hello and welcome to the football card podcast this is it you made it it's friday and you're listening to the fastest growing podcast in the entire world that's centered on football cards and most importantly football cards i'm your host john aka pat nicholson and with me as always is mister stacking slabs himself brett how are you doing i'm well exciting times it's been a busy morning so i am leaving for fanatics fest tomorrow and i was trying to check into my flight and it wasn't finding my reservation which sent chills down my spine called american airlines found out of course and somewhere in the process i put in the wrong year that i was born but problem problem resolved all checked in also it's gonna be a whirlwind so i am attending one of my favorite bands of all time the strokes they're playing in noblesville kinda your hometown ruoff here mhmm so i saw the strokes room on fire tour in two thousand three i saw the strokes play primavera sound for my thirtieth birthday in twenty fifteen and now i see the strokes once again in twenty twenty six so how is that for longevity so i'm i feel like i'm gonna be just gonna be a crew of all people around my age everyone probably spending a lot of money on a babysitter tonight but that's what i got going on i i i hear you might have a concert as well happening yeah we are as soon as we finish recording this we're heading up to chicago the land of caleb williams and the bears to see noah khan at wrigley field so got these tickets like a long time ago my wife's a big fan and we saw him at ruoff two years ago three years ago and like he's just electric live great live performer and so we're like oh yeah we'll we'll go again whenever he's around bought these tickets but didn't really realize it was a wednesday a wednesday show is brutal like if when traveling of distance for the show so yeah just kinda middle of the week messing up some some of just my work of just taking a full wednesday and thursday morning off because going to chicago is great when you gain that hour but coming home and losing the hour is always a little brutal it is be a great show yes it is it's you gotta prioritize fun sometimes so sounds like we're doing that tonight and then i'm sure i'll have a full report on football cards that i saw at fidetics fest which i can't believe yeah it's the planning gods didn't really work in my favor concert probably stay out late and get home and wake up early for a flight but this is what you do you know this is the hobby the strokes is this the first time they've toured in a while it's the fur they they've done some little spot shows here and there every year but they've got a new album which was supposed to be released already but they delayed it so this is supporting their new album which i believe comes out in july but i don't know i don't think they have as a band they individually they've played but i don't think they've played indie or the surrounding areas since two thousand three so yeah it's gonna be a a big night it's fun all we've got six seats and it's like every all my high school buddies everyone who came of age listening to is this it and room on fire we're all gonna be we're all gonna be singing our hearts out so hoping julian and and the team bring it i've been avoiding the clips of them on tiktok playing the tour i've been avoiding the set lists i just i just wanna go and i wanna be surprised yeah that's awesome i was never a huge strokes fan like never didn't like them like i love is this it is awesome but just never was like a diehard fan i'll say that but recently revisited is this it it's like oh my god every song on this is like a hit like a known hit it's just it's that's an incredible record it it literally changed my life so yeah i i can't i can't wait but we've got we've got a little time and we've got a lot to talk about so should we just get into it yeah let's rock episode fifty six can you believe that episode fifty six of the football card pod shout out all the loyal listeners of the football card podcast shout out card ladder our wonderful wonderful sponsors of the football card podcast before we get into numbers you put down a very interesting opening topic that is we gotta dive in here i've been trying to find a way to integrate what is happening in the world cup to something football card and pod related and you send over the doc on tuesdays and i sit there and i try to think of something and i just put together this and i think this would be fun to explore the international side of the nfl and integrate some football cards into the conversation so upon my research these are some of the things that i found nearly seven hundred nfl players have been born outside of the united states in its history nine have reached the pro football hall of fame so what i wanted to do is just pick five international players and pair those five players with five cards that i think could round out maybe the starting five we'll also throw in basketball i guess the starting five of international football cards but i don't know they talk about football not necessarily being an international game but i don't know that's it seems like a lot of guys and doing the research i was kind of stunned at how many players played in the nfl that weren't born here any just opening remarks or reaction to that before i get into the cards no i think great topic i do think one person was snubbed from your starting five but we can't to hear it get into that at the end okay okay so the first selection comes from our neighbors from the north and we've talked about this card but we're talking about bronco nagurski he he hails from rainy river ontario and obviously he is one of the nine hall of fame players and so it at this i felt like in order to have this list i needed to include the nineteen thirty five national checkle number thirty four nogurski with the minnesota flag in the back and my question to you is is this the most important football card connected to a player born outside the united states i think so just looking at the list of i mean even if you just go down to the nine hall of famers and then look at who those players are and then the cards i mean this card is important significant outside of being an international card so i think this one kinda clears and looking at this copy it's a p psa eight point five that sold for a hundred and seventy four thousand in august of twenty nineteen i think the cl value had it somewhere around eight hundred k so eight forty three eight forty three there is a psa nine a pop one psa nine there's no tens if that nine came to market i'm pretty confident that'd be a million dollar card so yeah i think you know beyond even just value this is a pretty recognizable football card just again like this is one of those like almanac cards like a card almanac you open it up and you're seeing the fifty two mantle you would see one of these you'd see the george mikan yeah just this is a a pretty classic card i want one because bronco is a legendary bear but it just says minnesota in the background and it's his minnesota college college jerseys i can't do it even even for a nineteen thirty five card it's not for me i need them in a i need them in a bears uni we've covered broncos