Hello, and welcome to the Football Card Podcast.

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I'm your host, John aka Pack Nicholson, and with me is always Brett, mister stacking slabs himself.

And we're also joined by a very special guest, cofounder of card ladder, Chris Hodge. Chris, Brett, how you guys doing? Guess? I'll let the guest talk first.

Yes. How are you? Ben, it's great to be here preparing to talk about some football, preparing to talk about some football cards and football cards. Let's go. I'll just say that I'm always thrilled, especially when we have a guest.

And I'm feeling really good right now, And it's because something happened that's never happened in my life as a, football fan or as, specifically, a Colts fan where I have this.

We all go through this, and it's if you think that you're not gonna go through this, if you're on a stretch as a fan, you're going to eventually go through it.

But if you suffer the Sunday loss and the Steelers beat my Colts, and it was, you know, I was like, I I tried to come from a place of abundance and be like, we're ahead.

It's okay. But it inevitably, it's your your Monday's not as good, and you're just like, you hit all these road bumps. And usually by, like, Wednesday, maybe sometimes it's Thursday, you get over it, and you're like, you know what?

It's, like, time to for the next game to focus on. Well, for me, like, I was kinda in the the misery zone, and I had the deadline dopamine hit.

Just doing kids' lunches, look at my phone, 35 tax. I was like, what the hell happened? Obviously, the sauce gardener news came out, and, I mean, I've it's just been a, is this really happening?

Like, we're we don't make these moves. So I have been living off of that. And, also, like, on the flip side for everyone's that that's like, oh, the Colts gave up an awful lot.

Two first rounders for that. It's like, we we sure did. But for me as a fan, we never do this, and it's nice to get in a zone where it's like, hey.

Let's just go all in. You're gonna have to play the Chiefs or the Bills, so let's let's load it up. So that's been an excite exciting development for me this week as I'm trying to, look forward.

And final note and you just asked me how I'm doing, so I'm just letting it out. But, final note for me on this is I very much view drafting in the NFL as, scratch off tickets, even in the first round.

We drafted Anthony Richardson fourth overall. Well, how's that going? So my I always place way more value in established than I do in potential, especially in the NFL.

So that's my way of justifying it in my mind, but I'm doing pretty damn good. Shout out to McGrathcars, my brother. He's on a plane probably listening to this, headed to Berlin, Germany to see the Colts, overseas.

So, we've got global listeners and global support, but, excited to be here with Chris and, obviously, you, John, ready to talk football. Can I take, just an observation about this trade really quick, gentlemen? Mhmm.

Please. The Jets win one game by one point, and they say, alright. We gotta get rid of our best defensive player now. We can't too much winning, too much success. We really need to not win another game. Congrats, Brett. It's a steal.

You guys just got even better. The you used all your draft pick rationale, exact same, like, in my file cabinet of excuses and cope and reasoning for anything. The Cleo Mac trade. Bears gave up three firsts, and it's like, alright.

One of those firsts is Cleo Mac, so I'm really only losing two firsts. And then it's like then you're thinking those two firsts are hopefully gonna be high twenties, low thirties picks.

Like, at where the Colts are trending right now, like, those aren't gonna be great value picks. So yeah. I mean, you can come away with it. And then if you're the Jets, it is awesome loading up on first round picks.

But, I I imagine that gave a nice spark, like you said, after a loss to be like, oh, wait. We just loaded up with one of the best defensive backs in the NFL and are in win now mode.

Carley Irsay, making moves. Yep. I'm I'm excited about it. I'm sure that'll come through in the rest of the episode. Let's let's hit it, man. Yeah. Would you trade a loss for a sauce gardener? I I Chris, this is a great question.

I've I've I thought about this. I'm so glad you asked this. And I asked myself this question. If I was sitting there on Sunday watching this game unfold, knowing you're gonna lose this as a Colts fan.

But on the other and you're gonna go seven on seven and two. But on the other side of this, you're getting sauce Gardner. I always take wins, but this is a situation I would have been like, you know what?

Pittsburgh, it's tough. We've won there once in, like, you know, a decade and a half. It's like, I'll take this as an l to get Sauce Gardner on the other side every freaking day of the week. You got Sauce Gardner.

You got Chavarius Ward, getting back from IR, and you got Kenny Moore. And as a starting corner that's the best cornerback room the Colts have ever had by a million miles, and I would argue probably the best cornerback room in the NFL.

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Episode 20. Season two, episode eight twenty. We've left the quarterbacks. Quarterbacks can only be numbers one through 19 in the NFL. So we're done with QBs.

We're now entering defensive backs, running backs, more recently, receivers, tight ends, all of those player anyone can kinda be in any number now, it does seem like, which I did like when there was, like, receivers are in the eighties.

Like, let's let's keep some things pure. But number 20, there were some sneaky good ones in this, crop of players, so I'm excited to hear who jumped out to both of you.

So, Chris, our guest, I'm gonna I'm gonna throw it to you and start with, who jumped out to you as a number 20? Yeah. I had to do some research here. And true to the brand, I simply went to pro football reference. Yep.

Looked up all the twenties, and they allow you to sort them by the year they started wearing 20, the year they stopped wearing 20, or by approximate value, which is football references catch all stat that they use to compare all players across all eras.

And it's literally called approximate value, so it's not in any way a perfect comparison of players, but, it's a cool number that you can use to compare a defensive back to a quarterback or whatever.

And if you sort all the players who wore number 20, and they only give you their approximate value while wearing jersey number 20, which is kind of cool, Barry Sanders has racked up the most approximate value of anybody in a number 20 jersey.

He has an AV of a 149, which is amazing. And so Barry is obvious. Barry, absolute legend on football's how hobby Mount Rushmore, perhaps. I don't know if that's controversial.

I think that's probably safe to say. But number two in AV wearing jersey number 20 was Ronde Barber. Ronde Barber's number 20 or number two in jersey number 20, and he was very close. So Barry has an AV of a 149.

Barber has a 148. Very, very close. And, not only is that great for people wearing jersey number 20, but he's actually seventy third all time in approximate value. So we were talking about sauce Gardner, defensive backs, cornerbacks.

Let's bring Ronde Barber into the discussion who through the through the approximate value analysis, has a case to be a top 75, top 100 NFL player of all time. Barber had three first team all pros, two second team.

And, the thing that really stuck out about him to me is that, he's the brother of Tiki Barber, who is one of five running backs in the five k, five k club, 5,000 rushing yards, 5,000 receiving yards.

I'm sure Bijan will be joining that group soon. Maybe JT. I don't know. JT is more about all on the ground, but, but five guys are in that five k five k club, including Ronde's twin brother, Tiki.

So a little little more defensive back love here for Ronde Barber. Coming in strong on the approximate value. Ronde Barber always like, that Bucks defense was one of the greatest, certainly, of our lifetime and of all time, I would say.

It always felt like for as good as Ronde Barber was, and you just presented all the information to validate that that you had the the the Warren saps, the Simeon Rice's, the John Lynch's, the Derrick Brooks.

Those players for for whatever reason, like, always kinda seem to overshadow, Ronde Barber.

And maybe that's just the nature of what Ronde Barber did and did during that time period where it's like, you know, if you're if you're not talking about them too much, they're probably doing their job alright.

But I always found that fascinating is that, like, Ronde Barber, I've always felt like, John Lynch even.

I don't know if I mentioned him, but, god, that defense was absurd. But, yeah, Ronde Barber, even though he's an all time great, felt like he was underrated on his own team.

I went to look up highest selling Grande card of all time, which is $20. 12. Let us guess. Let us guess. Oh. It's oh, it is a $20. 12 Prizm amount.

I think we're going there. Okay. So it's a $20. 12 Prizm. Oh, give me I'm gonna say it's a gold, and I'm gonna say $3. Gold PSA 10. I'm gonna go under that. Sold in May. $1,815. 25. That's that's remarkable. That's remarkable.

What stood out to me most is I was like, oh, post playing days. I did not realize Ronde played until 2012. Just based on his he was so good on the Super Bowl squad in 2001, 10 interceptions, first team all pro that year.

Or I guess 2002 was a Super Bowl year. But, yeah, I just did not realize he played with Tampa his entire career and lasted until 2012.

He was on that, like, second leg of that team after the Super Bowl. I would not have guessed he had a 2012 Prizm either. And that's what's fun about that checklist is you're like, this guy is in this?

And what's also interesting about that to show the crossover, if you look at, like, the Tampa, team set, well, who's joining him on that team set is Dallas Clark, but in a Buccaneers uniform.

So you get some weird stuff going on if you really study that 2012 checklist, which I really enjoy.

And just a rare player that hit twenty twelve, but also the late nineties sets. I always love there's only a handful, I think, like Tony Gonzalez, Manning. There's only a couple others that have any of the 98 97, I guess.

Ronde has some 90 sevens, but to to last till 2012, that's a great great little run. Ray Lewis. Yeah. Ronde Barber, great call. What about you, Brett? I've gotta go Ed Reed, one of my favorite players defensive players, of all time.

He was a five time first team All Pro, three time second team All Pro. So eight total All Pros defensive player of the year, which we know how I think in you've got Ed Reed.

You've got Gilmore Stephon Gilmore. You got Bob Sander. I mean, there's just there's only so many defensive backs that you can that have won that over the year, obviously. Patrick Sertan, the most recent one, but there's not a mini.

So that elevates him a little bit. And just the it was just the approach when he was on the field. It was like, true center fielder. Like, you throw the ball deep. You throw it up. Like, that dude's gonna come down with it.

