hello and welcome to the football card podcast this is it you made it it's friday and you're listening to the fastest growing podcast in the entire world that's centered on football cards and most importantly football cards i'm your host john aka pac nicholson and with me as always is mister slabs himself brett how are you doing i'm well i am still feeling a lot of energy from being in columbus ohio last week at the columbus card fest hosted by ryan at card collector two and brad at b sports what a wonderful time it was great i just got so fired up for show season i was by the way shout out columbus ohio downtown super clean super nice didn't see too many buckeyes fans out there which was good i'm sure you all in hiding waiting for college football season to to get ready but man i had a great time we i was staying kinda right on the corner of the convention center easy walk in it was so impressive man i just can't say enough for a first time show just the branding the space the action it was just an awesome show so i'm just telling all of you football card degenerates when this show comes back next year make it a destination you should be there i had a good time i did some content had some conversations gonna integrate that in kinda stacking slabs over the next few weeks but yeah man i'm ready for shows i got fanatics fest coming up then i got the nationals i'm excited to see all of the loyal listeners of the football card podcast in the wild shake some hands talk football cards do what we do yeah the what what was going on in in columbus at at the show like were you did you get to walk the show and see you know the different offerings were you mainly locked down doing content like what was what was the overall con general vibe there i guess the vibes were high i would say naturally and this is the era i am in just in my show going career where i'm spending a majority of my time locked down doing content but i had this like bird's eye view on all of the action based on where i was set up and so pokemon was like in one corner and then everything else it was nicely kinda segregated between the two groups but there was just a lot of action it was a lot of names and faces that i see from instagram the inner tiktok all these dealers but yeah there were some cool cards in the in the room i wish i would have gotten more time to explore that wasn't really my priority but it looked like people were having fun i will say the reason i left a little early is because i got a my daughter was sick and so luckily we had some support to watch her while my wife could work so i was trying to get home but when i hit seventy west to go home there was just this torrential downpour uh-oh i was white knuckling dude they like semis with hazard lights i could hardly see anything on the interstate for like an hour it was brutal i was like trying to calm my nerves by listening to like sports card podcasts and it wasn't even working but i got home safe and sound that that seventy drive is boring and brutal too we're we go to columbus all the time our really good friends that we live down the street from in new york they moved to columbus we moved to indy similar timelines and they have kids we have whatever we're going there this weekend for fourth of july actually but that's and i feel like the indy part the last like i don't know forty miles of indiana on seventy suck it's just fully under construction fully richmond concrete barriers on like both sides oh yeah oh it and it's always stressful when like alright this cone is now telling me that i'm veering into oncoming traffic lanes but i guess i'm just gonna trust this piece of plastic that someone put you know lined up in the street yeah that's not not a fun drive especially then in a torrential downpour yeah and especially when you're reeling with just having left a card show like you're not even going to a card show anymore like the yeah i know i think i drank maybe one alani too many and so i was very anxious but glad it cleared up i was also proud of myself team no stops on the way home we just cruised right through so no kids stopping every ten minutes it was it's it was nice you know what was also nice and i also felt very guilty was waking up in a hotel room with no kids i got a workout in walked to get a cup of coffee did a little work and i was like this is this is this is what it's like i totally forgot about this oh yeah yeah the the hotel work trip stays are always awesome because our dog sleeps in our bed too so there's just like i'm never fully sleeping through the night so like when i'm in a hotel it's like oh my god the king yeah we went to i saw toy story five over the weekend first what'd you think movie experience with the toddler movie was great we lost the movie theater lost power in the middle of the movie i've never had that happen where everyone's locked in it was a sunday matinee movie theater full of toddlers power goes out just pitch black like not even like the little walkway lights were on like full on power out exit signs were on and you know a little unease it's like what's going on and then whatever some commotion of like they're clearly trying to get it going but yeah it was like a twenty minute delay it was like the super bowl when the power went out that's what i was thinking and but then trying to keep toddlers in check to just say stay patient in this pitch black when and then start to notice all the buttons on the recliners and everything and then all hell's breaking loose but they got it back going and finished the movie good message good movie better than four i think it better than four it eclipsed four but yeah overall good experience did you did you like jesse's role as the primary protagonist of the story yeah yeah some gut punch moments in there too there were some sad moments and not necessarily with jesse but just bullying man and especially in the digital age the group chat getting flamed in the group chat does not feel good as a thirty six year old man as a six year old girl you should not be getting memed in the group chat that's not that's not fun for anybody it's the i walked out of the movie and my mind was prepare how do i prepare my daughters for this madness that's going on and by the like we need some better parents those kids were just on their devices at on their app doing whatever they wanted saying whatever they wanted that's not a sleepover a sleepover isn't going over to someone's house to be on your device a sleepover is going to someone's house to you know play with action figures or build forts or do some wrestling matches or run around outside like where what are we doing counterpoint i had some great sleepovers just playing halo just some lan lan parties which that's right devices felt different they they their xbox like bringing a tv too and bringing an xbox like there were like go over to my friend's house and i brought a tv and an xbox and i don't think kids are ready to just know what that was like now it's all in your pocket like steve jobs love him he did some great things but some things yeah some things aren't meant to be in the pocket on a phone you gotta i i'm i'm convinced that in our era mountain dew was certainly the official drink of the sleepover and because of the video game component and because we love to have sleepovers this was the dawn of mountain dew like splintering off and creating all these sub brands like code red code red baja blast and all these like mountain dew fuels the sleepover experience that's for damn sure yeah think maybe we have to do a football card pod madden two thousand three land party or something even though you can't i guess you could do four player you could do i guess halo the point of the tv was so that you're not screen watching though which that's right madden isn't as much of a problem except during play selection but yeah good times good times here here if you're watching plays and you're you're you're trying to get an edge that way you're probably the same people that are going to you know walmart and target and weighing packs right yeah absolutely if you're just glued to the screen and then oh what are they doing okay i guess i gotta change my formation buddy you're already you've already lost you don't think i know these audibles and hot routes you don't think i have a little combo set up for you what a time so i felt very compelled at the top of the football card podcast episode fifty four linebacker summer edition to talk about chris johnson he obviously got one on good more morning american with michael strahan and shared that he was battling