what's going on everybody welcome back to episode two here of the one of one sports card show here on the stacking slabs network last week if you didn't get a chance i put the pilot episode for the one of one sports card show here on stacking slabs into the universe the intention of it was to create something that i would wanna hear as a consumer of sports card content and media in the space part of that was my own collecting evolution my desire to hunt more rare and scarce cards that excite me also this viewpoint of one of ones are a growing category and i do believe that i believe they are a category in and of itself and whenever you have a category that interests me typically i try to find some way to make content out of it so i put it out there let's see what happens at minimum it is going to be something that i enjoy that i created and then i got the feedback and man i gotta say this i have not received that sort of feedback on stacking slabs' content or anything new that i've created quite at the level of that pilot episode and that to me is a good signal it excites me that so many of you out there were motivated enough not to just listen to the episode but to provide feedback and i take that seriously i take your time consuming content on the stacking slabs network seriously there is so many different options of content that you can consume on a daily basis and the fact that so many of you consumed that debut or i guess i shouldn't say debut pilot episode i'll continue to say was encouraging but then to not only consume it but to take it one step further and give me some sort of thoughts and directions and feedback on the episode it was really encouraging it helped let me know that there is an appetite for content there's a relationship here with content i wanna create stuff that i'm passionate about but at the other end there's a member of the audience and you have to wanna consume it so i say that to say i'm here again week two and i'm doing another episode so we'll see where this goes i think maybe another piece of information that might be beneficial for you the member of the audience is to maybe understand and i won't go too deep in this because i could probably create an entire episode on just this topic but i get this question a lot and it's good timing with this pilot and the follow-up to the pilot of the one of one sports card show on the stacking subs network out in the open but people ask me all the time like how do these shows get created there's a few different ways that these shows get created i think there is this way of for this concept where i've got this idea something that i would love to hear from somebody else in this space and no one's doing it so i take it upon myself to explore with a goal of creating value to get feedback and then hopefully eventually there's enough value in feedback that a sponsor comes along whether it's me being proactive reaching out and having those conversations with sponsors or it's someone coming inbound to me saying hey i've been hearing the show i wanna attach our brand to it that is one way an example of this is just the hobbyjobs platform on the stacking slabs network being a business builder in the space wanting more content for industry professionals me taking it upon myself to say i want this i'm an industry professional i've got time for this and then eventually bcw supplies and i worked out a relationship where they're sponsoring the show so that that's one one way then there is another way which is there's a cutting room floor of probably dozens i think dozens is a good way to describe dozens of concepts that i have created and pitched to brands because i'm interested in the subject and i think a brand should be interested in it too and these are the shows that maybe never went anywhere for the most part or they did get created but there's a lot more files on my google drive with these sorts of concepts that just never got off the ground so that's one way and then another way is like just getting continuous feedback from members of specific pockets and communities and saying hey we want a show on x and obviously i have to have some sort of interest in order to create those shows but like you know football card podcast is a perfect example surrounded by football card collectors in my community john good friend aka pack nicholson wanting to do collaboration talking through the concept and then bringing it to life so there's a lot of different ways that shows get created here and i just thought maybe like a quick aside to talk about that but we're here to talk about one of ones last week we talked about the draymond green gold vinyl optic we talked about the kobe flawless logo men two cards that i probably would have never have talked about if it wasn't for this and so today we're gonna go through some other sales and some recent cards that i picked up and we'll just get on with our merry way so the first card is a card i'm actually holding in hand and it's been referenced probably i buy cards and i don't talk about them nearly as much as this one but i think the fact that this card was purchased while i was in the middle of having a content conversation was kinda it it's made me hold held me accountable to like dig in and talk about this card a little bit more but the card i got in hand today is the two thousand five topps turkey red philip rivers wood border one of one card number two fifty seven i bought it raw and if you've listened to me for a while you know i like philip rivers and by the way congratulations philip rivers the brand new head coach at his alma mater north carolina state when is this movie gonna come out on rivers man he is he is kinda like the forrest gump of football in a way but you know i bought philip rivers cards over the years i've talked a lot about how i couldn't stand the guy and then he joined my team and then it gave me an appreciation for rivers and so he is one of those guys that i really like i think his cards are affordable and i like to kinda keep a pulse on what cards are available this card came up while i was just going through random one of one ebay searches and i didn't have this card on any list i have not spent years trying to find it i just saw the card and it stopped me from scrolling so i'm looking at the card and i'll describe it a little bit it's a portrait rivers has his helmet off and he is looking right at you he's got his white chargers jersey on and the wood border looks like it belongs around the image and down at the bottom you'll see it just