hello and welcome to the football card podcast this is it you made it it's friday and you're listening to the fastest growing podcast in the entire world that's centered on football cards and most importantly football cards i'm your host john aka pat nicholson and with me as always is mister stacking slabs himself brett how you doing been a whirlwind over here at stacking slabs hq a lot happening a lot shaking a lot of football related stuff i guess maybe the most appropriate place for me to start is my experience on saturday evening in south bend indiana i got my notre dame hat on what a ballgame i gotta be honest with you there was a moment there that i sat in the stadium and i was like are we gonna give this up are we gonna do this because if this happens in this year that i'm having i'm not sure i can handle it but it was awesome such a scene it is so fun to go to big games and big events and win the football game so that was awesome stayed overnight at my aunt's house in granger indiana shout out aunt barb and mike for for hooking me and my buddy up with the accommodations so that was really exciting what else is happening oh we were talking before had a events where my daughter decided to jump backwards off the bed and break her wrist so got the three year old casted up and then we had all of the trade deadline drama which i'm sure we'll probably get into a little bit there's some stuff to talk about but a lot shaking over here man how are you let's go doing pretty good no hospital visits but like i mentioned my three year old had an incident where she got her finger stuck in a gate loop at my mom's house and couldn't get it out fire department had to get involved she never cried she was just a trooper just kinda got through it which is crazy to me because my biggest i feel like all parents or just anyone has like different fears for their kid of like oh they're gonna fall or oh they're like fingers were always my biggest thing like i'm just always blown away that more people don't lose fingers all the time with the way doors work and fingers ronnie lott style yeah just the amount of opportunities to lose fingers seems like there's a lot and so i don't know anyone who makes it through this life with ten still intact that that's impressive but luckily it was all sorted and it happened while she was staying at my mom's like by herself like my wife and i weren't there and it happened early in the morning and we got to sleep in so slept through the whole ordeal so it's actually the the best way possible so shout out shout out mom for handling that situation and yeah on the football front the bears kinda had a stinker but still won so that was that was mixed feelings coming out of that one i wasn't like as excited to watch all the content and the all twenty twos from that one but hey if you can win ugly whatever i'll take it seven and two going into the buy that's fun and but yeah the notre dame irish like are you starting the notre dame pc i feel like you just just turn the focus into something that's you know sparking the joy in my yeah that it's certainly been a thought that races through my mind often and yeah i'm yeah this has been a fun part for me about like collection configuration i have a lot of thoughts on my approach i have been doing a ton of homework and research and figuring out and identifying lanes and it's fun because you start to open up some new safe searches you start to research sets you never thought i'd be researching and it's been fun and like i think this is like a really important thing to just mention and we talk about this throughout you know the stacking slabs universe but there is so much to do in this hobby that doesn't involve buying something and i think getting ourselves to realize all of those different flavors of the hobby that don't involve us buying stuff keeps us engaged or at least it keeps me engaged so i've been having a lot of fun like understanding checklists understanding products understanding like specific one of one parallels throughout a product's existence and why it changed one year and why this configuration has a different one of one so i don't know i'm very curious and that has been that's kept me engaged as i'm trying to map it all out yeah that's a great call there's so much that can be done without hitting by it now or striking a deal the research part of it is a ton of fun we have a lot on the trade deadline front do you wanna table that for kinda post mailbag or do you wanna talk about that that for like nfl talk okay sounds good can get more deep deep dive into the ongoings of the league but we've got a couple a few opening topics that we gotta jump into based on some some sales some performances and some some product updates so let's start from the top with this sale that must be spoken about on the football so yeah so this thank god for just endless scrolling sometimes in the mornings like i was just making my children's breakfasts and i felt very excited about that it was done i was they were coming down got the show going and so i just started scrolling and checking in card ladder i was like what and i'll i i'm pretty good at like even if it's stuff i'm not gonna buy that's football related and it's something interesting i'm at least like pretty good typically at spotting it and favoriting it and watching what happens and this card i was very bad at i didn't see it until the card finished and i felt like this is a very interesting subject very interesting card and a very big sale so we're gonna talk about it so i am going to bring up the sale of the two thousand and six topps chrome vince young rookie superfractor autograph one of one this sold via pc sports cards on the ebay machine for five thousand eight hundred and fifty dollars what do you say about this card and this sale i mean huge sale i've got to imagine it's one of vince young's highest selling cards ever and i'm looking at that and number one is a gold downtown duo gamble shocked it wasn't the highest i did the same thing an exquisite triple reggie bush vince young jay cutler from two thousand seven that sold for seven thousand dollars in two thousand seven that was big time a couple other downtowns but this is the highest selling solo vince young card so there's something to say there superfractors man the superfractor market continues to just you know whatever someone's willing to pay is what the price is gonna be and vince young man i loved vince young like the texas usc game one of the most memorable memorable just like sports fan moments of my lifetime like i just vividly remember where i was when that game was on in my friend's basement shout out kyle and just it was electric it was arguably the greatest game of all time and vince young's performance was truly heroic like if i was a texas fan a vince young fan even like then a titans fan when he was there he won rookie of the year for the titans he he you know he was decent for the first few years i just can understand like that game meant something to me and i'm not even a fan of him or the teams like that but i can see how if you were that type of fan how getting this card would be very very high on your list so crazy sale awesome sale yeah we have to mention the madden cover as well everyone played played the vince young madden i was in barcelona spain sick for that game and i was so excited for that game i woke up in the middle of the night and streamed it on slingbox i i don't know if you remember slingbox but that it was like state of the art like you could stream your tv from your computer and i remember stay and being in my hostel and everyone's asleep and i'm watching the game on my computer and i couldn't believe what i was seeing mostly because usc was so dominant and as a notre dame fan we can't stand usc and i was just watching and i was like why am i doing this to myself i'm just watching this to watch usc win another championship and then vince young was heroic and he prevailed so i think that is obviously vince young's defining moment as a football player but this card specifically i'm looking at it and what's cool about it is it's still encased so you gotta love that still encased and i look at this card and all that we talked about with vince young and how sick two thousand six topps chrome is one of my favorite years and when i look at this card and i see the sale price for eighty for fifty eight hundred dollars i think about like think about all of these cards of these active players and the super fractures that are selling now and the prices that they're going for and like i think the question like i ask myself is you know i don't know how many years this is what twenty twenty years basically later it's like will we be able to get up on a content platform when we are sixty years old and talk about those cards with the same affinity and affection that we talk about this card i don't think so and i think that's an interesting element of collecting where vince young didn't have the nfl career that he the number three pick overall kind of would expect to be and it was probably most people would view overall a disappointment but it's almost like that doesn't matter because this card matters and i think that's interesting and i think it kinda shows the power of like memory it shows the power of like nostalgia and i don't know like that those are interesting things and dynamics to think about when we are spending a lot of money on the front end for you know these newer cards like will we be able to twenty years from now get up on a podcast opening up a podcast about football cards and like be really excited about it my guess would be most of those cards probably not but this one certainly like this is awesome yeah and this is from that early era too which adds to that of the you know the the quantity is small whereas any rookie in twenty twenty six has hundreds of super factors or hundreds of one of ones which yeah dampens that a little bit but even i'm looking vince young's career nfl career fifty games started his record thirty one and nineteen in those fifty games that's a pretty good record for a starting quarterback if i say so myself his his numbers aren't incredible i mean his passing stats are pretty modest never threw for more than twelve touchdown passes in a season but he was mobile he's running for four or five hundred yards here and there and some touchdowns but yeah just a iconic game one other one other memory i had of that game that just came to me was this had to be like twenty eighteen i was in la for the grammys i was working at def jam there were like grammys parties going on and i decided because i was in california that i wanted to smoke some california finest and i like got to my hotel went and found a place smoked a joint walking around and like got back to my room and was like way too high like like you know the uncomfortable like what did i do and like turn on the tv and like that game was replaying on espnu or something and i just perfect sat my like skipped out on the events i was supposed to go to because i was too scared to leave my room and this game was on and i just locked in and watched the entire game