als which i think incredibly sad incredibly sad to see him in the state that he is in and i think just the overall reaction online has been people are people feel sad like they feel really sad and it just shows like what a terrible disease can do to someone who was doing supernatural things not too long ago on the field and i felt like it sucks it's sad but chris johnson is such a football card podcast guy that we spend a little minute talking about how much chris johnson rules what do you think about that i i love that so i'll run through some things here first on him and his career two thousand eight to twenty seventeen if if i were to ask you how how many seasons did chris johnson play would you have guessed that many no i was surprised when pulled up the pro football reference and i was like alright cj i'm like the two thousand yard season definitely is the standout season but he has a great career around that totally and then i think it it did it all start with the forty time at the two thousand and eight combine the four four point four point two four forty that's really what set him off wasn't it yeah i mean there was like just an added buzz of there's always a buzz around the fastest forty time and then being a running back i think is a little added bonus because normally i feel like it's a receiver i mean i guess running backs it's probably pretty even but then you just had a really good rookie year with some explosive plays and just kind of became on the map and then especially in that era you know fantasy football and madden playing where it's like oh we got the running the running back with ninety nine speed yeah i wanna play with that team so early on established himself as just a burner running back in his rookie year and then i believe it was his second year where he had the amazing season is is is cj two k where does the where do you think cj two k ranks in terms of all time nicknames for nfl players i mean that's gotta be up there i you're commemorating by the way it was what was the total that year do you have the so he ran for two thousand and six yards yep and fourteen touchdowns and then he had five hundred and three receiving yards for another two touchdowns which is in total two thousand five hundred and nine yards from scrimmage which is the most yards from scrimmage in a single season in nfl history still to this day he did it in sixteen games as a scrimmage yard fan as a running back fan like he's the top of the mountain like he is that to me is like an unreal achievement you put up the most scrimmage yards in the history of the nfl that's of all the running backs all the receivers to have ever played this game chris johnson has the most in the season he has the most productive yardage season of any skill player ever that's that's amazing so it's it's it's almost cj two point five k cj two point five k so he was a unanimous first team all pro in two thousand nine after that ridiculous season let's see some other nuggets six one thousand yard seasons to start his career including that two hundred and six yards in o nine you know i was trying to contemplate the backs that i think i i would put ahead of him of this era are peterson lashawn mccoy frank gore marshawn lynch but there there's there's not many i feel like chris johnson gets this like oh we had a couple good season he he he had actually several good seasons in longevity but do you think like maybe he's like after that like group i think obviously peterson is the clear cut and then i'd probably put i would personally rank frank gore next mhmm and then probably mccoy then probably marshawn and then probably johnson that would kinda be my that era list but what do you think yeah i think you're kinda right on i think the one like that one season is just like so high that it makes his other seasons look not that great even though they're very good seasons yes it's just the like by comparison like almost to his detriment like that season was so impactful that it makes his other seasons not look great but like their his scrimmage yards per year so as a rookie he had fourteen one thousand four hundred and eighty eight scrimmage yards ten touchdowns that's a great season next year was twenty five hundred and then these are total scrimmage yards for the next four seasons sixteen hundred almost fifteen hundred almost fifteen hundred fourteen hundred so like those are good sixteen hundred yards from scrimmage twelve touchdowns that's a top fantasy season me up running back season like anyone would take that and it just looks not as impressive when it's next to twenty five zero nine like just that number twenty five zero nine is just so insane to put up sixteen hundred yards and you're still nine hundred yards short of the record is crazy so the i i hope to see i mean it's awesome it's so sad and so scary the whole situation with him like just terrifying how fast it seems to have come on and you know as a peak athlete for if it can happen to him like oh my god that's it's terrifying it is awesome to see people commemorating chris johnson though and yeah i mean as long as he holds that record too like he will be relevant he will be in graphics on espn and in broadcasts as other people try and get close to the scrimmage yard record so hoping for the best for him and yeah quick quick career totals nine thousand six hundred and fifty one rushing yards fifty five touchdowns two thousand two hundred and fifty five receiving yards and sixty four touchdowns and it is the sixty four total touchdowns it is the football card podcast so we're gonna talk football cards for a minute chris johnson's catalog is very fun and interesting because he straddles both the tops and panini era tons of rookie cards based on just the dynamics of that era and first thing i did dude was what chris johnson cards have sold since this news broke and boy do we have a card so this card shout out that's the old price too now but that's the old price this is on his ebay store this card sold june thirtieth and this card is his two thousand and eight sp authentic one of one shield logo rpa this card sold for twenty two thousand dollars this week this card was purchased on may twenty third twenty twenty five for three thousand seven hundred and twenty dollars wow so that's just wild and then another one that i just thought was so cool was his two thousand eleven finest this card sold in august of twenty four for two thousand but just so sick such a cool image of johnson on this card and i don't know man i just i i thought it would be worth before we kinda get off the chris johnson talk but like this topic of how important these moments are for collecting and for prices because outside of maybe us bringing up chris johnson on podcast because we he's a football card podcast guy i don't know if i've heard anyone really talk about chris johnson in the last like five years but then he gets on good morning america and shares his terrible news which is i've it's i love the fact that he is trying to build awareness for the situation which is awesome but like that type of moment although it's not a great moment brings up these memories of how great of a player he was and we just spent the first you know twelve minutes or so talking about him but like literally drove someone to then spend twenty two thousand dollars on you know one of if not his best card so i don't know like what what do you think of that and just the impact of these types of moments and people being in the news that can have on prices in the sports card hobby and market yeah i think it's always a little weird to me or touchy with like when something tragic happens and then people like listing their cards there's something about that that's off where it's like oh this is terrible news by the way i have a chris johnson card for sale not saying that's what happened here like this card was just listed and yeah i don't know if it was listed i i don't know if it had been sitting out there or what i have no idea right but it it is a new story that is then worth commemorating the player and and sharing cards like i always love seeing cards so like this is on the on the spectrum the sad reason to be celebrating a player and that's what i hope with the football card pod is we're constantly giving a new batch of players flowers every single week without it having to be related to you know some sort of illness or a death or whatever so yeah i mean in this particular case like i it's awesome that he's getting the love and recognition and that people are looking back and truly remembering how crazy that season