says rivers in san diego and you can take in the whole card in a short amount of time but then you start looking at the details of the card what is captivating to me and what's what's captivating to me in the research of this card so you can recognize the turkey red name from baseball and i knew there was connection with tobacco cards i knew a whole lot less about how it got into football and i wanted to figure out where this card sat before i gave it the money that i set aside for it so the year was my first question because when i see two thousand five football the first player that i think about is aaron rodgers i also think of like two thousand five i know we get into the finest sets and an affinity for for those and you know the dawn of super fractures but i don't think of two thousand five broadly as like a very fond year football card that's just my opinion but for rivers in this card it's his second season and going into his second season he was still behind drew brees in san diego and he had appeared in games but had didn't really take over a starter until two thousand six and we know how much football that philip rivers went on to play he played so much football in fact that he was the starting quarterback for the indianapolis colts last year for a game which i'm still kinda trying to figure out if that was real life or not for me i'm used to seeing rivers as the guy who's been out there for years talking everyone talking to everyone in between plays and kinda is that veteran but like when i look at this card it was captivating to me because it really looks like he is that young quarterback looking for his chance and there's something about like it's not a rookie card it's close but there's something that i find very interesting about these early days cards of the players where you can see image of them before they became who they were and i think a lot of you who collect rookie cards and early set cards feel that way but that was like one intriguing factor and then i began to look at the set so two thousand five issue was the first standalone topps turkey red football release and as a studier of sports cards like the first year of anything is important pops followed this with the two thousand six football set and so there's two stand alone releases and i knew the turkey name before i saw the card and i had no idea that the stand alone run was that short i will say i am looking this up right now because i did get a dm when i started talking about this and i'll refrain from saying the user just in case they don't want their name disclosed but i got feedback on this when i first started talking about this card said hey man was listening to your cardholder confidential episode and i just wanted to mention that topps brought turkey red back in two thousand twelve two thousand thirteen and two thousand fourteen as well for football it was just one pack box style format opposed to a traditional hobby box so that is something even in my own research i think i saw a nugget about that but it was i just disregarded it but i think if we're talking about the full context of turkey red like while this is the first and there was a follow-up set there was other releases that happened after that so this is why i love feedback from the audience i can't get everything right and so when you have a passionate collector who hits you up and says hey actually like here's some information you might have left out that was certainly helpful another thing like to note on this is digging into the research and i always do this but trying to understand parallel structure so you have a base card that was red white and black border version then there's a gold version numbered to fifty and then there's a wood number which is this one numbered to one there are other parts of the product to collect and for this image and the card number the latter for me is easy to follow and the wood changes the way you look at it and you can see the set like if you lay them all out i think that was something attractive to me that we've got like a wood border which is the identifiable trait to signal that it's a one of one those are the sorts of details as a one of one fan and collector that i've come to really care about if i find a card i like and there's four one of ones with the same image i wanna see all four i might find that the one in front of me is the one i pick i might find that the one with a different border might be one that i like and is still out there somewhere and so it i might not buy the one that's available but it gets me to go chase a card and have a chase on my list i think one of the other things for me is that the price point of this card was certainly attractive to me wasn't thousands of dollars but it was kind of right within my wheelhouse of a car that i'm not like prepared to buy that comes available that i'm interested in so you know i had all these thoughts the research i favored the car when i woke up kept thinking about it was having the conversation real time with chris and josh and i bought the car for six hundred and seventy five dollars i don't know if like my intention going into that episode was like i'm gonna talk with chris and josh about it and see what they have to say or just bringing it up is therapeutic in a way where i don't know you get to hear other collectors' perspectives and so i was right on the edge and i think bringing it up in an episode helped give me the peace of mind that this was a card that i really wanted to own we all go through these kind of moments with cards that stop the scroll that we're not waiting for and i think asking yourself like the question that i ask myself and usually is the point where i either buy the card or forget about it is if the card goes away tonight what am i going to wish afterwards am i gonna wish that i bought it am i going to wish that i focused on another card and i think that is a good way to kinda determine if this is a card that you really want or not and i think for me i'll say like i wasn't sure that like letting it sit out there somebody else would have like come to the same determination i wasn't scared that someone was gonna grab it but i think i had this moment based on the price point and based on me investing time into the research process that led me to believe that you know what like this is going to be a card i'm going to be really upset passing on if i don't pick it up so i picked it up and i've got it in my hand and this will be a card that i eventually send a psa and get graded in a holder it is