Hello, and welcome back to the Football Card Podcast. This is episode five of the fastest growing podcast in the world that is focused on football cards and, most importantly, football cards.

I'm your host, John, aka Pac Nicholson. And with me, as always, is Brett, mister stacking slabs himself. Brett, how you doing? Our guys are on the field practicing at training camp. I'm watching all the clips day one as we record this.

The Colts are on the field playing ball. And, you know, you get nerdy, when you are a degenerate fan like myself. And the big story line for the day, for me, and I'm probably the only one who cares about it if you're a, not a Colts fan.

But, I'm texting all my Colts buddies, Justin Wally, our rookie cornerback who we drafted, is actually starting day one in place of Jalen Jones.

And Colts fans love Jalen Jones at corner. So you've got, Jarius Ward, Kenny Moore, and they're starting Wally, who's the rookie, but then you got Juju Brenz too, and you got Jalen Jones.

And it's like, do we in Indianapolis have a quarterback problem? Because that would be a really good thing. So it's like these types of things you observe and conversations you have in your group chats, but I'm fired up, man.

I'm gonna go out to camp, in a couple weeks and just, smell the grass, touch the grass, and watch some guys, hopefully, not get hurt.

It's happening. It's all happening. Soon, we're gonna get the the hard knocks. The sprinklers are gonna be going. We're close. We're getting close.

Have the bears report the bears reported yet? Bears reported. Training can't like, I do it is exciting. I read all the news, but it's just always so it'll be like, Caleb Williams looked good in seven on sevens, and it's like, oh, okay.

This is awesome. Like, I guess they're gonna be great. And it just never the past, like, few years, bear strain the bears have looked great in training camp, and then they stink.

So I just don't let it hold that much weight for me. What I can't stand, and this already happened, the Internet just psychoanalyzing absolutely every play at training camp.

There Richardson, like, first day, had had a a throw that sailed on him. And then, of course, the Internet just took it and ran with it.

And it's like, okay. It's like, let's just, like, do we really need, like, a misthrow in training camp on day one to be, like, a narrative starter? And I'm not here to, like, defend Richardson.

I think it's very, it's very good that there's, like, a quarterback competition in place, but I'm like it was like a reminder. It was like, oh, yeah. This again. And I'm just like, maybe I'll just stay away from Twitter for a bit.

Yeah. But and then you can always look at it like, oh, Caleb threw a pick and seven on sevens. That means the defense is just humming. That's how I got it. Like, you can win on both sides.

That's right. Let's get into it. Episode five, we had a a comment slash prompt left by Bye Bye Babies Bye Bye Baby Cards, AKA Andy, left a comment on the Stacking Slaps Patreon on the last episode that I thought was worth exploring.

We talked about a little. And, you know, isn't it great when the loyal FCP listeners just provide the research and original thinking so we don't have to and we just get to talk about it. It's nice. I mean, it's perfect. Thank you, Andy.

Wait. Here's what he said. Here's possibly a hot take, and I'm not sure if you guys take listener questions or suggestions, but I've always been fascinated by the idea of longevity in football and whether it might actually be overrated.

Take Terrell Davis. In just a four year stretch, he won two Super Bowls, an MVP. A Super Bowl MVP was named offensive player of the year twice and made three first team all pros. That's a hall of fame resume compressed into four years.

That's absurd, and that's why he is in the hall of fame. But what more could a player possibly accomplish? He did everything a player could ever dream of, and then injuries took him down. But did he really have to do more?

Now don't get me wrong, TD is definitely celebrated. But when I look at his place in the hobby and market, I still don't think he's celebrated enough. Another example is Barry Sanders versus Emmitt Smith debate.

Dominant, maybe more dazzling, unique, yet shorter career versus success, longevity, and accumulated stats. So Andy's question is twofold, and he says, one, is longevity overrated?

That's we'll start there. Let's just start with the the first question that he posed. Is longevity overrated? Brett, what do you think? I think I'm, like, really excited to dig into this.

This is a fantastic topic. When I first saw it, I love the caveat by Andy saying, I don't know if you take listener questions because I was, like, trying to, like, try to immediately address it and answer it on the spot.

And I was like, no. You know what? We can put it on ice. And I sent it to you, and it's like, let's talk about it on the pod.

My reaction on longevity, I don't necessarily think longevity is overrated, but I think that there's players that benefit in the grand scheme of things based on their longevity.

And I also like I'm a fan of longevity because, football is such a violent and vicious game, and guys get taken out that to me, it it's really challenging to to knock someone who has maybe lasted longer or a lot longer than others.

When I when I saw longevity and I I don't wanna, like, mix words, and I don't want it to come across this way at all because I I we're talking about under underrated or overrated.

We're talking about longevity. But, like, when I saw the question, the first player that came to my mind was Frank Gore. Now I, by no means, think Frank Gore is overrated, but I think he's an interesting character to talk about.

I love Frank Gore. Frank Gore, obviously, great San Francisco '40 niner along with many other teams, but had a really solid run-in here in Indianapolis. So I got to cheer for him as my lead back for, a few years, and he was awesome.

So let's look at, Frank Gore's stats. But I I think you say Frank Gore, and people are like, oh, really good player, but no one, like, says Frank Gore is, like, you know, the best or the all time.

But if you break down his stats okay. So he's got sixteen sixteen thousand yards, third all time. He's third all time in rushing attempts. Rushing touchdowns, twentieth at 81.

And the list goes on and on. He's five five time pro bowler, second team all pro, which I think we are talking about, like, the measuring stick of all pro being a, like, really important one in terms of talking about the best.

And Frank Gore, although third all time, just has one second team.

He was a part of the 20 tens all decade team. No no Super Bowl wins and, or MVPs. I think Gore's durability is unmatched. It's just like he kept playing. It was like, oh, Gore's playing again. He's taking a one year deal in Miami.

He's taking one year deal in Buffalo. He just kept playing. So I think, like, his his durability is unmatched. I think the argument against him is, like, he's just because he played for for so long, he's a stack compiler.

And I think, like, the opposition would say he's overrated, which I don't think so because I led with saying, I don't think I don't think longevity longevity is is overrated.

But my ultimate conclusion is that his cards are underrated. And I have a couple examples here. Frank Gore's highest selling card of all time is this 23 flawless platinum one of one.