So, always very scary to play against. So I'm going to Ed Reed. Yeah. One of the best ever to watch. Every I get served this clip probably once a quarter of, like, Belichick talking about Ed Reed outsmarting Manning.

And, like, Manning's talking about it too. It's like the top 100 conversation or something like that where Ed Reed, like, baited Manning into this interception by, like, doing something that he knew Manning was watching in film.

And then the only time he ever did it different was when the certain look, certain coverage, just the a true chess chess player of the game.

He was awesome. For my number 20, I started thinking of bears, which led me to Thomas Jones, running back for the bears for three seasons, but was part of that Super Bowl squad.

And then looking more into Thomas Jones' stats, Thomas Jones finished his career with 12,614 scrimmage yards and 71 touchdowns, which kinda blew my mind. I did not think he would have numbers like that.

In comparison, Julio Jones' career, thirteen thousand eight sixty six and sixty six touchdowns. Like, very similar scrimmage yards touchdowns numbers, Thomas Jones and Julio Jones, which who would have thought?

But I think that the Thomas Jones factor that was interesting to me is he played on five teams over twelve years. Three years was the longest he was ever with one franchise.

So, you know, not having that ability to really establish yourself with one team, I feel like, does hurt that. Like, you just don't expect those numbers because, of those reasons.

But it just made me think, and this is a constant hobby topic, but why do we like it so much when a player stays with one team for an extended period of time, ideally their whole career?

Like, is it just the completionist of everything where it's, like, it's nice to see one color, one jersey number all the way through?

Just curious what what your thoughts are on as collectors of players who have switched teams, Manning going to the Broncos and, Chris with McCaffrey, more recently, Luca.

And I know it's basketball. But, yeah, just kinda your thoughts on players on same team and why we like it so much.

I think it has to I mean, we all like rarity in sports cards, and I think rarity in ath athletics or professional athletics, to me is is a player playing with this same team his entire career.

It's rare that that happens, especially with the the market and money and all that.

And so I think we as human beings, especially if it's our own team, like, there's some admiration there, of a player staying. And for the long haul, obviously, in the Manning situation, it's not necessarily in his control.

And I'm not gonna penalize him for that, but I just think it's just there's we can probably just spend a whole podcast just or not a whole podcast, but a podcast segment just talking about, like, the true greats who remain with their team.

It's just doesn't happen often.

T guys like to keep playing, and oftentimes that means jumping ship. Yeah. I I actually will go to, I think this is, like, almost the chief example of the jersey flip being rejected by the market is Michael Jordan and the Wizards.

You know, had Jordan just came back to the Bulls, and he had o one zero two and o o two zero three playing days Bulls cards.

Those would not be as, quarantined as they are today because they're Wizards cards. In fact, I don't know if anybody would treat them any differently than, like, his nineties cards.

So, you know, it's it's fascinating. I think, like, one thing that I thought about was, like, they're they're, like, I don't like my brain to get scrambled when I look at a card.

And I even feel it a little bit with Luca or McCaffrey, both of whom I think have gone on to better situations.

But, like, when I look at my McCaffrey twenty seventeen Panthers cards, my brain gets scrambled a little bit, and I and I immediately have to start thinking. You know, I have to be be like, yeah.

I remember he was on the Panthers. You know? But now he's on the 40 niners. Remember here, he's in jersey number 22, but now he's in number 23. And I just have to start thinking about all that stuff. You know?

And, and if I don't have to do that thinking, if there's more of a simplicity of the presentation and I can just focus on other aspects of the card that I like more, then, you know, my brain doesn't get, like it's it's an immediate distraction.

You know, it's like an immediate obstacle that I have to overcome when I look at the card.

I have to think through that, and then, okay. Now I can get to enjoying the card. Yep. Our lizard brains, we just want continuity. Just be the same.

Don't make me think too hard. Just Before we move off of this, there's some low hanging fruit that I just as I'm looking at the format and looking at these names and this is wild, and I've never realized it up until this point.

You Chris, you mentioned Ronde Barber. John, you mentioned Thomas Jones.

Both of these players have brothers. Right? Mhmm. Ronde Barber, Tiki Barber, Thomas Jones, Julius Jones, twins. Right? Both of those these sets were twenty and twenty one were the numbers that they used.

So I've never you've got two sets of brothers, both 20, both 21, playing around the same time, and I've never really pieced that all together up until right now. Wow. Yeah.

Twins. Something. But wasn't Thomas Jones are you sure? Thomas Jones and Julius Jones were twins? They're brothers. They're brothers. Okay. But, yes, the bloodline runs deep on the football card pod. We're always finding new layers.

I went to look at who had a higher AV, Ronde or Tiki. Who do you think? Ronde? Yeah. Ronde. Ronde edged him out. I was thinking, like, twins, like, similar career spans. What if they had the same AV? Wouldn't that be insane?

But but Ronde edges him out. Yeah. But Tiki was no slouch, man. That dude had over 10,000 rushing yards, over 5,000 receiving yards, and he has a first team. Yeah. Late in his career too. And he's not even he's not in the hall.

He's one that I think is high on the there's a lot of there's a queue of running backs from that era waiting to get in, and I do think Tiki will will one day. Alright. Like the golden age of the RB. It was.

Truly was. We're getting back there, though. I'm loving loving my index. Are we gonna have are we gonna have a powwow here about, our three RBs, JT, Bijan, and C Mac. I mean, like, these are your three fantasy leaders at the position.

Like, I just I'm excited. Like, Captain Planet Unite. Yeah. We get the we get the head to head matchup with, Bijan and JT in Berlin this Sunday, so that'll be fun. That will be. I know.

I was thinking, like, did we need to just do a special episode where each of us brings forth our arguments for best running back, best fantasy running back, and, just puts our pitch down and lets our the jury of our peers decide.

We should we should well, if we're gonna do that, we should have done that not this week after, you know, the offensive lines performance, but we'll maybe next week. Brett's like, hold on, man. We can't.

We're throwing out this Pittsburgh game. Yeah. But I hear you. That is what I love about the some of those early two thousands guys I collect is because, like, to do it over a full season isn't is so hard to, like, maintain that pace.

Not saying JT's done or anything, but just, like, even that one setback week, all of a sudden, it's, like, it's gonna be a little tougher to Mhmm.

Break LT's record. It just makes LT's record more and more impressive is what I'm saying. But, and that also I have to shout out CMC because he seems to do it every week.

So so does JT. I mean, just one off week for JT is nothing. But every week, I look at CMC's box scores too or just see it in a fantasy matchup, and I'm like, damn.

10 catches? Like, he's just all he's such a he gets so many catches. This is this is why the running sauce. This is why the running back is not a premium position.

It's because if your offensive line has a bad game, it is nearly impossible to have a good game as a running back. And a Colts offensive line got just pummeled by the defensive line, which causes JT to not be able to do anything.

Unless you're like a McCaffrey, and you you also have the element where you can catch balls out of the backfield that might help.

But this I love running backs, but this week was like, this is why it's not a premium position is because it's they're not fully in control of their destiny.

Yeah. For sure. We did a little, like, RB historical revisionism too in the positive sense of that word.

Like, going back and actually, like, updating history to reflect what RBs have accomplished because, like, you know, I I obviously wasn't watching football in the sixties, but I've done research to find that Leroy Kelly, who took the baton from Jim Brown, he has three RB one seasons when we retroactively calculate fantasy points per game.

Jim Brown had three too. Now Jim Brown got three MVPs, and Leroy Kelly didn't, but he got first teams. And he literally just stepped into his place on those Browns teams.

So, you know, there's, like, there's, like, these hidden gems out there. Priest Holmes is a hidden gem too. Like, Pack opens my eyes to him. You know? Because, like, he just doesn't for whatever reason, he doesn't get discussed.

I actually love players who don't get discussed. Mhmm. That is just my sweet spot of all sweet spots is when you've got a guy who has this statistical resume that just will knock your socks off and nobody ever talks about him.

Oh, I love that. I love that. How did the how did the Yokich, thing work out for you doing that? Exactly. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Love love guys who live in that lane.

And, like, there are RBs like Leroy Kelly, like Priest Holmes who sort of live in this world where it's like they're just waiting to be discovered. They're just unpolished diamonds waiting to be discovered.

There there is a a knock on Priest Holmes that I've just seen as a consumer of all Priest content of and it's similar to the Jim Brown example where Priests' home successor stepped in and had great success, Larry Johnson, and then Jamal Charles wasn't right after that.

But there's then the narrative of, oh, the offensive line was awesome, which then discounts Priest's accomplishments.

Because they're like, look. As soon as Priest left, Larry Johnson stepped in, and Larry Johnson put together back to back historic seasons.

So maybe that is what's hurting our boy, Leroy Kelly. But, yeah, Leroy Kelly has a pro football page that I love looking at. Three straight three straight first team all pros. A lot of black ink as you say. A lot of bold ink.

A lot of bold. It's a good page. Consistent bold. But the three straight first team all pros, that is a rare that's rare air. I know Priest did it, but I think it's Sanders and Emmett, Charles Davis too, but and Leroy Kelly.

I think it's a small Maybe Marshall. Maybe yeah. Yeah. Marshall Faulk's run, also, which people never really wanna or not never wanna talk about.

But I think when you think of Faulk on the Colts, you don't think of him as prolific as he was on the Rams. But his last year in Indy, that '98 season, he had 2,200 scrimmage yards, 10 touchdowns.

That was a monster year with Manning. Yeah. 86 catches. He was a baller. Alright. We have a lot to cover, but nothing as important as talking about a new release that is coming out sponsored by our good friends at Haystack.

