hello and welcome to the football card podcast this is it it's friday you made it and you are listening to the fastest growing podcast in the entire world that's centered on football cards and most importantly cards i'm your host john aka pac nicholson and with me as always is brett mister stacking slabs himself brett how are doing i'm well it's a big week we've got the draft we're here picking guys mhmm guys that will be on rookie cards that will spend way too much money trying to acquire which is fun love all the official finalized mock drafts flooding my feeds going out interesting year here because we traded our first round pick for sauce gardner so i don't get to participate in that day one of it all which is fine but yeah i always think that all you know the pomp and circumstances and the hooplas in that thursday night which i really enjoy typically i have friends over we eat pizza and watch and do all that less celebration this year because my team's not picking but it's those those other days is where you really strike gold and you know find guys that can add an impact not saying first rounders aren't great they're the attention grabbers but i like the later rounds and seeing what unfolds so that's happening and then we're on the other side of the tops chrome launch and i'm sure you and i both have a lot to talk about in terms of what's come our way our observations so i have not participated but i am having a damn good time analyzing the landscape around tops chrome football yeah tops chrome front agreed it's i haven't really made any purchases yet but i'm watching it's fun to just see like the new cards pop up what things are selling for what seems like a good buy a bad buy high prices but then just the volume there's so much stuff so many inserts so many parallels so i don't know i'm intrigued i'll say that i'm i'm officially on the intrigued meter i'm i'm looking i'm trying to find i'm like there's gotta be some sort of little angle i can get in here where i'm not breaking the bank and i'm picking up some of these new cards and all this it just makes me wanna rip a box but that the again the prices i i just stayed away for now and then on the draft front yeah nothing better than day two stuff i miss when it was all one day and it was just a marathon it was on like espn two for eight hours and then there's nothing better than the day after where every draft pick looks amazing like for for your team it's like oh we got this guy in the fifth round from alabama but it's like he went to alabama he's gonna be amazing what do you mean he was a steal in the fifth round so many late round picks that i was convinced were going to be superstars that then they don't even play you're like wait what i thought i read so many articles about how this guy was the biggest steal of the sixth round and now he's not even he didn't even make the team i the the full day of it all reminds me so much of being in college and in my fraternity house we had a bum room and we just had a large projection tv and when that draft day came and that set like that saturday specifically dude we'd wake up and we'd start having fun and we would literally from start to finish watch every pick get the pizza you have the pops you have all of it going on and then you after the you've sat through you know twelve hours of draft then you know you might brush your teeth and shower in time for a party and i think about that and i go back to that point in my life and it's like man all of that time just to watch the draft and yeah man the the i will say it's i'm i missed that but there's no chance i would be able to replicate that so it's a it's i'm i'm holding on to the memories yeah i was when you said imagine that i wasn't just thinking of the time it spent watching the draft that i used to have but going out at night after a long day of doing something else that's insane people who go out at ten eleven pm to start their night i i can't do it anymore i'm washed oh big time washed on the chrome front as we're preparing for this episode and things to talk about like i just had this song just stuck in my head based on my week one experience with tops chrome and i i'm i think this song was in a dockers commercial like when we were growing up but the the the band is squeeze and the song is called tempted you know tempted by the fruit of another i i i very much i'm hearing that song played in my brain all the time especially because the wonderful community of great football card collectors are constantly sending me these cards and sending me these parallels and i'm clicking the links and i'm like these cards are cool and then i see the price and i'm like good lord and i don't think i got a chance to i think we talked privately about this but good good story for the football card podcast after we got done recording launch day last week i was like you know it's i feel really good about my position and just spectating i'm very busy with my other stuff and then i like put my kids down and go back to my phone in the evening and i just saw all the blue dots i was like what could this be well everybody had sent me the fact that the daniel jones super fracture had been pulled and so i i'm getting this image from all angles and i look at it and i'm like man the last year prism they really shit the bed because they didn't put daniel jones in the product and this is a daniel jones colts card it's the best colts card amazing so i slid into the owner's dms and learned that he had pulled it from a twenty five dollar hanger pack that's awesome though that they're out it is you know it is you know great poll and you know i just followed up what what do you want for it i don't know of course and so i just did a like i i i wasn't like thirsting for the card but because i had access to it and because it's a quarterback of my team and i don't have a daniel jones colts card i in that moment i was like let's see if this guy wants to play some ball so i did