hello and welcome to the football card podcast this is it you made it it's friday and you're listening to the fastest growing podcast in the entire world that's centered on football cards and most importantly football cards i'm your host john aka pac nicholson and with me as always is mister stacking slabs himself brett how are doing i'm well i love seeing everyone posting their global pictures of the football card podcast and people listening we had an impressive one was it the stonehenge stonehenge we made it to stonehenge it's awesome did do do we recall who the collector was i don't no i feel bad about that but of course well i'll kill some time and maybe we can figure this out but that was amazing the that is fun i enjoy it it seems like each and every week people keep popping up across the globe which is fun but yeah man things are going well we were dealing with some unexpected sickness here at stacking slabs hq this weekend you know whenever you have plans with your spouse kids always get sick that's what i've learned we were we're planning on going to bloomington for a night away and we're going to see waxahachie and then my middle ruby she just you know hit a hundred and two temp and it was like well can't really go get away and enjoy this trip so we ended up staying home which is a bummer but i spent father's day we we you know loaded up ruby with some tylenol and ibuprofen got her nice and healthy enough to go see toy story five so saw toy story five and let me tell you man we went to the alamo theater have you been to the alamo in india yet i haven't it's in the weirdest location it's it's right off of lafayette road it's i i don't it's interesting that they put it there but i've got a my best friend's a huge movie buff and he goes to the alamo in chicago all the time mhmm and so i was like we'll check out alamo which was sick it was awesome but you know we we were like well we're gonna eat dinner here we're gonna do snacks and i mean you and i talk about going to a movie and and spending some money i mean we we did some damage but it was all good everyone sat everyone enjoyed it and i will you know do my cisco and ebert will give toy story five two thumbs up it was was was not i love toy story was not much of a fan of toy story four the toy story five dude they cook man they cook they bring stuff together jesse's the protagonist in this one i really enjoyed that but you know any story around you know using your imagination and playing with toys versus tech is is fascinating especially in this era so yeah capped off father's day with toy story five it was it was solid man yeah i believe we're gonna go see that this weekend very excited similar thoughts of the toy story legacy where three three i mean they three was supposed to be the end and then they were like well wait a minute let's keep making some money so they make four and four was four has its moments but it's just not it's not touching the original trilogy so glad to hear i'm excite and five yes toys versus tech it's beautiful that's gonna be very excited to hit that up let's shout out niners and badgers yes that is who posted a picture listening to the football card pod at stonehenge that's awesome keep sending them everybody listening abroad or international we always love seeing where you're listening to the football card pod and we're glad to be back for episode fifty three we we crossed the year threshold last week was rough that was a rough road performance for your boy i was like after recording i'm like i don't even remember what i said like that was terrible because to set the stage i'm the first one awake in this house and then the wi fi's spotty i'm in this kinda corner in the basement trying to be quiet because it's like if i wake up my daughter and she hears me and no one else is awake well everyone else is then waking up because it's gonna be like i wanna see daddy talk to daddy so i was and it was early out there i'd been up a little late the night before just doing colorado things so it was a little foggy on the mental front it's just was groggy and hadn't had like i didn't spend any time the night before reviewing the doc you know putting it watching tape and i i love watching tape which is me just going into the the doc that brett and i make for every episode every week and just getting down notes and ideas and box scores and stats and all all the wonderful things that make the football card pod so fun so mhmm yeah not the not the best performance for a year but that's behind us you know rookie season's done we're into year two it's a you know it's a make or break year we gotta we gotta we put good stuff on tape rookie year but we gotta step it up in the sophomore year yeah we do not want the sophomore slump no that is for for certain and any way we might slump is if we just maybe dedicate more time to colorado things instead of studying tape so we'll maybe get laser focused although i do like colorado things but speak speaking of studying tape there's a i want maybe we should let's shout out cardladder shout out cardladder cardladder rules the official data provider of the football card podcast there is a pretty big card that was introduced to me via group chat and i thought it might be good to start with this card because i feel like there's enough we can dig into just out of the gates with it but are you ready to talk about a very important card that is hitting the auction block that is of a guy who liked to study a whole lot of tape while he played football yes let's see it let's hear it so i wanna shout out our good friend ben brooklyn berry bright he dropped this in the peyton manning chat and i clicked it and it was when i clicked it and looked at it i was just like is this real is this really happening and it is really happening so let's pull it up here we have which is in auction preview right now via heritage we have the nineteen ninety eight skybox metal universe peyton manning gym masters rookie one of one n a p s a eight point five i love how that card got a psa eight point five but this card hits everything it hits the player the set the one of one of it all the rookie everything you can think of and they have an estimated value of this card for five hundred thousand dollars and up which to be honest with you like i i thought that i don't know i was like that's a big number but i also did a lot of research in preparation of this and looking there has not been a ton of ninety eight metal universe manning gym master sales so this card dude i can't remember a card in the football card scene this big not named tom brady to go to market maybe ever and so i felt like it was appropriate with a with obviously a massive peyton manning fan i just think this card is like a very very very important football card like and maybe one of the most important football cards of all time but i wanted to get your reaction we have not talked about this in advance but what do you what do you think yeah this was crazy to see that this popped up on heritage too heritage is interesting to me but it also i feel like makes sense from a you want to attract people beyond just cards to get interested in a card like this like this is that big of a card for peyton manning i mean is this his biggest rookie card this has to be right one dude there i can't name a card that even sniffs this one because the credentials is out of six out of seven seven yeah yeah this is awesome i wish it was a colts jersey so bad the yep the tennessee jersey throws me off on it but regardless it's still awesome and iconic i can't wait to see watch the auction on this one and see where it ends up yeah so do okay so the last just to add some sales here mhmm the last sale of a ninety eight metal universe was an eric swan which sold in april of this year and it sold for two thousand seven hundred dollars obviously like kinda common player but you go through cardladder and you look ninety eights never sell they never sell there's hardly any public data and if there is public data it's from many many years ago so obviously we're not comparing this card with an eric swan card but i the this this the the ninety nine the gym masters jerry rice andy's card this card is probably the most comparable even though it's not a rookie and even though it's not the same year but this i don't know like there's