and it honestly felt like i was watching it for the first time it was just a wonderful moment so dude i i twice i feel like i've i've seen that game twice for the first time and both are very memorable i yeah that's amazing i love that you shared that i before we get off of vince young i just here's a fun topic and we maybe don't need to get into super in the weeds about this but i think it's fun to think about these teams and the quarterback rooms from the past and i don't know if there could have been any more different of a quarterback room kerry collins and vince young it's like completely they both play the same position but how they play the position is very very different oh yeah that's like similar shades of case keenum caleb williams of like just case keenum is is not there to play he's there to fully just be the the mentor the coach on the field but yeah didn't work as well for for vince and kerry kerry collins forgot about kerry collins shout out kerry collins went to a super bowl with the giants former colts legend oh yeah he he was the answer in the peyton manning neck here and did i remember going to a game pittsburgh at home collins dude he they were trying to run the manning offense with collins and collins dropped back and it was just just gotten destroyed he looked like an old man he was like he was chewing skull and drinking budweisers on his couch when the colts gave him a call didn't really work out well but fun to reminisce yep great card shout out vince young what a legend so going from quarterback to quarterback and i just felt compelled to give this guy some airtime joe burrow man he is putting together an incredible season he is currently the front runner for mvp at plus two hundred two thousand three hundred and eighty six passing yards twenty three touchdowns six interceptions john your favorite stat seventy four percent completion percentage a hundred and fourteen point eight passer rating and man when this guy is going this guy is the best and obviously i think injuries have played a role in maybe some pessimism on burrow but burrow is balling out and it is really fun to see i think this is interesting and why i wanted to bring up burrow front runner of the mvp because i decided to look at kinda card performance and digging into card lighter so over the last year burrow according to their player index his player index is down thirty two point sixty nine percent over last year in the last three months twenty three point seventy nine percent and over the last month when he's doing all of these looking like joe burrow balling out he's down eight point two three percent so he's dealt with a lot of injuries that's maybe part of the declines people don't know if he can stay healthy but i found it interesting in like zeroing in on a card so his twenty twenty prism gold vinyl rookie sold in february for forty two thousand dollars which is a big chunk of money but the previous high was august seventh twenty twenty five for sixty one thousand two hundred dollars so there's a lot to unpack we can we can talk about burrow and his performance we can talk about his cards and collect collector base but the question i have is should joe burrow cards come with a disclaimer buyer beware because he might get hurt again or is this just football and it's a long damn game and the flashes of brilliance will always show up and that might drive some of the collectability so wanna get your thoughts on burrow his performance in cards yeah that is interesting that his prices are i mean it's interesting to me that his prices are down over just like the last month i would have thought in the last month you would have seen like an uptick i'm looking again i always go to like a prism silver psa ten as kind of a like controlled card because you know it's relatively high pop they transact a lot you're able to get a good read on there and is prism silver psa ten a pop three hundred which is actually lower than i thought it would be over the last month yeah it's down eighteen percent with the last sale coming three days ago so and over the last three months down two percent so it's just kinda staying level why is that happening what does that mean i think maybe part of it is there's tons of joe burrow cards out there like he was just so highly collected as a hyped up rookie and i mean rightfully so he like joe burrow is awesome and thinking about him winning the natty at lsu one of the greatest teams ever the heisman like first overall pick he's already taken them to a super bowl i just feel like there are a lot of joe burrow cards out there and a lot of people who probably maybe are down on their joe burrow purchases or investments who like as maybe you know once there's like an uptick in performance maybe the market is getting inundated with joe burrow cards and that's why you're not seeing like the price spike because the supply is so high and the supply is getting unleashed into this kind of because of this good performance so it is interesting to look at i think burrow is awesome i do think his success this year is in part because i did not draft him in fantasy i drafted him last year very high because i was like joe burrow is awesome when he got hurt and the other time i had him was twenty twenty three when he got hurt so he's like christian mccaffrey for me i've every time i've taken a swing in fantasy on burrow or mccaffrey i've had the injured season and not the incredible seasons but he's fun to watch man the bengals are fun like they're another one of those like you want i i root for the bengals the the franchises that haven't won in a long time that have like a long suffering passionate fan base i relate to that and just think it's like how fun it would be if the bengals you know made another run so definitely rooting for him he's playing out of his mind the numbers are insane seventy four percent completion averaging about three hundred yards a game twenty three touchdowns six picks in just eight weeks i mean he's and and he's running for touchdowns too he had a couple against or one against tennessee i remember but yeah i don't know maybe that that gold vinyl buy in february was a was a steal though i mean if he if he goes on and has like a great season mvp type season even a deep playoff run i feel like does a lot to kinda cement him back in the like josh allen mahomes level i think all good thoughts and as i you were talking i was thinking about this and i'm sure there's probably some browns and steelers and ravens fans out there that would say i don't like joe burrow but just as a as a whole there are every time joe burrow comes up in conversations that i have like it's everyone's a fan people are passionate about this guy he's really fun to watch he is in this era where the quarterback position is changing more running more off platform throws like you can watch a joe burrow game and you can put that joe burrow game in two thousand and that's what it looks like and i think that's what he what is very attractive to me about burrow and what how he's playing and i think it's fun just for as a fan of cards and collecting that we have the opportunity to watch a player that potentially could cement his collectibility forever in this one season right if he he's already been to a super bowl he's already very very good great stats but then you pair that with an mvp and let's say and i'll i don't wanna jinx your bengals fans but let's say the bengals win the super bowl and he's a super bowl mvp like that that type of year would make joe burrow highly collectible for the rest of time and i think the margin to get from collectible to forever and highly collectible forever is is so thin and so winning's a big portion of it but i don't know like as i'm kind of obviously checked out on my squad and paying attention to like other story lines and pairing those story lines with cards like joe burrow to me is the most fascinating card player story for this year based on how he's playing and what could be if he takes down some trophies this year yeah he's definitely got the he's got it he's got the like yeah he's easy to root for which is like something that like we've talked about josh allen has and that's just like such a big part of collectibility and again to me it's the he's playing quarterback better than anyone right now it feels like and with and all it hurts to say jordan love i think jordan love's up there like jordan love's balling but burrow i think on a even higher level a little bit right now but there's just something to that where like any player who was the best at their position for a period of time that sticks with collectors because it's like they were doing something that no one else could do at that moment and that that to me gets becomes very memorable and becomes a reason to collect like what we said about with dez bryant the other week it's like at one point dez had his case for the best receiver in football and that will stick with collectors and fans for a long time final thought exercise here that i wanna throw your way on joe burrow let's paint a hypothetical here let's say the afc championship this year is the bengals versus the bills mhmm and joe burrow takes down josh allen and let's run that hypothetical too we won't put your team in this scenario because i don't i don't want you to be biased so we're not talking about the bears but somebody else in the nfc is the matchup against joe burrow we'll just say the forty niners because it's an easy one to say mhmm a lot of people have called me a closeted forty niners fan i respect the organization i'll say that in the history but let's say joe burrow beats the forty niners like does that instantly like those two games does that instantly solidify joe burrow ahead of josh allen in terms of card values and prices like will would we see that take shape over that like off season like what do you think would happen if that scenario played out oh yeah i think he would instantly become not instantly because there he's been building towards it but and let's say he even on that playoff path takes down mahomes in like the divisional round and then the bills in the championship game and then i mean just the bengals forty niners like that super bowl rematch yep would be you know that would the nfl would love that and burrow's so already like marketable and like people know him i feel like him taking down all those people and winning a super bowl super bowl mvp i mean he'd be yeah that he would be then the most hyped quarterback like the he would be the quarterback at the national you know like how there's always kinda like who's the the next guy or like who's the main quarterback prospect at the national he was not even a prospect anymore if he does all that that is also crazy to think about like i know lamar and mahomes a couple years older but and but alan is twenty eighteen with lamar but that we're almost we're coming up on ten years of lamar and that like they are not prospects anymore they have been like the best quarterbacks in the league for years at this point but no that would be massive for joe burrow if he won a super bowl and just think like every bengals collector