So, shield, where he's got an inscription, with the tanks. You're getting, like, a Frank the Tank auto on it, which is cool. This card sold for $3,360 in January. This is the highest selling Frank Gore card of all time.

And another card that we can talk about is his twenty twelve Prizm. His gold Prizm PSA nine, has sold a few times recently, coupled I think this copy sold twice in six months, and there's a raw copy that sold.

But in December on December 15, this card sold for $2,880, a shout out card ladder. I'll say this. Like, my world is Prizm for the most part.

Like, it's my what I obsess over psychoanalyze prices. And I see Frank Gore, third leading rusher of all time, a player who makes me feel good. I've never literally ever heard any NFL fan talk smack about Frank Gore.

He's just a guy who kicks ass, lunch pail guy. But I see his gold Prizm here, debut year, selling for under 3 k, and I'm just like, there's there's a lot of value in Frank Gore.

And I know, like, that's one person's opinion, but when I saw the question, I immediately went down to the Frank Gore route.

And I just think there's a lot of lot to talk about with a player like this who I think is, very favorable. Every fan base who gotta cheer from, I would say, especially forty niners fans, and then I would say Colts fans, love them.

And a final note here. I a a glaring hole in my Colts Prizm collection are the Colts Frank Gore cards. I can't find them anywhere.

I've searched high and wide. I I can't find them, and I want them so bad. And my thought process is and you're probably out there listening. You're a forty niners fan who loves to collect Gore because you're like, he's so cheap.

And probably along the way, you're building out your gold Prizm runs and you're saying, you know what? I need to get his Colt stuff too. So if you're out there and you got any doubles, at stacking slabs, come find me.

But I just said a lot, John. What do you have to say? No. That was great. For me, though, like, I don't think longevity is overrated at all because, like, who has benefited from longevity in the hobby?

Like, I don't I can't think of anyone that is more collected just because they played longer. Normally, they played longer and had sustained success, and that's why they're collectible.

It's like I'm not people aren't collecting Tom Brady because he played twenty two seasons. He won seven Super Bowls. That's why they're collecting Tom Brady. And if anything, I think longevity can be negative and hurt a player.

Like, why is Barry Sanders more collected than Emmitt Smith? And that's, I don't have facts to back that up, but it feels like Barry Sanders' cards sell for higher than Emmitt Smith's cards.

For sure. That's what I'm basing it off of. And I think it's because Emmitt played longer, and he had those years where we saw slow Emmett on the Cowboys and Emmett on the Cardinals, like, hanging around.

Barry Sanders didn't put any bad tape out there. He played ten years, he looked awesome in all ten, and then he was out.

And for that reason, it's like we never saw Barry past his prime, and so he has that he always is bringing up images of him juking and cutting and doing the Barry Sanders thing.

And then, like, no one wanted to see Allen Iverson on the Grizzlies. That's that's another thing.

Like, when people stay longer than they should, when they go for these accumulated stats, I don't think it translates to collectability. People collect AI because they love nineties cards or they love the sixers years.

I don't think they're thinking about his cumulative stats in that way. Like, do Jordan fans like that he came back for the Wizards years to, like, add to his total stats?

Or I I would assume they're probably annoyed because it lowered all his averages. Like, his points per game career dropped one and a half after the two Wizards years.

Like, his assists, rebounds, percentages, everything dropped. Like, if he just hadn't gone back to Washington, I don't think I don't think people like the extra, you know, 3,000 total points he scored from those Wizards years.

I bet they prefer that he had just ended it after Chicago. And then another couple players that got me thinking about kind of thinking of, the Barry and Emmett, Calvin Johnson, Antonio Brown, Julio Jones.

They're in all three of those players, their first nine seasons, very similar numbers. Calvin Johnson had 11,619 yards.

Antonio Brown had 11,207 yards. Julio Jones had 12,125 yards. Calvin Johnson, 84 touchdowns. Antonio Brown, 79 touchdowns. Julio, 58 touchdowns. So all very similar touchdowns. Calvin, far ahead of Julio. Antonio Brown's right there.

Julio's yards higher than Calvin's. But the point is, Calvin left after that ninth season. He retired. He's done. Antonio Brown, we got to see do jumping jacks off the field and become the poster child of CTE.

Julio Jones went to the Titans, and then he went to the Eagles. Like, them bouncing around, if they would have just retired after their ninth seasons, they're comparable to Calvin.

So I don't when it comes to longevity, I think if you're like, it makes sense to me that the hobby values sustained greatness.

Like, and so then thinking is the question here just, like, should Terrell Davis be more celebrated, or is he, like, on par with Barry and Emmett?

I like, I'm not sure if that's what Andy's trying to get at, and I feel like Terrell is properly rated.

Like, he had three six seasons, two especially great ones and, like, great playoff runs, but then he was out, whereas, you know, Barry had ten awesome years.

So it's just hard to I I think it's just different categories. Like, but I don't think people are collecting Barry more than Terrell just because Barry played more seasons.

It's because he played more seasons at an extremely high level and was, like, the best running back in the league during those playing years. Yeah. I think you get into with Davis.

You get into I and maybe the point of view Andy is thinking about is, like, the volume of accolades in such a short time Mhmm. And a lot like, yeah, there's the MVP, the MVPs, but then there's the two Super Bowls.

And so it's like then you're getting into this, like, accolade game where you're trying to which I'm Terrell Davis, like, what he did in that short time span is unmatched.

But, like, you're taking that short time span unmatched, and then you're comparing it from a collectibility perspective with, like, the ten great unbelievable years of Barry Sanders being rushing champ, all doing all the things and, not hardly sniffing the playoffs and not really winning much.

And I don't know.

All of this conversation really gets my brain in the space that, like, what what yeah. Stats matter. Yeah. Hardware matters. All this stuff matters with collecting, but I think what matters the most is the memories and the moments.

And, like, if you knew anything about, like, a Barry Sanders, like, in your mind, you just can see those runs because you saw them every year when even if you watch the Lions once on Thanksgiving, where Trell Davis, it's to me, when I think of him, I think of the, Super Bowls, and I think of the mile high salute.

But, like, the the the moments and the memories and the runs, like, don't quite come as quickly.

So that's kinda where my head space goes. Yeah. I think the they had he put more tape out there. Like, he had ten years of giving people chances to watch him and make those memories, and that's what drives that collectability.