really no great comps to even consider this card so i don't know i'm i think this is one of those funds instances where i believe spinitron was the current owner he's probably just like the market is ripping this there's the opportunities for this car are endless i'm just gonna let this thing ride so the highest selling ever was the barry sanders two years ago yes april twenty twenty four hundred and sixty eight k car ladder value has that at three hundred k now so for a sanders nonrookie okay and then dion sold in january of this year for eighty seven huge sale not a rookie and like dion's nowhere near as expensive as like barry or jerry would be i think yeah this this five hundred k estimate is for the manny it's pretty accurate i mean i i won't i won't be shocked if it goes higher than that like people are gonna want this card a lot of people are gonna want this card yes they are and my searching okay so this is the classic case of that's the pmg this is the classic case of the gym master versus gym masters searching queries which isn't it it's finding different results via doing it both ways for sure yeah i searched nineteen ninety eight metal gym master it's all about the less words and things the better in car when doing card ladder and save searches like i don't know keeping it broad is how i've always tried to filter like even if you just search ninety eight metal and then sort by price like i'm sure there's someone who accidentally wrote gem masters versus gem masters i mean actually it's all mj anyways but yeah i can't wait to watch that auction go that's a fun one it's always fun when a big card hits auction and when it especially like you said it's not brady or a modern guy like this is your guy this is this is manny baby let's go let's go do you do you have any early predictions on where you think this card lands five hundred and eighteen thousand i'll say that peyton i'll i'll go five sixteen for his college jersey number wow price is right in me one dollar bob yes alright episode fifty three the start of the sophomore's year sophomore season fifty three is linebacker summer too and we've got well okay the hall of famers harry carson len ford and i think i might have another pro football hall of fame error on the website because the the jersey number said the jersey number hall of famers by jersey number page says fred tinglehoft i can find no fred tinglehoft but i can find mick tinglehoft who is a hall of famer but whose actual name is henry middle name michael like there's no fred associated with that at all so i just have no idea where the fred comes from i did solid five minutes of googling and couldn't find any other mention of tinglehoff going by fred so i don't know what that is might have to start putting some pressure on the pro football hall of fame website to maybe address these changes or just tell me if i'm wrong but mick tinglehoff i just like his story so tinglehoff is a hall of famer played for the minnesota vikings from sixty two to seventy eight he what so he grew up in nebraska he was born in nineteen forty in lexington nebraska grew up on the family's farm sixth and youngest child of german immigrants the family didn't get electricity until he was a senior in high school he attended high school playing center and linebacker for the football team and then like he had college interest but his parents didn't want him to go to college they wanted him to stay and work on the farm because also thinking about that of just immigrant family it's like what do you mean you're gonna leave the farm and go to this lotty dolly college and leave us to work while you are just now big enough and strong enough to really make a difference on this farm and now you're gonna dip on us and go play a game like that's not how it works but mick well well anyway went to the university of nebraska eventually became a starter and a star co captain gets drafted in the draft and then just was a first team all pro center five times for the vikings where they were dominant and this was all like leading up to the super bowl the first super bowl so they won a bunch of like nfl he won an nfl championship and they were dominating the nfc and then then there's the merger and the vikings went to a bunch of those early super bowls and they lost all four of them that he was on there but yeah just a cool cool story and his highest selling card yeah we pulled it up right here is his seventy one tops forty three thousand for a psa ten pop one of his nineteen seventy one tops in march of this year so there are some tinglehoppers out there there's some collectors i like seeing that the tinglehoft of it all i love the story i'm just imagining this monster just throwing barrels of hay around in his on his farm but the the fact that he it's just the fact that he went to nebraska and was a corn husker exactly then was a viking it's just perfect just pure like cornbread like german immigrant just tinglehoff like what a name and dude this the shot on the seventy one tops too looking at the portrait photo i mean this this guy this guy looks like he could be in the movies man doesn't he look like a movie star yeah and so this is more so seventy one yeah this is like later i mean we're getting into the seventies too so he's letting his hair out a little bit here he doesn't have the high and tight johnny unitas haircut that he had in his early years but yeah tinglehoft i mean i was i was like damn if oh and in legacy and honors hall of fame linebacker dick butkiss said tinglehoft was the toughest center i ever played against okay so tinglehoft's got some street cred out here he's a hall of famer he has the accolades i made me wanna start collecting tinglehoft that's all it takes it's just one stroll down wikipedia and pro football reference so any vikings fans out there let's see your hoff's show us your hoff's i wanna do an honorable mention before i get in mind because it it came to me as we're as i saw the fifty three the honorable mention last week because we had to talk about ray lewis was patrick willis and we're gonna put another niner in the honorable mention shot gotta shout out navarro bowman it is linebacker summer my goodness that's just not fair that not fair for a while you had patrick willis and navarro bowman playing with each other those guys just absolutely ripped everyone's heads off so shout out navarro bowman great player yeah and four team four time first team all pro including three straight from twenty eleven twenty twelve twenty thirteen and then yeah oh yeah he tore his acl like in the playoffs right it was or end of the season i just remember it being a crucial game and a devastating blow for the niners defense but then came back after a torn acl and mcl and still made a first team all pro in twenty fifteen after sitting out for a whole year after an injury that's badass yes he was great so but mine is near and dear to my heart one of my favorite colts of all time darius shaquille leonard mhmm all time favorite colt for me so he is the one player that i wanna make sure and as long as i have this microphone as long as i have this platform i will forever be beating the drum of the maniac darius shaquille leonard as one of the best defensive players of his era obviously like if you think about it from a colts fan perspective best offensive player andrew luck we all know what happened to him best defensive player leonard now we all know what happened to him injuries but it has been a son of a bitch of a stretch with these should be hall of fame guys but a little maniac statistic for you here are just highlights so if you look at it his career totaled six seasons but pre injury he only really played like four solid seasons but in those four seasons three time first team all pro one time second team all pro he led the league in force fumbles in twenty one his rookie year first team all pro and solo tackles leader he was a absolute joy to watch the maniac was the best nickname he got every tackle he he forced turnovers like i've never seen before anytime the colts needed to play defensively leonard was getting the ball and it was unbelievable and of course like he had the nerve damage and the injuries and he just never could come back and it was so sad because he was on this like just legendary path but the other thing was when the colts finally