Yes. Shout out Haystack for sponsoring the new release segment. We are talking about which there there is a countdown clock when I looked up this product on website, which was, like, three hours.

So this thing this box of, twenty twenty five certified is, like, on sale now as we record this. So it's fun to cover a product that is, being released the time of recording.

Certified. Certified is a set and a product that I absolutely love. Its legacy goes all the way back to 1995, and you will find certified product available every year since 1995 till today, except for 2001 and 2013.

Could not find any certified product. If I'm wrong on that, you let me know. I'm doing my own research. But what's fun about certified is that it spans manufacturers, and so we'll do a little brief tour here.

We've got select certified 9596, Pinnacle certified '97, Leaf certified with a hell of a run, which produced many great memorabilia and autograph stuff.

Stuff that we still see in Panini products today that came from that era '99 to o eight, Donra certified o nine, and then Panini certified from '10 to '25.

So certified has a lineage and legacy, which typically for me is, like, one of the most important things in order to, like, make the move to collect a certain product.

The 2025 installment, which will be the last produced under the Panini banner in the way we see cards today, which this will now it's got me thinking.

It's like, is it going to be continued to be produced unlicensed? Is it gonna be a brand someone else picks up? I don't know.

Only time will tell. But this product has a big base card set, 242. In a box, you get two autos, two memorabilias. One thing that should be noted, we hear news all the time, and you're like, how does this impact new products?

There was a press release. I should have looked this up, but not too long ago, about Patrick Mahomes and Panini signing a deal with for autographs.

Well, you're going to see that come to light in a product like certified, which I haven't even seen this really publicized.

But you have got a Patrick Mahomes autograph chase in this product, and it is commemorating his forty one touchdown two thousand and twenty two MVP season, which we love cards that represent moments in time, and so there's a cool Patrick Mahomes chase in this product.

Final note for me before I kick it over to you guys for a question is the mere black one of one and the mere black first off the line one of one are two of my favorite parallels of this Panini era.

The first off the line is a newer edition. You could it's the aesthetics where you've got the, Don Russ laze think the Don Russ laser approach in black versus just the standard black mirror.

But I'm telling you what, if if if two of those cards are popping up, of kind of anybody in the Colts world that I collect, I'm probably going after them. Most specifically, because I'm not paying Prizm prices.

You're per saying a paying a percentage of that. But, yeah, certified is out. Go check it out. Before I dive into the question, I don't know, John or Chris, do you have any remarks on certified? Anything you wanna talk about?

My question is where does totally certified fit in to the family tree? Is that that because those are different. Right? It's totally it's just a different brand, or is it, like, a Bowman's Best to a Bowman?

Yeah. It's an offshoot. I would say it, it would be maybe a part of the certified coaching tree, but not, not as consistent in terms of release and just altogether, a different product.

Although, I'm trying as you as I'm thinking through this, I'm thinking, like, the the the, like, the mere parallel is is something that is consistent that connects the two of those.

But that would be an interesting kind of experiment to, like and I know yeah.

It just had totally certified has had several hiatuses, and it just hasn't been consistent. But I always think about them kind of together, but not completely together, if that makes sense.

Mhmm. I don't know if they've ever overlapped either. I think it, at least under Panini's banner, it's either been certified or totally certified, but I don't know that they overlap.

Or, like, for example, in in basketball recently, like, totally certified had a 2017 release, and then they flipped over to certified for, for, like, a six year run, and then it came back to totally certified now.

And now we have this, like, to it's like like like, Luca, for example, and Shai Gilgeous Alexander in that class, they got their first totally certified releases in twenty twenty four, twenty five.

They had certifieds before, but they got their first TCs for this for this 2425 season.

So I almost it almost seems like it's an either or, and sometimes they and they kinda go Panini sometimes would just go back and forth between the two.

Excellent observation. I think you're accurate as I was trying to, like, go through that in my head. Well, there is a 2014 Panini certified release, which there is a 2014 football.

It's totally certified, and it seems to have similar like, it's got the mirrors. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe we're just uncovering new little lanes for people to go explore.

But, yeah, certain like, I love I love the history of it and that there's that many different manufacturers, but the the brand stays. So that is that is cool to there's a lot to dig there, especially back to the mid nineties.

I mean, that's crazy. Totally certified etching. Certified no etching. Maybe that's a a delineation point. My question, though, is the or yeah. So the 2,000 LEAF certified rookie, Marigold Tom Brady, out of 35 BGS9.

How did I pull this up? Yeah. I pulled this up. Pulling up my trusty card ladder. This sold in September for $93,000, which the in '22, the same copy sold for 120, and we all know 20 those prices.

But, I mean, this is a card. I got a chance to hold one of these at the national. They we had there was several going down at the which is several, which is crazy.

I saw multiple copies of this at the national at the captain's booth. And these cards are just amazing. Like, they really are. I know Brady's in sweatpants, but they're beautiful cards.

Like, got the mirror glow, all the things. So this card obviously is, I would say, considered based on the look, the appeal, the print run to be one of Tom Brady's best rookie cards.

How important do you guys think having, like, a tent pole sale like this Brady card for a brand that's been as consistent as, certified?

Like, how important is that to you as a collector? You know, is it important at all for you in terms of where you're placing your dollars?

I just kinda wanted to get some perspective when we see a product like this that's not, like, at the top of the conversation, but has big sales? Like, how do you all interpret that in your own collecting?

And maybe we'll start with you, Pac. I mean, it's definitely kinda like a signal of some sorts, where I would see a sale like this and then wonder, like, what's the priest homes of this do?

You know, like, it would make me then apply my own collecting lens or or just add this as a set to watch and look if my guys have cards in it.

And then, like, yeah, start the whole process of, oh, yeah. It turns out that my guy is in here, and he's the ratio of him to Brady is way, way, way less than other sets. And so maybe this is something to look into.

Because I do feel like with a lot of early two thousands football, Brady is so far ahead of everyone, obviously, and, like, the rest of the checklist hasn't necessarily caught up, the way that you're seeing Manning catch up now, but in the top tier sets.

And it it maybe hasn't trickled down fully to some of the other sets yet because people haven't just done the research or spent the time.

So, yeah, I think it's always interesting to see something like this and definitely becomes a data point to then inform my collecting.

But yeah. Yeah. I think that's exactly right. I think this is all about the dissemination of information and then how that information provokes people to do things.

So every year for the Super Bowl, especially if there's a team that has a lot of Super Bowl history, take the forty niners as an example.

When they go to the Super Bowl, all of a sudden, we're trotting out Jerry Rice, we're trotting out Joe Montana, we're remembering all these things.

Those two weeks leading up to the Super Bowl stimulate market activity for these guys, for Jerry Rice, for Joe Montana, for the all time great 40 niners because the mechanism is a headline putting this into the mind of me sitting on my couch.

Oh, I've I wonder what, you know, would was Jerry Rice ever in a prison set, you know, or something like that?

And all of a sudden, I start looking stuff up, and it just triggers collecting activity. And this is the same. The mechanism is the same.

This is a headline. If it's if it's a if it's a headline grabbing sale or if it's even just something that stands out in results, that can be enough to do exactly what Pac said and cause people to start looking into things further.

Well well, okay. So certified's cool. Like, does Christian McCaffrey have any certified cards? What do those look like?

And all of a sudden, I'm down a rabbit hole. And then the thing that's fun about research and rabbit holes is the more you research something, almost always the more you want it by the time you're done doing the research.

So it just kind of that's that's when we come out the other side of the of the research rabbit hole, we end up, I think, going and usually we end up going and picking up something and collecting.

But my zag on this is that, is that if if this is this is a a a $93,000 price for a Brady rookie with 35 copies is is, doesn't seem outlandish.

But if we do get, like, an outlandish price on something, then I almost go the other way right now.

I almost say, okay. I let's just this is a cross off. I'm probably not gonna look at this right now. This is not really where opportunity exists for me to build up my collection and get get, get value.

So that that's the like, price, like, price is the number one influencer in the hobby. Price is very powerful, and price almost is too powerful, I think, right now.

I think, I think people are starting to unreflexively think about price and not understand that a price can get set just because two mega bidders are going after something and it doesn't necessarily reflect where the full market demand is.

There's a ton of different ways to deconstruct price. So when prices start getting, like, really outlandish to me, then I actually start looking the other way.

But but this Brady doesn't fall into that bucket. This Brady falls into the bucket of, like, I wanna go see what certified cards Christian McCaffrey has.

I love it. The, wanna shout out, because I was remembering who were the owners, Joaquin live doctor evil and Kevin to captain thirty seven.

I I got to hold both of their they have two of the 35 copies I got to, hang out with for a bit, and cool cards nonetheless.

So shout out Haystack certified. If you're ripping certified, show us any of the big hits at the football card pod. Alright. Moving into MarketWatch. Brett and I were talking, offline.

There was some suggestions from users too of we're always rushing the MarketWatch segment at the very end normally because we've rambled about other pro football reference pages, and it causes us to do a very truncated version of market watch.

So we're gonna give it some room to breathe here in the the middle of the episode.

So, Brett, what are some sales that that have been going down lately? Shout out card ladder for sponsoring the market watch segment, and shout out our fine listeners who are passionate enough to give us feedback.

And we listen, and we agree. So that's why we're changing things up. So we're going with a big sale I didn't see anyone talk about, but we have the 2017 Patrick Mahomes red Prizm PSA 10, which is a pop six.

This bad bull boy sold for best offer on eBay on November 3 for 82,500. This is a pop six. The previous sale was in April '22, so it's only the last time it sold was April 22, sold for 72,000. So it's it's up about 10 k.