like that would be greatest player in franchise yeah it would be he'd be everything i would have to have a joe burrow card in my collection i would even want one i mean just talking about it right now i'm like should i get one of these prism silvers and just stash it away in case that happens but it's a long way to go i mean we've seen how week to week this league is where yeah just one one week it becomes the new norm and if burrow also gets hurt you know you never know any anything could happen knock on wood but also i wanted to call out because you mentioned he's kind of feels like a throwback quarterback with some of the numbers and i had looked this up recently so last year there were six quarterbacks who threw for more than four thousand yards there were six in the league through for more than four thousand go back ten years twenty sixteen there were thirteen that topped four thousand yards so the league is different there aren't the passers where it used to feel like three hundred yard passing game was kind of like a normal thing especially watching peyton mann it was like peyton it's impossible to see those you don't see them anymore rarely see like the three hundred yard games anymore i mean they're happening i've like jordan loves balling caleb's had a couple burrow obviously but among others but yeah there was just something back then that they were just airing it out man everyone was airing it out i mean matt schaub was getting work like jameis winston was getting work everyone could get four thousand easily oh yeah it's shout out to the drop back quarterbacks who just gun it so burrow will get a chance to pad his stats because bengals are coming to indianapolis my one my best friend from college who's in my wedding he's a bengal season ticket holder he just recently moved to minnesota but he's flying in town to watch that game for me and or with me at at lucas oil so at least maybe we'll see some history that that definitely could be a game where burrow dropped seven touchdowns yeah that okay so that's not till right after christmas so i was thinking that was coming up sooner yeah by then they could be fighting for playoff seating and the colts are just fully shut down apologies we've got a car alarm going out right in front of my house so i don't know it's barely it's barely picking up i feel like the the sound technology on old streamyard is pretty good for filtering that out shout out streamyard you have a topic you wanna dig into yes so i saw this making the rounds on socials but twenty twenty six topps chrome is coming back in by the time you're listening to this it'll probably be about a week i think it's november eighteenth so today we're recording this on wednesday the eleventh one week from today next wednesday the eighteenth topps chrome twenty twenty six is coming out and within topps chrome twenty twenty six there are the date the premier patches from the twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four nfl rookies which includes players like jsn caleb williams jameer gibbs drake may oh knicks i mean it's loaded with like bijans would be in here if gibbs is like twenty twenty three so those are these break spots are gonna be insane yes break spots will be crazy like this there will be so much hype around that these cards are going to set records when they sell but the thing that jumped out to me the most about this release is the new one of one stamp that has been revealed just when you think there's not another way to say one of a kind one of one the only one of one masterpiece one slash one one dash one one of one they roll out tops rolls out this new logo with elongated f that f is putting in work covering coast to coast for this one of one logo so just wanted to point that out that there is still room for creativity and new serial one of one stamps out there and i i appreciate that i like that that attention to detail i do love the classic one slash one you know iconic stamp that like shows up on the early super factors and even like the first year twenty twelve prism finites but also i'm not mad at a little creativity here and there so shout out shout out this top set and shout out the one of one logo that is the victor wibanyama of f's it's the like michael jordan spreading out poster where he's got his arm the wings poster of f's but the premier patches i wish i don't love the design of the actual premier patch like the focus is too much on the word premier i wish it was more like nfl shield centric versus the and the fact that then there are horizontal cards i like the mlb debut patches and how they're vertical i think those look really really sharp the nfl premiers don't look as don't look as appealing to me in my personal opinion but what do i know yeah the this is where you look at the card and you see what this card is going to sell for we're look we were looking at the jsn and it's gonna sell for so much money and it's comes down to the fact that yeah there are elements of this card that like i don't love and so just looking at the card and not loving certain elements causes me as a collector to be like i i'm i have zero interest in playing in that even if it was a subject that i was interested in but i think to be pay up for a card like this it's gotta be one that you look at and instantly there are not there's nothing wrong with them and it is aesthetically pleasing to you and whatever your interests are as a collector it does look like there's some nice gold foil over the premier which is awesome but yeah i'm interested to see what these go for i guess i didn't even realize that topps chrome was coming out yeah yeah it's we're gonna get flooded with all the hype coming up here soon absolutely and yeah i'm like looking at the mlb debut patches i'm like why do i like those better and they feel they look stitched and they look like logo men or like shields whereas this premier patch to me is the nfl one feels more laundry tag ish it like looks a little just like flatter and not like the same like stitching as like the logo a logo man or a true shield so still awesome cards i mean i would i i would accept the caleb card if it were to come my way i'm not saying i would not love and cherish that type of card if i had it just just pointing out my thoughts so are these are they're they're ironing these on are they stitching these on and what is the removal process look like can we get an inside look at that tops i would like to know and i did see like on here at least on this mock up the drake may says nfl debut nine eight twenty four but that's not his act like he didn't start week one that year so it's not his actual permit you know it it was the whole men back to the mendoza of it all whereas like is the mendoza debut patch from that week one even though he never saw the field or is it from next week where you know he's getting his first start which is exciting news for for raiders fans and vikings fans i feel like somehow they both teams kind of won that trade but that the kirk cousins saga is hilarious dude get kirk kirko chainz back in minnesota man what this guy is the most interesting man in all of football and i can't wait for the documentary on it vikings fans man you you probably have weird feelings right now but you've gotta be jacked up i mean i think so anybody can save the season it is captain kirk man is it this is gonna be just electric to watch him back in minnesota for sure that as a chicago bears fan i do not like that move because i think minnesota got so much better like yes watching that bills game oh again a reminder of just their defense is incredible their defense is doing awesome things and if they just had a quarterback who wasn't carson wentz or just who could move the you know score twenty points and they they'd be they could win any game i think that's kirk cousins i mean he can he's got like twenty touchdowns this year already he does he can air it out and back with jefferson like yeah it's it's scary like the vikings were on the bottom of my nfc north power rankings and now that they have cousins back it's i hate that division the division is just a bloodbath so does does cousins because no one is really everyone has been like the quarterback play has been bad and it was so putrid on monday that we're gonna wake up this morning and we're gonna make a trade for kirk cousins like it's happened so fast that none of the conversation has been around like does does kirk cousins he just immediately supplants kyler murray once he's back right i think so did you wanna talk about funny quarterback rooms kirk cousins kyler murray and carson wentz and yeah and just the like cousins like the vikings can't get the quarterback thing right the letting the whole jj thing too the fact i was thinking that on monday night i'm like i bet they wish they had jj mccarthy right now like a young quarterback that has still upside i think i mean i know i've made fun of jj in nine and i feel like that had run its course at minnesota but also crazy to think of how fast a course can be ran these days where he's he seems like a capable quarterback in new york anyways right now he's you know having some moments but yeah to to have cousins leave to bring cousins back kyler in the locker room yeah it's that's a that's a funny situation we'll see how it plays out hopefully they can go get a w against the packers this week next next game is in is it in chicago vikings no it's in minnesota in minnesota like like little adversity there week yeah last week of the season so that'll we'll see if i'm sure seating and things will still be up in the air but i'll bring it on i'm ready like get him in a dome that first game was such a sloppy disaster yeah that shout out kirko shout out mendoza i'm excited to see mendoza take the reins and get his shot it's that's another throwback shout out quarterback sitting behind a quarterback for a while like you know we've gotten too accustomed to just throwing them out there right away and back in the day you know that was very taboo for a rookie quarterback to start right away you used to have to sit on the bench and pay your dues and endure like this old starter starting to taper off and like the chance for the young rookie to you know get their shot i'm thinking about it's crazy michael vick didn't start right away remember like that's right it just wouldn't happen like they it's like no like manning was kind of an outlier and even that that was ninety eight but vic i mean wait who is it chris chandler chris turner chris chandler would've been would've been my guest yeah so yeah vic started two games his rookie year late in the season exciting times coming up in the nfl but some other exciting times the football card pod pick'em league which last week we had a lot of perfect weeks last week last week was a very chalky week and shout out everyone who was able to participate so we had one two three four five six people went fifteen and o last week damn and that includes tk nast dobbs card guy saints card collector jax jags museum tim macintosh and gb gold ten you and i both went fourteen and one shout out us okay a lot of people went fourteen and one and i