maybe a little off center looks pretty good though but i don't know we'll see this is a cool card i'm glad i got it now i wasn't expecting to talk about another one of my cards but i bought another one of one last week so this is a good reason to talk about another one of my cards and the other card that i purchased last week was a twenty two twenty three flawless tyrese halliburton platinum one of one in a psa ten it is number two seventy four so this was a card that i had zero idea that it was even available and part of that was platform it was on alt and i am not great at checking alts on a regular basis or every thursday night i'll see cards posted i'll get into it and then i'll just like forget about it but i'll tell you this this is the best part about like buying a card on a platform now that i have bought a card that i truly love on a specific platform at a specific time like i am going to continue to check back each and every week so it just took this one card for me to change my habits but i would not have known about this card unless an individual didn't send it to me and say hey by the way i've got this card at auction just wanna make sure that you know it's available because i know you collect halliburton and i was very appreciative of it you know why i was appreciative of it because the individual knew my affinity for halliburton knew i collected halliburton and there's so many cards that are up for auction all the time and some of us don't check all the the listings so that was very much appreciated because it is a card that when i saw it and saw the price that it was at i was like i am going to put in a bid and i hope i win this card and with all the way alt does its auctions i knew i wasn't going to stay up so i think i woke up in the middle of the night probably because i have three kids and i always wake up in the middle of the night to either you know respond to someone not being happy or to go to the restroom myself because i'm over the hill and some us old guys have to get up and go to the bathroom in the middle of the night and so when i checked i saw that i had wanted it was a very nice surprise and so vince and i you know paid for the card the next day but i am really excited about this card i think what's interesting about flawless in this card is when we say a flawless one of one i think that can lead collectors to think of a million different things we talked about the logo and autograph last week that card has a signature and a piece of memorabilia that are part of its identity here i'm interested in the gym card in the number based set you have a photo of halliburton in a pacers uniform the flawless design and you've got the gym platinum treatment i think the gyms are cool i'm not crazy about them but i think they're cool but i'm more interested in just the base set one of one of it all in a premium product i think about this every time i see someone post a one of one exquisite card with rainbow foil like those cards rule i'm like these cards are amazing i never hear anyone talk about it i think about in the panini era these base set flawless one of ones and they're intriguing to me i don't really hear too many people talking about it but i'm a base set guy and so i know flawless is flawless because of game worn materials on card autographs you know that signals premium but there's also a base set and i think the base sets are important no matter the product base sets allow for the prime materials the game worn patches the on card autographs you have to have the foundation and i always view no matter what the product is the base set is the foundation and the base set has one of one so i have been thinking a lot about this in my own collecting and this was like the perfect card at the perfect time you can also like the fact that it's a psa ten obviously if it was a psa nine or even a psa seven or psa six i still would have bought the card but the fact that it's a psa ten on top of it was super fascinating and just kinda like icing on the cake i think the other element too is the image like halliburton is wearing a headband on this card and he wore a headband in three games i remember this and i was like why is halliburton wearing a headband and i think he was like waiting to get a haircut before some sort of endorsement deal and i can really find a good reason but i remember this moment of him being kind of on the team deciding to wear a headband i'm like is headband hallie like the way we're gonna roll now and i totally forgot about it until i saw this card and so like it helped trigger a thought and i think that's really fun so again this is a i i did not have the money set aside and i wasn't waiting for this but this card was one of those cards that it was like when i saw it it's my only chance there's probably gonna be somebody else out there i know a fair share of halliburton collectors that might be going after this so i just put my best foot forward and ended up getting that card i'm excited to kinda get it in hand hopefully it lands on my doorstep quicker than some of what i have received from fanatics as of recently but we'll see we'll see i'm excited to get it and i'm i'm sure i'll post it when i do get the card okay let's talk about a couple sales here there was one card based on my research investigation and you might be like i can't believe he's talking about one of these but i found it interesting so the first sale is a hockey card it is the twenty twenty twenty twenty one skybox metal universe connor mcdavid precious metal gems gold one of one in a psa nine the base parallel sold at fanatics collect weekly on november eighth for thirty thousand dollars so here's a sales history for it according to card ladder shout out card ladder on august six twenty twenty two this card sold at golden for twelve thousand five hundred and ninety nine dollars june twenty fifth twenty twenty six slabsharks on ebay sold this card for twelve thousand one hundred and eighty nine dollars then this past sunday fanatics weekly thirty grand the first two prices are four hundred and ten dollars apart with nearly four years in between them if you saw the june sale and thought twelve thousand was the number you needed to have in mind the next time it showed up i understand why then the next reported result came seventeen thousand eight hundred and eleven dollars higher that's roughly two and a half times the june price in less than five months i know it's insane so i wanna sit with the card before we try to explain the jump so when people talk