a quick card ladder search like literally it's the day this product which was late released just checking has any super factors sold and there was a mike evans that had sold and i think it's sold for one k and i'm guessing looking i didn't look into it in any detail but i'm guessing it was listed really quick and it got you know been smashed so i didn't like use that as context but i just like the i could tell that the owner did not like daniel jones and did not want the card and so i got to make an offer back and so i decided okay well the hall of famer mike evans got been smashed for one k i'll just throw a one k offer out there throw a one k offer they just just left on red and so we went from i don't know what the price is to here's a one k offer to apparently i'm insulting by offering someone a thousand dollars for a card that they pulled for twenty five dollars insulting offer and then the other shoe drops where then i start getting more messages this card has then been put in a facebook group in a basically the context of the facebook group says you know i'm looking for fifteen thousand dollars for this card or best offer only serious offer so one thousand dollars wasn't a serious offer because it triggered you know this post in the facebook group and then the third shoe drops if that's even possible where i saw that it had been purchased by somebody else and already posted on their instagram and yeah so that was like all i needed to know about tops chrome football and continued my confidence in my position to knock knock it down in the weeds on this stuff because it's it's it's an interesting time that's for sure yeah it's there's just a it's a lot of attention right now and so everyone who pulls something thinks they have something really really special until and over the next weeks and months as so much of this product's gonna get ripped and all of a sudden that card that's out of fifty really starts to reveal that it's out of fifty like yeah even even a card out of fifty from twenty ten is different than a brand new card out of fifty where every hit is captured on video and then shared on social media so no because like you i'm i'm tempted i'm seeing things i like i'm seeing cool cards but i'm just trying to stay on the sidelines until you know give it a couple months when the next product comes out that breakers are focused on that mhmm card vault by tom brady is ripping like the next prod you know like just once the spotlights are off of this tops chrome i feel like prices will come back down to earth or or you know find whatever their level actually is but it's just so hard to be like the first purchase of a product like we've seen it a billion times the first sales from any new product are a lot of times the peak so it's gonna take it's gonna take what fourteen years for this to be like twenty twelve prism like if people are you know buying this thinking like this is or paying twenty twelve prism prices because of the thought that this will appreciate like twenty twelve prism and all that it's like that took fourteen years you can look at data from twenty twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen like prism wasn't selling what it is now back then so it's gonna take time all of this is the copium i'm using to to not spend money on these new cards it's it's smart one more question back before we jump into the episode officially is this like angle on the like comparison with prism and there's a big disconnect that i have with this because this isn't the first year of tops chrome football we've had a whole history and i've seen that lever being pulled and it just doesn't resonate with me like are like ten years from now are we really going to like are we gonna preface it by saying like the this is the the debut year of topps chrome football in the fanatics era like is anyone gonna give a shit about that i don't know like i can't predict the future but i can't it's to me it's not apples to apples with another debut year in its first official year because we have a we've we have a whole history of tops chrome football it obviously adds to the legacy and it obviously is an important year i do think it is an important year because it is the return year but i think the return year is very different than the debut year in my humble opinion yeah agreed i think the the gap in between is like big enough for it to feel different than some of those sets in the late nineties early two thousands that were like on again off again like like i feel like select i'm like i don't really know how long select ran and i feel like it stopped for a little bit and it kept changing brands and all that so it just kinda gets muddied there's not as clear of a start and stop as oh tops chrome ended in twenty ten or i guess not it didn't even because football went until we talked about the twenty fifteens and yeah how we hate them yeah never mind i was thinking basketball i'm yeah yeah but yeah just trying to that tempted song i feel i was just googling it because i'm like was it a fruit of the loom commercial had that's it that's it but no there's a gap commercial that in two thousand three with this song that is like because you were saying jeans and it's like i think it was dockers too maybe but this gap broken in jeans commercial is like has it is the top of my is what ai is telling me is what my search is telling me and there's a burger king commercial that used it you know like but every every everyone everyone should listen to that song and read the lyrics while you're listening to it and and tell me if you feel what i'm feeling there's nothing worse though than like hearing a song first in a commercial and it getting ruined that way i guess that happened more as a kid but i remember hearing like a rock by bob seger for the first time not in a car commercial and i was like what that was strictly a car commercial song oh that is dude that might've that might be the ultimate growing up song in