is because i mean i that's worth collecting that's something i've we've always kinda talked about like it's not all did he win seven super bowls what did he win five mvps like yes that's those are amazing accomplishments and accolades that make players the goat but i don't know if you were ever just the best player in the nfl for a season that's ridiculous and worth collecting and if you were had the best season by any skilled player ever which is what chris johnson did that's definitely even more worth collecting so yeah i i don't know i think if we both have said this many times like guys like this are so fun to collect like if they had a great season if they had a great three game stretch if they had a great game in the nfl sometimes like that's all it takes to get hype enough to wanna get their cards just to remember you know how good they were in those moments this is why i i love football cards too and i and we'll close out with a this i think with a player like chris johnson number one this guy you know i i don't wanna speak for titans fans nor i i i really don't wanna speak for titans fans because you guys are titans fans and we don't like you but i think about chris johnson as if i as if i were a titans fan which makes me very uncomfortable but outside of like steve mcnair i mean like that season when he did what he did in two thousand nine like that might have been one of the more memorable seasons you had or moments as a fan so like that drives collectability and then i just layer in and this is we this is people know this but i don't think people really know this like when this terrible news came up about chris johnson really what triggered from not just hardcore fans that are listening to this but casual football fans everyone remembers chris johnson because of fantasy football like everyone does so these guys are cemented forever based on that and so that pool of guys isn't huge and so i think like sales like this and i think moments like this they they suck but i think they get us to remember how much fun we had when we drafted this guy and he was on our team and so we paid attention and we had interest and i don't know like we get so singular sometimes and just like look at oh well tom brady's got seven seven trophies so let's like just do whatever we can to just get tom brady cards and like there's a lot of people that do that and it's fun it's fun to chase goats but it's also fun to like collect based on memories and collect based on moments and a lot of people have had moments with chris johnson because he was on their fantasy team so i just wanted to call that out yeah and who is to say that super bowl titles is the pinnacle of football like tom brady never ran for two thousand yards in a season tom brady never had twenty five hundred scrimmage yards like that's that's that's hilarious to think about that that's more people have won you know how many people have won super bowls thousands of people have won super how many people have run for two thousand yards it's like eight yes like that one person has ever had twenty five hundred scrimmage yards it's chris johnson so yeah if you're doing something that no one else has ever done like ever that's incredible and also back to the two k season because i i was looking up i thought they made the playoffs they didn't make the playoffs that year but i remember because i also think there was something electric about that year where and this goes with any sports when like a player's in the zone or just having one of those years where like you're like no way this they can maintain like this is gonna fall off and like yep there was something and maybe it's just my personal bias nostalgia of that era of like being in college like espn like i'm still watching espn and like every week it was like what's chris johnson gonna do this week it felt like there was just more like weight into it and i was tracking it and it's like every week oh another hundred and fifty yards another hundred and fifty yards and so the titans that year started o and six is that right they started o and six wow and including the sixth loss was that fifty nine zero patriots game which i feel like everyone remembers as i think it was the snow game they're wearing like throwbacks and tom brady like just had like five touchdowns in the first half they just went ham on him but within the first six games like pretty modest rushing numbers he broke a hundred yards twice he had a hundred and ninety seven yards in week in a week two loss to houston but then ninety seven yards eighty three yards thirty four yards to the in a loss to the colts in week five the wow colts bottled him up and then that new england game he had a hundred and twenty eight so titans are o and six he's kinda he's having a modest season they then go on a five game winning streak where johnson runs for two twenty eight two touchdowns one thirty five two touchdowns one thirty two two touchdowns a hundred and fifty one a hundred and fifty four touchdown just like leads them single handedly kind of this five game win streak with unreal numbers then they kind of are losing winning on the way out but he still runs for one thirteen one seventeen one zero four one forty two one thirty four and i'm pretty sure he had in that final game of the season someone will fact check me but he had like an insane huge run that he broke off that would have broken the record it got called back for holding so i think he just like towards the end feel like he coulda even broken the record in that last game but yeah just unreal run and like for a running back to single handedly kinda take an o and six team back to five and six back to kinda being in the hunt it's it's awesome that's impressive just this we'll close it out here two thousand and nine awards voting i was wondering if he got any mvp votes he didn't fourth fourth and mvp brett favre on the vikings philip rivers drew brees peyton manning mvp year for him but he won obviously offensive player of the year defensive player of the year voting this was a charles woodson year which is fun ap offensive rookie of the year percy harvin was the winner there and then deep oh this is such a good name defensive player of the year brian cushing a comeback player very apparent and obvious tom brady after suffering the brutal injury in two thousand eight and how about this ap coach of the year marvin lewis wow mark that's tough what an era that's what a good time what a good time wow so yeah offensive player of the year he almost drew brees got some votes in there drew brees was always like either one or two i feel like in offensive player of the year yes yes shout out chris johnson cj two k unreal player unreal career overall not just the one season football card podcast in the nation is pulling for you yes couple other opening topic housekeeping things one and this is this was very funny to me and valid so golden tpc who he suggested bill romanowski last week for episode fifty three we discussed romanowski he he had some additional thoughts and i just thought oh this is we gotta read this and discuss so he said hey guys i appreciate you chatting about my bill romanowski callout in episode fifty three although i gotta say i was confused by the pearl clutching dude was definitely a dirty player and a true villain of the game as a wrestling friendly pro steroid per the bond's perspective podcast i thought your ethos would appreciate such villainy to take such a hard stance on labeling him a quote juiced bad guy while waxing poetic about lou ray lewis and marvin harrison as goats three alleged murders between the two which he did mention then quickly flew past to be fair is a little hysterical in my opinion doesn't make a bit of difference just sharing my thoughts on ball love the pod i'll hang up and listen what what accountability is what we need in this society we need more accountability across the board in all ways of life even the hosts of the football card podcast need to be held accountable and i will take ownership of this and also i'm willing to turn the tides here pro bill romanowski outside because you enter a dark deep territory i i am i am more likely to defend a actually i'm not even gonna go there because i don't wanna be quoted on this but i i will just say the the the the alleged racism that's we're entering a territory there that i can i morally cannot support but i i understand the perspective and these these these merger murders as you say were alleged so just we'll keep it at that but i i appreciate the accountability yeah i thought it was worth bringing up yes