about mcdavid cars and and please forgive me i am not a hockey collector i am a fan of listening to dialogue conversation and so i will try to do my best here but when people talk about mcdavid cars a lot of the conversation starts with his early stuff much like other subjects you've got you hear about his fifteen sixteen young guns or the cup rookie patch autograph and those are two different ways into his rookie catalog if you care about metal universe you can also go to his twenty fifteen twenty sixteen fleer showcase mcdavid has a metal universe rookies insert with pmgs including green to ten and purple to five and i think that matters here you can collect mcdavid in this design family from his rookie year and the twenty twenty twenty twenty one gold represents a different point in his career in life of the brand and i'll say this just as a quick aside these recreations or maybe not recreations these creations these pmgs in gold number one zero one they're fantastic for me i collect this stuff in aew and i adore these pmgs they feel important a one of one gold card is always amazing to me and so i really really enjoy these mcdavid scored a hundred and five points in fifty six games in twenty twenty twenty twenty one that's thirty three goals in seventy two assists it was mcdavid's third art ross trophy he won his sixth in twenty five twenty six if you collect by season there's something there to think about there's a reason to know which year of a card you're looking at even for somebody who wins scoring titles across his career i think a fan can remember how much mcdavid stood out in the shortened season and won a card from it a mcdavid collector can look at the same year and care more about where upper deck put metal universe both are ways to get to this card metal universe means something beyond hockey we all know pmgs have a certain connotation in this space i think it's interesting though and i this is something that i've been paying a lot of attention to there are individuals who think that pmgs start and stop with the ninety stuff there are individuals who look at the retro stuff and say you know what these are recreations they're not for me there's individuals who look at all of it and say this is all great i'm a fan of pmgs i think the precious metal gems brand is very very interesting it's very very interesting past just the ninety stuff i think especially with upper deck who's putting these cards out who has the license of hockey there's a lot to think about here upper deck had already put pmgs in hockey products like twenty twelve twenty thirteen flir retro twenty fifteen twenty sixteen flir showcase then it brought out the stand alone skybox metal universe hockey release for twenty twenty one which came out in september of twenty one the oilers' base mcdavid is number ninety seven the same as his jersey the base pmgs have a red to ninety copies a green with ten and a gold one of one and if you're looking up this sale i think that number matters there's also mcdavid all star card in the same product number one ninety two with its own gold pmg and upper deck lists a gold autograph parallel separately you can search mcdavid gold pmg and you can end up looking at different cards before you even realize it then there's r thirty that's the other gold i wanna spend time with same player same season of the set same oilers uniform same one of one print run it's the gold pmg parallel of the ninety seven ninety eight retro insert the reported sale that i found for that in carlisle was fifty two thousand eight hundred and twenty seven dollars on july second twenty twenty six here's what makes that comparison worth talking about for a lot of us the case for the base is that it carries the identity of the product if somebody asks which mcdavid represents the regular set i can go to number ninety seven the retro gives you a different answer it uses artwork from ninety seven ninety eight basketball and you can see the part of metal universe history that somebody from basketball brings to the card before they know much about hockey and i can see how somebody gets there they spent years looking at those basketball pmgs they see mcdavid against art that resonates from the era and now the thing that they like about the card is the fact that it has a retro design it can be an insert in the checklist and still be a card that comes to the mind when collectors think about this release and gold is part of the modern checklist if the thing you love about those original pmgs is the green foil and the way the first ten in basketball were numbered or green were numbered to ten you might choose differently you might like the green retro more than the gold even though there are ten of them and i'd love to hear somebody make the case with both cards in front of them it would tell me more about their taste than knowing which one has the lowest number on the back of the card look at how many things you can hold steady in this comparison you don't have to argue about which player had the better career or which manufacturer had the license you don't have to decide how much a rookie matters against a veteran you've got two gold one of ones of mcdavid from the same product a design and a checklist placement are enough to make that conversation be a conversation that i think is interesting to hear and i'd spend time with those two images i spent time myself with those two images before i opened up sales history and i wanna be careful a little bit about what the numbers tell me the july retro result is over twenty two thousand dollars higher than the november based result those cards sold months apart the base itself had two reported prices around twelve thousand dollars and then one at thirty thousand dollars and i'd love to know who was bidding on each card what was available that week and how each sale was reported and i don't have those answers and this is the best part about collecting is like this uncertainty and the enigma around sale prices i take the november sale seriously because it's the same card coming back to the market i think i take the june sale seriously for the same reason if the gold comes up again i'm going to want all three results in front of me i'd also like to see what else was available to mcdavid collectors at those times and this is a whole another topic in and of itself it's like one of the most interesting parts about analyzing sales data is to understand context and to understand how many different types of cards of a similar player or a similar category