wrestling career and that theme is gonna come along side another player here so just previewing there but it's not this guy this is the nineteen seventy topps juan stennerude who is in let's see here he comes from fetson norway which shout out to all the norwegians hell of a world cup run that ended early or earlier than they probably wanted but i feel like they maybe over exceeded a lot of expectations erling holling a lot of hobby hype there so we've got a place kicker which is the first place kicker ever to be inducted into the pro football hall of fame so my question here is should the rookie card of the first hall of fame kicker matter more than it does because i this card last sold in twenties or its all time high was in twenty seventeen for eleven thousand two hundred and ninety nine dollars and i don't know if i've ever seen this card before but i feel like that's significant that a you being the first place kicker and the first place kicker in the hall of fame being from outside the us yeah i'm just wondering who spent eleven grand on this is it a set collector team collector or player collector i'm always just interested to see like what i mean very cool vintage card in a high grade of course but i i just not not anything to do with the price i'm more curious like i didn't know that this player existed or know anything about them so i'm curious who the market is but this also ties into my snub morton anderson i know the great dane now that's the kicker i think of when i think of international player i didn't want i didn't want i didn't want two two kickers and i feel like the first is always more significant so that's why i went with jan here yeah okay i like that going with the the first the card logic applying that to hall of famers is there is something there i feel like morton played until he was like sixty five years old too oh yeah alright next card we have the nineteen eighty eight topps christian okoye the nigerian nightmare this is an on card auto selling for nothing this is his highest selling card of all time three hundred ninety five dollars but man i had to put him on the list from the perspective of tech mobile and just the absolute dominance of the nigerian nightmare and is is is are the kansas city chiefs the international hotbed of talent because this is this is two international players in a row yeah this okay so i was doing some digging this is his highest selling eighty eight tops of all time that good call yes eighty eight tops but i looked at his highest selling cards of all time and to no surprise i'm just gonna list off his let's see i'll do his top four number one is twenty twenty four donerous optic downtown legends gold vinyl one of one so you got his downtown gold vinyl one zero one his second highest selling is panini clearly donneris platinum downtown one zero one so a a second downtown variation that's a one zero one and then his third highest selling is his donneris optic downtown legends white sparkle one of one so three different downtown donneris one of ones from twenty twenty four selling for forty three hundred five thousand and fifty five hundred respectively something about those downtowns man just i mean yeah there's something there something certain certainly there we move over to number four we have leo nomanelli who's from luca italy also on the hall of fame list he this is his nineteen forty eight leaf in a psa selling seven selling for fifteen thousand two hundred and fifty dollars in april of this year now leo defensive great for the san francisco forty niners playing defensive tackle he also played his first three years at offensive tackle so how is that for versatility but upon my research i found out that leo was also a professional wrestler so he mhmm he was a nwa champion and an nwa tag team champion so these guys moonlighted when they weren't you know plumbers or they weren't ripping people's heads off on the gridiron they were ripping people's heads off inside the squared circle so this rules and i don't know like i didn't know anything about him granted this is from you know many many decades ago but it just seems like hall of famer maybe i should do get a history lesson a little bit but i wanna get your perspective on just like the card itself rules it looks like he's it looks like it could be a wrestling card but what do you think here yeah i love forty eight leaf i think it's a very cool looking set the colors it's like a andy warhol yes meaning kind of of just like the contrast on there with all the bright primary colors and all these different cards well i didn't another player i didn't know exists that's why we talk about these guys on the football card pod shout out italian representation in the nfl too just you would know i guess you'd normally think of like a kicker maybe but like a vinatieri but not necessarily nommellini as a what was he a defensive end i think a tackle or a tackle yeah either way just terrorizing offenses and yeah this the picture he's just screaming that's a great great photo i'm guessing he doesn't have a downtown no alright the final player is maybe the most recognizable and familiar player of the list we have hines ward hailing from seoul south korea two time super bowl champ and super bowl mvp his highest selling card of all time is the ninety eight playoff contenders ticket proof set we've got this is a one of one and it sold for three thousand nine hundred and eighty nine dollars and the autograph the the set is so iconic and classic and i always forget hines ward as part of the ninety eight draft class but what a career and yeah i don't know like what are your thoughts on hines ward i don't necessarily really think of him as an international player although i remember during the super bowls they played up his heritage quite a bit yeah feel like it was always one of those little like factoids you know that the broadcasters would it was a talking point that always kinda came up in a in a prime time game just as like did you know brian urlacher played safety in college or andy reid was in the punt pass hit contest like it's like alright i've seen this a million times yeah hines ward i feel like got the rep as like a dirty player he was that kinda became part of his reputation there for a bit but i i feel like he was just a ferocious blocker he just kinda had the steelers mentality i never was like oh this dude's that bad and as far as his legacy i mean he's in a christopher nolan film he's in the old dark knight rises that that is something that a lot of these other players don't have so shout out heinz ward for yeah running back that kickoff for a touchdown as gotham's exploding will are will you be seeing odyssey you got i got to yes yeah i feel like you got to built for the imax so i know yeah that's need to once we're back from this trip and getting into next week i gotta start hunting imax tickets i gotta get those on the books it's really hard when you have kids to see a movie that's not built and designed for kids at the theater yes also i was just looking up hines ward top sales his second highest sale is thirty five hundred his two thousand eleven topps chrome superfractor that card is sick looking just the yeah oh yeah it's right behind just the two