I I feel like Terrell Davis, people think of yeah. The two Super Bowls, the MVP, the Super Bowl MVP, and and then he was gone. Like, he he barely played after that.

So it it just wasn't enough time maybe to leave that the same impact that these other guys did. So so a guy that as we were talking through this that we weren't planning to talk about, but I looked up while we were talking.

Dude. Okay. Who fits in this conversation? And I'm glad, like, it I got triggered on it. Adrian Peterson. Okay? Mhmm. How many year here how many years do you think Adrian Peterson played for the Minnesota Vikings?

Don't look. How many years? What? He's drafted o seven, eight? Ten and a half. Ten and a half? Okay. How how many with other teams? I feel like he bounced around at least four more years.

Eight and a half. He played nineteen years? '19 2007 to 2021. Okay. Okay. May I'm I can't add then. Damn. That's But but, like, I I I bring up Peterson to say, what what if, like, what if what year did Peterson win the MVP?

He won in 02/2012. Okay. So in 2012 alright. Let's just say he in let's just say in 2016, Peterson decided to hang it up. Do you think more people would wanna collect Adrian Peterson or less people wanted to collect Adrian Peterson?

I think so. I think more. Yeah. I don't think I do too. I don't think running for 604 yards in 2020 with the Detroit Lions That's right.

Really helped his, Yeah. Collectability. Like, retiring at the prime is it's what it's all about. And he would have only been with the Vikings for his whole career. That's another thing that people love.

Yeah. I don't like, yes. I guess he climbed a couple extra spots on, like, the all time rushing list, but, no, I don't think It's the dude, you see you see Adrian Peterson in a Titans jersey, and it makes me feel weird.

You know? It's like one of the you see him in a Seahawks jersey. It makes me feel weird. Like, I think players, like, hurt their overall collectibility when they keep running it back or running two new teams over and over.

It just and and they're not they're they're okay, but but they're just shells. They're shells of themselves in with a new uniform on.

2021 for the Seahawks, Adrian Peterson, 11 carries for 16 yards. I wanna make a a highlight reel of just those 11 carries. Who's who's got the jersey out there? Which which mem which Seahawks fan has the Peterson jersey?

I I wanna see it. Okay. And then for part two of his question, which was twofold, he says, in the hobby especially, shouldn't we show more love to players who burn bright and burn fast, but the candle wick was short?

And then he says, and for fun, do you guys have any personal favorites?

I guess I can start with this one. I can't say what anyone in the hobby should or shouldn't do, but I do think it makes sense that the hobby as a whole rewards these long careers.

But if a player who, like, burned bright and fast speaks to you, just buy the damn card. That's all I can advise. Because, like, to me, it starts with that emotional attachment to sports and moments.

And, like, if you have this feeling that Terrell Davis put up these accolades in this short amount of time and not enough people are talking about it and you think it should be more valued or more collected, more desired, whatever it is, like, just just get them.

And who cares what the rest of the hobby is doing? And, honestly, like, I don't want the hobby buying what I'm buying and uncovering some of these guys.

Because, like, for me, Priest Holmes is I collect for the exact reasons that people probably collect collect Terrell Davis. Like, his his three year stretch, statistically stronger than Terrell Davis is.

He just doesn't have the postseason success. He didn't win the MVP. He didn't win a Super Bowl MVP. He actually got robbed of the MVP in in the 2,000, if you ask me. That was the year that Manning and McNair split it.

Which which but let me you can complain, but let me complain first. Manning just Manning beat McNair two times that season and had to split it. I mean, I know he's got five five regular season MVPs, but come on now.

That one, I'm I'm just sorry. That one I never agreed with. Alright. Peyton Manning, 29 touchdowns, 10 interceptions. Priest Holmes ran for 27 touchdowns that year. Like, he had two less touchdowns as a running back to your quarterback.

McNair had 24 touchdowns. Priest Holmes had 27. Like, that's and Holmes had 2,110 scrimmage yards. He just went absolutely insane, but, I guess, Peyton, you know, Peyton had the votes. It's hard to be a running back out there.

It is. But, yeah, he had the offensive player of the year. The year before, he and then and then in that 2003 season, the Chiefs played one playoff game and lost to Peyton Manning and the Colts in that legendary Arrowhead game.

And in it, Priest had 208 total yards and two touchdowns. Like, he balled out in his one playoff game. So all all of that is to say, I understand collecting the people who burned bright and burned out fast.

I think it's so fun to do it. And, you know, if it's speaking to you, if it feels like something that people aren't paying attention to, just do it anyways.

Like, you don't like, I I don't wanna be doing the things that every single person in the hobby is doing or want every single person in the hobby to catch on and start doing what anyone says, but I don't know.

What do you think about that second part? I would say, it it speaks to me because a large portion of my collection is all about this.

And I will bring up Andrew Luck, his name here, as being maybe the definition of this. And also from, like, a broader hobby perspective, he is a player that probably lost more football investors money than anyone else.

But for me, I don't care, because he's a player that I deeply love. He's one of my favorite players of all time.

He like, injuries aside and everything, like, he played six actual seasons. So it we got 86 games of Andrew Luck. Now everyone listening out there knows Andrew Luck, and everyone can visualize a moment or two of Andrew Luck.

So he's 53 33 as a starter. Went to the AFC championship. His final year, 2018, literally, the next year, he hung it up. 4,593 yards, 39 touchdowns, 15 interceptions, comeback player of the year.

I was in Lucas Oil for the crazy wild card comeback in 2014 against the Chiefs, orchestrated by Andrew Luck, one of the most absolutely ridiculous games I've ever seen.

And, really, for me, I'm getting chills, literally chills, thinking about it right now as I'm talking about it. I've never seen anything like it.

And I probably never will see anything like it. And that's the shit that makes you wanna collect their cards. Final punctuation point on luck is, no one ever talks about this, but I like to talk about it.

Luck owned Peyton Manning. He owned him. He he Peyton came to town. We all cheered for him in his weird orange Broncos jersey. We all gave him the standing ovation, and the Broncos were undefeated.

In 2013, the Colts beat him on prime time 39 to 33. Now I got overzealous the next year. I got on an airplane and went to, Mile High to see the opener where Manning versus the Colts in Denver.