are available at a given time there's only so the buyer pool at the highest end is only so big and we don't talk enough about like the distraction that certain cards can or collectors can have when there's more available inventory during a premier auction or weekly auctions like that's an interesting topic maybe at some other date i'll i'll dig into but you know if you're comparing the base set pmg gold one of one with the retro one of one people will always ask which mcdavid is better and i don't know like i don't know i think you're seeing a huge difference in price i think that retro is really cool because it reminds us of a set from the past but for my money i'm probably taking the base set gold one of one all day because i am a base set simp but anyways interesting thing to think about especially as we move into more one of one conversation and one of ones that are more one of ones in specific sets and i like when i think of that retro one of one mcdavid it's like my question is like do people even consider even though it's an insert do collectors look at it as an insert or do they just look at it as a base set because it reminds them of ninety seven ninety eight metal universe i don't know but these are the things i think about with a one of one show where this can be this whole topic the other sale was a card i was following it was on fanatics weekly and it was the twenty twenty one prism joe montana black finite one of one number sixty he is wearing his iconic san francisco forty niners uniform and the reported sale was twelve thousand dollars there is a lot to think about on this card and this is a card that i'm not sure i was ever gonna bid on it but i was certainly interested in learning about it and you can point to four unsigned flagship based black finites in the checklist there's a twenty nineteen a twenty twenty twenty twenty one and then the twenty twenty four which is in his kansas city chiefs gear there's also a twenty fifteen but we all know that there's no finites in fifteen there's a black polser there's just a little bit of history there i think one of the points of contention maybe with this card is the fact that it is a non playing days card and we have these hard and fast rules about playing days versus non playing days but i think montana is such an interesting subject because he's one of the greatest football players of all time who didn't have cards during this or playing day cards during this proliferated era of sports cards so what are we to do what are we to do if we are collectors who love the shiny stuff the rare and scarce stuff the one of ones are we not supposed to collect montana just because these are post playing day cards i think if you look at michael jordan for instance and look at the rules that his collectors set for his cards there are a lot of high value post playing day jordan cards that command a lot of interest and a lot of attention and my question is why doesn't this maybe why aren't the same rules apply with another all time great like joe montana i mean can you imagine if this were a playing day card i think it would probably go for a lot more than twelve thousand dollars montana played from seventy nine to ninety four just think about the cards that are in that those group of of years you've got his eighty one topps rookie and it gives you a card from the time when the forty niners were becoming the team to remember and there are plenty of ways to collect his career from cards that were issued while he was playing there were more manufacture and more experiments by the time he wore his kansas city chiefs uniform you think about the ninety four finest refractor that's one card that always stands out to me in terms of a montana playing day card but then you get into this conversation well like do you really want his chiefs stuff and i think this is what is interesting about collecting cards we all set aside specific rules but one thing that we know is definitive is that there was no prism during montana's career and if what you want is the highest version of a montana base card in a black finite format his playing days cards can't give you that particular experience so we as collectors have to define rules and set aside like what do we do in this situation and i think for me personally this card is a cool card i i mean up until like the last couple bids when i was like i'm not prepared to bid for this card i was very interested in potentially bidding for it and i didn't go back to the fact that it was a post playing day card of montana the way i thought about it was man this is joe montana one of the greatest ever who we all remember he was a quarterback for the college team that i chair for and he is here a subject on my favorite product of the era and of one of one form like i think when you begin to reason for yourself and set these rules for yourself you begin to kind of rise above some of the existing conversation that maybe gets you to that pushes you away from buying a particular card and and this is the best part about collecting especially one of one collecting it's like we set the rules and that's a lot of fun and so that's what i want this show to be and i can see i'm i was planning on this being like a twenty twenty five minute episode and i can see we're almost hitting forty minutes but i think that's the interesting thing about one of one cards and just collecting in general it's like we have the opportunity right now right now we have the opportunity to buy a card keep the card and enjoy the card hope that based on our instincts and intuition about the card that it will go up in value when it's time for us to sell the card but we kinda make the rules as collectors and i think that's a lot of fun and if i shrink to see and if i observe one of one cards specifically there is so much opportunity to buy cards that you believe in that you wanna be part of your collection that no one else is even thinking about or people forgot about or maybe they never even thought about it and i think that is a lot of fun i appreciate everyone's feedback and opinion from last week's episode inspired me enough to spend forty minutes up here talking about a couple of my recent purchases and two interesting sales that i observed following those cards and just looking through card ladder data is this show something you wanna continue to hear more of in the future what do you think of this episode get at me at stacking slabs would love to hear from you appreciate all your support happy collecting take care talk to you soon