painfully have to admit i forgot to pick the thursday game which is my one loss last week i already got my pick in i know too scared after i did it once i i i've missed like three thursday games now which is just yeah i should be doing it right now i'm gonna do it right now just to make sure that that's in there and yeah so overall if looking at the leader board for full season we have a new undisputed leader and that is ls collects they have eighty six points they sit atop uncontested on the throne at eighty six and second at eighty five sole possession of second is knicks basketball pc and then in third at eighty four is tk nast who is at yeah eighty four in third place and then continuing on down we've got eighty three a couple at eighty two four at eighty one four at eighty seventy nine seventy eight so it's it's still tight at the top but that eighty six is starting to separate themselves so we're at the pretty much halfway point week nine yeah we've got nine weeks to go so keep getting your picks in and we'll we'll see who can take it home down the stretch and two other shout outs football card pod in the wild had a couple great ones this last week shout out charm city tim listening to the football card pod in aruba love that on vacation listening to us talk about football cards and football cards and then ajm cards i love this listening to the football card pod at state marching band finals not listening to the band not listening to the marching band to the pod going to an event that like part of the event is musical and sound and drowning that out with our voices is just hilarious to me the visuals of watching a you know like the ohio state biggest band in the land type performance and you all you're hearing is two guys talking about vince young and landale white so shout out agm card shout out charm city tim thank you for sharing your football card pods in the wild as always if you are listening to footballcard pod anywhere take a picture post it to your instagram story we will reshare it episode seventy three should we get into episode seventy three let's do it we've got an this is another great big ugly number we've got several hall of famers we've got larry allen john hannah joe cleco leo nominelli well namelini joe thomas arnie weinmeister and ron yari so that's one two three four five six seven hall of famers to wear seventy three so that's great you've got i'll let you tee it up first who do you wanna talk about for seventy three you well i originally when i was getting ready to go i was like i'm gonna pick joe thomas you're the adam on there so i was like fair enough like at least he's getting his credit and recognition so glad we're featuring him so i pivoted to larry allen which is i don't know man it's like this era where you're growing up and you only know like five linemen and larry allen was one of those he was on the cowboys from ninety four to o five and then a two thousand six two thousand seven stint with the forty niners super bowl champs six time first team all pro second t second team all pro once so part of the nineties and two thousands all decades team and a hundredth anniversary all team was digging for some larry allen stories and i found a couple that were great so the first one is as a rookie against the new orleans saints allen saved a certain pick six by sprinting across the field to tackle linebacker darianne conner from behind weighing three hundred and twenty five pounds allen tracked down a player seventy seventy five pounds lighter who had a full head of steam broadcaster dan deardorff lost his mind on live television declaring it one of the most impressive athletic feats he had ever seen so versatile man and then the second one might be even better than that one and it was after staying out all night during his first pro bowl in hawaii allen came back to find his wife furious to smooth things over and to smooth things over he won a forty thousand dollar prize from a beach bend bench press competition allen casually stepped up and repped two hundred and seventy five pounds roughly fifty times won the cash and handed it straight to her so this guy i mean blocked for emmitt smith just one of the best big uglies of all time not too many great cards but i thought this was cool it's ninety four playoff larry allen rookie in a psa ten just like in practice mode i mean just look at how big of a monster this guy is no wonder why emmitt smith rushed for so many damn yards i can't get this monster just creating holes across the field so larry allen was one of the greatest of all time man yeah what a resume to eleven time pro bowl six time first team all pro six straight from ninety six to two thousand one so just a stonewall over there at and he's playing all over actually it looks like ninety six and ninety seven he was a right guard ninety eight he played left tackle and ninety nine two thousand two thousand one he was back to left guard and then he finished his career the next five years as a left guard so kind of just versatile all over won a super bowl shout out larry allen i had to yes joe thomas i mean just one of those guys that i can't believe like how clearly i can remember the totality of his career from that browns draft and was that the same year they got brady quinn like they i feel like they got quinn year was he drafted two thousand seven brady quinn was yeah two thousand seven like they got quinn and joe thomas in the first round and it was like woah did the browns finally figure it out they got the franchise quarterback they got the the offensive lineman to hold him down the left tackle but yeah joe thomas played ten full seasons his last season he only played seven games he was kinda on his way out but during those ten his first ten seasons hundred and sixty out of a hundred and sixty games played and started and he had six first team all pros ap teams the three the four other years three three other years second team in o eight and twelve so just unreal and offensive rookie of the year he finished second in voting for offensive rookie of the year behind adrian peterson yeah so that's just incredible shout out offensive linemen getting votes like that and so i was looking up on pro football reference shout out pro football reference the highest av for numbers and number seventy three we've got larry allen is at fourth joe thomas is at seventh steve hutchinson at number one no steve hutch i don't think steve hutchinson was seventy three but number one is john hannah who i wasn't really familiar with john hannah but he was the a guard for the new england patriots and let's see here nine time pro bowler seven time first team all pro he played for the patriots from seventy three to eighty five started a hundred and eighty three out of a hundred and eighty three games that he played in hall of famer and just like reading his wikipedia i was like this guy his nickname is hog which is awesome like if you are the one offensive lineman that gets dubbed hog out of anyone else who has ever played that's there's something there that's impressive and he played football for alabama under bear bryant but his dad also was an offensive lineman who also played for the university of alabama and in the nfl herb hanna so there's just something about just growing up the son of a alabama and nfl offensive lineman where you're destined to also do the same it's pretty cool so shout out the hannah family but yeah just another one of these guys i love when a career is like that where it's like ten eleven twelve years you played every game you racked up six or seven first team all pros just the true true big ugly yeah big ugly autumn marches on so i'll you're right steve hutchinson was remembered for wearing seventy six which we'll talk about hutchinson then but he had a stint with the titans and he wore seventy three with the titans so but wow great pull from you thinking about it i very very forgettable but anyways we march on we we will talk about i'm a i'm a big steve hutchinson guy so we'll we'll reserve the appropriate episode where he built his hall of fame career wearing the number we'll wait for seventy six yeah alright and then i was looking up joe thomas' highest selling cards so his highest selling in his highest selling card ever was in august fifth two thousand three it's his two thousand seven bowman chrome rookie autograph red out of five bgs nine five auto ten sold for eighteen hundred dollars back in august of twenty three and then he's got some other contenders playoff ticket autos that have sold and i think my favorite that i'm seeing is his o seven topps chrome red refractor just the true rookie base red refractor psa ten pop two sold for eleven hundred dollars in january of twenty twenty three so i imagine all the best joe thomas cards are in like one collection yeah and i would imagine if any of these cards like joe thomas's super fracture rookie any of these came up they would do insane numbers because even though he was not in the best situation in cleveland he's one of the all time greats at his position and it's undisputed across the football community so shout out joe thomas yep alright should we get into some questions let's do it okay first up from drake's pc if you each could travel back in time and give one nfl player who never became a hobby superstar the same level of collector demand as tom brady for example who would you choose and why and you can't pick someone you currently collect the irony here is you have already mentioned the player which i wasn't expecting decided to take a little nod to the irish and i put brady quinn because vince young already is allegedly based on this sale so you mentioned the draft and brady quinn up until this year as a notre dame football fan was the best quarterback that i had seen at notre dame and obviously cj carr who's the front runner for the heisman right now matches that but i always thought brady quinn would have been a better pro i just think about like every time i think about his professional career i think about the he had a commercial for some supplement eas and at the end of it he just said now i'm done and i just remember that i don't know why i i don't think of like i like think of brady quinn in two worlds like amazing quarterback at the university of notre dame that i love and then his nfl career and i just think of the eas commercial but yeah i don't know it'd be there's enough notre dame fans out there to support actually dude a brady quinn one of one came up for sale on ebay recently and it was like a hundred bucks dude and it was like a playoff one of one and i like looked at it and i was like man this is cool it's a hundred or or obo and i was like do i buy this and i decided to start doing some research on the set in real time and found out that i gotta go back and look it up but i found out that that year for whatever reason there were four different one of ones and this is was one of the four and it i don't know it just it made it less interesting to me and then i like forgot about it and then saw like it the it had ended and it's sold for like maybe like sixty bucks and i'm like i i probably should have bought it for