What's absolutely bonkers about this scenario is that this week, another copy of this Mahomes sold on eBay. This time in a b g s nine, and I thought I had it up. But this this this copy in a b g s nine sold on Halloween for $26,500.

So first of all, resounding whichever figure you're looking at, but I guess two parter here. What is that this, like, this sale specifically say about, like, this instance of the Mahomes rookie?

In any instances, like, what's your read on that? I'm gonna pitch that back to you. But then also, like, the premium. We we talk about p s PSA 10 premiums.

We're talking about 82,500 to 26,500 in the same week on the same marketplace. So, like, wanted to get your guys' reaction on on this Mahomes color match, I should say, sale. My first I can't believe this isn't a numbered card.

So then that makes me wanna know, like, what the odds were for the reds and all of that. As far as the the the premium, I mean, it makes sense. PSA tens are just kinda in their own universe when it comes to cards like this.

We have a total population of 30. Okay. See, that seems high. $80,000 for that's I mean, I guess that's what that Brady mirror is, if there's 35 copies of that. I don't know. That to me seems like a lot of money for that card.

I think it's a very cool card, and I'm not super in tune to the Mahomes market. I can imagine though that these reds being very rare and, being this the color match makes it very desirable for Mahomes collectors.

I would want one. But Chris is a Mahomes collector, so I'm curious your thoughts. Yeah. So the reds were exclusive to retail. Mhmm. I'm checking, our production. Exclusive, I think.

Sounds right. Sounds right. Yeah. That's I like that win for retail. I mean, you're always I feel like hobby always gets the the the love or or first off the line, it's like, oh, there's all the exclusives, but shout out retail.

Blues, Walmart, reds, Target. Sounds right. And and that makes sense. Right? The branding of it.

Right? So this is a Target card? This is a Target parallel? Well, I'm gonna let you go, but I just wanna put some more context on here. So in October 25, the red power, which I think is a more attractive card, and there's 49 copies.

A nine five sold for 54 k. So this is, like, you know, a week apart. I personally would much rather have the nine five and the red power than the PSA 10 red, but that's just me.

Yeah. And I like that the red power has the serial number, so you you know that there's 49. And the red power has that select field level checkerboard, which Panini used very sparingly over their reign.

So it's that's cool to see that that checkerboard in the Prizm context. And so I was looking at the total, like, the overall universal pop on the red power, and it's 49, which works out nicely.

49. It's numbered to 49, and the universal population across PSA, BGS, CGC, and SGC is 49. The universal population for the red is, 30. Wow.

So if, if we can use universal pops to sort of approximate how many retail reds there might be, If if their relationship is one to one, basically, then, like, maybe there's 30 of these or less even because I'm sure there's been a lot of crossover attempts.

But, also, maybe there's more of these sitting in retail boxes and warehouses somewhere.

So, you know, it's a double edged sword. But, but, yeah, I mean, the rarity I think putting the rarity on par with the Red Power sounds probably about right.

And I don't know how to evaluate that PSA 10 sale exactly just because a BGS nine five sold for $40 in December, and the market is up a lot since then.

And there usually is, like, a two x multiplier enjoyed on a PSA 10 to a BGS nine five, so that might have even been a little bit low. I don't I don't know. I I just think it looks great.

It's not one that I would collect, and that's not a knock on it. It's just it's not what I like, but I think it looks fantastic. It's you know, and then you line up the red PSA label with it too. It starts to be pretty pretty awesome.

If I'm sitting on a case of twenty seventeen Prizm retail blasters from Target, you better believe I'm going hanging up this call and going to rip them all down, hunting for one of these things at this point.

Alright. Good chat on that. Another one. This I didn't even know this card was available, but here we are.

The twenty twenty National Treasures Jonathan Taylor platinum shield one of one, sold on eBay for 15 k, 11/01/2025. This is a PSA eight. A little, best offer been smashed one of the two.

You know, I look at this card, and, obviously, like, based on the rankings of people and cards and sets, people would place this card very high, maybe as Jonathan Taylor's best card or one of his best cards.

I I personally wouldn't because I do not like National Treasures, but that's just one man's opinion.

What I what I wanna understand from your perspective is the justification of the cost of a card like this in this era when we know that the memorabilia is unworn.

So you've got a great player like Taylor, a one of one, a shield one of one out of a premium product, checking all the boxes for a majority of the collector base, but then the memorabilia itself falls in this time period where Panini and the mem side was, like, all time low, and we're cracking jokes about Dick's Sporting Goods patches in these things.

But I just wanted to open it up for your guys' perspective on any comments you wanna make about the card, but mostly interested in learning about just, like, your thoughts on the unworn nature of, like, this last lap of national treasures for Panini.

I I like player worn at least player worn. And I like when there's lore to the patch when it's not just like, oh, this was If it was player worn or more specifically at, like, a rookie premier event, I think that's always awesome.

Because again, it's like, okay, this was used for a specific thing that the player wore.

When it's just not related to anything, I just imagine a giant sheet of fabric with hundreds of these logos just plastered on it that they just cut out, and that image to me isn't as exciting as the player I collect actually wearing said logo.

So I feel like we've talked about Game Warner or not before, but, yeah, just totally not related to anything. Just it's hard for me to really want a card like that, just for my personal collecting.

But, at least, like, rookie premier, give me that they wore it somewhere, I think adds to the the lore of a card. Yeah. I agree. I think that's important context that has to be applied when shield NT Shields, NT Patch Autos period.

When they're coming from the Dick's Sporting Goods era, they're not really comparable to, they're not fully comparable to patch autos and shields of players who had pieces from the rookie photoshoot used.

And I I love I I think the rookie photoshoot element is, is overlooked that, that that's a that's a one off event that will never happen again.

And it's one time when all of these very promising professional or soon to be professional athletes gather, and they do it strictly for the purpose of providing us with cards and memorabilia and photos and pieces like this and signing things.

And, you know, it's all done, specifically. It's an it's it's a true sports card industry event. So I just I think it's a really special thing that, doesn't that that isn't fully always acknowledged.

Like, oh, it's just player worn. Well, not quite. Yes. It's only player worn. It wasn't worn in a game, but if you're asking me, what do I think has more novelty? What do I think is more special?

A piece that came from the rookie photo shoot premier event or a Christian McCaffrey card in a game during his rookie season where he ran for 17 yards and played eight snaps, I'm going with the rookie premier photoshoot.

Just me. So, I think I think that's a more special event.

But, obviously, then if we get to the level of, like, analyzing Super Bowl patches or, you know, like, a a McCaffrey patch from a Super Bowl when he played in the Super Bowl, I think that's more special than the rookie photo shoot.

But there are tiers to this, and I think the rookie photo shoot is more special than just kind of a a, well, a game where he didn't do much or had a poor game.

So but, anyway, this this Taylor, I think his just to make a comment on the aesthetics, I think his autograph placement is fantastic.

And the blue of the ink and the way it lines up with the Colts blue of the foil that adorns the card, I think the visual presentation of this card is really, really nice.

I think this is this card is a huge status piece for whoever picked it up.

This is the NT Shield autograph. Sure, it's not it's a non affiliated piece, but it comes from the great tradition of the National Treasure Shield autograph one of one. This is the true this is card number 172.

This is the one number to the base set. This is the platinum. This is it. So this is this is status. This is brand premium. This is a beautiful card with a with just the blues are just just eye popping.

I mean, they're just fantastic. So special card. And if this were player worn, from the rookie photoshoot, I think that this this card would've would likely have commanded more.

All great thoughts. Just wanna close this thread out by re recognizing the greatness, and I can't possibly go through everyone of the twenty twenty class and why this sucks that they're also paired with the unworn era.

We've got, you know, Joe Burrow. We've got Justin Herbert.

We've got Tristan Wirfs. We've got C. D. Lam. We've got Justin Jefferson. We've got Jonathan Taylor. We've got, Jalen Hirsch. I mean, the the list goes on and on. This draft class is the best players in the NFL right now.

Like, go look at the draft list. Like, so many of them came from 2020, and it just sucks that there are things like this that we have to, like, navigate. And if they were player one, I think it would be a whole different conversation.

Alright. We're moving over to hey. I just wanna say Chicago Bears fans, after the insanity that you all went through, and I had my one of my best friends is a Bengal season ticket holder.

So he was in on the inside, and he still hasn't texted me back. But after you went through, we had you guys have not, celebrated, as Bears fans.

So wanted one of first, before we move over the card because there's a connection point, how are you feeling right now after that crazy, victory in the jungle? Well, bears are now five and o when I watch at my house.

So just putting that out there. O and three on the games I've been traveling, for work, or there was one weekend we were it's on a family trip. Five and o when I have everything the way I want it. So that means something.

I was almost down very bad. I was, the dark clouds were rolling in over the house. My wife could sense it. She was about to just, like, take my daughter and go to the park without me, and it was probably gonna be necessary.

But they found a way to win. I love Ben Johnson. Everyone is, like, just talking about how bad the Bengals defense is to discredit the Bears still putting up 47 points.

It's like they still had to score 47 points. Yes. That's just because the Bengals are have a bad defense doesn't mean any team can go out there and roll 47 on them.

No one's done yet. That's the exact that's the exact mindset to have. Yeah. I mean, when the Bears dropped 38 on the Cowboys, everyone was like, oh, Cowboys defense is terrible.

And then the Cowboys started winning games, and I don't know. It just seems like no one wants to give Caleb Williams any credit. But that Caleb throw at the end was money.