cut him the next week he came to the stadium and got honored at in the stadium which was sad cool all these emotions but yeah man i absolutely love the maniac i own a couple of his black finites i would say to anyone out there listening you have any of leonard's finites i my prism collection of him is one i treat in high regard and i have most of his nice stuff but i'm always looking for more so there's a self serving shout out there but i will say here's his highest selling card of all time which is his twenty eighteen contenders super bowl ticket one of one rookie auto it is a nasty ugly sticker auto sticker auto but it sold for three thousand two hundred and fifty dollars in april of twenty two the other thing i don't understand as a prism guy this guy did not have a and and by the way when he was drafted in the second round like everyone was like this is the worst draft pick of all time like this we didn't even have this guy in the first like five or six rounds and so i don't know if that influenced but he is not he does not have a rookie year prism card he was not in twenty eighteen prism so his first prism card is in twenty nineteen which i own and i consider that his rookie prism card even though he doesn't have a rookie but yeah man i could sit up here and talk for days like go watch the highlights this guy was an unbelievable player for a very very short time yeah i was just looking at the twenty eighteen prism checklist because i thought and i confirmed they got quentin nelson in that draft too which pretty pretty good draft as a sometimes colts hater i remember just like and a long time bears suffer just seeing my friend like my colts friends be like oh we just grabbed one of the best offensive linemen all pros ever and one of the best linebackers apparently ever you know like a couple year like by twenty twenty is how it was looking but yeah big q not having a card in twenty eighteen prism too that seems like such a missed how do you not include the first and second round picks dude i i i i guess i know it's a lineman and a defensive player but i don't know it seems like your first rounder should get a card in the flagship set that's just me yep and yes i was looking at leonard's pro football page and noticed the same thing that those first four seasons on like all time unstoppable numbers good bold got me thinking are there any four song eps out there that match leonard's career so i was doing some contemplating and the closest thing i settled and not just style of play but i was just thinking any basically led zeppelin first side of any record where you know it's always like four songs they're always all good like you could go houses of the holy side one you could go physical graffiti disc two side one so you know you could get in here and just find some any four song banger and then another one that jumps into my mind do you do you remember the neighborhood jesse rutherford yes they had a little yeah like with sweater weather on it and the song called the wires but that it was like a five song ep and that i always loved because i was like oh just compact five songs this is sick so somewhere in there i don't know if any four song extended plays jump into your head i was actually as you're talking i was looking through it there i would say the first thing that comes to my mind and this is gonna be if you're not like a music head you're gonna make what the fuck is this guy talking about but f k twiggs who's a phenomenal artist she she has just released banger after banger but she had a ep and it was it's it's it's titled melissa but it's using numbers instead of letters which makes it confusing but it came out in twenty fifteen and it's five songs figure eight i'm your doll in time glass and patron and mother creep and it came out in twenty fifteen and she's a phenomenal artist all of her lps are killers but this five songs that she put together in this ep i think is my favorite work of hers so it's mine it's the maniac version of what of f k twiggs' catalog i guess but yeah that's what comes to my mind yeah i remember this cover i need to listen to this dude listen to all of her stuff she's sick i love the cover two weeks i know like the main stuff the like l p one yes era but yeah i'll revisit and then golden t p c said bill romanowski baby and just okay replied to our question and i remember like stories of romanowski of this dude was a dirty player and then i was reading his wikipedia i was like oh yeah this is just a bad guy the romanovsky was not a good person wasn't there steroids too yeah i think he was all juiced up he was getting in fights with teammates he like punched some marcus williams one of his teammates during a scrimmage he punched him in the face crushed his eye socket and the guy had to retire because of it which is just devastating had some racism allegations in there had some other fights in there so all around not good guy but just you know of the time juiced up linebacker winning super bowls i mean but not very good i'd see like he doesn't have a lot of the first female pro accolades and maybe that was because he was kind of a dirty guy i remember watching in nfl films like as a kid and i don't know if it was the whole episode or just a segment but they were talking about what happens in like a fumble pile up and people they were just telling stories of how bill romanowski would like be in a pile up and he would just grab anyone's finger he could find and just like basically try and rip your finger off like pull it back as hard as he could or like grabbing your nuts gouging eyes it's like goddamn dude like that shit you're just it's a dirty player but dude whenever i played in grade school or in high school whenever i played teams in that had a kid that did that that was the one thing and this is a personality flaw for me of like being messed with i i don't only not like it but i just like have an emotional outbreak whenever it typically happens i would say as i'm gotten to my forties i'm a lot better at managing it but in that era i did not so if i saw or if someone did that to me in the pile it usually resulted in some sort of penalty flag because i would lash out really bad i can't stand that type of player no no not up in here not up in here alright good stuff episode fifty three we got some good questions this week i'm excited and again had had time to look at the tape had time to digest so i'm i'm ready and let's get into it with with our boy drake's pc we're gonna start off with this little thought exercise this little banger drake says when ranking the best players of all time our friend chris mcgill shout out card letter uses total mvps as the primary basis for his ranking i agree with his assessment as things like super bowl titles are largely based on team performance and a little luck over individual performance when thinking of the best players at their position what formula does each of you use using your own formula rank the top three qbs running backs and receivers of all time can can we maybe do a little sidebar because i'm glad he brought up the hosch evaluation of the total mvps including like super bowl or finals and i've never really heard anyone when talking about mvps like bring all of those together and not only bring those together but use them as a way to rank players which i i i've listened to all chris' content so i hear him talk about it all the time i would love to like what is your perspective on that approach i i like it a lot i do think it says the thing that we are searching for when like collecting players of like were you the best player in the league at any point were you the best player on your team when your team had success like that's what those two things are kind of telling you like the mvp of the league means you were the best or should mean you were the best player in the league for that season you were the most valuable player for that season and then if you win a championship were you the reason you won the championship like we see that as a i feel like you see it more in nba because there's more like a kobe curry jordan lebron like those guys who have four to six rings each where it's like how many times were you the guy on the team jordan did it six times won six times won six finals mvps lebron four and four kobe won five titles i think he's finals mvp