sixty bucks but maybe one day i'll start the brady quinn pc before it reaches the tom brady heights wow love that speaking of tom brady heights the highest selling brady quinn card of all time his two thousand seven finest moments dual autograph brady quinn tom brady wow nine sold in october of last year for four thousand dollars wow imagine like when that card was first pulled and just the hype around brady brady quinn and tom brady was you know was already already had a bunch of success the brady brady of it all michigan notre dame of it all yeah that card was probably massive but then if i scroll a little further in june of this year and we may have talked about this on the football card pod his two thousand seven topps chrome super fracture rookie sold for twenty one hundred dollars back in june which hey if you if you wanna that to have like the best brady quinn card of all time for twenty one hundred dollars not a bad you know there's worse car there's worse ways to spend two thousand dollars there is go back to that dual sale though and how much did you say the brady and brady was four thousand and it was a one of one no it's out of twenty okay out of twenty so that card obviously i'm sure was like on sell sheets and stuff and just like think of that like think of like a hyped up card like that and that was like the peak during that era and it's like think about like the same scenario but that card coming out now and what it would fetch it's just like a card like that you can see the story and look at the data and it just tells you where we've been and where we're at now and the question is like where are we going next yeah like tom brady fernando mendoza dual auto right now i think would sell for more than four thousand dollars i think you're probably right but back to drake's question if you could travel back in time and give one nfl player who never became a hobby superstar the same level of collector demand like i don't understand the motive here like why like why i was curious too there's always angles with drake yeah what's he is he trying to get us to name darren mcfadden or something well i thought it might be like to mention peyton manning but like peyton manning like i can't i wouldn't be able to mention him because he's a guy i i like and collect so i more target is like who do i wish panned out and i i just put johnny football johnny manziel good answer what a what a guy what a like he was begging to be collected like if he had had even if he had had the vince young career instead of like his career i think he would still be a very collected player if he had won rookie of the year and you know had a couple successful or decently successful seasons i think that would have you know he could have been collected forever he still is collected i think people yes will always be fond of johnny football what do you think about what do you i mean hell his in september is one of his variation finite sold for eighty four hundred dollars as rookie manziel but like what like what i actually like because there's nostalgia involved and there's probably an opportunity to buy cards for a lot less than some of the different collecting lanes we can go down i think and if you're out there and you have one of these please send me a message because i wanna follow you and i wanna see your collection but the individual who collects nfl cards of college players that's what i wanna see i wanna see i wanna see the the brady quinn collection the vince young collection mhmm and just all these players who never really panned out in the nfl that's what i wanna see like one collector who collects all of them or individually just like i'm collecting nfl duds who are college stars yeah that's a great great lane great angle and the fact that you could be picking up the very best of those cards for you know two thousand dollars is not nothing but in the grand scheme of things if you're collecting cards for a couple years you should be able to scrape enough sales together to to grab a card like that and yeah like if that brady quinn super the more i'm looking at it if that just popped up right now buy it now two grand on ebay it would be hard not to to convince myself that i need that i would be tempted and i would try to have this conversation with myself but yeah i would be tempted for sure okay next up from rogato two given the popularity of rare nineties inserts will panini one of one or super super short print inserts become popular chase cards i i'm not sure that the insert innovation of the panini era is quite there i don't wanna like be a generalist because i'm not really an insert guy so there is probably awesome inserts that i just don't know about but i think what's hurting inserts in the panini era is it inserts are available at the same time where there's this proliferation of one of ones and i just think like if you go back to the nineties like the one of one game was very very simplified and it was not even promoted or necessarily something collectors really chased because it seemed so out of reach and so that's why those collectors pivoted into these inserts and the inserts in that era like were incredible and they pushed the way we think about cards and think about like you know molten metal anything like that the arena designs put together like those hold up now like jambalaya like they're really cool inserts and so i just like when i think of the panini arrow inserts are like the maybe like twelfth thing i think about so i i wouldn't bet on it but again i'm not an insert guy so i don't really know i i don't know how like kabooms and downtowns are like two of the biggest cards in the hobby like not we aren't those collectors but like when you buy any metric i do think panini's inserts are some of the most popular cards i think i disregarded them based on the the the way those car like the popular it's like a prolonged thing it's not the same as like dunkin' donuts which was like a one year yeah one off exactly that's what an insert set feels like like the the fact that kabooms have been going on every year it almost feels like a set or like a a brand versus an insert yes so i no i hear you there but i do think that i mean it's so hard to say like what is gonna happen you know in the next several years ten years whatever but i do think there's something about inserts where there are cool insert sets out there that maybe are undiscovered or just you know they're not a kaboomer downtown so people aren't really maybe paying as much attention i think what i like about inserts or the idea of inserts is there's something nice about the ability to like have a set collecting type mission but with a more attainable scope where like okay i wanna complete something but collecting a set in this day and age is like so hard you know if you wanna do the base card sure you can do a three hundred card base set but you know with parallels and all that but if you wanted to go for you know name your parallel of this insert where the checklist is like fifteen players and it's from an era you like or like you like all the players i think i i feel like that will always kind of be a thing and if you know ten years from now i'm like wow i really wanna you know have some part of my collection that commemorates two thousand and twenty five and i'm looking for a way to do that i could see myself finding an insert set that like the checklist is right it has the players i like it has some parallels i'm able to try and complete that project without having to like commit to an entire set so are you i don't know are you trying to complete that project in standard traditional form or because we have a new dynamic in the insert game in the panini era you have the paralleled insert so i would do a parallel okay you would do a parallel see that that is another interesting yeah the parallel just took over it invaded everything it's invading the inserts it's invading it and i think a lot of this is probably because of the way the product is distributed and how it's opened has changed and we need these moments that are on camera so there is a lot there but yeah i've not gone i i bet if i spent a week trying to understand twenty thirteen panini football insert sets within products i'm sure that exercise would be a lot of fun and mhmm would it compel me to wanna go buy something i don't know but like you gotta go do the work to figure it out yeah and i do think though there were some i don't wanna disrespect panini like lackadaisical insert sets there were some that to me i just felt like all you're doing is like changing the name of the insert like fearless across the top or like yeah fearless emergent or like they're just it's just like a different big word on the top of a card and i the emergent the emergent insert out of prism is come on yeah it just doesn't do much for me when the only thing that differentiates all these different inserts is a big word at the top and it's not even i don't know that the creativity is not necessarily on par with big men on court or just some of those other classics that people have grown to love so safe to say for is iconic and is top of the mountain prism is in defining the panini era the prism insert game sucks sucks i mean it's just not good like i gotta pull up some of these like the like who are we just talking about oh burrow like twenty twenty prism football i feel like everyone loves some twenty twenty and the insert sets aurora all out brilliance yeah these are the ones i'm thinking of like brilliance does have some credibility because it lasts it has tenure it is longevity agreed agreed but even the like it's just a big word brilliance emergent fireworks yeah what does that mean what does that mean brilliance like yeah are they're just selecting the top guys like in football and putting them in and calling them hype hype illumination and lockdown and like i get it okay lockdown you've got like a secondary guy but i don't know some of the i don't need the big word inserts that that's all i've got to say i guess unstoppable sensational like come on they're just words give me a phrase big man on court dunkin' go nuts like a little creativity could would help even fireworks i'm looking at these fireworks ones they are the design is cool like the visuals of fireworks is so fun to play with having to say fireworks at the top of the card it's like you know did you need that like isn't the firework explosion in the background conveying that point enough did you really have to go out there and blatantly also say like hey by the way these are fireworks the the in case you missed it they they had a chance early on i think about twenty thirteen inserts in prism and i think that was the first year where they did like monday night heroes that's pretty that's a cool one i like that and like it's cool a time and a place and and some of these are very cool i'm not trying to knock the like if if you collect these have at it go for it but yeah there's just there's something there we we should do an entire episode on all the things prism did wrong we could talk inserts we could talk about sticker autos we could talk about unworn patches i mean