thousand eleven supers oh yeah i mean they're supering they got the the super juice going in twenty eleven wow that is a cool card so glad we could bring a little bit of international flare there so as we record this we've got spain who defeated france and we have england argentina that is happening after we record this do you have any predictions what what is your where are you placing your money right now i don't i honestly wasn't able to watch as much of the world cup this year as i wanted the middle of the day games were great sometimes but then sometimes i feel like i'd be working and i'd look up and i'm like oh i missed two games what just happened mhmm but i think it's hard to bet against messi and argentina like i just i and i don't really have a dog in the fight for any of these three i think there's cool story lines for all of them i mean you've got spain especially from a hobby perspective spain and you know la nina mall and spain is just a very good team in general and then england you know it's they've been wanting it to come home for sixty years and maybe now it finally does or argentina going back to back if messi goes back to back then oh it's over our feeds will be flooded with messi cards for the rest of history yeah there was a interesting article i think in the most recent psa magazine shout out psa magazine where talking about the messi i think it's messi and ronaldo or it's mainly about messi but they touch on the messi ronaldo like that twenty fourteen prism mhmm dual stars mhmm but just like going into the twenty twenty two world cup how ronaldo and messi on a from their card standpoint were pretty close and then since messi won that world cup and then like ronaldo just ronaldo going like to the middle east to play like i feel like that i don't care but that rubbed like collectors the wrong way or just made him less visible i'll say that when messi came to the mls and is playing in miami but like messi's market has just exploded since twenty twenty two and like gone on to like triple ronaldo since then so just interesting to see how how much a world cup victory can really drive a soccer player's market this is facts and this isn't the soccer card podcast but i did see podcast football i did see the sale speaking of ronaldo and i know many people who collect this set but his twenty seventeen twenty eighteen topps chrome red refractor and a psa ten sold for two hundred and ninety two thousand dollars at golden a few days ago so i felt like that was a remarkable sale and for all of the soccer collectors who collect this set i know you're passionate about it i you've gotta be celebrating unless you've been trying to land one of these cards yeah for a card out of ten that's that's massive pop two wow jersey number that one that says jersey number on it okay there we go there's a little something there a little tax yeah what about you you have any world cup thoughts prediction you know i'm just gonna go out and it's so hard to bet against messi and it the easy thing to do right now is to say spain because they're already in the game and we still have another one man it just feels like something special is happening in with england right now it feels like the they're kinda overcoming all the odds so you know the thing i don't like about argentina they've they've had to come back and win in all of these miraculous fashions and just feels like england's been steady eddie i mean june bellingham has been wonderful like maybe i mean his performance has been amazing and i thought like whatever the whatever the london or the all the tabloids or papers like the headline to me after the last match it you should've just had bellingham's face on the front page and it just said should've said hey jude like that to me that's the headline but i'm going england i'm there we go going england i'm just doing it it feels special and then when this goes live argentina will have wasted them but i'll i'll put my money on england right now yeah i'll go spain so that when this airs i can't be wrong okay yep good bet there we go episode fifty six should we get into some numbers linebacker summer linebacker summer marches on we are in it's training camp's not open yet but we're about to be there we're still in the yeah heat of summer linebacker training you're we're running up the hills you know there there's all sorts of tire flips going on it is linebacker summer hall of famers who have worn number fifty six we've got chris doleman bill hewitt dante lovelli joe schmidt lawrence taylor and andre tippett so a bunch of hall of famers there some names more recognizable than others i mean the most notorious and maybe the best linebacker of the entire linebacking history lt i know you wanna talk about him a little bit yeah let's jump in so i think lt could be argued i know we i said ray lewis but arguments could be made for lawrence taylor not only best backer but best defensive player ever by the way speaking of defensive players did you see that what was it the s p's that miles garrett got the s p for best defensive or best nfl player i did not yeah so first time ever the award went to a defensive player and we this is kind of a miles garrett hype hype show we talk a lot about him so just wanna recognize the defensive side of the ball by talking about one great player and talking about another but lawrence taylor played from nineteen eighty one to nineteen ninety three and i'd be remissed again we're seeing these crossing themes of great football hall of fame player with wrestling he was the main event at wrestlemania eleven against bam bam bickelow so lawrence taylor was pop culture he's a two time super bowl champ three time defensive player of the year eight time first team all pro two time second team all pro a hundred and thirty two and a half sacks as a linebacker he certainly changed the game i think when you think about lawrence taylor i'd change the game as such a kind of throwaway comment that people make all the time but literally the investment in the offensive tackle and making sure that they had mobility that they could kind of reach that really became a thing and the deep the the blind side became probably the second most important player on the field because of lawrence taylor like his pure dominance you think about his like his he had all the intangibles he had all the skills he was very ferocious he couldn't be stopped and you think about it and what i don't hear a lot of is like his guy he's like paul heyman his guy in his ear was bill bill belichick bill belichick was just freaking dialing it up for lawrence taylor and think about that you wanna think about just like the biggest heel faction of all time you put lawrence taylor on one side and you have his advocate being bill belichick and the rest is history so so much success his highest selling card of all time it's one of those golden pictures that breaks so i can't pull it up but you can see it out of the corner here it says eighty two tops signed rookie card in a psa ten with a auto ten beautiful card beautiful autograph selling for thirty six thousand dollars on march twenty first twenty twenty one so shout out lt one of the all time greats wow the belichick heyman comp everything is wrestling and