Wasn't so lucky that game. Broncos won thirty one twenty four. But in the playoffs divisional around 2015, Colts beat luck redemption or beat Manning redemption in Denver twenty four thirteen.

And then in Manning's last year, Colts win 27 to 24. So luck was three in one against Peyton Manning. I mean, I I I you can't check enough boxes on a player that I want to collect. Luck checks them all.

So I am very, I'm very big on this. Like, I don't they don't need to be a hall of famer. It's what matters to you and what they make you feel. And sometimes those guys with the shortest careers leave you with the best lasting memories.

Yep. Speaking of Onan Manning, this was a take that's been brewing in my head that you actually probably won't like. But is he the most, like, underwhelming Super Bowl performing quarterback of all time?

Like, his Super Bowl numbers are terrible. And Peyton Manning in his four Super Bowls had a passer rating of 77. 4 with 1,001 yards, three touchdowns, and five interceptions.

Those are his four Super Bowls, that's bad. So so the so the the win the 41, obviously, like, he he he had a pretty it wasn't a great game, but he had a decent enough game to to win MVP, obviously. It was gonna be him no matter what.

It was gonna be him. Rhodes. Dominic Rhodes had quite the day. But, yeah, the elements with the rain, and then you have the just absolute bloodbath, like, maybe the worst Super Bowl ever against the Seahawks.

And then by 2015, he was a shell of himself, and it was all about the defense. So I don't know. I'd have to dig into that.

But And one more, this will sting. Threw a pick six to seal the Saints one when he was like, if they were to score a touchdown on that drive, they See, I was trying to black I was trying to black it out in my mind, dude.

Why'd you bring it up? I mean, great great numbers in the regular season. No doubt like, I just was thinking, like because I trust me. I'm going in on all in on Aaron Rodgers all the time because I'm like, this dude could never do it.

Like, he only got one lucky Super Bowl, and the rest of his career was choking in the playoffs. But Manning got that second Super Bowl. I feel like have no matter what, getting that second It just it helped him out.

Yeah. It helped him out a lot. Yes. Gets him above Breeze and Rodgers. But, no. Manning Manning is great, and but I I didn't realize luck was three and one against him.

That was No one no no one ever wants to talk about that, but those are the facts. Wow. Alright. Let me see. Did we wrap everything up from that question? Great question slash topic.

Thank you. That was great. For posting that. And if you have something that you want to hear on the Football Card podcast, Stack and Slap's Patreon is the place to do it. Comment on those posts, and we will read some of them on here.

Moving into the next section of collecting updates, what are some current collecting projects that you're focusing resources on? Brett, do you have any updates on that front?

I'll be quick. I think, for me, it's been a lot it's been about pairing and trying to figure out cards in my collection that are, aligned to my North Star, but have might be sitting out on a on an island a little bit.

So, like, I think about the 2,002 Marvin Harrison, gold refractor PSA 10 that I have. I don't have another gold to pair it with. So it's been like a pursuit to solution that.

There's a few others, but, there was one in my Prizm collection this past week that I it was a which is weird because continuity is big in my Prizm collection, and most of my collection all connects.

But there was one card that didn't, and I I I fixed that, and it was a big purchase.

When I get that card in hand, we'll talk about it on the podcast. But, yeah, it's it's nothing new, really, but it's I as I'm going through my cards, what I know about my myself as a collector is I I need at least two.

I need if I don't have a to have two, I it's those are the cards that I end up saying. You know what? You might be victim of consolidation.

Yep. Yeah. What about I have a couple kinda updates. One, shout out the in person deal. So a card popped up on eBay that I wanted. I sent an offer. Lo and behold, the person messages me on Instagram, always the greatest thing.

We get to talking, and we're both in Indy. We met at IndyCard Exchange and got a deal done. Just fun to do a deal in person, kinda getting ready for the national, something something special about that.

So that that was always fun to be able to do an IRL deal. And then, yeah, I have kind of a new a budding player PC, if you will. I was able to a player I've never collected, a position I don't collect, a wide receiver.

But I kinda locked into one card that popped up on eBay. I smashed bin. And then, yeah, it was kind of this straggler. So I was looking into more of their cards, got a couple more.

So now I have three cards of this player, and I like them a lot, and I like this player a lot, and I had them on Fantasy one year. Like, the connection is there, but the national is looming.

And those, like, emerging player collections are always the ones that end up breaking off when some sort of bigger move is to be made, which is this is the time of year for that.

So I don't know. I've compared my collecting to a planet forming before where there's, like, a core and shit swirling around.

And right now, I feel like I'm, like, hurtling towards the national, and it's like, what's gonna make it through the other side of the asteroid field?

Like, parts of the collection might break off. Things might move. Like, I'm pretty confident in my core, but, yeah, we'll we'll see we'll see what happens.

And it got me thinking about to the national, like, what cards to bring. Because to me, there's cards that I'm sure you think you would never ever move. But if the right card presents itself Mhmm. All of that can change.

So I'm curious what cards are you bringing to the national? Just cards you intend to move and sell or any cards to show off? Like, what kinda how are you approaching that? Dude, this question makes me feel uncomfortable.

It's like I have been it's been the thought that's been in my head, and I'm heading out of town before the national. So I gotta, like, within the next couple days, I gotta figure this out. But I don't know.

I I I, like, I I have, like, sat and looked at my collection, and I'm like, I I don't know what I wanna bring. And, like, because you you this is the biggest thing. I would my collection is probably the most focused it's ever been.

And, like, I have an entire case dedicated to, like, my Colt's Prizm collection, which to me is, like, my most untouchable cards because you talk about the connection points.

It's just, like, if I sell one card out of there, then what does it mean for the rest? It's been just like the infrastructure so strong, and it's like I I'm like I, like, always push that box aside.

I'm like, well, nothing from there. And so then I open up my other case, which is a lot of awesome cards, and it's their those collections have been refined, and they're it's kinda down to the core of a lot of that stuff.

And it's like, man, I don't wanna get rid of any of this, but I know, like, the evolution, there's always bigger and better cards.

But my biggest, like, my biggest I don't know. The thing that scares me the most is that if you bring it with you, then there's a chance that it could go.

And I I'm that's what I'm struggling with right now. I'm struggling with, like, the thought of a card or cards that I really love could go.