everyone's like oh you talk too much about prism and how great it is well i can turn heel on prism there's plenty to talk shit about i like that the heel turn episode okay next up from bolt card crew and this is this was swirling in the dms a couple people messaged the football card pod about this but thoughts on a football set bracket there seems to be appetite from the listeners to engage in some type of bracket to determine what is the best football card set so i think i think we'd have to unpack this a little bit to figure out like what is the best way to approach something like that this if we were to like do we call for nominations try and whittle that down to like a pool of thirty two and do a bracket but then i'm thinking like if we have to make a bracket for thirty two we have to rank them to get seeds and like doesn't that in itself give us our answer like whatever our number one seed is mhmm is the one or like like you know who are the the qualified experts to make these calls or is it like do we start a weekly kinda king of the hill thing where it's like this set versus this set and the winner moves on and then the next week it's this that set versus another set yeah i don't know there's all sorts of ways to do it but just wanted to throw that out there and also maybe to the listeners if listeners are interested in this or have ideas of how to to do something like this but it seems like a football card pod bracket and maybe we time with the playoffs maybe we give ourselves some time to figure out something to to do here but thoughts brett i've got i've got an idea because i do not like this is the best because we say so like i don't like that content so i would never like wanna do you and i defies this list and we just spend our time talking about which is the best because i think that content sucks but as i'm thinking through this there might be an opportunity it's gotta we gotta get the voice of the community we gotta get you out there listening to to tell us we need you to know and maybe there's an opportunity to pair a like do matchups and have the results based on the card call out so who however many posts of a matchup oh whoever whoever shares the most because that that that shows quantity it shows passion and so maybe that's what we can figure out is like how the card callout can help us create this bracket and then we can you know track it and see what happens and at the end of it you know we have a champion yeah no i like that like that requires you to get out and vote then like you very often got your cars out take the picture and submit you can you're not just clicking a button on a poll like you have to have some skin in the game i like that so maybe because shouldn't that be it like the in order i feel like in order to per vote cast your vote like i don't i don't want you voting on something you don't have in your case like mhmm it to cast your ballot like you gotta have the cards and you need to show that so i don't know like i think there might be something it might not be that straightforward but there's something in that card callout that we can good thought i like that and that gives the card callout some more juice which we need so we'll keep noodling on it if you have thoughts on the bracket idea let us know in the football card pod dms we'll figure that out next up from blackhat cards are sticker autos the nickelback of the hobby universally mocked wildly successful and secretly enjoyed by millions of people who would never admit it publicly i liked where chad was going with this until that last part because yeah i don't i i've this is one thing i i will say about myself in the work i do i get into a lot of weird conversations with a lot of you all all the time because it's part of the job and we get nerdy and seven years i've been doing this i have never heard anyone and i know you said it's like secret but i've never heard anyone like talk about them loving sticker autos i i'd few most collectors disdain them so i was tracking up until that last little part that you put out yeah same like nickelback has hits like i can't deny a hit like a song that charts and is a hit and i love hits but a sticker auto has never been a hit never even like a sleeper like guilty pleasure hit where i've been like oh yeah i'm i'm not telling all my friends i love this band but i'm listening to them by myself it's like no like that is disrespectful to nickelback to compare sticker autos to them in my opinion like a sticker auto is a band i would never listen to sticker auto is just a bad cover band they're just like so like you don't even wanna seek that out like and maybe maybe once in a while that cover band is playing you know some ccr or playing like a nice tom petty song and you're like this is sick they sound really good but then you remember it's a cover band and it's not the real thing and you want nothing to do with it so i don't know i just can't i i like this thought process and where he was going but i just cannot agree and yeah i don't think there are any closet sticker fans out there that are like secretly loving them or may maybe there are but i don't know it's not that's disrespectful to nickelback to put them in the same sentence as sticker process is there anything worse than the individuals who try to sell us cards on the marketplaces and turn up the resolution so much that you can't tell that it's a sticker yeah you gotta can't do that you gotta disclose that it's a sticker but i will say not all sticker autos are created equal i do think there are some like i'm specifically thinking about playoff contenders where like the sticker is the shiny like silver that's not bad that's the way to do it then there's like a stamp on top of it yeah it just like looks different or even it doesn't always make sense like when there's like a cut auto of like a new player in it's like kind of a sticker or the same thing where you know it's like they probably signed a sheet of these and they inserted this into the card but it just feels better than the sticker the sticker i just can't do them just can't can't do a sticker i can't do it can't win with it this is what i think my point of contention is is when you have a player take peyton manning for instance peyton manning has signed hundreds of thousands of cards he's a signer and it's when you know you can get a on card peyton manning auto very easily because his autograph is everywhere it's like joe montana's autograph is everywhere but like when you have a card that let's say is a one of one but then the like the easiest thing they can do is just have manning on card autograph but that card has a sticker autograph and it's like singh manning's autograph on card so often that when i see it on a sticker it lit it's like nails on a chalkboard and it's like i'm like i i just could never buy this because like his autograph yeah he signs everything but he's signing a sticker here on this card and so like that's always a huge point of contention with me when i'm looking through safe searches yep absolutely okay last up this was from chargers pc sports cards and a topic i think we kinda touched on last week but i just wanted to give you know a chargers fan a safe space to be heard it's been too painful to watch football the last six weeks or so does that make me less of a fan it's the same reason i gave up fantasy football years ago what's the formula for turning the page and looking forward to next year when your team is such a dumpster fire congrats to everyone who's got a horse in the race still but i don't wanna hear it love it i'm with you pal i'll so i have i have cold season tickets and i can honestly say when i woke up in north granger indiana on the decision was already made but because my team stinks so bad i was like there's no way i am waking up early and rushing to indianapolis to then go from an awesome experience at the notre dame game to go watch the colts play the cowboys at lucas oil so i was like no thanks i did i did i watch the game of course like when i got home sat tv was on just passively watched it you know you gotta just look forward i know it's tough but this trade deadline for me like john you've been at this spot we've talked about this but it's like my mindset is like okay like we got rid of expiring contracts mhmm we got ten draft picks for next season now do we have a first rounder no but when you've got ten draft picks and you've got a player like jonathan taylor could you package that up after the season to get into the first round so like those types of thing and then dude i've been i've been just digging into the quarterback college quarterbacks digging into all the draft stuff and it's been fun and that's why maybe it's easy for me because it is such a reboot such a reset and in order to reboot or reset anything you need a quarterback so we have to have a quarterback and we will be drafting a quarterback so it's you know you're trying to figure this out now the toughest part for me is the not having the first round pick because right now we'd be pick four which it's like could we have gotten cj carr there it's like god and so like i'm trying to like not kill myself over that but i think there's it sucks man i i feel you man it sucks i want this season to be over i want the playoffs to be here i just wanna watch playoff football but it's you gotta figure out things to kinda keep you interested cards are away but looking at kind of what guys are available i think as crazy as it sounds like i think the chargers fans might have it more challenging than colts fans just because it's so unexplainable and you're not it's there's been no indicator that it's like we need a reboot we need to reset everything you're just kind of in this limbo land where for me i've been given the closure on this era yeah i'm i'm moving forward into the next one so i'm i'm future state right now which is it's kind of a fun place to be honestly and it took me a few weeks to get there but now that i'm here i'm i'm doing alright yes speaking as someone who's been through multiple rebuilds and all phases of it i would rather be at the like i have severed emotional ties with the previous quarterback like just that idea of what the offense is like i'm i'm not holding on to hope that like it's gonna work out next year which is the tough spot that chargers fans are in right now where it's like you're still hoping herbert can turn back into you know the justin herbert we've seen in the regular season at times where it's like okay this is a really good quarterback but like i remember that you know year three justin fields it's like alright this is the year like year three they're gonna take the step like this is this is it and then they're not good but you're convincing yourself that like you know if just this this and this were right he would be good like the line's not good his receivers aren't good the coordinator sucks like all these other things but when you finally are just like no that's not working and now i can just look forward to a draft and yeah hey brock purdy seventh round like there are quarterback gems beyond the first round i think that's that's a fun i would