on the accountability front and just reminding people that we are very biased and warped in all of our opinions for any players so just take everything with a grain of salt but i was thinking about romanowski specifically a little more and i don't know there's something about like snapping someone's finger off anonymously in a pile up is dirtier to me than killing a guy like just man up and murder the guy that owes you rent just get done with him just do it just don't beat around the bush don't snap a finger in a pile up and run away like that come on like he's just kind of a wannabe tough guy compared to marvin and ray like if someone owes you rent and they're late you gotta send a message and marvin's just doing his duty as a landlord but just to be gouging eyes or sucker punching someone in practice i don't know sorry call me old fashioned but i respect the murderer a little more than the the little eye gouger running away i just line up in the trenches go to battle that's it romanowski just a wannabe tough guy it is linebacker summer it is linebacker summer but yeah and that also had me thinking about where like two things i listened to the card letter confidential with you and chris hoge and i loved hearing chris talk about the dunkin' sale and then hearing like the cards max reply where he's alluding to like not caring about older players and just that whole part of the hobby is very interesting to me and it i just then wanted to shout out curtis martin because i do feel like i always use curtis martin as the example of like he's not memorable doesn't have highlights just had a productive career which curtis martin has sick highlights sick career worth worth collecting of course again it's just we're just saying shit on here sometimes we're just we're blinded by our own bias our own experiences and to me curtis martin was a little boring but not not to say he shouldn't be collected or celebrated because the accolades are insane the highlights are insane yeah just reminding people that what we say is not to be taken seriously on our podcast yeah yeah just guys talking football just guys talking football great great disclaimers i love i love all of the we're growing here with some some reflection we're growing as people and as football card fans yeah but if yeah you catch us slipping please feel free to to send a dm i we we need to be held accountable so and we we do love the villains so shout out romanowski you know whatever okay episode fifty four we are in the heart of linebacker summer now and it is the dog days of summer it's hot here in indianapolis anywhere ugh too hot but fifty four maybe the goat linebacker number i mean it has a case hall of famers include chuck howley zach thomas brian urlacher and randy white but then there's some current players if you just go to pro football reference the highest av for everyone who's worn fifty four number one is an active player bobby wagner and then you've got urlacher randy white zach thomas levante david teddy bruski fred warner just kinda melvin ingram just kinda some good beast linebackers in there at fifty four one that i had to shout out because i know we know erlacher we know zach thomas i feel like we've talked about them kinda recently chuck howley i didn't know the chuck howley story and what a badass so grew up in west virginia ended up playing fifteen seasons in the nfl primarily for the cowboys where he was an original member of the doomsday defense didn't know that they called their defense the doomsday defense awesome nickname for a defense bring back more defensive nicknames so he played college at west virginia and then he gets drafted by the bears and he plays in nineteen fifty eight seventh overall pick so lottery pick for the bears in fifty eight plays for two seasons before retiring because of a career ending knee injury he sustained in august of fifty nine at a training camp in rensselaer indiana how about that there's lot that's where by the way i bet you that was at saint joseph's college which is the it's no longer there but the alma mater of my father okay but did he get a hit a low blow on sam alley and or chuck alley and make him retire i need to ask so he played just three games late in that season and that in the fifty nine season because he had messed up his knee during training camp he was inactive in nineteen sixty he leaves the nfl goes back to west virginia and takes a job running a gas station and so he just runs a gas station for two years and then he decides to make a comeback for a west virginia alumni game like he goes to that and he's like i think i can still ball and the bears traded his rights he goes to the dallas cowboys who have just kind of become a team in the league and in their inaugural season they went o eleven and one so they're at the bottom of the league chuck haley joins the cowboys and then they just go on and turn it around and he becomes a five time first team all pro they go to two super bowls including super bowl five that they lose to the baltimore colts but hallie is actually named super bowl mvp of that game he's the only super bowl mvp of a losing team he had two picks and forced a fumble in the cowboys sixteen to thirteen loss to the colts so he was the first defensive player and non quarterback to receive the honor and he's still to this date the only player from a losing team to win the award they then go to the super bowl the next season and win and in that super bowl he has another pick and another fumble recovery so this guy's just chuck halle is doing it all super bowl mvp super bowl champion and yeah here's his nineteen sixty nine topps rookie card psa ten that card is so sick looking yeah nineteen sixty nine topps with like the pink background this is the one card that i've always been anti when a set is married to a color and it's like in all the backgrounds i guess they have like some greens in this one too but this this pink from sixty nine tops is just very awesome to me gail sayers has like the same pink background it's a very cool card but what an awesome photo with the big stars on the shoulders just a sick card of chuck howley the original like fifty four too who then randy white the manster takes over the fifty four for the cowboys and also has an insane career and wins some super bowls with the cowboys but yeah those two are kind of the original fifty four big white guy linebacker players that then brian urlacher and zach thomas have since been known for so we're due for a big big white fifty four we're due for it i was just checking zach thomas wore fifty five when he played his season with the cowboys so i was wondering if the lineage was consistent through him that would be something wow what a what a player to talk about what a career i felt like this was tough because you're right it could be the goat linebacker number i mean there's just so many guys but i felt compelled to give credit to a guy that i'm not sure gets as much credit as he deserves and that is bobby wagner so bobby wagner fourteen total seasons to me he always kinda feels like london fletcher who is like one of the most impactful but overlooked linebackers of the era this guy bobby wagner doesn't miss games either he's played a total of two hundred and nineteen games in those fourteen seasons anchor of the legion of boom six first team all pro five second team all pro three time nfl combined tackles leader and of course super bowl champion his most expensive card is his twenty twelve contenders cracked ice psa ten selling for three thousand nine hundred and fifty dollars in june so a couple weeks ago dude this card went off the board people were ready people knew we were gonna be talking about bobby wagner here in episode fifty four but he's still playing he's still going this guy man lots of tackles hell of a player again we think about guys like you know aaron donald miles garrett when we think about kind of this era but like bobby wagner he's he's not too far behind no and as a independent defensive player in fantasy wagner was one of those guys that was off of one of the early ones off the board just getting tackles getting tackles all over the place shout out bobby wagner episode fifty four should we get into it let's go by the way i don't know if we've been meant we've mentioned them but just shout out cardladder gotta shout out cardladder the official sponsor data provider of the football card podcast we will get to them in the market segment which i will say it is a first time in the market segment we'll do a preview we're just talking wide receivers and we're talking one on