But then you think about, well, if I brought these three cards, like, would it help me get into something else? But then it's like, would that something else be more satisfying as those three cards that I already have and really love.

So I I suck at this, like, this game. I like the real time in person, like, cards decisions. I have, like, very little experience. So, I don't know, man. I'm it's still TBD. I don't know how to how to go about it right now.

Yeah. I don't think there's one right answer. I will say what I've done the past couple years that I've enjoyed is I bring my I have, like, a three row's eye on, like, kind of a smaller one that can fit a good amount of cards in it.

And I'll bring a lot like, I'll I'll fill that up with cards that I'm bringing. A lot of them, like, yes, just more to show and talk about, not with the idea of moving those.

And then when I go into the show, I leave that three row in my room and or wherever I'm staying, and I bring I have a good old trusty, like, small, like, cardboard box that fits probably, like, 30 slabs or whatever.

That'll fill that up with the stuff that I'm like, okay.

Yeah. Maybe I I get rid of this. So that way I'm going into the show, not with everything and Mhmm. With the stuff that I'm okay moving. Like, if you're going in the cardboard box, you there's a chance you could go.

But that way, I still then have my cards back at my place where if there's a trade night or just a meetup or whatever, I can still bring the cards that I wanna, like, talk about.

Because to me, that's the most fun I've had at the National is just talking to meeting other collectors, talking to them, looking through cards.

Like, I always love when someone has their case with them, and it's just they just wanna talk about their cards. Year since, like, you've pulled your case out in front of other people.

Like, that that's part of the fun to me, so I encourage people to do that. I know it comes with its own risks, I guess, of, like, hauling around stuff you don't think you would wanna move or just valuable cards in general.

But then I was thinking, there are cards in your collection that you think are unmovable.

But what if you're walking around the national and you see the twenty twelve luck Prizm finite? Would you trade any of your other luck finites to get that? Like, would like, what if he's you know, this is all hypothetical.

Someone's sitting there with that finite and is like, I'll give you the twenty twelve black luck finite, but you have to give me the I love the 14 and the and the Pulsar and the 15.

Like, would you break break the chain to get that hoping that you could get fourteen and fifteen back at one day?

But, just thinking a situation like that where you would think you would never get rid of a luck finite, all of a sudden there is one card that maybe would change your mind.

I don't think I could live with myself if I had to give up part of the run to get even if it was the core piece.

What I can tell you is I know everybody loves cold, hard cash, and I would be happy to give that person as much cold, hard cash as they wanted to. That would make them not even think about those luck cards that they're asking.

Cash is king, baby. If you're out there at the National and you have that card, let's talk. I've got some money to pay you for that card. Cash is everything at the national.

That's just the one thing that I recommend to all people. Just have some on you. Because, like, even even Venmo and stuff, it's not always as a sure thing or, like, people don't want a a trail on Venmo.

Like, they want cash, so gotta have some cash. I'll say this. Like, it just something about walking around with okay. This is my mindset's always this. Like, walking around with thousands of dollars in your pocket's one thing.

Walking around with thousands of dollars in your pocket and tens of thousands of dollars in cards, like, I that just I'm very risk averse, and I'd much rather just carry the cash around.

And it's like, I understand everything you've said about, like, what you like about showing your cards and going through that process. But, man, like, I'll say and then final note to just the audience.

If you're an irresponsible person, like, if you are like, you love to get drunk, and you love to go out with your buddies and make bad decisions, and that's part of your lifestyle, and you're, like, in your twenties or whatever, like, leave your cards in your room.

Leave your cash in your room because it's not gonna amount to anything good for you in Rosemont, Illinois.

No. And there is, like, that stress of you know, I've had my case before and it's, like, at a table and people are, like multiple people going through it at once.

And all of a sudden, like, this person has 10 cards, and they pile it up over here.

And that person has five, and it's like, you don't wanna be the, like, over the shoulder, overbearing, like, freaking out about it. But in my mind, I'm like, I I need to make sure all my cards are accounted for.

But then they're all out of order because I always have my k my case is in a very like, if I need a card for my case, I know exactly, like, what row what what spot it is is in for the most part.

So, yeah, like, you'll run into those situations too if you are into the show and tell where all of a sudden people are just grabbing your cards and shuffling through them, and that can that can be an uneasy feeling sometimes.

So that that's another thing. If you are gonna do that, like, get consent, though. Make sure that people are good with you just reaching in and grabbing 10 slabs and going through them, because everyone's everyone's worried.

I I feel like this we we should end this segment by saying, and this segment is brought to you by Spinitron and Panini Blockchain. Yeah. If only there was a solution where my cards weren't real.

Yeah. Exactly. If only I could just show you pictures of my cards instead. Yeah. I'm I I that's that's gonna be me. I'm gonna be like, I'll have my card ladder. That joke The collection?

Yeah. Yeah. That is another, like, a factor that is in all this where I'm like, I have my collection fully updated, and I love that. And Yes. It's like, yeah. I don't need these cards. Just scroll through my phone. Check out my NFTs.

This is what I'll say to people. If maybe not work with dealer, it won't work with dealers. But if you're working talking with people, like, you can open up your card ladder collection feature and make deals with other person.

And, like, you your face to face shake hands, and you can, like, agree to once you get back home, you're gonna send the car and exchange money.

Like, that is something I never hear anyone talk about, but I think it's certainly a factor. And in that case, you don't have to worry about, like, bringing your cards or worrying about cards.

So just something to think about. Very good call. One other thing on the National, because I've talked about, searching for, like, Walter Payton or Gail Sayers or vintage.

Vintage is on my mind at the National. And I've had a couple people, like, message me with, like, eBay listings of those cards.

And I'm like, I know I can get them on e like, they're readily available cards, which is part of the reason it's, like, my national I'm calling it my national project where, like, previous years at the national, if I've gone and thought, like, I'm looking for Chicago Bears Prizm cards or I'm looking for early finest football cards, I never find them.

They're just not there. The the cards that I'm looking for in that realm aren't out in these cases. But, like, a Walter Payton rookie card, those are found. You can find those in many cases.

Same thing, Gail Sayer. Like, those are just readily available cards, online too. But that's why for the national, I'm, like, I'm excited to think about, okay, maybe I find the best PSA three Payton I can find.