twice and then curry only once and like those become knocks where like oh curry only won finals mvp for four rings that's viewed as less than four finals mvps for four championships on the football side i don't see it not that it doesn't matter as much but there's just not the same like nice dataset of like four superstars who have like close to the same amount of titles and then like who has the finals mvps and so not saying it doesn't matter in football but i don't know it just seems there's just not as many use cases but also to me it's something i i definitely agree and like i value mvps for sure but to me it's taken a little bit of a hit or just i don't know if it's just me getting older but i think there's something about like the politics behind it and how transparent that like mvp race is now or how again just blame the media and technology for everything but i just feel like the narratives are like too out in the open and it's lost some mystique where like you're seeing like okay well it's gotta be embiid's year because it's been this person two years in a row like the whole voter fatigue thing i think is real and i feel like i've seen that actually happen now in multiple leagues where it's like the guy winning mvp maybe isn't actually far and away the most valuable or or i don't know it just like it's i don't put like all this weight into it as this like this thing is not wrong at all because i've just disagreed i guess with some of the recent awards so yes i think it's a valuable award obviously and i think it's a useful tool for thinking about careers and collecting but it's not like my end all be all i think the thing i come back to a lot like we've talked about the like moments mattering and like feel like i always kind of think of like how long was a player doing things that no one else could like how like was a player if you could if you were ever the best player in the league and like regardless of award but if like if you pass my eye test of like i remember watching you and there's a moment where i'm like no one is better than randy moss like i'm watching all these games of football and i can tell you that randy moss is the best receiver in the league right now i don't care what stats say it's just watching this person they're undoubtedly the best that makes a player more collectible whereas like and then i know we've brought him up many times and i know people collect them but like curtis martin curtis martin never gets that hobby love and i feel like because curtis martin was never the best running back in the league he did he was good running back for a long time and he put up big stats but i bet if you went year by year there was always someone who was more electric and more memorable than curtis martin so he just kinda stayed same thing with like a even a drew brees where it's like he just happened to play alongside manning and brady and so breeze was never really like better than brady or manning and rogers even and so it's just kinda like stayed at this put up amazing career numbers but just never had that like never won an mvp never had that high peak because of some of his competition so i don't know i think there's a lot we could talk about mvps and ranking players and how we assess them probably forever but that's kinda where my head went what were you thinking yeah i just i i like the idea of it but i think personally i tend to put a lot more weight into a regular season mvp award than i would a super bowl or finals like especially super bowl it's like it's one game like yeah yeah it's just one it that is so reliant on so many things to take shape and to play out and like so do we wanna do like it's almost like do we knock when the when the rams won the super bowl do we knock matthew stafford for not winning the mvp in in cooper kupp getting it like they the the rams don't get there without stafford and so that's an example that came to my mind and the same like on the nba side it's like because jalen brown won finals mvp does that mean is that a it that that's a knock on jayson tatum that he's not the guy on their team i know that's a series and it might be a little different but i don't know like they don't hold the same weight to me and i know you can argue well it's the the grandest stage it's the end but it it it there's there's like you the narrative you can push if you wanna put it together as well that player is responsible for getting them there and i don't i don't know like i don't know if that's always the case like everyone says oh curry only got one mvp well they're not fucking getting to the finals anytime without steph curry so like that's that's where i have a disconnect with right with the grouping and them both together i don't think they're the same thing yeah would be that's a very good call like because if they're if they're weighted the same if an mvp and a finals mvp are both one point o in this like calculation you can earn that super bowl or finals mvp based off of one good game where you can't pass other one based off of one good game you have to put together sixteen seventeen good games and like because then yes based on that metric if they are all the same it's like kenneth walker and barry sanders exactly are the same barry sanders no chance regular season mvp kenneth walker super bowl mvp that's where the argument breaks yeah but it is like it it becomes that tier two thing i think when arguing yeah like reg yes i i'm with you regular season mvp should be more weighted more than a finals mvp i i i yes and i have it's and whenever like hosea is talking about it i don't have like disdain for it and i'm like this kinda sounds good but like my natural state is to question everything and so i like i like consider all these factors and the one i keep going back to in that is what we just talked about it's like it's one game like do we that's another notch because mhmm they so it's different for a player like manning who won like four regular season mvps and it's like well of court like but but manning didn't always win super bowl mvp so it's yeah and if you look down if you went down read a list of nfl mvps it's always an unreal player who had an unreal season if you list off super bowl mvps you get some outliers and some flu like you've got larry drew is the one that always comes with these guys but santonio holmes malcolm smith nick foles julian edelman cooper kupp kenneth walker and like again good players who had great games but dion branch dexter jackson like heinz ward yes they all had memorable super bowls but to say that just because they performed in that one game is that equal to a full regular season mvp i don't know andre iguodala give me iguodala larry brown was the name the for the for the cowboys he won the cowboys were loaded and he won yeah larry brown and then i think he like went on to like get a contract somewhere and did absolutely nothing yeah okay but second part of drake's question so using though our own metric our own formula what are your top three quarterbacks running backs and receivers of all time so i i stats matter of course they matter but i also like i try to use my own like eye test and my own experience in watching the players there's a personal sentiment i have in this so the question was running back quarterbacks running backs receivers yes okay so my quarterback three has been the same quarterback three for as for maybe i don't know for as long as i can remember so brady manning montana those are the my in my opinion the three greatest quarterbacks of all time i i you know i feel like you can switch players in and out of that but i feel like i can just say that and i don't even need to like try to argue for it it's there'd probably be a lot of people that like have a similar list like that not everyone but similar running backs i got walter payton which will probably get you excited as a bears fan but like sweetness man like i grew up like when i my early years of like people like seeing nfl film and stories from my dad and it was walter payton like he was the guy and just go like go back and watch walter payton play football it's unbelievable so i have walter payton i've got barry sanders and i've got ladanian tomlinson tomlinson was more of a obviously best running back of his era but he changed the way the running back position like was possible