rather be in the colts position a colts fan than a chargers fan right now sorry to all my chargers fans but because they they haven't started the rebuild yet or it's not quite clear they're still clinging to they've dumped their hope into one iteration of the team it's once they've just fully sever ties there and have dumped it into the next person like like whoever the colts draft at quarterback hey that's gonna be fun that you just get to yes pour yourself into yes them all this optimism blind and i got time they they they can suck they can suck out of the gate i you got time and and maybe it ends up with them sucking and i'm right back where i'm where i was but hope that's what we need as fans some sort of hope being able to have hope in without like any like oh yeah there have been times that they stunk like right now it'd be impossible to dump all your hope into justin herbert you just can't because you've there's you remember what they've done to you in the past so yeah i think but for our chargers fans i think look backwards that's what i always would you know look to the past if like watch some latavian tom watch some tom maher highlights i mean he's got the all the records like i would just pin my hat to that and keep pouring into him or you know find something else like pc and exciting player on a winning team that's not your team like if you want to still be invested in the current season like that and it doesn't have to be everything like that's everything you're buying but like oh my god jameer gibbs is sick and he's like in the nfc and not the afc he doesn't feel like a rival i wanna just buy a cool jameer gibbs card and root for him to maybe get close to the lt record like that's where i'd go is like just find some other way some other player who's on like a contending franchise like if that's what you're seeking out to like because he said congrats everyone who has a horse in the race still like you could still get a horse in the race just you know whatever level that means to you did did anybody think at the start of the season the marriage between mike mcdaniel and john harbaugh would would work that's the question they just seem like the completely opposite types and i have not watched probably for the better because i've got my own dumpster fire i've not watched enough chargers game to understand like what's actually happening but like the contrast there i think is very very interesting especially like harbaugh just wants to run the ball mike mcdaniel wants to be innovative so like that's interesting and yeah what i don't wanna open up a can of worms but like i don't really know like how like how did we get here like how did what happened you know and looking at the rest of the schedule so the chargers have they might win this week monday that's we have to watch this about picking them dude on the pick i picked the ravens but i i i thought about picking them i i almost did but like i'm also like i can't pick a team who hasn't won yet like i just can't do it but i thought about it but they've got the the ravens on monday night football that's just why are we why are we so everyone gets to watch them yeah yeah finally i'll be able to see what's going on and then they've got the jets so okay some possible wins for the chargers but then after that it's right back to patriots bucks forty niners they still got a chiefs game broncos raiders and dolphins so the chargers realistically like four and thirteen is the best case scenario i think for the chargers this season which is crazy optimistic and that's optimistic yeah so yeah look to the past or find something else just just get away from the chargers like if it's is herbert broken dude i think so i i think there's it's like the playoff games were so terrible and then usually there was recovery and you know he's back you know slinging it down the field the next year and this year it just the reset didn't happen it was like he was stuck in the that the putrid play so in eight games he's got six touchdowns eleven interceptions that's four averaging a hundred and ninety eight yards per game contrasted with his sophomore season his second year where he threw for five thousand yards thirty eight touchdowns and averaging nearly three hundred yards a game dude it doesn't make any sense just a different player i don't know it's fascinating to watch but herbert's still someone that i don't know new new situation like would you take herbert jonathan taylor for justin herbert straight up oh i don't know man that's that that is a crazy question i would have said yes a million times before that but part of me just wants the the no scars like yeah fresh quarterback out of college i would rather i'd rather keep taylor and have that than dude i the just the justin herbert like pumpkin thing during the playoffs always like really turned me off and then this season has me like i can't even dude i can't do a retread and it might be the the most attractive retread situation of all time but i i am done with the retreads give me like place your bet on someone in the draft and hope it works out i'd much rather play that game yep yep yep yep oh man shout out to all of our chargers good questions yeah thank you everybody alright couple things we'll do an nfl check-in some sales and get out of here any any other nfl topics we didn't fully cover no kirk cousins we did obviously but well one thing i do wanna just mention really quick is like this narrative i see online about jonathan taylor and everyone feeling bad for him and i'm just like dude like you feel bad for him this guy decided to take the money he took the contract which gives him money but it does not give him options that's that's what a deal does and so people are like i feel bad he's in this situation feel bad for what the fact that he's one of the highest paid running backs of the league and he's gonna get that money over and over again like you you could feel bad for him if the colts were holding him hostage but they're not and you know he hasn't publicly like he's been pretty professional about this whole situation so i think as a fan watching this and letting it all play out it's like the colts had all the leverage like they were just you know trying to be like if you're gonna give us a first round pick you can have them but they were waiting for that to happen and it didn't happen and now you just hold them and it's like okay well maybe we can package second and the third and jonathan taylor to get into that first round and so that's the whole thing and so jonathan taylor's a pro i could i'd be very happy if he was starting a running back for the new colts next year if we traded them in a package with draft picks and got into the first i'd be happy too so as a fan like it's been a miserable season obviously but the fact that like we got rid of expiring contracts and got more draft picks like that makes me happy so yeah yeah i just the the people feeling bad it's like dude he signed a contract he's getting paid millions of dollars and when you do that you give up your options like that's what happens yeah no absolutely and that's a good i didn't even think about trading him in picks to get in the first but that makes sense and i would bet that that's what's gonna happen and there's some team with multiple firsts of the jets what if that happened to three just get that one of those picks up studied it all man i've looked at all the angles i've i've studied it all i'm looking at the multiple draft picks it's like i've already seen the draft board already i'm in that mode right now yeah no the one the one gripe i'll have on my personal the bears front the caleb williams front threw four interceptions on sunday night football it was it was rough in my estimation goodbye to the mvp hopes with that performance i think so he had to play like a perfect season because he missed three games like just because his overall season numbers are not there but like just like watching pundits and like there was like a narrative they're like oh we saw caleb revert back to the old caleb like back to it and i'm like caleb's rookie year he threw twenty touchdowns and six interceptions like last year he threw under ten inter he doesn't throw inter this was not the old caleb like there's just this becomes this easy talking point of like yep it's back to his old ways careless caleb it's like that's not a thing he's never turned it over he had like of his like forty games he's played three of them he has multiple interceptions like i trust the thirty six games where he hasn't thrown multiple interceptions to be like the the standard so yeah i don't know it's it was such a weird game like they won but just all the negative discourse that came out of it was was crazy but again i will not apologize for seventy two seven and two and i'm so glad jeffrey simmons is a bear that guy he changed everything on the defense he is just a monster this the the second half of the season is about to be a gauntlet though they've got such a tough schedule coming up especially with how good the nfc north is so it'll be fun with like more prime time games the thanksgiving day christmas day and then the bills on saturday night like before christmas is or yeah actually they play bills saturday night and then like short week packers on christmas day so entertaining games for a a fan just wanting to watch football i'm excited about that yeah and shout out luther burton i love luther burton so much he is so sick let's do some sales and get out of here alright we are we gotta bring him up justin herbert oh yeah his twenty twenty six topps flagship all kings one of one sold at fanatics weekly for eight thousand one hundred dollars so this is the power of the hyped up case hit insert in this era one of one you still have a believer spending eighty one hundred dollars on this card i mean considering so for context the caleb williams sold for thirty seven thousand dollars recently so the market now has herbert as one fifth net essentially there and what would this herbert have sold for in twenty twenty one i think this is like a six hundred thousand dollar card it's definitely six figures yeah yeah six figures for sure that's an interesting proposition right there that card would have been out of here i i love these cards i love the all kings i think they just look so cool the foil is awesome the shine's awesome i wish they had an out of ten they just have the regular all kings and then there's a one of one like that's the only parallel which i mean is pretty cool we we are always advocating for less parallels but i do wish there was like a give me the gold out of ten that like i could maybe get into as a collector because i want i do want a caleb williams of this card but they're just so expensive to like even you know get in there and and i don't wanna spend that much money for just like the common one that there's who knows how many of but i just i love this design and yeah there's still a herbert believer out there i guess still a believer alright twenty four national treasures patrick mahomes platinum one of one and a psa ten four thousand eight hundred dollars at phonetics weekly i