And then slowly maybe by the end of the day, it's up to a six. And then when it's at home, it's like the card I got at the national. Like, having that story behind it, to me, is part of what I'm seeking with this whole thing.

It's not just there are there have been good looking ones online that I just haven't bought at auction because I'm like, I kinda wanna find one in person and for that to be the acquisition story.

So, but all that to say, I think having a project or, like, a goal at the national of something that is realistically available is kind of the way to go.

I think if you go to the national expecting to find these rare, scarce cards that fit perfectly in your collection, I think you'll be disappointed. But if you go in thinking like, hey.

I wanna find a kaboom. I'm sure you'll you'll be happy. You think there'll be any kaboom's in, the convention center? I don't know. I don't know. I don't think they're I don't think they've caught on yet. Alright.

Moving on. NFL check-in. We kind of already talked training camp. So what I wanted to take this time to do is a more NFL historic check-in maybe, where commenters have left comments about players that we should discuss, which I love.

I encourage you all. Any any sort of post on the Football Card Pod Instagram, just comment a player name.

We'll note it down, and we'll we'll get it in the rotation. We like this. We love this. So one that I wanted to highlight, fun to the hobby, commented about Dante Hall. And who doesn't love the human joystick? Best nickname ever?

Best nickname ever? Prop I mean, that's up there, and this isn't football, but the more I was thinking about, Vince Carter, half man, half amazing is that's a great nickname. Like, half man, half amazing, like and Superman.

But, anyways, Dante Hall, got me thinking about how electric his run was, and I kinda wanted to look back and remember it in real time. I was like, how many returns did he have in what span?

Like, I knew it was a lot in a short amount of time, but I just wanna run through, what happened. So he was drafted in February. He is in the 2000 Bowman set, with Tom the Tom Brady rookie year.

His card is very cool. He has a refractor. His is not numbered. But rookie in February, didn't really do anything in 2000 or 02/2001. In 02/2002, his first big touchdown, it's one of his most, like, famous highlights.

It's against the Broncos. It's like a screen pass where he does this, like, backwards juke. It's just a ridiculous play. Yeah. Patreon members, you get to watch this.

I'll rip it and post it on the football card pod, but, like, unreal. Brett's playing it, for our listeners, and it's just Dante Hall juking the hell out of the entire Broncos defense to score a big touchdown.

So he has that play. It's like a sports center staple. And then later in the season, he has three more really long return touchdowns.

So he's in 02/2002, has four really long crazy touchdowns, kinda puts himself on the map. Then in 02/2003, in weeks two, three, four, and five, he had a return touchdown.

So just coming off the hype of that 2002 season, coming into 2003 and for four weeks in a row, he has a return touchdown, it was just I mean, that was just unreal.

I remember it was every week on SportsCenter is talking about Dante Hall, and that kinda got me reminiscing just on SportsCenter in general when SportsCenter was, like, appointment viewing.

And the top 10 meant something. You know? I feel like now I see 20 unreal highlights every day from around the world, and it's kinda, like, watered down.

And I don't maybe appreciate highlights the way I used to because you used to have to watch ESPN until the top 10 to see this stuff, and now it's just everywhere at the push of a button.

But all that to say, his run was unreal. He was electric, and I wanted to see what the highest selling Dante Dante Hall card was of all time.

And it is this 2004 Ultimate Collection logo shield auto one of one. That is a badass card. Yes. I mean, just looks great. Ultimate collection is very cool. Everyone loves shields. Shield Auto is $1.

00 1. $1,200? I mean, that's that's cool. That's a good looking card. Great looking card. Dante Hall, a name I'll never forget, and just, the plays, man. I think I after seeing that first touchdown, it's like, I just wanna go back.

And I I just can remember being in different I remember, like, being out to dinner with my family and, like, there was a TV on, and it was, like, during the Dante Hall craze.

And it was, like, everyone was, like, stop and watching the TV in the corner of the bar to see if he would get another touchdown, and he did. It was like, I I just have that, like, burned into my brain.

It was, yeah. Just a and he had that return that year in 2003 against the Colts in the playoffs. Next game that Preece Holmes went off and they lost. Like, that was a great game. I vividly remember where I was for that.

That Arrowhead battle. Good times. Good times. Who did who did you wanna shout out? So I wanted to talk about, we're talking about electric players, and I'd be remiss to not bring up Deshaun Jackson.

Deshaun Jackson. So some the Deshaun Jackson, stats for you. So he's fifth all time in yards per catch at 17. 6 with 641 receptions.

What's crazy about that is, like, just as a Colts nugget, Alec Pierce led the league in receptions or yards per catch last year for the Colts at 22. 3, which would be that's higher than the highest. Paul Warfield is at 20.

1 of all time, which just is like makes me more excited about Alec Pearson as potential. But we're here to talk about Deshaun Jackson. He led the NFL in yards per reception four times twenty ten, fourteen, sixteen, and 18.

He was a second team all pro in o nine. And he's the only player in NFL history with a touch with a touchdown of 60 plus yards in four different ways.

Receiving, rushing, punt return, and kick return, which that's the type of stuff that makes me really excited about a player. His highest selling card of all time is this 2013, Black Finite Auto, one of one.

It sold in May 2024 for $1,700. So you have a player who has done something that no one else has done in NFL history, and his highest selling card is $1,700.

Now I think maybe a little bit of what has hurt Deshaun Jackson is potentially like the ping ponging of his career and playing for a lot of different teams and maybe playing longer than he should.

I believe he ended his career with the Ravens. But he he was on a lot of different teams. But he also, like, in his prime, made such a statement as being the guy that they would say, hey.

We gotta make sure we know where this guy is on the field each play because one misstep and he gets the ball, he's gone. So, that's why I love this podcast, man. We gotta talk about these types of players.

But I think, like, what's cool about football cards is there's so many of these types of players that are, like, burned into our memories and, have cards when their highest selling card is $1,200 like Dante Hall or $1,700 like Deshaun Jackson.

So I don't know.

I'm excited to continue to dig into these types of players with the this profile because you can go down a rabbit hole of statistics, moments, memories, and you look at their cards and what they're selling for, and you're just like, gosh.

Like, that's crazy. Like, I'm gonna buy the buy their stuff. So, hopefully, we can bring some of those insights to you as we continue to push forward on this podcast.