but that's so good that is so good it just it's the that clip of belichick like walking out of the tunnel where they like put stone cold's music to it or whatever is like belichick is such a heel and such a good managing heel him and lt someone needs to make like a cut up of like a roman and heyman and belichick and lt promo that would be awesome okay i had a couple to talk about first up not a hall of famer but sean merriman mhmm and got me thinking is lights out yes best individual defensive player nickname of all time best celebration best everything best everything the only other one that came close in my mind was weapon x weapon x is pretty badass but lights out is a top tier nickname and i was reading he in a podcast he says it's because he knocked out four people in a high school game knocked out four people in a high school game just four little kids coming off of a coming out of math class going out on a football field and getting concussed by sean merriman gave him the nickname yeah flipping the switch just all time defensive player nickname and then it had me looking because i mean he burned fast and bright mhmm his rookie year two thousand five defensive rookie of the year in fifteen games ten starts he has ten sacks then in two thousand six his second year in the season he only plays twelve games and he registered seventeen sacks first team all pro third in defensive player of the year voting and that got me looking at the two thousand six chargers because that's oh man mvp loaded lt winning mvp going for thirty one touchdowns you got merriman getting seventeen sacks in twelve games they go fourteen and two they lose in the afc championship to the patriots how about marty schottenheimer though head coach going fourteen and two all the way the afc ship and then gets fired it's and i know there's like dysfunction going on and like i was reading all about these just different front office conspiracies that were going down at the time but yeah just firing a coach after fourteen and two just seems crazy unless i yeah who knows i don't know everything but yeah what a team that o six team the fact that merryman's best season was paired with lt's mvp was awesome dude they were so good and they were the achilles heel for the colts yeah for so long but yeah merriman was so it was his light shined bright and then he it just like went away and i can't remember if his injuries or whatever but he was so dominant no one knew how to stop him but hell of a player he had injuries he had that pd thing oh that's right yeah i don't remember if that was his second year like i feel like he missed a few games and then came back and was still awesome but yeah and so okay one more fifties well actually a couple more fifties sixes first up bill hewitt vintage football guy bill hewitt born in nineteen o nine played in the nfl he played five seasons for the bears from thirty two to thirty six and then three for the eagles thirty seven to thirty nine and then one for the phil pitts stegals i didn't realize this was a real team that happened at one point but in forty three the pittsburgh steelers and the eagles combined because a ton of players were in world war two and so they be literally became the the steelers for a year which is i mean great philadelphia lore and or pennsylvania lore and then so bill hewitt he was one of the last players he was the last player to not wear a helmet he just never wanted to wear a helmet because he thought it impeded his vision and his play so you know he's out there playing defensive end without a helmet just blowing people up also played like a little receiver he was kinda like doing a little bit of everything and so he's this and this is meant as no disrespect to bill hewitt but he's the last player to like ever put on a helmet because he didn't want to he then unfortunately died in a car accident when was this in nineteen forty seven and this begs the question i think i know the answer do you think bill hewitt was wearing a seat belt when he got in that car accident no disrespect no disrespect to bill hewitt and his family but the guy who refused to wear a helmet in the nfl game i i have a feeling he might not have been wearing a seat belt in the car accident that he died in so rip bill hewitt no disrespect but just a little tidbit that i found interesting there and last up on fifty sixes so if you just go to the highest av on our good friends at pro football reference there's just so many good fifty six names including i'm surprised you mentioned big q i didn't yeah my mind's on linebacker somewhere it's mistake big mistake over here he slips in there but keith brooking oh so good yeah keith brooking was like the just a tier below like urlock or zach thomas ray lewis but like same era very good falcons staple brian cushing mhmm sean merriman we said cliff averill nick barnett lamar woodley robin cole doug smith derek johnson andre tippett yeah pat swilling lots of just great great players to wear fifty six fifty six is deep i mean i thought fifty five was deep but just when you think you you know can't find more linebackers linebacker summers surprises us all we we have an editorial note and i i must just say this before we move on to the mailbag two thousand six chargers lost in the divisional round to patriots because i was i remember vividly being in college watching the game because of the colts on the other side and the colts that's the colts ending up playing the patriots in the afc championship and getting over the hurdle to then go oh you're right you're right yeah but that was that was like it felt like being at home and the chargers losing that game by three points if that felt like the moment and sorry all you chargers fans i know we have some loyal listeners that just felt like if this team can't do it like it might not ever happen and it never happened yeah because truly playing patriots is probably like i don't know if the colts beat the chargers in o six then i don't i don't dude i don't we could never beat the chargers they they had they i they had our number man so yeah it everything happens for a reason but yeah if if we had to go there to san diego to play old phil and sproles and ladanian and just all those guys i'm not i don't know if we win that game yeah and but at the same time the colts could never get past the patriots before that year too the colts facts had the magic that season that they did that come back against the patriots is all time is there a better call than marlins got it no that's that's that's the call bob lamey yeah marlins got it that's the that's the moment for all of us colts fans for that was my one of my good friends that was his ringtone right back when you could like really customize ringtones oh got it that was the thing it was just the grainy yeah all grainy like radio call and so like i just heard it so many times in my life great call great game episode fifty six we've got some good questions we've got some good topics you ready to get into it yes okay first up and i have to include this preamble from our good friend loyal listener steelers card fella so he submitted this question slash topic and first he said hey i'm a few drinks in submitting this for friday's pod but all good if