one wide receiver sales and boy there was there a ton of them so i can't wait to talk about that but shout out to our good friends at card ladder for supporting the football card podcast yes thank you card ladder alright got some questions there there's some fun little topics in here so first up from bolt card crew will vintage football cards ever take off alworth never gets shout outs i think assuming or referring to lance alworth the chargers receiver i'm assuming that's who bolt cardcrew is referring to we gave lance alworth some shout outs on his number episode i specifically remember talking about his sixteen hundred yard receiving season his six first team all pros for the chargers back in the sixties so i i don't i don't know about that we don't give alworth never get shout outs and it's like how how many times can you shout out lance alworth like what are we what are we expected to do here this isn't the the alworth card show but will vintage football cards ever take off is is the core of this question here so yeah brett what do you think will vintage football cards ever take off a little vintage football card talk i there must have been something in the air because i was scanning the mailbag there's there's a lot of vintage questions people are had some vintage thoughts yes these are questions that we're asking i'm asking you know we dig into these sales and we see stuff come off the board and if it looks cool we wanna talk about it we can tell the story of the set and the player i will say this i'm not sure it'll ever have the broad cultural appeal as something like vintage baseball that is so like about the times and kind of set the stage for the way the hobby operates in general i think my the question that i'm digging into is will the demand for vintage football grow beyond the obvious icons and the cards everyone talks about which the cards there's more but i'm the cards that come to my mind are fifty h in brown thirty four bronco nagurski fifty seven johnny unitas i think the market is likely to mature as the hobby expands the growth i think will come in small pockets people who want high grade building out sets those sorts of things so i think it will be there like and it probably if you're a patient and you love vintage football and you you wanna build out sets and stuff it's it's probably like honestly a pretty good place to put your money right now but i just i just can't imagine it to be like the the market to look transformational overnight or even in the next year or so but i mean i'm i'm not gonna lie like i i'm not gonna lie like i have thought about it and i think there's a lot of fun opportunity in there but i've also talked to shared with you like all the roadblocks that i have like i don't have a team in that era i do not consider the baltimore court colts my team so i am such a team driven guy and so that's been my roadblock but that's just one collector yeah i don't think vintage football will ever quote unquote take off and like all of a sudden everyone wants chuck hallie cards or lance hallbridge cards like i can't see it like i feel like it's will stay proportional to what it is like i think interest in the hobby will continue to grow and as it does people will trickle down and find they'll be oh i am a football fan okay yeah i wanna collect this but i just don't see like any football card vintage football card ever like becoming more popular than the fifty two mantle or some of these vintage baseball and basketball cards that we all know because like those are all well known because of their decades and decades of publicity and visibility and being on the covers of every vintage sports card price guide is the mantle it's just like those cards are so they're just different like some of those vintage baseball cards especially because of how baseball was viewed in the time were famous in their era like a lot of these football cards i feel like weren't you know like famous in their era or like super valuable in their era so yeah i mean i but i think it's such a fun market i've actually been dabbling even more in some vintage bear stuff just to i just like how it looks i'm trying to get some of the fun sets like again like wanna say sayers rookie i want a walter payton rookie like even on a low grade just to have those cards so it's always something i think about but then to your point when like consolidations come up those are always the first things to go because it's like oh i can get this back there's literally thousands of these in all different varying conditions so yeah i do think it is a very interesting and fun lane that is worth exploring it's like if you like it if your players are in it if your the sets are in it just go for it like you shouldn't want it to take off if it takes off then you can't be on the sports anymore it's kinda exactly like i used to always want early two thousand football i'd be like this this should take off and it not saying it's fully taken off but it's gotten to the point where i'm like i don't wanna spend what these cards cost now like so careful what you wish for don't regret the fact when you if you saw a card later and it's three x what you could have bought it for two years ago don't get to that point and i would say if you've been sniffing around vintage football have a purpose like create your project whether it's hall of fame guys team sets whatever like that to me those types of things make those cards more sticky in your collection when consolidation moments happen so yeah we're we're we're we're full supporters of vintage football over here and we're excited to see what happens next and hopefully there's some momentum because i think there's a lot of opportunity in that segment yep alright kind of continuing the vintage football talk this is from t k d tickets he says i feel like the nfl has stopped promoting its history in favor of the modern game i get it the unimpressive stat lines and grainy video doesn't do much to make the old nfl stars compare favorably to the modern players the nfl seems to ignore much of its pre super bowl history and even the late twentieth century history seems dated it falls to the individual teams to celebrate their own history even throwback jerseys see more about selling merch than celebrating the past do you think this impacts football card collectors' views of vintage cards in baseball card collecting there seems to be a gateway from modern to vintage for many in football not so much it makes guys like jim brown seem so undervalued compared to modern cards i miss the days when the nfl celebrates its history like this nfl timeline commercial and the commercial he referenced was like an nfl commercial where there it's kinda like moving through like nineteen twenties to the thirties to the four you know like in showing clips of the game evolving so interesting thought here to unpack with does the nfl celebrate its past enough or not to me i think it's the football is an interesting situation because football's past is built on something they do not want to promote now which is violence like big hits are no longer celebrated and like the early like nfl films was just all about how violent early football is and like think about it they don't have helmets they were having catastrophic injuries like every year players' careers were like two or three years because they were just blowing out knees or getting concussed and just like killing each other so when it comes to like putting together a highlight reel package they're gonna pick the more modern electric touchdown where no one gets their knee dislocated or blown out like they're just not i don't know i just think it's their it's a more conflicted relationship with their past than necessarily baseball where like you watch a mickey mantle swinging a bat looks the same as anyone swinging a bat today like the game still is hasn't evolved as much as football has from a safety and even just skill standpoint like you know old old football looks like rugby and it's just like not as electric as patrick mahomes throwing an eighty yard bomb to tyreek hill like they're they just the plays today are cooler so i don't know lot to kinda unpack there but what were you thinking my thoughts have kind of changed a little bit just i love the violence callout and i totally agree with you i think that's a reason i also think like it's very basic and simple and we can't lose sight of this like this league will forever be a quarterback driven league and so the players playing the position of quarterback i think in the modern era are more i would say just as