with the pass game and so i i think tomlinson's like a very very influential football player and i think tomlinson will age well with time and then receivers obviously jerry rice randy moss i am one hundred percent being a homer here and putting marvin harrison on my list and i put marvin harrison on my list because if you cut any way you cut like the stats like touchdowns or receptions or whatever and you see guys ahead of him they they always played longer than him like he is the most efficient receiver i think ever like he ninety eight ninety six to twenty two thousand eight i think mhmm he played so you've got what twelve seasons in there i think tl played fourteen seasons i think like larry fitzgerald played sixteen seasons so like guys ahead of him and stats not named randy moss or jerry rice typically had more games played and marvin harrison i mean marvelous was an understatement i i've never watched a player that made my jaw drop more than marvin harrison and still to this day he was such a special player so talented in every phase of the game his route running his speed he could do everything and he wasn't the biggest guy like his hands were unreal so you'll have to like kill me before you take i take marvin harrison off of my list so that that's my list what do you got i love it yeah no no arguing on the list i went with who i've watched is where i went on this versus going into the the archives of it all and so but i still have manny brady i put rogers over montana and not to say like one v one rogers is better but just as someone i watch kill the bears twice a year every year for over a decade and then other teams too just like again watching peep someone that i'm like no one's doing this better than this guy right now there's many seasons where watching football i'm like this guy aaron rodgers is just the best quarterback in the league right now he doesn't make mistakes he's throwing for yards he's throwing for touchdowns this guy's unreal so and i've had that with brady and manny too like there have been multiple times watching those players where they did amazing things on the running back front i put tomlinson derrick henry and adrian peterson as the three that i've like really watched i mean i'm not again not saying they're better than like i would have probably all time barry peyton and then tomlinson i think i'd have that same three because shout out walter payton one thing about walter payton he is the fourth leading receiver in bears history the bears have a woeful history of just receiving yard leaders it's something i've monitored for a long time and johnny morris who played in the nfl from fifty eight to sixty seven is the bears all time receiving leader with five thousand and fifty nine yards and no one's topped it alshon jeffrey came close alshon jeffrey has four thousand five hundred forty nine he played there for four years walter payton is fourth with four thousand five hundred thirty eight yards so that that's something i thought dj moore might break dj moore got up to seventeenth before leaving i thought roman might trend for that after a good rookie year he had a slow sophomore year so i don't know i just hope one day i i watch someone break old johnny morris's record for the bears and then receivers i put moss i had a hard time with receivers moss i think megatron just from his highest high and i've knocked megatron's overall career but like his highest high i haven't seen anything like that where how big and how fast he was and he was he had put up almost two thousand yards it was unreal like just can't take that away from him and then i think julio jones or antonio brown would be like maybe my third like the those guys in their prime just were even odell beckham i loved obj like he had a couple years where it was like oh my god obi like a slant across the middle and obj's taken at sixty yards it seems like that was happening all the time so i don't know receivers it's it's not as defined as some of these others but so so rice isn't on the list just because you didn't i mean i watched rice at yes he would all time yes be on the list i only saw again i really started like watching football in like ninety nine yeah two thousand era and by then and like i mean i remember him going to the raiders and still like being good he was so productive after like turning forty it's great like rice's stats are insane and then to like go and look you know back at everything but yeah no i i was going focused on who i like really watched their entire career is kinda where i was bringing up my list yeah marvin though you're out of pocket put marvin up there mar manning made marvin like without manning what is marvin harrison like he'd be a good receiver but manning made everyone look good well we could get everyone look good does does does tom brady win all those super bowls without bill belichick i you could do this for everybody man yeah marvin though just i don't know you don't think marvin harrison was a good player i think he's a very good player i just think that like having dude you just said odell beckham junior you're putting him over marvin harrison if i had if odell had manning had peyton manning he had manning if he had peyton manning for his whole career he'd have better numbers than marvin oh come on odell's not dropping stay on the field dude get out of here with him odell's not dropping down and avoiding contact odell's running around and getting a touchdown twerking on the sidelines dude one thing i was looking at marvin's pro football reference very impressive he got in two thousand two second in voting for offensive player of the year behind my guy priest holmes so oh a very close very close race priest got twenty and a half how do you do half votes you shouldn't be able to do a half vote you should he got corruption twenty point five votes and marvin got fourteen point five votes so actually i guess maybe one voter split a half vote between priest and totals again twenty point five for priest fourteen point five for marvin i wanna i wanna recount they're they're trying to they're trying to steal the election from from marvin well no i need to know who find that voter who split their vote between priest and marvin that's that sounds like a they should be listening to the football card pod like we're we're your guys right here we are for what it's worth i think my honorable mention might be aaron rogers on the quarterback side so i i i think i've i've think very highly of him and watching him there there was not a one when manning retired you try to find focus of players you wanna watch and like be impressed by there has there has not been and this this includes mahomes this includes everybody there has not been another player playing quarterback that i've watched that has the same command and has wowed me other than aaron rodgers since since manning that's what i'm saying like marvin i feel like was never like and maybe it's just because the colts made it look that easy that i'm not giving him his credit but it just i'm always like yeah of course you're gonna score a touchdown here like yeah manning hit you wide open in this tampa two hole like it it seemed unstoppable off that play action so yeah and and i'm just maybe a cult hater a little bit maybe a some lingering resentment from that era well it's kinda like i think about it like from a winning perspective of like without draymond and without klay thompson is steph curry able to win all those games on that team without those guys no because he and as as lebron champion and then sometimes a steph hater it's like steph has never like taken just a random group of four guys to multiple finals he it had to go perfect for steph to win and he had to get kevin durant too that that was unfair that was just yeah it was that's a long this is the longest response to a question that that's why i put it up first i was like this we're gonna have some fun here but now let's get into some card topics from bolt card crew thoughts on trade nights overwhelming to me trust me man i was at the national trade night working for three nights in a row last year and oh my goodness like so overwhelming so much action so many people so much activity i think like really good for connecting in conversations but like that's not my scene like i'm not opening up a case and like just