you don't like it and don't wanna use it pinot grigio had me pondering so i love a good my guy yeah i love a good pinot and ponder that steelers card fella was was cooking up on a monday and here's what he says i'm older than you guys i stopped collecting in the early nineties still shell shocked from the late eighties junk era i'm back six ish years now can you explain the fascination with red and green pmgs i have a red cordell stewart incoming but they don't seem that special looking to me maybe i will feel differently when it's in hand but is there some sort of boiler room out there pumping these things up like penny stocks or is there some hidden reason for their importance that evades me the prices have gotten ridiculous you know when you give your kids a box of crayons or a rainbow palette of paint colors and they do the whole picture all one color anyway that's what the hippies seem like to me from a distance if this was something in the financial world people would think it was market manipulation but when it's cards everyone seems to think it's an epic historical part of the hobby that gained importance twenty five years later not trying to be a downer just trying to understand a gap in the in my collecting that i haven't been able to wrap my head around i i just i wanna first remark on a two couple things number one like for everyone submitting to the mailbag like this is this is like the benchmark this is how you should come a little intoxicated a lot of thought like that that is one of my favorite questions that we've received so good i will also say the best part of this question slash comment is that he is talking shit about a card that he's receiving in the mail oh but to answer or respond at some level i personally and i again i ask myself is this because of the impatuation of the pmgs because of everyone else over the years or what but like i tend to i like the the way they look i like the aesthetic because they they are unique but i do like his comment about the kid giving him a crayon if resonates in a big way so he is not wrong there i think there are two things that make these cards important to football card collectors number one being like we were on the other side of the junk wax era and there just weren't many serial numbered cards and these were some of the not the first but some of the first and you pair like the desire for scarcity and the chase with something that looks unique and i think that has kinda compounded over time and made them more collectible i also think there are a lot of people that are trying to set build on this so that might and also collectors wanting high grade highest grade on this so that maybe has something to do with the prices but you know we we we have talked a lot about the price of pmgs and the volume like red specifically the red sell way too much and they it appears that the the price of them it seems high to us especially when there are that many copies even if you wanna caveat it by saying well it's the nineties so there's only this many in circulation but yeah great great comment great question but those are my thoughts what do you think yeah love this question or just thought process and discussion and i've had like a similar thought about pmgs i've talked about it on here like i remember coming back in the hobby and just looking up like what's the most expensive michael jordan card seeing a green pmg and just not understanding it i'm like that card looks decrepit it looks like it's falling apart like why or it's like authentic altered like you know i'm just like what i don't get it i will say i've grown to appreciate them and i will acknowledge the shine like they really do have a great shine so there's like those factors and then i think there's something about like truly how nostalgic those sets are like a lot of people even people who don't collect recognize the early metal sets like because it was a low end product it was like two dollars three dollars a pack so again even even different years like the ninety nines like that have like the metal like brads on the top like like i remember seeing some of those cards i was like i had those cards or even seeing ninety seven it's like i had some of those cards but it's like no of course i didn't have a red or a green but there's just this like familiarity with the set that i think anyone coming back into the hobby of our era our age range kind of like remembers those and has nostalgia for so there's there's those factors but then if i bring it all the way back to we've talked about this like the the tony hawk player select like skill meters for like each card and set i still think like pmgs have like full bars of like historical significance and like scarcity or rarity for like at least the greens but then the eye appeal is still low to me like i still like at face value when i see a red and green pmg if i know nothing if i know none of the historical significance or all the things that we're talking about they're still just not my favorite cards to look at and that's just me personally and part of that is probably because the bears checklist from that era is garbage and well just the bears were garbage the checklist is a reflection of how bad the team was but so like i don't have any if i had a green eric kramer sitting here maybe i'd be thinking differently and you know be enamored by it and want it but yeah for me personally not it's not for me but i understand why there is such a you know collector base for these and didn't mister wonderful just rock one around his neck the other day so i think you know we've officially i think that's the top signal for pmgs though is mister wonderful wearing a pmg around his neck what was he i i i think i missed that was it a jordan probably oh yeah no no kerry kittles yeah i think it was a it was definitely jordan i don't remember like the grade yeah psa six mhmm but yeah i mean they're still cool cards though still cool cards won't knock it and but i do love him like bought a card and then probably sitting there you know couple glasses of pinot deep regretting the purchase and like talking shit about it so that when it shows up he'll feel good about it or like it's it's like the emotional hedge i've done that before where i'm like i hope the bears like when the bears are really bad it's like i would bet against the bears because i'm like alright if they win that means like i'm fine losing some money because they win if they lose at least i make money that's the emotional hedge and seems like steelers cardfellas up to some some games there but great question great topic one last comment on steelers cardfellas drink of choice you know i'm a little a little surprised here with the name like steelers cardfellas i was expecting i just got done smashing a six pack of yingling yeah that's right but pinot pinot grigio and steelers fan to me just seem like on opposite ends of the spectrum but i can respect it yeah you think mean joe greene is drinking a pinot alright next up from bolt card crew he says it seems like the buy the goats trend really only applies to tom brady here are weekly sales pulled from card ladder he sent a screenshot of a graph that showed brady had sold thousands of cards above the next closest