a whole are are are better players there's more impressive stats coming from that you know i think for me like and i said this when we were ranking quarterbacks last week like for me it starts with montana just because of what montana did as a winner and he's such a player but then like if broad strokes across the nfl history in my lifetime it goes like montana it goes like brady and manning rivalry and then we're into like where we're at now now that's obviously not calling out everyone who should be recognized but it's like very i don't know i just think of like the fact that like in my lifetime in the last like half of my life like brady and manning took over and now you have mahomes and all this stuff and then you go back to the older eras it's like the not don't wanna discredit players like johnny unitas and bart starr and stuff but like they're not even like they're an afterthought in comparison to some of those more modern performances for me at least and i i just think like if if tom brady existed or peyton manning existed in like the nineteen sixties or nineteen seventies doing what they did when they played i think it would maybe be a different story and a different conversation but that didn't happen so we've been kind of backloaded with all of these memories and moments that have been quarterback driven that i think doesn't help the historical importance or just the nfl maybe having a desire to focus on that i'm not saying it's right or wrong but that's just kinda my overall speculation yeah good calls alright next up from our good buddy drake's pc when looking at the highest selling football cards of all time and thinking of the most recent josh allen shield auto sale most of them are patch autos or autos brady's championship ticket but when you look across the hobby many collectors seem to prefer shiny cards like super fractors black finites gold prisms etcetera and typically don't collect patch autos or that is a or that is a small part of their collection when it comes to where big money is placed publicly into individual cards why do you think it's in types of cards that seemingly are opposite what many hobbyists generally choose to collect this is a great question for by drake i think that i think the the hobby is very copycat one category looks at another category and sees what's happening and obviously the basketball card market is the front runner most of the high end money is put into logoman material one of ones autographs and i think it's natural for that type of buyer who's spending that type of money in basketball to go over to collecting football or buying investing in football and looking at tom brady flawless or peyton manning flawless and shields and just saying okay this is where i'm gonna put my money so i think it's like it's it's fewer people are buying and want that stuff and are willing to spend the money on that and i just think like a more of the the common man in a way like shiny cards and we're the ones interacting and engaging on social media so like that's kinda how i look at it it's just like i'm not sure the people who are spending that money on like the josh allen for instance i don't i don't know if the the owner of that card is a listener of the football card podcast yeah probably doesn't know we exist but that's just my that's kinda where my head's at yeah i was on a similar train of like the people buying those cards are the like mister wonderfuls the kind of investor person coming into the space maybe and just like a patch auto card is so much easier to explain to understand the value than a shiny card to to a mister wonderful like hey mister wonderful this has a piece of the jersey that michael jordan wore he autographed the card and it's one of a kind like those are three concepts that's like okay i get why this is valuable but if you try to explain like a first year black finite to mister wonderful he's his eyes probably glaze over a little bit because he's like this is you you're getting like what do you mean first year panini i don't know what panini is i know what topps is like i'm from the topps era like yeah it's just i think the like patch auto one of one is just a very easy concept for the someone who's coming in and saying i wanna spend a million dollars on a card like that makes sense i think to them maybe more than some of these shiny cards that we like also then if you just get into quantities i mean and accessibility like i don't think that us down in the hobby are like like him saying what was it why do you think it's in the types of cards that are seemingly opposite to what hobbyists generally choose to collect it's like if i could collect one of one shield autos of all my favorite players i would it's it's not me choosing to like because i like other stuff better there is just a barrier to entry and a quantity you know limit there that we just can't i don't know it's just like yeah those cards are just a different realm for a different collector than me personally just based on my own personal financial situation that said if anyone has a patch of shield shield auto cutler or priest holmes let me know i actually i just went on facebook the other day and i searched like priest holmes cards which i never do i never think of facebook as like like facebook groups but i know that's where crazy deals happen and i found this post that this guy posted in twenty seventeen priest holmes one zero one collector he's like i have over a hundred and thirty priest holmes one o ones and there's a picture and he's got like ten shield cards he's got the o five bowman gold refractor i was like oh my god ad friend hey saw your post from ten years ago that's no response but and i hope worth a shot worth a shot yeah if anyone else gets through to them please hook me up don't hurt yourself but actually some of the cards i saw there had been have since surfaced so i bet he sold them at some point so but yeah good question drake and last up from rambo's pc how does one assess new tops chrome super prices to black finite prices they it costs more money yeah yeah this is the problem i have it the to me so i've been i've been i've been shared maybe a hundred and fifth a hundred and seventy five times people sharing me the daniel jones super fracture that's at burbank sports cards it's on ebay it's on their website every i mean i'm probably got ten people sharing it with me now i thank you everybody i know this card exists i am not willing to pay what the asking price is it's too much it's way too much so this is like my dilemma here it's like and and it sucks because i don't think it's me being a cheapskate but i like finites better and i just can't justify personally this is turning into a personal like i can't justify paying double for a card i don't like as much as another card because i just don't see those cards being worth double over a finite long term at all no no and and this is happening right now because this is just release you've got the manufacturer and you've got the flippers buying in and all this stuff and it's all fine and well the cards are amazing like trust me i'd love to own that card but yeah i just they're they're more right now for so many different reasons and it's been a roadblock for me but it's actually been kind of a healthy roadblock because i'm like you know what it's it's it's better not to jump in right now and if something lands my way and we've talked about i would much rather spend a hundred and twenty dollars on a daniel jones black geometric out of ten than forty five hundred on his super factor one of one to me the card looks better because it looks like a finite so that's how i've been working through this yeah the the super factor ratio compared to everything else like there's nothing else that has really separated or so far that i'm seeing like that like to me it's just more fun to yeah go for the stuff out of five and out of ten in like something like the black geometric where i'm like oh this kinda matches what i have it's out of ten which is a numb like i like that okay and it's one twentieth of the super factor price like sign me up that's i mean in one fortieth like yeah it's yeah it's crazy i also think this got me this was interesting to me where we're entering this new era where people are going to be coming back into the hobby who like collected twenty years ago when they were kids and like they're immediately gonna recognize the topps name and see that there are current topps products and be able to pick right back up and jump into topps chrome and it just has me i'm interested to see how new collectors