a commercial callout this is this is a whole sub we could probably do a whole podcast on this topic because it's i'm getting really excited thinking about it but what like a rock what a great spot for an ad though oh my god it's perfect love some seeger hell yeah you're night moves guy oh god yeah night moves is i mean i i don't know the catalog that deep i feel like night moves turn the page the hits i know the the hits but night moves i've listened to a lot of night moves in my great tune alright episode forty four we are cruising to episode forty four but it wouldn't be possible without our wonderful sponsors cardladder the only ones shout out cardladder the official data provider of the football card podcast and the broader stacking slabs network always stuff to do on the platform whenever i am finding an opportunity or i'm getting fatigued by the save searches and the instagram i just spending time looking at my cards digitally on there a lot recently i just i like it man i my collection is up to date and it feels like a great extension of what i've been building so cardladder thank you for supporting the pod everyone go sign up for cardladder if you're not signed up for cardladder what are you doing what are you doing episode forty four we've got a an uptick of hall of famers for episode forty four we've got bobby dillon leroy kelly dick labeau floyd little and john riggins but there's some other forty fours i know that stand out to us i'll i'll let you go first because this i this is a great player that you have that's a a personal one yes shout out old dow dallas clark just i mean i feel like he might be the forgotten soldier in the manning era on the colts probably because he played tight end without gloves mind you but first round draft pick from iowa just a good old boy who loved playing football catching balls getting dirty getting out there in space had some wheels i had a white dallas clark jersey that i wore for quite an era going into the rca dome john mackie award winner first team all pro in o nine colts ring of honor career stats five hundred and five receptions five thousand six hundred and sixty five receiving yards fifty three touchdowns in preparation of this episode i was considering what is what is my favorite dallas clark memory and it is without a shadow of a dial monday night football against the dolphins two thousand nine which we've talked about the two thousand nine dolphins quite a bit and ricky williams and all of that but was a hell of a game and dallas clark first play of the game manning just hit him and he just busted a touchdown monster game seven catches a hundred and eighty three yards and a touchdown just such a stud big dallas clark guy he has i've he's come back to have some conversations and talk and do some press and it's it's always good to to see dallas i was looking this up and i remember when this card went for sale and this is the highest selling dallas clark card of all time which is his speaking of two thousand nine the year of my favorite memory i'm connecting the dots there and i'm wondering if is this potentially from that game if this card is from that game i'm gonna be pissed that i didn't get it when it came up but it is the o nine bowman chrome dallas clark superfractor one of one psa nine this thing sold at auction leland's auction and dude i remember people sending me this card and they're like it's on leland's and i was like i cannot forget this and what did i do i totally forgot it because it was leland's maybe first leland's call out in football card podcast history but this card sold for one thousand five hundred and thirteen dollars and the card is so beautiful because it's almost like if you think about any awesome baseball card where you've got like a center fielder who's like going up to catch a ball on the tracks like this is that but a football version of dallas just floating in the air you can just see his taped up fingers getting ready to catch a manning ball over the middle it's just such a nasty card so shout out dallas clark i love you man yeah this card is incredible the i'm glad you brought up i mean of course the no gloves just bare handed beast out there and i love that this card very clearly is his bare hands are like a centerpiece of this card yes i'd rather see that than a football in them i like seeing the paws getting ready to make a catch he was so good and that season when he had like over a thousand yards i feel like everyone had over a thousand yards meaning it was just or maybe that was even a different year because i feel like there was the year that there were three thousand yard receivers o five there was three guys with ten touchdowns and a thousand yards and clark's big season was two thousand and nine you know one hundred yards ten touchdowns first team all pro what a beast help me understand this dude i was it might be probably the ant the tony gonzalez and the antonio gates of it all but i was kind of stunned a little bit by the fact that he only had one first team all pro but i then i was like well because gates and gonzales probably got it every one of those guys probably got it every year yeah that was a tough air and when did gronk i guess gronk was a rookie in twenty ten and then twenty eleven was like gronk's biggest year yeah two thousand eight i wonder if two thousand eight nfl tight end first team all pro who was it tony gonzalez yeah yeah he i mean he cleaned up him and jates just cleaned up jason whitten second team there was a lot of good tight ends in that era i mean but yeah shout out dallas clark sub forty fours i wanted to mention first off i saw the name leroy kelly do you remember leroy jenkins oh do i remember leroy jenkins really classic that's like ebam's world i know just when viral videos meant something when there was like and i've rewatched that again recently i went back i was like i gotta see this leroy jenkins video it's so long and it's like ugh my attention span is