person so tom brady had four thousand nine hundred and forty eight sales the next closest was barry sanders with two thousand sixty one this seems to be this has to be of like retired players yeah top retired peyton manning third with sixteen hundred jerry rice fourth thirteen hundred emmett thirteen hundred joe montana twelve hundred marino farr of elway sanders is kind of the top ten kind of the top ten you predict he says brady is basically the only goat being bought at a high amount seems like there really hasn't been a push to buy other historical top football players thoughts i think my the where my head went initially was the fact that like literally brady probably has more football cards than anybody else based on his longevity in the league and based on the number of cards in checklists during his run like it's crazy you just think about like him in comparison to manning like i look at manning's catalog and i'm like this is insane like all of these sets and then brady you know i don't know how many more years brady played than manning but it just it seems like quite a bit but yeah i also think like with brady that a lot of non football card collectors feel comfortable buying brady because he has achieved that goat status cross category and if they're going to buy a football card they're going to buy a brady so that probably plays some sort of factor into it i don't know what do you think yeah i i think it's just he's so far and ahead in a different league when it comes to like accomplishments compared to other football players like not only does he have seven championships which is the most out of anyone it's not like there's a robert horry situation out there where some other football player was on eight super bowl teams like brady has the most so not only does he have the most rings but he also has all the stats like so he has that longevity too he's like jordan and lebron combined on that front which i think it makes just makes it a clear and easy buy for anyone who wants to get into a football card who's maybe not a football fan or is just like looking at football as a investment lane if you will like and again i'm speaking from like the lens of like looking for fundamentals like just trying to think of like what someone who isn't really a i don't wanna say they're not a football collector but you know what i mean like someone who's like alright i wanna buy a football card who should i be buying like that's safe a safe bet and it's like brady kind of checks seems to check most of the boxes on that front or i think other sports like or basketball there's like a little more debate and or there's other options like where jordan is the clear cut number one on the collecting front like value front but i still think like kobe lebron steph even like these are other guys who won lots of rings like in similar amounts like kobe has five jordan has six curry and lebron have four like those are all kinda close like brady's seven the next closest like notable quarterback would be montana with four like three like that's a huge gap like there's just like this brady's just up above everyone else so yeah i don't know and then also just like something i said wrote i wanted to reiterate is like it's not a bad thing though to wanna collect someone that feels like they're flying under the radar like yeah i i don't think looking at all this data is like oh why isn't barry sanders getting more love or like why isn't my guy getting more love like he still had a good career it's like do you really want that to happen to your guy like do you want all the attention on your guy and all the prices to go up or like and the like the hypothetical of do you want the value of your pc player collection to go up but then you can never afford any of their cards again is like that the reality you wanna live in like yeah it's cool that your collection got more valuable but then you can't buy anything anymore so just careful what you wish for careful what like you know if everyone was collecting or if all the values of the players were going up and or or just let the focus stay on brady i'm fine with that i'm fine with people coming in just buying brady because i'm not buying brady but if i were a brady collector i could see how that's frustrating the easiest way to look at it after all this discussion to me is like just think about in terms of collectability think about brady and jordan being i'm not suggesting they're the same level but just across sports tiers and then you got let's just say lebron and kobe as the next tier steph maybe outside looking in or very close to that but just say for this exercise lebron and kobe and then you look at football and just think about like if you put manning and montana in that next tier like there there there are lots of collectors of manning and montana but it's nowhere near what kobe and lebron is so like to emphasize what you said like enjoy like i think it's enjoy that like find ways to find cards and buy them because there might still be room to grow final notice like on brady and the cards and the volume like brady is not only still being printed he's still being printed at scale so like there's gonna be infinite brady cards for the rest of time especially based on the relationships with topps and fanatics in his store yeah he has like twenty stores now like he's he is very visible he's everywhere that i'm sure is also a factor in this where like kids who didn't watch him play are still like oh i want a card because he's such a visible pop culture figure alright few more also from bolt card crew what is the last under five dollar card you bought for your pc i i have no idea i like i don't think i have one i had to do some scrolling but i found five dollars flat two thousand two finest refractor deuce mcallister i got that deuce earlier this year so there's one for you next question alright this is from high plains golf pro with lebron going to the warriors unconfirmed and norway being sorry to interrupt but don't you think there might be a little you got opening up fanatics fest opening up thursday you got the mind the game podcast with lebron james and tyrese halliburton we might get some news there is there a dark horse here is i would love that i would do i would i'd be doing backflips across the javits center that would be awesome i'm pumped for this like final lebron season like gray beard jess like let's go let's just see it let's have some fun okay with lebron going to whatever team and norway being eliminated from the world cup would you take holland as your tight end for your team on a one year deal this comes off of us talking about lebron playing tight end for either of our teams but i just wanna reiterate holland's six five lebron is six nine still think that's just a different beast like we were comparing calvin johnson who's six five like i don't know i don't think holland yes he'd be an imposing tight end but he's still just like a jimmy graham out there he's still just like a big body he's not again six nine is so much bigger than six five when you're talking about football players and i think holland could be a beast on the field but i don't know if tight end and and i liked your comment here yeah my yeah my my