just be on a lovely stroll, and it just still blows my mind that I get to see a legend of her caliber just walking through my neighborhood on a frequent basis.

The first time this happened, I was getting my shoes on.

I was going for a walk myself, and I walked out the front door. And Tamika was directly on the other side of the street across the street from me, and, I looked and I, like, froze.

And she looked at me and waved and smiled, and I was like, I look I must have looked like I saw saw a ghost. So, yeah. It's there's a connection there.

Also too, if I just collected Tamika Catchings, it would force me to, collect those products that I'm not collecting now as opposed to collecting a terrazzie or bird who are in those products, but then they're also just newer stuff.

So I'm sure I would be more focused on the newer stuff. What about you? Oh, first of all, I just wanna say great pick. Very impressed by Tamika Catching Shout.

That's such a good pick. My pick would be Maya Moore. And the reason for that is the fact that well, first of all, the fact that we haven't talked about Tamika Catching's or Maya Moore in-depth on this podcast, we need to do better.

I almost I almost I almost brought up Maya Moore when we were talking about your links in, how they're five and o. She came to my head, and I just didn't get it out.

But we're glad we're talking about her here. We're making our way there, which is, I guess, my why for Maya Moore is just the fact talk about somebody who is an affordable player in collecting. I'll I'll I'm just gonna say it, guys.

I think Maya Moore is the best she would have been the best player to ever play the sport of basketball if she continued playing. And, you know, do with that what you will, argue with the wall, but that's my take.

She was one of one. She was before her time in every aspect of the game and off the floor, just an incredible player who played for my team no less, which really adds on to it.

She led a dynasty which is almost unheard of in w m in the WNBA and just has awesome cards as well similar to Brett's point.

While MileMore exists in products that are coming out still today, they are not, like, playing yours. So I would be forced to go back in retrospect and look at those other products. So that would be my pick. I I love it.

Because should should we do one more before we get out of here? Yeah. I think so. And and do you mind if I choose which one it is? I'm I'm interested. There's there's one that I really want. Okay. I'll let I'll let you defer.

I'm deferring to you. I'm gonna go with the one that I was most excited to answer this week, which is from at m j s underscore sports cards. What is the triple logo woman that would make the hobby go bonkers?

And I'll add to this one. If you wanna answer alternatively, it would be what would your dream triple logo woman be? Okay. So you picked the question that I wanted you to pick, so well done.

And I think maybe the inspiration is coming off the heels of this triple logo man that sold on Fanatics Premier that has Wimby, Jokic, and LeBron on it, and that sold for $348,000, May 23.

So I'm I'm assuming that's where this inspo is coming from. I I wanna go with the hobby would go nuts. And so my this is this is the card, Caitlin. The card is you've got and I'm looking at this flawless logo, man.

So you've got I'm visualizing the exact same card, but three WNBA players. Yeah. I'm putting Caitlin Clark on the left side. On the right side, I'm I'm putting Paige Beckers, and in the middle, I'm putting Diana Taurasi.

Oh. And that is that is my card. Game worn. I mean, it's making it's giving me some goose bumps thinking about it, but I think that is a type of card that would go nuclear.

Wow. That is a choice. I'll say this. I love that. I wish it existed. And when you're talking, I was looking at my little my hotel notes here. You can see who I've got right here.

Okay. Yeah. Is very similar, but it goes Caitlin Clark, Paige Beckers, h Wilson instead. Yes. Which I don't know. Now that you say DT, I I also had DT crossed out. So we were on the same the same plane there. But Yeah.

I we just I think this is something the hobby needs If, these, like, logo women's, especially if they're game worn, if we could get more than one player on there, they would absolutely break the Internet in the collecting community for sure.

No doubt.

We went we went Broadway today, Caitlin, and I know, you're you're, running on fumes from your business trip and doing it early. I just wanna say, let's plug this WNBA card pod. That page is growing, and it's the place for questions.

So, make sure you give us a follow, on Instagram. But this was this was fun. I felt like you were you you delivered a awesome episode, Caitlin, and just appreciate you, making it happen on the road.

Yeah. I appreciate everybody sticking with me. This is pre coffee Caitlin at 6AM in in California. So thanks for making it all the way here, and appreciate you guys. We'll see you next week.