cooked is what i'm saying where i'm like how did this go viral when it was like this five minute like very kinda niche insider video type thing that like is minutes to set up this one line but i like had the whole thing memorized like still like it was such an iconic moment that ebam's world era was amazing before youtube like you were going to ebam's world yes that's you know if you're not familiar i feel like if you are unfamiliar or not familiar with leroy jenkins the if ebam's world at the time had like be you'd be interested in this it would be like give me the gold like the the leprechaun the leprechaun that would be that's like same era so the whistle tips yes whistle tips go whoop whoop great great era of comedy on the internet but leroy kelly not to take away from leroy kelly's hall of fame career running back for the cleveland browns three straight first team all pros which i love a a three year run of first team all pros with twice leading the league in rushing and this is nineteen sixty six to nineteen sixty eight and a touchdown machine so in sixty six he had sixteen touchdowns in sixty seven he had thirteen and in sixty seven he had twenty touchdowns along with fifteen hundred and thirty six yards so shout out leroy kelley browns running back and then another running back that i'd always heard the name i know john riggins is like beloved player for washington redskins fans washington commanders fans washington football team fans and i didn't realize how old he was when he was playing for running back it's crazy john riggins started his career with the jets in nineteen seventy one up until seventy five he made a pro bowl for the jets when he ran for a thousand yards and eight touchdowns spent his next four years for the redskins got up to eleven hundred yards then he didn't play in all of nineteen eighty contract dispute and that's when he's thirty one years old normally what around thirty running backs and receivers start to kinda expire around the league is kinda i'd say the common point but after this year he set out in nineteen eighty riggins came back and played five more seasons including his best seasons in nineteen eighty three he ran for thirteen hundred and forty seven yards and twenty four touchdowns was a first team all pro the year after that another twelve hundred yards and fourteen touchdowns and won a super bowl in eighty two in which in that postseason four games he ran for six hundred and ten yards so all i'd say john ray is a beast and doing it at at an old age he played he was playing when he was thirty six at running back that sound that just seems crazy check out this john reagan seventy two tops rookie card i mean that how how at that woah look at that alright this is the haircut that i see today on the youth it is he's got the he's got the bus and haircut riggins a couple things about john riggins that are notable here john riggins didn't play with gloves either he's just it's a forty four thing he's just rugged no gloves mhmm also fun fact about john riggins is that tyler warren wore forty four in college because of john riggins and his toughness and tenacity and then obviously gets drafted to the colts forty four is you know ring of honor material so has to pivot and not wear the forty four but yeah it's just like we're forty four there's something special about forty four mhmm i yeah that's he's a beast i love the players like that that just that's why i probably why people love cam scatabow so much it's like the running back who isn't scared of getting concussed or getting knocked out like the the job is to pound and get yards so so i i i i've been back and forth on the scatabow versus cataboo yeah i don't know what to say i i i i dude i found a a video of him introducing himself and he introduces himself as cam skataboo so that's i feel like we gotta go with it because he that's what he said that's what i all that's what my brain always wants to say but then right as i'm saying it i'm like there's only one o it should be bo but i don't know and i i just haven't done the due diligence to figure out but we're going boo it's camp scabboo yep officially alright let's lock it and yeah what's with i mean i love bijan but it was like it's not bijan it's bijan is what like he came out and said that at one point and then he went back to no bijan's fine so i gotta figure out the names running backs just figure out your name or this isn't on me to learn how to pronounce it right this is on you to simplify it by the way i think we're being clipped because didn't we have a conversation about bijan and him not having his highest selling card publicly is not as much as cam's scatabow boo no no we're never gonna didn't we talk about this we did talk about this dude i've i saw i saw outlets in the hobby with graphics with cam and bijan cards side by side i'm like didn't we talk about this on the pod well i had and we can talk about this more on passion to profession maybe next week but everyone tune in you you might get an a double dose of pack coming up i the psa vault instagram account i'm helping oversee run and i did a cam versus bijan post on there okay so that you're influential man that guy and then collect yeah i saw did a post that's they ripped the entire thing word for word bar for bar and you know that's that's the content game when you're make you know imitation is the highest form of flattery they say so but yeah you know it's sometimes you just take some learnings from the football card pod and it you can distill it down to a nice easy graphic and we're just we're out here just comparing numbers and players right it's it's all we're doing and talking about guys yeah guys talking about dudes playing football one other one shout out kyle yuzcheck shout out fullbacks shout out his wife yeah cutting out making gear making cool jackets yeah making jackets kyle yuschak ten time pro bowler because i don't know other any other fullbacks that have really been around