like making these impulse like decisions on things it's just that's that is a way to do the hobby that's not how i do it but i think it's a good good opportunity to connect yeah that same i like i love a trade night like i mean i've not been to many i love the idea of a trade night i wish it was something i could go to like the energy is always awesome just to see like okay the the dealer badges have been stripped away and now here's this free for all where anywhere that you're able to sit down crisscross applesauce and lay out some cards you can now be a dealer i like the democratization of the or decentralization of the the hobby that and and just like the trade itself is a core part of card tracking and but this got me thinking of i feel like we've talked about this before and i missed it i know you were a fan turntable fm uh-huh where you're like you have a little for those that don't know you basically had a little avatar and you could walk into a room and someone else would be djing in that room playing music and you could see that there's ten other people in there listening to music and there's a little chat we need that for trade nights give me turntable fm for for trades in general where it's like could log on with my pat nicholson guy and see that oh brett brett is online he's set up in this room what cards does he have out and see that you have ten cards laid out and maybe engage in a conversation potentially a transaction that way someone someone make that i yeah i'm all about that rip turntable dot f m one of the best platforms in internet history okay next up from write stuff cards how collectible slash valuable is the nineteen ninety eight fleer brilliance gold out of ninety nine so not the twenty four karat gold but the the gold out of ninety nine so i used to own a copy of this card and i could couldn't get over the fact that it was inferior to the twenty four karat gold especially when you see the twenty four karat gold and how beautiful it looks and then you look at the golds and they're just so dull once i'll never forget there was a moment in stacking slabs history that this literally like it all came to me and i was interviewing paul world combat this is when he owned the twenty four karat gold manning and he was wearing it in the interview around his neck and on a chain and it was just just even like recording with someone and with bad cameras like i could still see its beauty and i was just like man that card's something this card i have it's not that and that that that's that makes makes me pretty sad and so i i couldn't get over that i will say it's like the card's fine it's it's ninety nine copies rookie year there's a lot going on for it but it is hard for me in that scenario the one of one if it's one of one in another card like it's different but in that scenario where it's like twenty four to ninety nine copies and one looks so much better than the other i just i i couldn't get over it great card i just have a personal complex with it yeah i own one i got a sammy sosa because i wanted a twenty four karat gold sosa i got that as like a placeholder it did not last very long thinking about it a little more where we've talked about just gold shine and whipping up batches of gold shine in general like the the fleer brilliance gold ninety nine that's a dry gold right like and i like a full bodied gold i need that i need that juicy gold i i don't like the it's just that it's not my design but don't give me the marlboro light give me the marlboro red right yeah exactly it's no i feel like the it's the some it's like a virginia slim almost it's like it's not even really there it's not giving me what i'm yeah virginia slim is the ninety nine and newport is my there you go gold out of twenty four but but then i'm thinking about it it's like i never wanna like knock a card like yes that card's not for me but then if someone if i saw someone to put together like a full set of that in ninety nine i'd be like that's sick like do it like the the card itself could be attractive but then they're all like the collecting act can also be attractive or awesome too and like that that i feel like we see that a lot we kinda talk about that a lot but like yeah so even though not my favorite kind of card if i saw them in quantity i would instantly be like that looks awesome so would would you wouldn't you wouldn't you say though like this would be cool if this were these were twenty four carat golds instead yeah i would yeah and then i'd like who has done that i'm more impressed by that alright next up from steelerscardfella what was the time slash card you felt the most fiscally irresponsible after a purchase so i i was trying to think about this i think it's not it hasn't really happened for a moment it happened when i purchased the jay cutler in twenty twelve black finite it there was a feeling of you better know what you're doing which is kind of the only time i've really felt that and i think it was just the situation where because the card ended in like the middle of the day on a saturday and so i was vividly remember i'm with my family i'm with my wife and daughter we're outside of world market waiting for like a piece of furniture to like come out to the car you know i'm just like standing there with the trunk open like watching this auction countdown and i had done it through wharf so wharf was bidding so i'm not even bidding i'm just like watching like what's gonna happen and what was your max bid by the way on that like twelve thousand six hundred and it went for twelve one zero seven i think oh wow it was tight and yeah and it's and so it's like my wife's there and well aware of what's going on and we were just probably in world market where i probably bought it buying a lamp because it's a hundred and twenty dollars and then i walk out to the parking lot and spend twelve thousand dollars on a jay cutler card so like there there was like a sobering moment of like uh-huh like you better know what you're doing and also the fact that it was like a jay cutler card and a bears card of like is my bias blinding me here like is this actually a good purchase is this a smart decision or am i fully off the deep end here you know it that purchase created more doubt than other purchases ever have but then you know within the next couple weeks i sent i think i paid for that entire cutler off of ten or twelve cards that i was into them for way way less that auctioned off with morph and did well and like that resolved any doubts but there was that moment when that when that hammer hit where i had some doubts or i felt i felt a little irresponsible but it worked out in the end that's that's good perspective and i would say i think you you've you've done just fine on that card so i would nothing like for me this is tough because i view cards and money sometimes as just its own little fantasy land and it's really hard like that example of like just barking at a a hundred and twenty dollar lamp resonates so so well with me because like i've needed a new macbook for a while because of my screen's messed up like part of it and i just like i can't i can't bite the bullet because it's still functioning and i am just view it as card money like well this is card money that i could be spending on but i i tend to i don't know like there's this part of me that whenever the it is a big card and when i'm classifying big card i'll just say like all cards can be big but when if it's something i don't wanna come out of pocket on which is typically five thousand dollars and above a lot of times i don't just wanna pull that out of like my business account mhmm and so my like my level of responsibility i feel like there's a level of responsibility for me that instead of like taking out five k which could pay for something that would be a regular expense i instead turn to my cards and i consolidate and so i never really even like i never feel regret or i feel like i'm being irresponsible when i do that but yeah not saying i haven't made irresponsible decisions like it's how do you classify it like i remember last year like walking down talbot street here and like being on my phone and there was the anthony richardson nebula that was ending and i was like he like i remember having these thoughts i was like daniel jones is gonna beat this guy for the job this guy's