comment is soccer players can't catch so i don't want he don't know how to use it i don't want holland a tight end i might get him get him some strength in the upper body area gets get more like chiseled and we might look at him at the defensive end we could use some pass rush help here in indy so we i'd i'd look at him at defensive end but i tied in no thanks yeah you throw a fade up to him in the end zone and he heads it colin what are you doing buddy you're supposed to catch it pal yeah i was thinking middle linebacker too okay yeah i'm ready for the there's gotta eventually get to the point where middle linebackers are huge like tremaine edmonds for the bears was six four and he was just yeah i saw him get nine interceptions in three years and i'm like this is having to throw over this tall linebacker i think there's something there like normally or not normally but you get a lot of shorter stockier linebackers who are fast into the ball and hitting but one day we're gonna get that freakishly tall middle linebacker who's like six eight and just takes away the middle of the field i'm ready for that maybe it's holland can't catch though alright and last up this is from the vital cards i love this question because he's referencing previous podtalk which is always encouraged on the football card pod he says you briefly mentioned the thanos finger snap in a previous pod if you had to thanos snap if you had a thanos snap to balance the hobby would you get rid of half the flippers or half the collectors half the parallels or half the products half the show dealers or half the breakers so talking to thanos snap which is thanos snaps to remove half of the population of the entire world and i think we're joking about yeah just having that happen in the hobby with the the ten x end of the hobby and just the all the new attention to the hobby but he he lists off three pretty specific ones i'll just go into mine real quick because i think then there's a segue into yours but because if i'm being greedy i'm going in my own self interest for the first one that he mentions of collectors or flippers i'm getting rid of half the collectors because collectors are my competition the flippers the flippers aren't buying priest holmes cards so get half the collectors out of here bring some of those prices back down i just don't need the competition half the parallels or half the products i'm saying get rid of half the products i'd rather have ten like a plus products that have whatever parallel structure they want than like twenty b level products that are like missing you know some of the parallels because they got snapped away and then dealers or breakers get the breakers out of here i mean dealers dealers are necessary we need dealers dealers are the lifeblood of this hobby in some sense i know breakers expose cards faster but like that would happen anyways you need the dealers who are going to the shows who are you know selling cards to the collectors so the hobby has a a nice little ecosystem going like where we need all of these pieces and if everyone collected the exactly how you wanted it would not be as fun as it is and so stop complaining is kind of where i wanna end mine and maybe i can step sent set you up yes so i will say this just to set up my answer here i don't know if this is because i've grown older i'm in my forties i've become more mature maybe it's because i'm invested deeply into the hobby with this being my work but the more time i spend in this space the more open and accepting i am to all facets of hobby behavior as long as it doesn't have to do with fraud or taking advantage of someone like i like even though some of these things aren't for me i like the fact that they exist because i think you need different types of entry points for people to find this space entertaining so i will set the stage by saying that but if i had the snap if i could get rid of half of something without a shadow of a doubt it would be the hobby complainers and i'm not here to preach positivity and say we can't be upset but by god the individuals in this space who i have to mute on instagram because all they do is bitch and complain about not getting cards about what's happening with some big hobby business over and over and over and over and over again it is my least favorite thing in this space and it just it it's the a great way to build a shitty brand is just complain all the time so all the hobby complainers if i could get rid of half of you that would be it yes hundred percent there's like as this hobby is like a social thing or like part of why this is fun is the socialization of it it's like meeting other people and seeing other accounts other collections all that good stuff but with that comes like and you've referenced this before the like high school of it all where sometimes i'm like i don't why am i reading this post about someone complaining about this other collector or like what wait what am i doing like i just wanna see cards i literally don't care what anyone else is doing unless it's like yeah if it's like fraudulent or they're doing some like shitty stuff like yes don't like no i don't wanna do that and that deserves you know being criticized but if it's just like oh this person's buying this guy now or like they're they're switching to this or they're selling that it's like yeah it's fluid like whatever they're let people do whatever they want yep as long as they're not scamming or frauding defrauding you but yeah i don't know i just again my whole goal always when i created pat nicholson on instagram was like i want an account that i can go to that all i see is cards so like anytime i'm clicking through and like i find myself not looking at cards on that account i get a little mad because the goal is just to see cool cards and like then yes with the social front to meet other collectors who are collecting similar cards because then deals can come up and all that but when it then it gets into like bickering and people just complain about other collectors i just can't i just have no no patience for that there's no time let's take you're taking away card time yeah it's cards let's be happy come on yeah come on we're we're collecting cards it's it's like yeah alright good questions everybody thank you very much for your submissions let's get into a few sales and get out of here because yes shout out card ladder we've got some fun sales here how about a nineteen thirty three sport king jim thorpe psa nine selling on their heritage for seven hundred and seventy seven thousand seven hundred and fifty dollars on july tenth monster sale for jim thorpe that is a pop four wow what a card just i love the designation football because you know the sport kings like they had all different sports in there but yeah just kind of again one of those this is up there with the nagurski mhmm just a classic vintage football card we've talked about vintage football doesn't really have those marquee cards the way there's like a fifty two manels or jackie or you know just all the many vintage baseball cards that sell for and wagner that sell for millions and millions so it's it's cool to see some vintage football breaking into this upper echelon seven hundred and seventy seven thousand