wanted to bring up this card because i'm curious your thoughts and the question is are base set one of ones from premium products underrated looking at that justin herbert sale compared to this yes i mean i'd rather have this card ten times over i'd rather spend eight thousand dollars on this card than like with knowing it sold for forty eight hundred than yes that justin herbert all kings i mean people love national treasures this is a great photo cool looking card a one of one and it's a psa ten i mean this just checks so many boxes as a premium card to own and so this again i i have not looked up other sales from this set parallel but and i yeah maybe this just seems underpriced is what i'm getting at and i don't know if that's because national treasures is known for the like more patch auto stuff so like just the base card one of one flew under the radar but i don't know this card's sick yeah i mean i just think that there's never any conversations about these cards the base set one of ones from flawless from national treasures and i think about like mahomes catalog and you just think about all the years he was in in in nt and then you think about all the base set cards and then you that like i don't know when you start to break stuff down it becomes more and more interesting but like i think these cards are great like i the i like these cards the bay but i'm a base set guy i like these cards more than like whatever they're manufacturing from a patch not a perspective in twenty twenty four yeah hundred percent and now i i'm kinda looking into it i don't know if there's because there's other one of ones like in twenty twenty four national treasures there's a gold vinyl one of one of the base set so it's like maybe that's gold vinyl and national treasures yeah there's a there's a caleb on ebay i'm looking at it right now i think i like the thousand dollars or something hundred k obo oh my god ugh gold vinyl and national treasures it's like yeah it doesn't doesn't look quite right but the plat i like the platinum this platinum looks yeah the platinums are sick and the one of one on the front of the card i love a one of one on the front look at the action shot too yeah is that platform i can't tell in the background it looks like maybe a bills player which would you know that's fun for the rivalry or maybe that's i don't know but yeah awesome awesome card alright we move over to we're talking sticker on this with a patch but the two thousand six topps paradigm autograph nfl logos ladanian tomlinson singh sold for four thousand three hundred and twenty dollars now beggars can't be choosers on these shields in this era this is a set paradigm that i'm not very familiar with cool shot of ladanian on it sticker auto shield what do you say cool card i will say the the outline around the shield looks like the equipment shield but that they didn't cut it out mhmm it's like i don't like that the shield isn't centered in that little design thing sure i don't know this just feels like they miscalculated something or like they thought that they were getting equipment shields and then they got this shield and they're like wait what we have to cut out a different like we we have the outline to cut out for the equipment shield and then we have to just cut out a normal shield so that that's just the first miscommunication yeah so that i see and then the sticker auto of it all but i mean it gave you it was is this game used i guess we should be careful because yeah i don't have i don't i can't look at the back of the card on card i don't wanna say i can't i'll get it wrong but of all the shield auto cards i've seen this does look pretty slick with like cool shot of tomlinson and it's got a shield but that sticker auto that doesn't and that sticker doesn't even look like it's on there smooth it looks like it's got air bubbles under it so come on twenty sixteen rookie jared goff gold one of one addis spectra one thousand nine hundred and fifty dollars i love this card i love these sets like spectra it's got the gold vinyl appeal they just call it gold but it's like jared goff it's a rookie card it's a one of one it's got these elements and i don't know like we've kinda talked about this like jared goff has just been so productive in his nfl career and his cards still you know sit at this level obviously you've got like him starting his career with the rams but like really making himself in detroit and that might turn some collectors off based on the jersey he's wearing but to me like this seems like a great buy yeah golf yeah gets no hobby love for whatever reason i can't quite figure it out maybe it's like he's not as flashy as some other guys but his numbers are just ridiculous he is on pace to he's gonna like end up there with like stafford career numbers and like favre he's gonna pass favre in like touchdowns probably in the next few years like he's got that's crazy to say like imagine after he got traded to detroit that you presented that like you'd laugh at it yeah he's got two hundred and seventy one career touchdowns right now in eleven years so he's throwing twenty five touchdowns a year for his career and that includes a rookie season where he only played seven games so you take that out of the equation he's averaging twenty seven touchdowns a year in five years he will cross four hundred and be into that territory with some of those other big names and like he'll still just be in his mid thirties at that point he's thirty two right now so yeah he's and he's went he went to one super bowl you know he's been good with the lions yeah i don't know i don't know if it's what it will take and maybe the switching teams of it all but yeah goff this great buy if you're just like a goff fan collector like a rookie one of one of this type of player for two grand i'd rather have this than the brady quinn super factor you would okay yeah that's probably a sound decision final card i just like i selected this card because it just seemed this was a if these cards are selling for this right now i might be in the game and so this was a twenty fourteen peyton manning flawless psa nine out of fifteen the ruby version sold for two thousand five hundred and fifty dollars it's a pop two first year of the game worn flawless patches these this set is so great it looks so good only thing holding me back is the fact that manning's in a broncos jersey but i've made some exceptions for the rules what i love about these cards is at the very very bottom in the small font it says signature game worn sing game worn on the front that's what you need that's what you need twenty four flawless you know part of the problem with these cards is the surface and the autographs aren't great and you can like see like this is actually a pretty good auto for from a lot of what i've seen on manning it has some spots on it but that patch is sick you've got three colors i mean i i can tell you i've spent twenty five hundred dollars on stuff not as cool as this that's for damn sure i think this is a great buy this was sold on ebay via mc sports cards yeah i was watching this on ebay like okay it came across it i was watching it and saw it and i'm so glad you linked to it because my first reaction was like i should have bought that card like that's what i i was like that card sold for what like exactly like you said i've had so many worse purchases in this range that are worse than a twenty fourteen first year game worn flawless patch auto three color yeah i mean it's just an awesome card the the auto i feel like is a little streaky i think you know i think there's purists out there that that probably knocked it a little bit and that's probably why it doesn't have an automatic autos are hard to come by on this product right but to your point that surface is tough and it at first glance the auto looks great like i've seen worse yeah streaky autos but this is a a i'd put the nba sticker on this auto of autos this it's like it's you know it's better than most most streaky autos it's in the top ten percent of streaky autos so yeah awesome card this made me like i literally wanna go look at other twenty fourteen flawlesses and see is there just like other opportunity of other cool players out there if manning's if a great manning copy is out of fifteen is going for twenty five hundred yeah awesome this is a card that i would look i would purchase and i would be like this isn't in my collection forever but because the price is so good this is this is like a stash exactly way of forget i even own it you know this would be the card yeah i would stash it and have it and hope that it's appreciating in value and then when a priest owns card comes up that i need to sell something for i can just sell that and sell a beautiful peyton manning card for a priest owns card yeah deal of the century congrats to whoever won that yep okay collecting updates any collecting pickups i i i got my turkey red wood border rivers in the mail and dude the cart is so sick i was like i am so happy i bought this and it the fact that it was raw i was like i had it like i should've i moved it up to my case because i was afraid my kid was gonna grab it but i had it like sitting here with the last couple days and i wish i would've kept it today so i could hold it up but dude big big big fan of that card that's awesome are you grading it i'll eventually it's a little off centered but you know i had grade everything no matter what just because consistency but yeah it'll eventually make its way over to psa awesome yeah no pickups here but i did get this in the mail and this the same thing this has not left my desk for the past few days i just have been admiring the pre storm super fracture two thousand five finest how sad it how like now that you made the decision you made the moves big decisions money involved like grading everything now it's back like do you feel validated i would have paid more like yeah it's like all that's gone although any of the worries when i was like oh how am i gonna pull this off i gotta sell these this i gotta sell a dj more finite like i gotta you know all these concerns i had all gone this card rules i'm sorry when you know yep alright card callout last week finest i loved the turnout for our finest call out and it made me like think let's let's keep going down that rabbit hole of certain brands it's nice and broad it gets people involved i think there's lots of you know finest is obviously a top tier brand that people love and honestly maybe instead of sets brands could be part of some sort of bracket yeah could be interesting but i was thinking maybe a couple options like doing like a prism or a flawless like those types of things or like paper cards or on card autograph cards i think like maybe some sort of broader genre like that could be fun any anything stand out to you i think we pay tribute to this manning sale and i know the collectors love it and they flawless we're gonna see some sick cards let's do flawless flawless let's see your flawless cards post them to your instagram story tag the football card pod on instagram we will reshare get 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