entering the space are gonna view and then treat or navigate panini cards like coming into the hobby five six seven eight years ago you had to learn panini because panini had everything and panini was doing all the new releases and because of that we learned all the panini products and parallels very very well i'm just trying to think like if i was entering the hobby today i would gravitate towards tops because it's the brand i know and i would be like i just probably wouldn't necessarily gravitate towards panini right away i i might get there eventually but just thinking when i came back in the hobby twenty twenty i remember the i was like panini like where's tops like i just like i didn't want a panini card because i didn't recognize the brand in that way i didn't have any connection to it i wanted tops and that's why i kinda started originally was going more like i wasn't collecting any current cards because i just didn't understand or know like what panini was so i don't know i just think there's something i'm just interested to see how new collectors view panini and treat panini as this like brand that they weren't collecting for when it was active so it's kinda this dormant older brand that yes has a huge following and a lot of cars out there but it's not you know there's just something about the active brands having the moment which is tying back to like why top scrum super factors are selling higher than finite it's because it's of the moment it's what people are all talking about and posting right now but it'll eventually cool off i think for you know this release as as new releases come out very good points by you and i think that is that's very real i'll just comment that i think part of the reason why panini cards will hold up now i'm not saying all of them but just certain pockets will hold up because there are a lot of people that entered that yes based on what you said that had no idea what panini cards were and had to self learn and that self learning and self discovery created connection at least this is how it has been for me and so it'll be interesting like the sustainability of panini versus new tops over time and collector bases because i i mean i've never thought about what you just said but i think what you said is very very real and when i got back in i the same way was like what what the fuck is panini and but yeah i'm i'm curious and i wanna learn and so that that was the that was the fun part of that era for me was like the self discovery that build a connection with with those cards for me so yeah time will only time will tell but we got some we got some good questions this week man yep yes shout out the question askers appreciate you as always let's get into some sales let's do it shout out card ladder i i alluded to this earlier we are just talking about wide receivers this week and we are just talking about one of ones and i know it's a little ironic wide receivers and linebacker summer but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do and how about we start here with this julio jones sale and it is not just any julio jones sale it is julio jones' highest selling card of all time went off the board this week in the weekly auction his twenty fourteen super fracture one of one in a bgs nine point five at auction for eighteen thousand six hundred dollars how you doing super fractures of guys catching balls he julio caught a lot of balls maybe not as many touchdowns as we we we want him to but one of the best receivers of this era but just a twenty fourteen scrub super fracture in a gym mint grade selling for just a crazy price what's your reaction to this first off awesome card top scrub fourteen's never been my favorite just from a design but the golds are actually very shiny and then the super factor looks awesome and what a awesome photo with not only him catching but the red jersey the big falcon logo on the side of the helmet that this just looks awesome this got me just looking up his most his highest sales of all time and a couple things jump out one it's not littered with kabooms and new cards right i i noticed the same thing his super factors have surfaced quite frequently actually so his second highest sale was his twenty twelve top scrum super factor back last october for twelve thousand his third highest sale is a flawless game used falcons logo patch auto platinum one zero one for ten k in march of this year he has a manga psa ten that sold for almost ten thousand dollars in april of this year and then his twenty eleven finest super factor sold his twenty thirteen top scrum super factor sold so yeah four super factor sales in the top six is pretty cool you just don't always see that when you go to a player and look at highest price especially a skilled guy like this he's i feel like lately you're seeing more green kabooms purple kabooms stuff like that but no awesome card yeah this is this is a just yeah awesome card that's all i got pretty clean slate and aside here on hulu is julio in cannabis is he in the industry does he own stuff did i see that correct oh no is he well the the reason why i thought i might have read that but the reason i there's a clip have you seen the julio jones sued by cannabis company alleging fraud and money laundering wait julio was sued julio was sued okay i need some cannabis connection the suit alleges the defendants illegally managed and operated a facility yeah so he was seems like a business deal gone awry okay and it it it when i thought about that it triggered have you seen the al harrington clavicular clip yet no no but i need to oh dude it's it i gotta find it and send it to you but he just happens to run into al harrington and al harrington owns a dispensary in new york and dude the inner he has no idea who al harrington is and then al harrington like discloses he played in the nba and has a cannabis store al harrington's basically like saying dude come through here i'll hook you up like whatever and and clavicular is just like yeah i'm not i'm just i'm just not a big marijuana guy it's it's so good wow al harrington weed maxing clavicular one hundred percent so we haven't talked weed mocking weed mocked him weed mocked we haven't talked to clav in a while so i wanted to bring him up good that's but we need some more clav talk good to yeah good to bring him back into rotation the sad thing is is i could have his kick stream up on the corner here and i just i just have it running twenty four seven i'm sure i'd be entertained yeah two thousand nine bowman chrome terrell owens superfractor this card i think has popped up several times for us here but this is his one of one it's sold for four thousand three hundred and twenty dollars so people just don't even care it's like bills i don't care it's to it's a superfractor forty three hundred dollars you got it yeah this just has me because this is in a what what do you call this raw card review yes thing where it's like got the cgc sticker on it certified authentic sealed check how do you feel about rockcard review cards i've never bought one because i'm like i'm not paying like graded card price for a card that's not graded and that's what i feel like people want in a rockcard review i i know this is a one on one super factor a little different situation but i don't know anytime i see a raw card review card i'm like i don't i'm i'm not behind this well so so the raw card review cards yeah not necessarily my bag but any any raw cards that go through fanatics they've they get authenticated by cgc so that's what this is but yeah the raw card review dude i haven't seen like a classic beckett raw card review card on ebay in in ages are they is it extinct i just i just haven't seen that i feel like most of those have been cut out at this point i don't know i feel like it's more of a at a show thing and granted i've never seen one with like a card that i'm actively after but i just i'm always like what is the point here like because you're trying to tell me that it's oh this is a bgs nine point five but that's not a bgs nine point five i don't care if someone looked at it and wrote with a ballpoint pen on a or circled something but like i'm not paying bgs nine point five prices for this so like why don't you just get it graded all the way i don't know it's just interesting i guess it's for the the more fast flip the more like yeah card i can take it to get reviewed and authenticated and the person knows it's real it does offer a level of protection but i don't know that that's that's what jumped out to me with this card i didn't also realize that fanatics i