He had a, you know, very good game. Ben Johnson was in his bag. Colston Loveland finally kinda had his breaking out game. So, no. That was awesome. Went from probably wanting to kill myself and end the season to them winning.

So, yeah, it was a it was a swing. Oh, Chris, that's gonna be hard to top. Do you have any remarks as a Chicago Bears fan wearing, Chicago Bears gear as we're talking about this?

Yeah. So we actually we're trying to synchronize my family who needs to wear what to get wins going, but now I actually found out that it's because Pac watched it at home.

So that I'm a I I can share with all of them that it's not on me anymore because I didn't wear Bears gear one of the days, and we lost.

It's not on me anymore, so I'm good. So I'm glad that's over. Dude, that game that game was really awful because it could have ended just in total joy.

Like, when that that pick six that got called back, you know, that should have been it. That should have been it. And then we just have this blowout win, and it's great.

And instead, you know, we're choking, and then the onside kick doesn't even go go to it doesn't even go 10 yards, but we put our foot on it. And it was just like it's we're just melting down and just the commander's game all over again.

And even still, they had a chance for a Hail Mary at the very end, which was terrifying. But, but, you know, there was a great silver lining that game, and I I think Ben Johnson is excellent.

He's a he's a a really special coach. And the silver lining in that game was we had two rookies who were not slotted for to be starters this season, step into the next man up role and just absolutely thrive.

Two rookies with Manungi who and, and Loveland who both got they each got a game ball from Ben Johnson after the game.

And so to see, like, the young guys step up and have these huge games, Caleb had a terrific game, all things considered.

Hanging 47 points on him, you know, I I had a cousin who was at that game, a Bears fan, who, sent a very, picture that I got cold just looking at how cold he was.

So it was a great win, but it would have been so much better. I mean, it it it was it was misery. It was true misery when it looked like we were about to blow that game, and it was gonna be one of the all time chokes.

And And it was an all time choke, but we just came back and then, you know, managed to do the that that monster touchdown, Caleb de Loveland, but I it was not good, Brett.

It would have been way better. They started blaming me too. They started turning it because I I said we got this in the bag when, we we were up two scores with, like, two minutes left.

I was like, we got this in the bag. They're like, don't say that. And then we went down, and it was looking like it was gonna be on me. No. I was sitting there with the onside kick. I was like, don't mess this up. Don't mess this up.

And my wife had to walk away, and then I just screamed, they messed it up. Like, it's like, of course, they did. It's like and then the even after the touchdown, the seventeen seconds left, that was a very, very long seventeen seconds.

It never felt like it was over until it hit zero. If Flacco would've got that ball into the end zone, they were gonna catch it.

I just know they were 100%. A 100%. I think I think, John, you should be allowed to if you are being called to be on the road, you should be able to get a doctor's note for mental health that you need to not fly out on Sunday.

You gotta be in your confines. I think I if I was the manager, I would approve that.

So you should think about that. Also, a note, though, one of the more interesting divisions that people did not necessarily think was going to be super interesting, is the NFC North. Talk about getting bunched up.

Even at the bottom, you have the the Minnesota Vikings who beat, the Detroit Yeah. This weekend. So that is turning out to be the one of the most competitive division in football, and there's still so much season left.

So I'm not sure there's division that's more up for grabs than that. And if I'm a Bears fan, that gets me really excited right now. Yeah. Pairing that win with a hilarious Packers loss was beautiful.

That Jordan Love clip of him scrambling around on fourth and eight and then lobbing it up, and there's not even a Packers guy in sight, and then the Panthers guy drops it is just comedy.

I've watched I've watched that not nearly as much as the Loveland touchdown, but it's getting some reps.

Alright. Let's move over to a Bears card. We've got the 2,000, same year, same set as the one of the most famous cards in for all of football, which is the Tom Brady rookie ticket.

We are talking about the Brian Urlacher rookie ticket, which is cool. I love seeing other players, every once in a while. We're so used to seeing the Brady.

It's cool to see the Urlacher, but this is a pop one of a PSA ten auto autograph 10. This card sold on eBay for $4,500. The previous high sale was a PSA 10 non it wasn't the auto wasn't graded, and it sold for $1,975 in August 2025.

Kicking it back, having the ten ten pop one of it all, is is is that sort of premium you think justified from, almost from $2 to about 4,500 just because we had the autograph graded at 10.

Like, what are you what are your thoughts on this Urlacher sale and just comparison with other sales of this cards over a long period of time?

What do you have to say? I think the it's so hard to fully say, but I do think, like, the ten ten premium is worth it.

I mean, again, like, once you get to a everyone's always just looking for a way to add another qualifier to single out a card as the best card.

So if this card has a lot of copies, you want a Gem Mint copy. And if you have the Gem Mint copy, you want the autograph to be Jem Mint, and you want someone to verify that for you in print.

So I think, to me, it it makes sense that, you know, this is Urlacher's highest selling card at 4,500 for his contenders, legacy brand, same look as the Brady for a ten ten.

I mean, that feels like a a goodbye to me, hall of famer. It's I don't collect Urlocker because he turned me down for an autograph once, but, it's a great card.

You can't avoid Urlocker in Chicago. I drove into Chicago twice in the last week, and those hair plug ads, they are out there. He talk about mechanisms that make people go look up cards.

Nothing will do like a hair transplant ad from Brian or Lacquer's company. The thing that's always sort of, mystified me about this particular card and the ten ten of it all is, how does it compare to, like, the champ ticket out of 100?

I've always thought about that. I like, with Brady, you know, like, the ten ten of this for Brady versus, like, one of the champ tickets out of 100.

You know? Like, that's always been interesting to me. So, like, Urlacher, I I can see here just, like, scrolling down the link you sent us, Brett, that, in August, a champ ticket PSA seven sold for a little over a thousand bucks.

And so, you know, I I'm kind of, you know, thinking to myself, you know, everything that was said sort of about this, how how special this is to be if it if it truly is a pop one in the grade of ten ten, that's amazing.

But, I really like the rarity of the 100 copies of the champ ticket too. So and Brian Urlacher, man.

He's got that straight that's what they always used to say about Urlacher. He had the straight line speed. Mhmm. Straight line speed of Urlacher. So I don't know, man. Have happy for that's a that's a great sale for Urlacher.

Mhmm. There there is a a rarer version of that card out there with a 100 copies. It's just it's nice. I actually saw that card that exact card itself sold for $1,400 in February 2020.

So it has come up, about, threefold since that sale. Not not bad at all for ole'Brien. Moving over to the nineties, we have which in the weekly Fanatics Weekly, there was a slew of PMG greens from Cowboys players.

The highest selling of the bunch was the Michael Irvin, PSA seven. This card sold for 20,400. It is a pop three, and the other card, which is interesting.

There's been two sales. The other copy, it's not the same copy. It's a different copy. Sold in May for 23 k. This one went for 20. So what do you make, is this just like a, hey. I saw this sale.

I'm gonna sell mine. I know this market's ripping. I'm gonna sell it now. But what do you make of, like, there being no PSA copies that have of any grade of Irvin's PMG Green that's never sold until this year, months apart.

We had two sales of these cards come to market and sell. Like, when you see this type see this type of, like, activity on the selling side, like, what what do you make of it, Chris?

I think that, I I will invoke the great Grant Slayton, and I don't know that he had anything to do with this sale.

I'm sure that he didn't, but I will think about how Grant and and the people who are very, very good at what they do like Grant unearth cards like these.

They unearth them. You know, these may have been these PMG PMG Greens of a guy like Michael Irvin, they may be who knows how many made it into circulation out of packs? Maybe it's seven or something or eight.

And then among those, how where are they? You know, there's probably some that are that are just tucked into five rows perhaps or sitting in binders and and owned by people who aren't totally aware of what they're worth.

You know? Like, the it it's just it's astonishing that, that these that collections that got accumulated ten, fifteen, twenty, twenty five years ago that that are just, like, sitting there.

And and sometimes the owner is aware of what it's worth, but they just have no interest to sell it or to bring it to the public.

And sometimes they just don't even know what it's worth, and they just collect these cards years ago, and then they put them into a box and put them into a a closet somewhere and haven't thought about them in years and years and years.

And so it sometimes there's a lot going on behind the scenes that we don't ever see that goes into the procurements and the unearthing of these and then getting them graded and bringing them to market and choosing the right marketplace and choosing the right timing.

That there's just there's a lot that goes on behind the scenes to get a card like this to market, especially, you know, the football PMG greens.

Like, they, you know, they're, Mike Sommer wrote an article that, went went over a Beckett magazine article from, like, 1998 that ranked all Barry Sanders cards at that time and sort of you know, it it gave a great snapshot into how cards like the PM Drew Green were not seen as an Apex card for players at that time, and now they are.

So, you know, there's there's a lot that goes on from, you know, pulling this getting this out of a collection into a PSA slab and into a a high profile auction.

There's a lot that that that that that happens behind the scenes we don't see. I love it. Shout out Grant, Waldorf stories. John, any comments on the Irvin? Not really.

I mean, sick card. Love seeing sick cards go to sale. Alright. We got one more, and I just had to highlight this. This is the '98 Bowman Chrome, Jerome Bennis, the bus, Golden Anniversary Refractor, First Time Selling, $3,720.

I there's five of these, five copies. Even no one it seems like no one talks about these, but I love the '98. Obviously, Manning's rookie year. I've talked about how the Manning is my holy grail of cards.

And speaking of, Grant, I think Grant I I think Grant sold his copy to, somebody at the national, if I'm getting my rumor and information correct. But, anyways, that's beside the point.