Most 60 plus yard touchdowns in NFL history is Deshaun Jackson. Do you know how many? I would guess. Oh, wow. This includes returns. This includes returns. Twenty one? Twenty six. 26?

Dude, he's way better than I thought he was. Yeah. Jerry Rice Jerry Rice number two on that list, 23. Twenty six sixty yard plus touchdown. That a 60 yard touchdown is, like, a highlight for some player for, like, their whole career.

It's, like, the best play they've ever made, and he has 26 of them. Dude, okay. So this is what we the post mortem of this is checking card ladder sales history after we do these episodes and see how many people are Yeah.

Are fine. Going out on jacks and cards. But and I hope that's what, you know, earlier kinda talking about, appreciating the the people who burn short and fast or maybe just, like, had the alternate type career.

Like, Deshaun Jackson isn't the prototypical receiver. Like, he had some great receiving years, but a lot of his highlights were returns and just I don't know if it was consistency or the different teams that make him less collectible.

But, like, if someone, you know, was awesome to you, just, like, go get their cards. If Yeah. If you can and, like, it's okay to get excited about a player who had, like, a good six game stretch and that was it.

Or, like, a good two seasons. Like, whatever. Who cares what the mainstream hobby is doing or what anyone else is doing? Just, like, if the if the player speaks to you, get the card.

Because if you're if you're following that, like, you just won't be, I feel like, as disappointed if you're if you're making decisions based on what you think should be worth more or what is gonna happen in the hobby.

I don't think it ever really works out. Great great advice. Deshaun Jackson may be the quickest first step I can remember. That's I gotta go back a little more.

And, like, the the Vick Monday night football game, that bomb, that's one of the greatest just passes, touchdowns of all time. I mean and, like, his, the punt return against the Giants. Like, he has those he has iconic moments.

Deshaun is I kinda want Deshaun Jackson card. What was that what was that called, miracle like, miracle of the Meadowlands? Meadowlands. Yeah. Yeah. Because it was, like, the last play of the game, I think.

It probably is terrible radio to just hypothesize. I think it was tied and, like, they could've just punted out of bounds and went to overtime, but they punted to Deshaun, and he returned it for a touchdown as time expired.

Dude, we need to get we need to get NFL films to sponsor the football card podcast.

NFL films sponsor the damn pod. We should start playing the NFL, films theme song as just the intro of this. And then get and then get sued. It'll be a good first start. It'll be a cease and desist, and, you know, that's good publicity.

It it is. That's how we that's how we get going. Let's move on to MarketWatch, shall we? Let's do it. This was from last week, but we didn't get to it. But I'll go into it anyways because I just think it's a sick card and a sick player.

But it's a 2,003 finest gold refractor, Chad Johnson, out of 50. This sold for $65. When you're talking about cool players to collect, Chad Johnson would be a very cool player to collect.

And how good was he? He was there was a moment, I mean, he I'm pretty sure he had a first team all pro. Like, he was great. He was one of the best receivers in the league.

Yeah. Back to back first team all pro in 02/2006. And that is an era where Marvin Harrison's in the league. Randy Moss is in the league. There were big name good receivers in the league, and Chad Johnson was right up there with him.

I feel like the the antics and stuff sometimes I think overshadow his very lengthy and successful career. And, like, when you talk about collectability, he was with the Bengals, you know, ten seasons, and then the Patriots won.

Like, he stayed with one team for a decade, put up monster numbers. And 2,003 finest, I love these golds. They're awesome cards.

So, yeah, there's stuff like this is out there and available for all these kinds of players where if, you know, Chad Johnson or Deshaun Jackson, whoever it is, you can probably find a really cool gold refractor of them for under a $100, probably even under 50 for some cards.

So this one, I just thought was worth showing. On that McDonald's diet always, which I appreciated for as slender as he was. He could eat all the McDonald's he wanted to.

Have you seen that clip of just this kid is, like, randomly walking? I don't know what game they're at, but he's, like, randomly walking into the stadium. And I think he's walking into a stadium, but he's got a Chad Johnson jersey on.

And Chad Johnson, like, spots him and, like, goes sneaks from behind and surprises him. And the kid the it was, like, the best like, embracing hugs, jumping up and down, and the guy's like, do you see this?

It's Chad. And, like, it's this big celebration, and it's like, it's a great clip. But to me, that like, Johnson was awesome on the field.

He's got the antics. Gotta remember the hall of fame code, all those things. But I don't know. He had a way about him engaging with the fans in the community. He was one of the first guys on Twitter.

I remember that. It was like, meet me at this location. I'm giving away, you know, free happy meals or whatever. But, yeah, I I have nothing but positive memories when I think about, Chad Johnson.

I'm not sure, like, the Chad Johnson, TJ, Huisman, Zada, and Carson Palmer Bengals did much running. I think it was a lot of throwing all the time. Yeah. Rudy Johnson, though. Rudy Johnson. Rudy. They did have Rudy.

He had some years, but something else that I came across when I was looking up his numbers. So he let Chad Johnson led the league in receiving in 2003 with 1,369 yards, which just does not feel like a lot of yards for a receiver.

1,300 yards to lead the lead in receiving. Wow. So it got me looking at this most recent year in the NFL because I'm like Oh, gosh. Everyone's getting tons of yards.

Like What Ja'Marr Chase have? Well, my question for you, how many receivers last year had more than had more than 1,300 yards? Eight? Yeah. One. That's it. Jamar. Jamar Chase had 17 1,708 yards. That's a lot.

Huge season. Number two was Amon Ra Saint Brown with 1,263 yards. Wow. So, like, I no. I was shocked. I thought there was gonna be, yeah, like, 10 people who had 1,300 yards the way that it feels like the NFL wait a minute. Nope.

Justin Jefferson had fifteen thirty three. Sorry. Okay. There's two. It but last year, like, was the year where, like, it might be going in the other direction with the numbers of, like, and I'm just saying this off the top of my head.

I just remember the beginning of the year where it was, like, least amount of touchdown passes.

Like, the numbers were really low. Yeah. Yeah. I I would have to go dig back on what it ended up with. So that tracks, but that's also very surprising. Well and I feel like I don't know. I shouldn't talk about this.

Like, I don't know ball like that. But there's all the, like, too high safety talk that, like, turn, like, you know, I feel like scaled things back where receivers aren't putting up the crazy numbers maybe they were.