didn't realize you could sell rock cards through fanatics collect i guess oh yeah this is what it takes a it it'll take a little longer but because it has to go through the authentication process here interesting yeah alright next one this is a card that was i was eyeing this one a little bit twenty twelve prism jordy nelson pylon i think it kinda hung around this price for a while four thousand eighty dollars which honestly i don't think it's terrible and i know there's a lot of jordy nelson collectors i was i was kind of anticipating this one going for a little more but shout out pylon and cdice cards he what he started an instagram handle dedicated to i don't oh i don't know i don't know who won i don't know who the winner is but there is there is some momentum in the community forming or there's there's an arms race for the pylons i've i've observed through a few different entities in this space so i'm i'm wondering who won this on the other side yeah that's the price feels reasonable based on the amount of hype around pylons but i bet this card goes up for sale again soon packers fans never hold packers cards just move around all the time like even looking up jordy's highest selling cards of all time his twenty thirteen black finite has sold three times since last february and like like that's his highest sale it sold in september of last year for six thousand it sold in february of last year for forty two hundred and then it sold in november of last year for thirty seven hundred so that's just been moving all through the the vortex which if i were a packers fan jordy was so sick so sick there was a moment like another play that is burned into my mind of just like rogers similar to manning just kinda doing like a stretch play action and it's like oh yeah jordy nelson is gonna be wide open in the middle of the field like on a post and he's gonna get a seventy yard touchdown that was just unstoppable for a while so and cool card cool image of jordy like in a sprint yeah congrats to whoever won that that's a good cool card we've got the nineteen ninety seven flair showcase legacy collection row one andre reed masterpiece one of one psa nine three thousand seven hundred and twenty dollars i just remember being a kid watching all of the bills super bowl sorry bills fans you got there at least but i just remember always watching andre reed on the sidelines warming up and he again another player that because of the different receivers of the era i don't think gets enough credit and recognition hall of famer but just he was such a great player jim kelly just dropping balls to him over the middle of the field just tough guy great card great sale yeah i love the look of flair showcase with the kinda like casual picture in the background and then the full uniform pick in the foreground it's always a great combo on any kind of card yeah him with the bandana on and just in the blue jersey and then his plain pictures in the white jersey this card just does everything yeah awesome card good contrast and we close it out here with this card i was watching it too i was just very curious what is a card like this that is very kind of off the radar go for yeah nineteen ninety nine upper deck retro randy moss platinum one of one in a psa nine this thing he's got a big smile on his face helmet on the top of his head just a great portrait shot of one of the greatest receivers of all time three thousand one hundred and twenty dollars never heard never seen these cards before but damn this is a great looking football card yeah that is awesome i mean i didn't know these exist like just and not calling this a random one of one but just a unknown one of one at least to me just popping up going for thirty one hundred like if i had to wager i bet three years ago this was a couple hundred dollar card maybe yeah we're in a one zero one world these days but i mean what a cool picture what a cool i always like a throwback card or not always but like i like two thousand six tops heritage those like black refractors that look like the they have like a throwback look yes but yeah this with the the helmet on the head that's just a that's an awesome picture so in go ahead i'm just looking into yancy thigpen his version of this card what a name twenty twenty two sold for twin or fourteen dollars were there any other sales of this exact card nope this is the first sale of this card that makes that makes sense why maybe the price awesome card dude i think the background and the color match and the expression on moss's face and the helmet on his head this is a great card like i i was when i was scrolling through what was up for auction i favorited this and i just kept looking at it i was like god it just it shows randy moss in a way on a card that is so randy moss but i don't think he's been represented like this and it's just i love this card this is probably my favorite sale of the week and i had never even heard about this upper deck retro ever but now because of the sale i wanna go explore it really cool stuff yeah i'm looking through other sales and there's not many but they all have different color backgrounds that really make the jerseys pop like this is a cool one it's sold in twenty eighteen fred taylor on like an orange background with like the teal jags jersey like looks awesome for ninety bucks in twenty eighteen yeah this is a this is a fun set curious to see what else could pop up from this alright sales thank you cardladder for the wonderful data provided collecting updates card call we'll get out of here collecting updates what are the current collecting projects that you're focusing your resources on brett any any pickups or anything no no updates for me nice i've gone into full try not to spend money until the national mode is kind of what i'm entering which it's just i've this will be my i think fifth straight national it's always fun to go in with extra ammo yep whether that's cards you're ready to sell or sold cards in preparation just instead of i have a loose budget for cards but instead of my normal like alright i'll spend this much this month on cards like treated i have treated the national like on that same level in the past and it's not as fun as when i go ready to just see what's out there make some deals buy some stuff sell some stuff so yeah i'm just trying to and grading fees and all that good stuff so just trying to kinda build up the war chest for the national but that just also is to say the national is at the end of july we are into july now maybe we'll do maybe just send us national related questions maybe we'll ask for that next week and we can kinda tackle that some sort of national preview i don't know i mean maybe you're doing that on stacking slabs i have no plans at this point there are people who do that way better than me so but i would love to talk about it here yeah i feel like the national preview everyone's kinda that's been done many it's been done but i guess just yes if you have national related questions at all specifically pertaining to the football card pod yeah or just any thoughts whatever please dm the football card bot on instagram yeah yeah i have no collecting updates either i bought a card i don't have it in hand and i'm no longer talking about cards until i get them in hand good the curse card call out we didn't talk about this i figured it would come up during i've got an idea okay let's hear it i wanna see because this nineteen ninety nine upper deck mhmm retro randy moss is such a killer card i love it so much i want to see you post cards of guys with their face shown helmet off oh okay so it could be helmet could be on their head like randy in this but or helmet off we they can be full jersey pads just no helmet no like full face no face mask covering the face yeah what about situations where like a red grange he has the leather helmet on face out because that's that works i can see him smile or scowl k so full unobstructed face is full points helmet propped up on the top of the head might dock you some points but yeah we wanna see those faces this is a good one helmet off cards post them to the story tag the football card pod on instagram we will reshare everyone that posts and tags and thank you deb for everyone who listens to the football card podcast shout out everyone who yeah there was i gotta keep be better at writing these down someone was like on a road trip listening to the football card pod i was like hell yeah happy to be the soundtrack to daily life for all you football card and football card fans out there so thanks for listening we'll see you next week