This card rules. I just love everything about it. We don't need to make this super long, but any comments, commentary you have on the the Bettis and the golden anniversary fiftieth, refractor out of Bowman Chrome?

I just wish it didn't say Bowman fiftieth anniversary on it. That's my only knock on this card. Like, I don't wanna celebrate a brand. I wanna celebrate a player is how I feel about it.

So I I do think they're awesome, and being numbered out of five for a card from '98 is pretty, revolutionary. I mean, that's a it's a rare thing at the time, and this is an awesome photo of Bettis.

This is a card I would I would want of my guys, but, yeah, that's that's the one thing that jumps out to me is it it reminds me of o five Topps Chrome where it's like, it says at the top, like, Topps' fiftieth anniversary.

And it always I'm like, okay. That's a that's a nice to know, but I don't need that to, like, be the foundation of the card. It's a it's, like, too, like, self indulgent almost of, like, alright, Bowman. We get it.

You've been around. Keep making cool cards. But that that's my take. Chris? It's a good take. I think I've I've paid very close attention to the thematic content of cards and how the the thematic content, like, separates cards.

Like, you know, if, if the if there were a, an unthemed version of this card that didn't carry the Bowman fiftieth anniversary text, and then later in that base set or earlier in the base set, there was a Bowman fiftieth anniversary as well.

I think that thought experiment proves that people would gravitate to the one that was not branded Bowman fiftieth, and they would see this Bowman fiftieth as sort of a subset or maybe a a slightly less desirable version.

But we we are not we don't we don't get to we we get what we get. And this and this is what it looks like. This is the card. Brett, I'm assuming this is the rarest parallel to 1998 Bowman Chrome football.

Is that right? It is. And in the scenario you just brought up, if we rip the Bowman fiftieth anniversary, it would just be the same card as the standard refractor. Just Mhmm. Five. So Okay.

That that's and and it reminds me as we're talking through this, and, Chris, you've been talking about the Jordan stuff, but the it's like, would you rather have this even though you don't like the Bowman fiftieth knowing that it's looks it's the same car as a refractor, just out of five?

Or what is the example of the, is the platinum medallion and the masterpiece? It's like the exact what what years is that? It's like the exact seven. Yeah. You wouldn't know it unless you just flipped over the back of the card.

Is that right? That's exactly right. Okay. This changes everything. So the base version and the refractor and the other versions, they don't say Bowman fiftieth. So you I own the here you go.

Here's the complexity. I own the Manning Okay. Fiftieth anniversary out of Bowman Chrome non refractor, which is out of 50. Okay. The refractor version of that, which is the same example as the Bettis, is out of out of five.

Now the the just refractor is the same card here, but with the Bowman fiftieth anniversary stripped off the side. Yeah. Okay. So what's happening here is the Bowman fiftieth anniversary, that is the parallel.

Yeah. That's that's the parallel. So, like, the parallel is is specifically named after that particular conceptual theme. Like, it's, it's fiftieth and then so then five is sort of, you know, a a number that divides cleanly into 50.

So it's starting to make more I'm I'm much more comfortable with it now knowing that it's that that that that was reserved just for this specific parallel, it actually makes it a little more special.

Agreed. I'm in the the same boat there. If you look up 2,005 Topps Chrome Football, every single card across the top says Topps Football fiftieth anniversary.

And that's what I was thinking. All of these had that, which actually, that that kinda makes me like this card more that it, they save that for just five copies per player.

That's pretty cool. That's that's really cool. It's a great And it's, like, it's vertical, so it's, like, it's not as in your face as as the tops one.

So is it my my my question hold on. Let me flip this back on real quick, and we can move on to the last seg. But is looking at Jerome Bettis in this photo, is Jerome Bettis getting that yard? He's about to fumble at the goal line.

Oh, I don't need the I I last thing I need to do is stir up the Steelers fans after, they beat us last week. So let's not do that. Bring back 300 pound running backs. Seriously. Just get three yards of carry, and you're good.

Every play. Just three yards. Just march it down the field. You got four downs. You need 10? Think that adds up to 12? Yeah. Move the chains. Alright. Let's get through some questions really quickly.

I'm gonna now some of these are really quick, so we'll we'll kinda rapid fire this in the dynamic kickoff that is now coming at the end of the episode. The dynamic overtime kickoff. That's it.

Alright. From chargers PC sports cards, you can own any player's game worn jersey from any game. Which would you choose? I just went ahead and said, Hester from the Super Bowl. I just feel like that's just such an iconic moment.

Regardless of the outcome of the game, just a player I have personal connection with beyond that would maybe try and think of, like, Walter Payton from the Super Bowl twenty, but I think the Hester Super Bowl, would be a pretty cool piece.

What about you two? We're picking fabric from the same game. I'm pick I'm taking the Yankees jersey from four That's crazy.

That's so funny. Popular. All of the jerseys we're picking the same. It's so funny that that game is so meaningful to both of you. It's awesome. That one game is just that's great. I I took the I'm not a jersey collector.

I did not this question did not inspire a ton of passion in me. All due respect to chargers PC sports cards. But, I just said give me the Brady twenty eight three jersey. I have such a fond memory of watching that game.

That was on the heel. That game came just a few months after the Cubs won the world series. Just sports fandom was so fun for me at that time. And then I just remember watching that game thinking there's no way they're gonna do it.

There's no way they're gonna do it. There's no way they're gonna do it. There's no way they're gonna do it. There's no way they're gonna do it, and then they did it.

So just a very a very special generic sports fan moment for me. But as soon as I get that jersey, I'm selling it, and I'm buying cards. That's what I was I thought that might be the punchline.

Yep. That was that's that's the end goal here. I'm trying to think, though. Of the last twenty five years. What would be the most valuable jersey? Like At that jersey, the Brady 23.

Even more than Brady's first Super Bowl jersey. I think his most memorable moment as a player is that Falcon Super Bowl. I I think that would be his top, but I don't know. I don't study I don't study the, jersey market.

Maybe we should dial up card porn and get his feedback on that. Okay. Next question from m n sports cards 12. If you could only collect players with one or fewer Pro Bowl appearances, who would you collect?

Brett, start with you. Okay. I would mine was this was tough because a lot of guys that I thought were one were multiple, and so I just resided with Michael Pittman junior.

He's never been a Pro Bowl Pro Bowl player. I love Michael Pittman Junior, my kind of player. He's really tough. He's having a great year too.

Also, you've got so many cards to choose from based on when he was a rookie. But this season, he is, tied for eighth with receptions, 52 receptions. He's thirteenth in yards 561, and he's tied for fourth in touchdowns with five.

So he's he's just a player. He's like a he he's not gonna do anything too sexy. He's just super consistent. And I never thought I would like a USC player as much as I do Michael Pittman, but here we are.

Yeah. Receivers get the short end of the stick when it comes to awards, like first teams and Pro Bowls because there are a lot of receivers and not many slots.

And, they've tried over the years to sort of add like, they added the flex position to the, all pro teams for a while and stuff just to get more receivers in there.

So receivers oftentimes, they have a a lighter trophy cabinet, but they're they're still awesome players.

Michael Pittman is exactly that. I just went with Brock Purdy because I do collect him, and he has one Pro Bowl. Easy. Easy. I went with Jamal Anderson, running back Falcons. One time pro bowler, one time first team all pro.

Yeah. The amazing '98 season. He's in all the cool late 90 sets, iconic dance, Falcons have sick jerseys. He's I just feel like I see his sick cards are always available, and I'm like, why is no one collecting Jamal Anderson?

If no one's doing it, I might have to do this. So but, yeah, dirty bird. I did wanna Chris, I had a question for you on the Purdy front.

And as a McCaffrey fan and collector, how do you feel about Mac Jones' success? Does it at all make you think, like, like, wishing Purdy was in it, but, like, Mac Jones' success means McCaffrey's success?

Just wondering if there's been any internal turmoil over there watching the niners lately. I'm very grateful for Jones because he is, like, leading the four niners to improbable victories.

They've had a few walk off, like, field goal. Like, they beat the Seahawks with a walk off field goal. They beat the Cardinals with a walk off field goal. Like, they've had these, like, improbable wins.

Jones has been as steady as it gets, and he's helping this team have playoff hopes that, you just you you you would think after Fred Warner gets hurt, Nick Bosa gets hurt, Brock Purdy gets hurt, Brandon Aiyuk still isn't back.

Kittle was out for an extended period. Like, you just look at all that and you say there's no chance that this team is gonna be able to make muster anything from this season, and they might and they might.

You know, they're gonna have to win shootouts basically. But even Kittle coming back, like, Brett, you were talking about, run blocking earlier. Like, Kittle is so important to the run blocking of the 40 niners.

In the game in the Kittle's first game back, the the four downers rushing offense averaged 5. 2 yards per carry when Kittle was blocking in the run game. And when he wasn't, they averaged two yards a carry.

Like, just having one guy, just one tight end, even receivers making downfield blocks can really, like, spring, you know, explosive plays and can just change the the calculus of the whole game.

So but but for Jones, like, you know, if his metrics are very average, you know, he's, like, seventeenth in EPA per play.

He's, like, nineteenth in passer rating. He's a slightly below average QB, but that's all you need to be, I think. Mhmm. I think you put that with Kyle Shanahan. You put that with playmakers like Kittle, McCaffrey, even Hughes check.

You know, you you kind of put all that stuff together, and you can win games. You're that's you're gonna need to get lucky. You're gonna need to have walk off field goals. Like, those games went against the forty niners last year.

Now they're going in their favor this year. But you can win games even as a below average quarterback. So shout out to Mac Jones. He's been carrying the load. I just I I'm very, very happy. It was such a great signing.