I'm trying to look back and see if I mean, previous seasons, there were, like, seven, eight guys getting into the 1,300 range. Seems to be a kinda a normal metric to hit.

But yeah. Chad Johnson, great run. Alright. We're moving over to, I I this car didn't just sell. It sold in March 03/01/2025, but he did just announce his retirement with the Chargers, and that's good old Philip Rivers.

The card here is his orange pylon twenty twelve Prizm. It sold for $3,200 on March 1. I I have never had a player that I've hated more turned into a player that I love as much as, I did Rivers when, you know, he was on the chargers.

They beat the Colts all the time. The playoffs, he got hurt. He was jawjacked with all the fans. Billy Volick came in and beat the Colts. It's just a bad memory. And then they beat us in the playoffs. It was just yeah.

He Q's a Colts killer, and then he ended up being a Colt. But there's a video clip out there of him, like, doing a package for the Chargers announcing it, and they surprise him with a bunch of his linemen. And it's just awesome.

Like, Rivers is talking about, like, you know, going through his memories and moments, and he just starts balling. And that's just the type of player he was. He's, like, so emotional, just such an incredible winner.

Never won the big game, but, like, it's impossible to win the Super Bowl. It really is. It's so hard. And so I think when Rivers came to Indianapolis, it was during COVID, and it was that season.

We're all stuck in our homes, and all we needed was football. And Rivers was so much fun to get behind. And, it was the last year the Colts were in the playoffs. It was just totally fun.

So I think, you know, he's top 10 in passing yards and passing touchdowns. A winner, to me, like, if Philip Rivers isn't in the hall of fame, I'm not quite sure who who is. He just defines, the game to me, like, such a great competitor.

And I collected his stuff pretty aggressively a couple years ago. And I I did so because I was such a fan of him and became such a fan, and his stuff was so affordable compared to other players.

This is obviously an expensive card, but I think that's just tracking the sets getting more and more expensive.

So Philip Rivers, wanna make sure especially now that you're officially retired with the Chargers, like, give you some airtime.

Great, great player. And I hope we see more, Philip Rivers cards. I know, Brian Lingua Sports Cards has just been freaking posting Philip Rivers super fractures left and right, and it's been fun to see, awesome player.

Yeah. He was sick. I feel like he always got or Jay Cutler got comped with Philip Rivers a lot.

I feel like people, when they were playing, it was, like, similar as as and maybe because they both came from the same, division, similar times, but it was just, like, Philip and Jay.

Philip Rivers is so much better than Jay Cutler, and I love Jay Cutler. But the Bears have never had a 4,000 yard passer. Jay Cutler played there for eight years. Philip Rivers has 13 seasons where he threw more than 4,000 yards.

That's nuts. That's ridiculous. He has because last year, he threw 4,000 with the Colts. He crossed it there. He had 4,700 in 2010 and just, like, 32 touchdowns every year, it seems like. I don't know.

I feel like some of those players maybe, yeah, are taken for granted where it was just so consistent for so long that, you know, people his high his highest high was never, like, a Patrick Mahomes year, but his lowest low was always, like, 4,000 yards and 30 touchdowns.

So that's a pretty pretty good quarterback. One thing, though, that I'll always remember with Philip Rivers, do you were you ever a dead spin reader?

Oh, yeah. For sure. There's just Google Philip Rivers' peppermint roll, and that's, like, there was a camera of him on the sideline, and he, like, makes a face and, like, mouthed something.

And then people just left comments of what they thought he was saying, and it matches up with him saying peppermint roll.

It's a hilarious clip. It's early Internet, humor, but Google Philip Rivers peppermint roll, and you'll you'll find a funny GIF.

I love it. Alright. I think it's almost time to get out of here. So the card call out for this week. Last week, we asked to see the hall of very good players. So many awesome cards and players. Two that I wanted to shout out.

One from work done PC. The work done credentials. Yep. There it is. The 98 credentials future. Such a sick card. I'm pretty sure this was, like, a long time coming for him to find this card, from work done PC.

Super cool story. Awesome card. And work done was sick. I mean, he ran for over 10,000 yards, had a great career in Tampa and Atlanta, and was just like everyone just talks about how great he was off the field too, which is true.

If you just look into it, he's, like, building homes for people all the time.

He's just a really philanthropic dude. Work done. Awesome player. And, like, the combo of Dunn and Allstadt at that point with Tampa, like, just a great rushing attack.

Then another player from Colts eight zero eight stable, Paul, had a Robert Mathis 2012 Topps Chrome gold refractor and listed some Mathis stats under the post.

And, yeah, Robert Mathis probably should maybe get in the hall of fame. Most forced fumbles in NFL history, that means something.

It's gotta mean something. Don't don't don't get me started. We don't need the listeners to be here for another hour. Robert Mathis ruled, like, get him in there. And, like, twenty thirteen, 19 and a half sacks.

I don't remember that. First team all pro, that's just a beast of a year. And then Torres Achilles. I didn't realize that. Yeah. Misty even with missing a year, though, he came back, had two more good years and 123 sacks in his career.

That's a lot. It's a lot of sacks. A lot. That's a lot. Five Pro Bowls. So shout out Robert Mathis. And this week, card call out, we wanna see those cards that are a $100 or less.

$100 or less. Better not oh, and, honestly, I was about to say I better not see any black finites, but you know what? If you if you've got a finite back in the day before it was a 100, show it. Like, if you but attach the story.

You gotta include the story. Yeah. You you have to. I'm I'm pretty good at, buying, you know, end of the roster type black finites guys who made it in Prizm, and I don't know if I've ever got out under a $100.

That's that's for sure. Yeah. It feels like there's a new a baseline has been established, but we don't wanna see those cards.

We wanna see the $100 cards. Yeah. And if or if it's something super it's not what it's worth today. It's like the purchase price was a 100 or less.

So if you have some awesome valuable card today and you got it ten years ago for under a $100,100 bucks, we wanna see it, we wanna hear about it, or if you just picked up a a cool card that recently that you wanna show off, post it, put it on your story, tag the football card pod, and we will share it.

And follow us on Instagram and tell a friend.

Appreciate everyone for, showing up and being so passionate and sharing your cards and giving us feedback. It's been a lot of fun, and we will keep this train moving. Thank you, everybody. Thanks. See you.