probably never gonna play quarterback here in indianapolis ever again and i still really want this card and i remember i think i put in like a twenty one hundred dollar bid on it and because i it was like first year nebula it fits in my collection and i think i got the card for like sixteen hundred it could that be considered irresponsible for sure but it's like i i want the card and i still own the card so i just think it's it's how we classify it it's our situations but anytime you're gonna spend big money out of pocket regardless of if you think it's like the best investment opportunity ever i feel like there's going to be some level of like should i really be doing this but i tend to like alleviate that by leaning on cards to help fund that yeah yeah that's a great example and the current stuff that is during this specific time of when i'm buying caleb williams cards i'm like oh yeah i'm paying more than this card's gonna be in two years you know that i know it i know it so i'm not i don't feel irresponsible i just yeah alright last question from cdg sports instagram usernames reveal a lot about a collection slash personality of the collector given your current collection and goals if you could change or update your ig username which you can there are settings for that what would you change it to this one instantly came to me i didn't even have to think it twice about it but i wanna be the colts prism guy i saw that that made me laugh out loud dude it came to me i read the question and i didn't even think twice that's what instantly that's what i put that's so good i i i had to sit there and think about like because then i was like thinking through my journey of like if if i put based it off player it's like maybe priest the beast maybe some like because then i started thinking of like the screen namification of it right like what would what would our screen names in on aol ninety six be for these or smoke smoking j four twenty i think smoking j four twenty would have done numbers in these streets but to keep it on the train of thought when i originally created pat nicholson i thought maybe pat nicholson or then you could go packy kennedy maybe packy chain i love this rapper jackie chain shout out jackie chain he's on the song rolling with kit cudi but then also has a bunch of his own great music so yeah i probably would've just kept going down the replacing jack with pac thought process little pac beverly pac morris what was the worst one you said pac mickelson pac that was my favorite that's gonna be my golf account i'm gonna just start collecting golf cards yeah shout out cdg i i like that from from the jump good questions everybody thank you for submitting as always i'm an open submit a question anytime to the football card pod on instagram but it's always best if you do it on a monday i gotta just lock in monday as the question day because sometimes people send stuff like now on thursday and be like i'll be like oh that's good for next week and then it just i forget about it it gets lost in the dms because when i do like the story shares it just buries everything and it becomes impossible to find so mondays hit up questions on mondays takes comments players sets whatever alright should we get into some sales let's do it shout out cardladder for presenting the data for sales of the week and we gotta start it off with a guy who's just been everywhere recently in our conversations people are posting his cards but we had the sale of the two thousand and seven finest calvin johnson superfractor one of one and a psa ten how about that this thing sold for sixty thousand dollars in the premier auction big old sale unconventional looking super fracture mind you with the red borders and the super fracture swirls in the middle o seven never really gets talked about too much because of the impact of o five and o six but calvin johnson one of the best receivers of all time pretty big sale what say you yeah huge sale highest selling calvin card ever broke the previous high so the top three calvin sales are all from the last two months which is pretty interesting this one at sixty k april sixteenth of this year on all his twenty twenty five vertical green kaboom sold for twenty eight thousand eight hundred before that in may or i guess after that in date but before that in price may ninth twenty twenty six his twenty twelve prism orange pylon sold for twenty six thousand nine hundred and sixty two dollars that was raw that makes me just this all makes me wanna know where's that black finite how much would that sell for if it came to auction if the pylon's doing twenty seven k his rookie's doing sixty k i bet that finite i think the finite could pass this rookie this this rookie doesn't look good i don't love dude how this card looks i mean the red see the red when there's a random color border that doesn't go with the team it it doesn't do it for me distracts me i hate to project and speculate but it's hard for me it's hard for the finite not to be a six figure card i just yeah i i just with the way things are trending but it agreed like i love the photo here i love like awesome the gold middle super factor looks great and this is if i were a lions guy if i were a calvin guy i would need this card i would want this card this would be top of the list so congrats to whoever got this this is an incredible card just like do do you wish the the the full body swirls were border to border yeah yeah dude if if there was no red and it was just all swirls and it was floating in the swirls catching the ball i think that would be yeah better but the red and that that's always bugged me with this year is the red on the super factors the golds from this year are actually very shiny and have a nice little gold thing going for them but yeah two thousand seven just has never been one of the top years but and then i look at same thing with o six and o five finest though those super factors they're just not my favorite mhmm and i love those sets i love all i love finest it's no knock on the set it's the i don't know they just didn't have the super factor the super factor crops just weren't weren't cropping calvin johnson an advocate for doing colorado things before games to alleviate the pain and but overall awesome sale for football cards awesome sale for skill players everywhere just yeah come on like this is crazy this is cool alright we move over to a wow are you ready to little little vintage football vintage football talk yeah alright we have a thirty five national checkl bronco nagurski in a psa two sold on golden for fifty eight thousand five hundred and sixty dollars and we've talked a lot about bronco nagurski but what's perfect is these worlds colliding for me where i've got bronco nagurski and this monster sale being reported and i was listening to wrestling insider dave meltzer on wrestling observer radio i'm a big nerd i'll pick up my kids and i'll be listening to dave just talk about bullshit and the business and everything and i and this is like perfect timing where i pulled this card and i was listening to dave picking up my kids and all of a sudden dave starts talking about bronco nagurski i was like you've got to be shitting with shitting me and he was honoring there's some like honor and award for nagurski's time as a professional wrestler and i did not know this but in nineteen thirty nine i knew he was a wrestler and he took time as a professional wrestler but i didn't realize in nineteen thirty nine he defeated lou thez who is like one of the most acclaimed wrestlers of all time stone cold steve austin used the fez press as a move like named after luthes bronco nagurski defeated luthes in nineteen thirty nine in texas to win the india n w nwa heavyweight championship and i was like does anyone have a better legend than brother mugurski i mean my god like football professional wrestling and it's just i see a card like this and i'm like you hear the stories and it's like well no shit this card's almost sixty thousand dollars this guy's an absolute legend so shout out bronco nagurski yeah that's awesome i'd yeah i didn't know all about the the wrestling part of his career but we've talked about some nagurski stories him running into brick walls at wrigley and just crushing people it says here on wikipedia nagurski had the largest recorded nfl