He's a he's a like, I think the Bears have a great backup quarterback too. Having a good backup quarterback can do it can it can save a season, and it it save their season this year. Alright. Final question, from MJM Sports Cards.

How have things like social media and podcast changed the hobby in your eyes? Has it reshaped what it means to be a collector? I think it is. Obviously, I'm very, very biased, and pro social media and pro content.

I think it is it is easy to look at that, especially if you were in the old world of collecting and say it has a negative experience just based on all the negative things that seem to overtake our hobby sometimes.

But I all like, I can't imagine operating as a collector right now without social media and without content from the perspective of it makes me way more informed as a collector.

And just like the there's information about everything constantly, and you just have to go find the right sources.

But for me, it's like once you find the right sources, it's like your favorite podcast to turn into, your favorite social media accounts, to follow on a regular basis.

Like, it it it helps you it it's helped me jump levels in terms of my own knowledge and expertise when it comes to cards.

So I personally think it's changed the hobby for the better, and I also it it it's crazy to think this, and I know, like, I can remember reentering the hobby and watching Cardboard Chronicles, watching listening to House of Jordan's podcast, Kyle Wax Museum, and, like, just listening to everything all the time.

It's much like I do now.

I listen to everything. I'll listen to anything. Chris and I, like, have a we should start a side, show sometimes because we just talk about the content we consume, and maybe that's a a piece of content we could create.

But I I love, like, first podcast that come up on my feet, I'm crushing it. They're like priority number one. I love it. But I just think, you know, ultimately, it's it's it's helping make our hobby way better.

And information, especially as we move into this era, it's you can't get enough of it. So I I am pro. I think that's very obvious. What about you, John? Yeah. I mean, pro for all the reasons you stated.

I do I think about this a lot, though, just the concept of social media and collecting, which is collecting is meant to be or is a very personal thing, and social media opens the door to it being a very then forward public facing thing, which in the dichotomy that comes with those things.

Like, why am I posting pictures of my cards? Is it just to share and connect? Is it for, like, my own self promotion?

Is it for, like, am I seeking positive feedback? Like, I got a new card, I posted it, and people comment on it and say it's a good card that makes me feel good and feel validated about my purchase.

But then if you post it and you don't get the same response, are you all of a sudden like, oh, maybe I don't like that card as much as I thought, or I thought it would have a different reaction.

And and the fact that those thoughts even then influence my collecting, like, I don't want them to. Like, I I would want to collect in the purest form, and I don't know if I'm doing that because of social media.

Not saying it's a bad thing and I and I don't wish to do it, but it it that that door being open does influence how I collect. Even just the thought of, like, we've all talked about it.

We love zagging. I love a zag. But how do you know to zag if you don't know what the zig is? You only know what the zig is because that's what everyone else is doing, but I only know that because of social media.

Like, if I, in a vacuum, was collecting, what would my collection look like? That's something I I think about a lot of just, you know, this social media informs and influences my decisions whether I like it or not.

It's like, how much do you let it do so? So I don't know if I I answered it there, but that's just kinda where my mind went.

What about you, Chris? Yeah. You nailed it. I love that. And, also, before we can zag, we must know the zig. Gotta know the zig. That is so key. And, like, here's the thing. I I think maybe to an uncomfortable level I don't know.

Not really uncomfortable. But the way just the Instagram grid, it shapes so much of how I collect. What my grid looks like is very informative on how I collect things. And you can see how, like, that just wasn't always the case.

You know? We didn't have an Instagram profile that was basically our online showcase of our cards twenty years ago. We didn't we we were only starting to have it ten years ago, but now it's ubiquitous.

And so I I I oftentimes, like, just do a grid check. I just go look at my Instagram profile and scroll it and be like, you know, this is this is how my collection appears right now.

This is my showcase. This is my online showcase. It's kinda similar to, like it's similar in one regard to how a dealer sets up at a show and they have their showcase. You know?

And, like, if you're a dealer, you wanna have the sickest showcase imaginable that's gonna catch the most eyes, gonna have the most people coming up to you, that's that's gonna have the cards that people are gonna wanna be interested in.

But your your goal as a dealer is to sell and transact. Now change change that.

Instead of being a dealer, imagine you're a collector, but you're still set up at a show like the National or something. But you wanna make the sickest showcase, but not for the purpose of, like, selling or trading or buying cards.

You just wanna make a sick showcase because, like, the whole point of it is just to show off a really cool collection. Well, I don't ever bring my cards to the national because that's a security concern. I'm, a bit of an airhead.

I will misplace a bag. I'll lose something. I just don't do that. So my next closest equivalent is literally my Instagram profile grid. This is the closest thing I'll probably ever have to showing off my collection in a public setting.

So, like, what that grid looks like is really formative and important and influential on how I collect, and that just that context wasn't there ten, twenty, thirty years ago as a collector.

And I think you can actually trace a lot of different tendencies and collecting habits. Like, my as I continuously sort of get inched more and more nudged into just, like, I want it all one of ones.

Like, that's one reason why is because then nobody can replicate that display case. Like, my my display case is more unique that way. So I I think it's super informative.

And then, like, dude, the hobby content, it's so key. It's an extension to the hobby. It makes the hobby so much more enjoyable and fun to come back to. It get like, how how many cards can we collect?

You know? Like, we we I have limited money. I there's only so many cards that are ever even available that I want at any given time, but I can keep the hobby experience going through content. You know?

And what we did before content, we would go and just sit around at the hobby shop, you know, and just hope that the the owner would talk to us for a little while or, like, somebody would walk in and we could strike up a conversation about sports or whatever.

And the hobby content, like, lets us do that without having to be in the shop or without having to be at the show.

It's just it's it's these conversations with people. So hobby content is just it's so it's the most undervalued thing in the hobby. But I also love that it's undervalued because it's all organic.

It's all grassroots. You know? There's very little sort of corporate sponsored cramming agendas at you. It's just more like people who love love collecting cards, talking about it.

So the hobby content is is amazing. Shout out hobby content. And shout out another episode of the football card podcast for the hobby content consumer. Feel like we we're running up against it.

So do we wanna do updates, or do you guys have to jump? How are we feeling on time? I'm good. Yeah. Let's do it. Cool. Collecting updates. What are the current collecting projects that you're focusing your resources on?

I have one card that I just got in hand. I alluded to this purchase on a previous episode, but I got a Jay Cutler 2013 Select Gold out of 10 on eBay, smashed bin, $450.

This was one that this was a true InstaSmash. It my saved searches are still a little out of whack, and this showed up under twenty thirteen Prizm gold.

I just have a saved search for that, and it was one. Like, there was just one number under that. I was I've randomly checked my phone while I was going out to start a grill because my wife's family was coming over.

We're gonna like, I was not gonna be able to look at my phone for a while, but I just, like, happened to open it up, clicked that save search.

It was the Cutler select. I just instantly purchased it. So I I was waiting to get that in hand because you just never know.

And so that, is quickly up on the maybe on my Mount Rushmore of Cutler cards. I'm not sure yet, but that's that's my big one. What about you guys? Chris? Yeah. So, I'll I have three cards I'll talk about really quickly.

First of all, this is my advertisements that, when 2025 personal football does come out, I will be looking desperately for the black fine at one of one Christian McCaffrey. Need that to keep that run going and complete it.

Can I can I interject and just bring up a topic that's like I just was walking, down my street, and this just hit me? And I have something that hit me, and I feel like this is a perfect time based on that announcement to throw it back.

So you're doing a call out for the McCaffrey finite, which obviously you have the run. You should want that card. I, of course, am starting to prep for my own building of this, but then I had this thought.

And I don't know if this is just, like, manufactured thoughts. But we saw on the basketball side that they decided to take the design that we're going to see in football and introduce it, but it was not a Prizm the the flagship Prizm.

It was Prizm black, which makes it an offshoot. Now are we sure that this is going to be a flagship Prizm and or is could this be a Prizm black sayonara from football?

And if it is Prizm black, does that change the way you're thinking about not only this McCaffrey, but anything else with this product?

Yes. I will not consider the Prizm Black product to be part of the Prizm of flagship run. Yeah. I will not consider it to be the same.

But, Prizm Basketball had standard twenty twenty four, 25 Prizm, and then they had a twenty twenty four, twenty five Prizm Black, and I think they had a DECA, and I think they had a Monopoly, and I think they had a draft picks for all for the twenty twenty four, twenty five season.

I think we'll definitely see them cram football products in at the very end.

So we we will probably see some one offs like that. Not those will there will be cool cards. Like, I I still might want the McCaffrey, but but I will not consider it part of the run.

It needs to be Prizm flagship. It needs to be the base that it needs to be the black line at one of one. So do are we sure that the the the Prizm flagship as we're expecting is going to come out and not be masqueraded as the black?

Do we know that for sure or not? I think they would be missing out on a lot of money and revenue if they didn't have a Prizm flagship.

I I think my prediction would be there will be flagship, and then there might be multiple others also. Okay. Sorry. It's totally sidebar here.

I just have to say the McCaffrey finite run is one of the more impressive collecting feats ever. Like, that's eight years. Like, there's players I just want DJ Moore's 2024 finite, so I have his two bears ones, and I can't find it.

Like, there's one like, the fact that you've all eight have surfaced and ended up in your hands, like, if you really the more you think about it is just insane and impressive.

So kudos there. We're gonna gas up our guest here again. But listeners, I agree with this as a fellow finite collector, but you gotta listen to the host cast where Chris talks about this.

Because Chris in order to do this, you have to pay the price. And Chris is paying for this along with doing a lot of other things, but I love that.