wish it got to a million just to shut up some critics but whatever next card that's not the card that's not the card here's the card we've got an eighty eight bo jackson psa ten this is a freaking pop five ninety eight in this card this is rookie sold for three thousand five hundred and seventy five dollars and i was doing the sale before that was a day before that and it sold for forty forty seven hundred so look at that like with a wow you wanna talk about a liquid card i mean one day it goes for forty seven hundred and the next day it goes for thirty five hundred i mean talk about a wide range but yeah man five hundred and ninety eight psa tens and it's still selling for that bo knows bo knows people love bo jackson again one of those just were you ever doing something that no one else in the league could do yep bo jackson was doing that for a few years and that just resonates with people that people remember that yeah this is a very cool card cool to see this one i always you always see the baseball bat shoulder pads card yep this is like i feel i forget about that this card exists really cool card a helmet off card too a helmet off card good call out so this one is just we're gonna take a moment enter the kaboom room we haven't been in the kaboom room for a while but this was just i mean i wanna talk about this not necessarily about the card but man we can talk about the card but the twenty twenty four absolute patrick mahomes kaboom horizontal green one of one in a psa ten sold at auction on golden for two hundred and thirty seven thousand nine hundred dollars the sale before this happened december twenty sixth twenty twenty five it sold then for a hundred and fifty five thousand the sale before that was in march of twenty five forty five thousand so in over about eighteen months this card has or less than eighteen months this card has gone from forty five thousand to two hundred and thirty seven thousand dollars what do you say that is insane yeah that's that's crazy i mean the the demand's there though like i just can't argue with the numbers it seems insane to me but also like it feels like everything is kind of not necessarily five x but things have gone up you know over the past year of mahomes of rare parallels of different things so you combine them all together into a green kaboom one zero one and yeah what do you say two hundred and thirty thousand dollars yeah it's crazy but people love their green kaboom so that's for damn sure we move over to a sick card we've got a twenty twelve topps chrome rookie autograph super fracture b g s nine five ten autograph of russell wilson will the league be the same without russ let russ cook thirty one thousand eight hundred and twenty seven dollars this just got me thinking about russ i feel like soon there'll be the resurgence or just yep nostalgia for russ like he was sick for a while with this with seattle he i will never forget this i was on a this is god i i can't even maybe twenty twenty one or twenty twenty two i was doing somebody's show and they asked me who i thought right now were the three best quarterbacks in the league and i remember like debating the third one and i remember saying russell wilson and i felt very confident in that and i just his his run with the seahawks like man he was awesome and then it just fell off the table so i do think that nostalgia is gonna be there for collectors yeah i mean that happens with everyone you forget the bad moments or the corny moments like he did have an incredible run of just like cringey russ moments the like subway commercials and the doing lunges on the team plane waking everybody up and all that but yeah the stats when you look back like he just all he did was win in seattle i mean his first five years eleven and five thirteen and three twelve and four ten and six ten five and one he's fourth all time quarterback rushing which is i i mean i knew he was up there but lamar vick cam newton russ in fourth pretty amazing josh allen's at six josh allen will probably pass him in a in a couple years but yeah russ had a good career he threw for forty touchdowns in twenty twenty as a bears fan who's never seen a quarterback throw for thirty touchdowns a forty touchdown season is just i can't imagine something like that so and i know you know many quarterbacks have done that but just i don't know russ like he wasn't always just like a game manager or like twenty six touchdowns ten interception guy he had several seasons in the thirties of touchdowns he had that forty season he has like great numbers has the accolades does always make me think of the sliding door moment of if they just handed the ball off to marshawn how different russ's how different everything would be that is still the moment that changed football changed his hobby if he had gone back to back brady had lost that super bowl like i don't know just so much would be different but shout out russ this is a cool card shout out russ alright final card here it is linebacker summer so we have to highlight a insane linebacker card nineteen ninety nine metal universe taquia spikes gym masters one of one in the psa eight sold from the psa vault on the ebay machine for seven thousand nine hundred dollars spikes was awesome this card kicks so much ass if you collect nineties rare and scarce if you're a bengals collector whatever you are if you're a linebacker collector this is the card this is so awesome shout out to keo spikes number fifty one we talked about him on episode fifty one all time neck just all time giant neck but to keo spikes specifically on the bengals this era was just awesome and that is there a cooler name than taquillo spikes no no he was dude it's up to the perfect linebacker name yes yeah taquillo spikes is a linebacker he was born a linebacker just like colt mccoy was born to be a texas quarterback t'kio spikes was born to be a bengals linebacker chasing dudes down awesome card alright that is it shout out card ladder for all of the sales data alright we'll do a collecting update card call out get out of here collecting updates i got nothing i'm kinda nothing nothing nothing for national mode yeah i got nothing man alright that was easy now card call out last week we asked to see line of scrimmage cards another great showing a lot of twenty ten tops chrome so i do like when a set kind of finds a little pocket to play in and like they there was like favre is is at the line of scrimmage brady's at the line of scrimmage manning manning i think there was another one but bunch of bunch of great submissions on that front what are we thinking for this week i'm sure we've done this but it's been a while but this whole conversation has this has been maybe with the beginning in the jim thorpe card this has been the most maybe vintage focused that we've had in a while so let's just see your vintage football cards what about that vintage folk great minds football minds that i was like let's do vintage vintage football cards post a vintage football card to your instagram story tag the football card pod we will share them share a friend about the pod post where you're listening to the pod we always love posts like that thank you all for listening to the football card podcast see you next week