championship ring size at nineteen and a half which i don't know how ring sizes like who knows if that's dated or not but i i mean i just remember from getting married and like ring sizes just being single digits yes not being eighteen and a half nineteen and a half so nagurski had some some sausage fingers and helped him beat the shit out of people clearly so shout out nagurski alright we how about another we got bears list six this was not this this was not planned it was i saw both of these i was like this will be fun sixty two tops didka psa eight another golden sale sixteen thousand one hundred and four dollars i love this card i you just to see we like i don't know through childhood or just envisioning ditka it's like he's like the the the coach of the bears ditka is such a how i think about him in my head and just to see him several shades younger on this in a portrait shot and an action shot on this card is awesome and they have his position listed on the card as end mhmm just yeah end all be all is thick i don't think i'd ever seen this card like i haven't composition of it the yeah sixties like kinda pop party i don't know that's i need to get one of these i think i think i'm gonna go try and buy one of these shout out to coach one quick aside on nagurski i had pulled up the highest sale ever of a nagurski card was that a copy of that card up psa eight and a half oh wow nineteen for a hundred and seventy four thousand holy cow that has a card letter value now of eight hundred and nine thousand and i was looking there is a pop nine so the pop nine is or there's a psa nine that's a pop one that has never sold so oh my god that just all of that data makes me wanna see that nagurski nine come to auction to see what kind of number that could do but yes shout out nagurski shout out dikka dude i'm trying to make you feel at home now that you've returned home and i swear i met did not plan to do it so we got another bears bears card i thought we had to talk about this card so the twenty five topps chrome caleb williams superfractor one of one and of psa ten this card sold in premier for forty nine thousand two hundred dollars so that gives you some sort of like set on a what a nonrookie super hot in demand player in twenty five chrome what their where their super fractures flirting with so obviously a a monster sale but expectations for for mister madden boy and yeah caleb williams the ice man are are out of control so awesome sale awesome card yeah kinda back to my point of feeling irresponsible buying his cards right now this is a prime example of that where i mean awesome card i would love to have this card but i think like matthew stafford's sold for fifteen k wow like i mean i love my guy but it's just hard when you see things like that where you start to break it down and see that other big superstar quarterbacks who've achieved much much more in their careers already are selling for fractions of the price that just is always a flag in my mind so unfortunately i couldn't i couldn't pull off this purchase in a a white market parking lot but i mean what a sick card yeah it's so it's so good he's running he's on the move it it got a ten just the twenty twenty five chrome design has grown on me so much with the team colors and the the big team logo i love when they use that bear logo not the c but the the bear face logo is awesome so no this card rules i i think this might be the best looking caleb williams card yeah card i've seen the photo's perfect the composition obviously it's a super factor that you you called out the the bare face detail which i think is a good one but this card is so solid so yeah because i i am a prism simp but his two prism photos because he has two years of prism just the twenty five i like twenty fives his rookie just was a little uninspiring so sit standing flat foot yeah just a little give me some movement give me some movement of ice man alright last one back to the the shield the redemption yes twenty five tops chrome honors we're we're honoring defensive player of the year patrick sertan the second patch otto one of one this thing sold for thirty two thousand one hundred dollars so who do who who doesn't spend big money on defensive players but obviously like great player probably the best quarterback in the league but yeah these cards are this is we're just getting started but also it's very encouraging to say like okay this isn't isolated to just like josh allen but there's a lot of interest and i'm i'm this is one of those cards where i'm more curious than ever before on like who won this card like who is the winner of this card but yeah big sale had to call that out and this just has me thinking more of the logistics of these redemption cards because this is redemption card which looks like shit like it's all chipped on the sides like the the actual redemption card is not presenting well but on the redemption card is a picture of the already signed card if the card is already signed why are we redeeming it isn't the whole part of it good point being redeemed is that it hasn't been signed yet and they need more time so if it's not actually signed this is just a photoshop mock up which why why waste my time i don't know just got questions about the picture of an actual card being on a redemption card seems silly to me you know you see that like it's a good point but you see some of that with like the promotion of some of these bigger cards that they create for like tops now and stuff and they're like out instantly with like little inscriptions and i'm like how are you gonna get them to do it perfectly just like that yeah exactly but anyway yeah i'd love to see kind of where these cards land but yeah big one yeah alright let's get into quick collecting updates and your card call out we'll get out of here collecting updates what are the current collecting projects that you're focusing your resources on brett any any updates first week in a long time where i had nothing new coming my way nice i had a couple i had the whole i was gone all last week so my mail was on hold and so stuff was supposed to get delivered and then it wasn't it like missed the day it was supposed to come back you know those little moments of is my mail lost forever because i had two cards waiting but they came in one is this twenty twenty five finest caleb williams black geometric out of ten the rare we've talked about just the black geometrics out of tops chrome out of finest finest still trips me up where there's like the common version out of twenty uncommon out of fifteen rare is out of ten but i like the black geometrics out of regular tops chrome i like cards out of ten it's got the finite pattern like alright i i can get behind this thing and so this finest popped up and i figured why not go for it so got that and then i got this lavion bell twenty seventeen contenders cracked ice this was like twenty dollars it just popped up on ebay i love lavion just like look at that thing yeah look it presents very well i've owned the i've owned that year before of of luck or manning or somebody and those are is that twenty seventeen twenty seventeen yeah yeah twenty seventeen cracked ice are nice that's just going nuts yeah whatever that cracked ice batch that they cooked up that year they were they were cooking and then card call out let's see we procrastinated and said that we'd think of something during this episode i was trying to think of it while we were doing it nothing's come up let's see what we talk about we could go like this was a big calvin episode maybe it's like skill players receivers we could just do a general let's see something there we saw a lot of bears cards we could do a bears card call out we could do cracked ice i mean this cracked ice was glistening yeah let let's just let's do it cracked ice it is yeah so basic trying to think any parameters we wanna put on this or yeah from the floodgates dice open open interpretation whatever cracked dice means to you it doesn't have to officially be panini cracked dice it could be you know there's atomics atomics there's many different sapphire now i feel like newer brands it's yeah cracked dice you know a cracked dice when you see it take a picture post it tag the football card pod on instagram we will reshare and repost thank you all for listening we'll see you next week