It's probably my favorite host cast is because you really get the inside scoop on what it takes to be able to do something like this, which takes time, money, all the things.

So, yeah. Anyway You have to be very aggressive, and you have to be willing to overpay, and you have to get lucky and have the stuff come up.

You have to and and so the still the ninth one, we just wait now and suspended terror. But, and the other thing I wanna talk about, this kind of, like, echoes back to something that the show's been having.

It's like there was a moment on the crossover where, some question came up, I think, from Drake probably. And it it was like, I think it was a question that he asked on this show when Josh called about for, like, recycling the question.

And, like, basically, though, my answer ended up being like, hey. There's this Christian McCaffrey. It's a 2017, which is a rookie. It's a one of one, and it's $200 on eBay.

And I just haven't bought it, but I think about it. I don't know why I don't buy it, but I just haven't. And, and then somebody watching the crossover bought it. And then I got I was like, you know what?

I should have bought that. And so then that same seller came out with another card from that set. So, like, here's so I bought I ended up buying it. So this is the twenty seventeen national convention Panini set. It's a multiplayer set.

The way you got the packs was when you were at the twenty seventeen national, you had to buy other Panini product, then you brought it over to the Panini booth, and then they gave you these wrapper redemption packs.

Like, if they are redemptions, but you have to prove that you bought things.

It's hyperplaid. It's got the player worn meme, from presumably from the rookie photo shoot, although it doesn't actually specify that. And, but the hyper plaid finish is pretty neat.

And and so this hit eBay for, like, $20 or something like that. These are the only this is the only time I've ever seen that hyper plaid finish, so that's cool. And twenty seventeen national convention site is neat.

You know, it's got it's it's like Panini celebrating all their licenses. You've got, you know, everything. You've got the soccer stars. You've got the football stars, basketball stars, NASCAR stars.

It's just it's a cool product. And so, anyway, so, like, I've after I'm missing out on the one that, somebody sniped while watching the crossover, I went I picked up that that one, which is from the same set.

And then guess what? The person who was watching the crossover actually just bought it just to give it to me. So There we go. I figured that happened. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I that was a good that was a decent guess.

So it so it was, it this is the the base set version, I guess, or the the rookies. I don't really even know. The the checklists are, like, incomplete online, but it's it's also got the hyperplaid effect.

It's also, like, a thick card. And, apparently, there's a thin version too. There's, like, there so there's, like, a thick version and a thin version, but they look really cool.

They're just a couple $100. They are some of his earliest not not the earliest, but they are some of the earliest rookie cards ever made at McCaffrey.

And then, somebody else, a different McCaffrey collector, ended up buying some of these some of these national convention hyperplads rookie year and other year and just sort of showing me and saying, like, hey.

I I think I do think these are pretty cool also. So, you know, people have actually gone and, like, looked at these hyperplad one of ones and were like, yeah.

These are kinda sick. So that that is a that's that's been a fun little side project that was completely unexpected for McCaffrey collecting.

That was a great episode of the Hochsch cast of just you answering in response to your dad being like, well, why didn't you buy it in the first place?

And you'd be like, I don't know. And then, like, exploring that thought and just the idea I think that I think the original question that had sparked of, like, if it had been listed at 2,000, would that have peaked your interest more?

Because, like, personally, for me, it probably would have just like 100%.

The way perception goes. So just a very cool thought exercise of with that whole journey that you went on, and very cool to see it end up in your hands. That's awesome. Thank you, sir.

One thing I'll do before we wrap up here, I wanted to, like, try and find a way to spit to fit this in this little trivia. So I lost a bet to somebody last year. They took the Oklahoma City Thunder to win the NBA championship.

I had the field and I still lost. So part of the my what my oweage to them was I had to buy them a really cool card. And so they're a fan of a very popular NFL quarterback right now.

And so I went, I waited, I waited, and I finally found a card that I wanted to get for them. And the card that I got for them is a one of one from the first Panini football product.

The first Panini NFL licensed football product that they ever put out. Do you know do either of you know what was the first product that, Panini put out of NFL cards?

Panini. No. Panini Panini? No. Good great guess, but no. Is it, like, Panini past and present or something like Very close. You guys you have the first both of you had the first letter.

Right? Perf Panini. Preferred? Preferred. 2009 preferred is the first football NFL licensed Panini football product ever released. And, like, part of it is because they acquired that IP.

Those cards were already being made under the Don Russ playoff banner, so they just sort of it was a seamless transition. And as soon as they got the license, they're able to put it out.

So preferred, it that's just a fun piece of trivia here as I as I I leave the audience with that preferred is the first ever Panini football NFL product. I love that. Quick one for me update wise.

So shout out to people who share links. I got a link shared of a 2018, Instagram user with very little followership just posted the Jack Doyle 2018, which is his first appearance rainbow without the black finite.

And it just said for sale, $140. Now Jack Doyle went to my high school, Cathedral High School. My father-in-law coached him to a state championship.

He's a regular around the city and and kinda my community. Great football player. So, obviously, his cards are going to be more meaningful to me than maybe anyone else. Obviously, he fits within my collection as well.

And I was just been dying for access to these cards. And so I'm sitting there, and I'm like, oh my gosh. Like, a 140? I would pay five times that for this. Like and so I DM ed, didn't hear anything.

I commented, DM ed, didn't hear anything. I started using follower resources. Hey. Can you DM them? I want I'm freaking out. I'm like, I'm gonna miss out on this. About, like, six days later, he was like, sorry. I'm not on here much.

Like, yeah. Let's get this done. And I couldn't I couldn't pay him quick enough. But, yeah, it was awesome. Like, the whole rainbow showed up, and I just, like, my my wife grew up at and went to the same school as grade school as Jack.

So I just literally opened up the package. I was like, check this out. And I just, like, spread out the entire rainbow, and she was like, this is awesome.

And whenever you can get that reaction, from your, partner, that's always good when we're talking about Forty forty parallel rainbow roughly? Oh, it was a lot.

It's a lot. Yeah. Yeah. But what do you think when you have the do you like that full rain? Do you there is something really cool. Christina has rainbows of Maxi Calibre that go about that deep, and there is something special about it.

Yeah. There's certainly I feel bad in a way because I don't dude, when I bought my luck finites, I had to buy all the rainbows with it.

So, dude, I had, like, I had, like, 350 Prizm luck cards. That's too They have sent I I hung on to him for, like, almost a year, and I was like, I I gotta send these to I sent them to DC Sports eighty seven.

I was like, let's just get ready. So I feel bad about it because it's like, I'm breaking up this rainbow, but I don't I'm not a rainbow collector.

But sometimes you gotta buy the whole rainbow to get the card you want. So I just wanted the gold and gold vinyl, which I have. And so those are gonna get graded by PSA and and stashed away in my Prizm PC.

But public service announcement, shout out Beau Roethlisberger collector. He was the out of my entire collection, I could never get a Doyle. He gave me the twenty nineteen gold vinyl because he found it in a pack, sold it to me.

Since a month later, I got these two. So I'm on a little Jack Doyle streak. So if you got any Jack Doyle Prizm stuff, Black Finite specifically, you know where to find me.

I love thinking about the time in between you sending the messages and him not responding, and then you going on your search to find other ways to contact him.

And then when he comes back, oh, sorry. I don't check it. And it's like, I've been losing my mind over here, buddy.

Like, to you, this might seem like not a big deal that you are away from your phone for a day. But over here, I was an hour away from finding out your address and showing up at your door.

Like, I was searching your government name. So it's totally so he was in I believe that it was Newcastle, Indiana, which is the home of one of the twelfth, largest bask high school basketball Uh-huh.

Arenas in the country. And I would I, like, saw the address and saw it come, and I was just like, dude, I would've I would've gotten in my car, and it drove to you for this.

Like, we saved us a bunch of time, but we do crazy things for cards. I'm just happy to have them in my collection now. That's great. Alright. Card callouts. Last week, we asked to see trios. Great cards.

Great groups. Love the creativity that goes into some of these posts. This week, in honor of our guest and some of our Fantasy Football talk, favorite Fantasy Football player. Just show a card of any favorite Fantasy Football player.

Maybe include a memorable season stats. This is your chance to relive your fantasy glory days. Did you win a title that you are still clinging on to ten years ago and wanna talk about it?

Share a card of the player. Let us know how they changed your fantasy squad, and why you love them and collect them. And, yeah, tag the football card pod on Instagram in your stories, and we will reshare.

And we will see you all next week. I wanna do one before we get off, one question to you back back, and this is a Josh question based on your card call out.

Do you think Josh is going to select Todd Gurley or Antonio Brown or somebody different? What go around. What do you think?

Well, now it's yeah. Now that you put it out there, I bet he will, like, pick someone else. Yeah. He's gonna He will definitely say that. The whole objective. This is the three d chess. I wanna put someone else out there.

Yeah. No. That's because already, you gotta think of the maybe David Johnson. I don't know if he has any David Johnson cards. That would be something. Because he had a monster David Johnson had a monster fantasy season.

So for those watching on the Patreon, my pen exploded halfway through this episode, and I kept going using the stem just so just so bad. That's how champions are made. You can see the pen explode at some point on my screen.

It's definitely just just shot. And but I kept the stem, and I kept going with the stem. That's like Byron Leftwich playing with a broken leg. I that's similar. Very it's close. Yeah.

We don't need to we don't need to respond, but I just I'm excited to see what Josh has. And I know a lot of people collect football based on fantasy, so it'll be fun to see that. Yeah. Let's see those cards. Alright. See you next week.