like what a luxury to just be the guy the only one which also reminds me speaking of fullbacks we missed lorenzo neil on forty one ugh i'm upset about that big miss someone commented or replied and i was instantly like goddamn it how did we miss lorenzo i think commented on the post and tagged them like how did you miss at lorenzo at yale i was like shit don't don't get lorenzo on me i'll issue a formal public apology i'm sorry because dude he was so sick so sick has the best shoulder pad pictures like i definitely would've used him to lead off the forty one instagram carousel so had to shout out lorenzo neil four time pro bowler but two time first team all pro as a fullback okay we're what i'm gonna call out specifically and this is for you andy bye bye baby cards put that ucheck collection out there this we need you because i know you've got some bangers episode forty four let's see them you've got some bangers i know you're a niners guy let's see those cards let's see them get the cards out alright episode forty four should we get into some questions we got a good batch of questions this week let's do it alright from chris mcclellan seventy seven what is the card you hunted the longest before acquiring this kinda came okay go for it i'm just i think there's two ways to think about this or i think it could be two different cards like one is a card you've known exists and wanted and over time we're able to get it and then the second part is like an active negotiation like you know where a copy is and you there's contact of like i want this card can we figure out a deal and then how long that can take to work out because as i was thinking of it i'm like jay cutler twenty twelve prism finite that was a card i won for a long long time but it wasn't like a real pursuit it was like i just know this exists i'm never gonna be able to get it it showed up on ebay ten day auction like ten days is the time i spent actively working to acquire the card but i wanted it a lot a lot longer than that so putting that out there and curious which way maybe you went with your i can do both now that i i i like both interpretations i will go with the first version of this is the card that i tried to track down and this is it's a full circle moment and it is when i acquired the twenty twelve andrew luck gold prism and my first national when i got back into the hobby dude i didn't know anything right you know you're just trying to find your footing and it was like right after luck retired and i remember walking in the national and walking up to a showcase and there's a decision that i that i had to make and it was a manning card or it was the andrew luck twenty twelve gold prism and i looked at both of them and i ended up going with the manning card because i was like man that cost of that luck just is probably too high based on him retiring and it was in the showcase of paul farvelous cards we made the deal on the manning and i remember leaving the national being like it was like right as i was like really starting to appreciate prism and loving prism and i regretted it and i had his contact information but i was like i shouldn't do this because of the cost and so it was just this big chase and then finally it reached a point where i was like i need to get this card and this is like three or four years later settle it on a price before the national and it was like be a blink and you're there i was right in front of his showcase again at the national and he was very much like this card needs to be in your collection and gave him the cash got the card and so that one stands out to me and then i'll verse two is andrew luck as well did the comp the when i found out where all of these andrew luck finites were sitting and i knew that it was in shelbyville indiana and i knew like i couldn't fuck it up like i i needed to like take it slow and steady because i'd get i don't know if i'm ready to just get rid of these and so dude the nurturing of that relationship was a it was twelve or thirteen months until finally i hit the message at the right time where it was like we settled on a price and it was like i was like can you meet right now i will drive to you and we got that deal done in the casino parking lot but that one it dude this is a just feedback for the audience when you know where a card is or cards are and you don't want anyone else to know about it and luckily this person was not like public on instagram you just you you you can't you can't be too aggressive i feel like you got gotta have the commonality we're both colts fans we it sucks luck retire like these threads and just having these chats over the course of a period and building up that goodwill until finally pouncing so those are the two that stand out to me those are great ones the casino finite bounties are just that's the best ever i told him i told him literally mound of cash and and and what's this deal will never be replicated because i got like five andrew luck finites i got three andrew luck gold vinyl i i mean it's the stockpile i got from this deal is it will never be replicated like i'll never be able to do that again but i remember handing over the cash to the guy and i was like don't you go blow it in the casino and he's just he just looks at me and goes oh i'm going in there right now i was just like oh god he'd go out if he won he changed yeah i don't know i didn't follow-up that that's who i aspire to be is one day in like when i'm just a senile old man i'm meeting some kid in a parking lot for the jay cutler transition where they're like who are like why is this old guy meeting me in a casino parking lot to sell all these rare jay cutler cards pass it on i get the ones that stood out to me one was a twenty twelve prism gold j color i remember it got pulled it was on it was there was a facebook post about it and i reached out to the guy in like twenty twenty three twenty twenty two and he just wanted too much money at the time it was like a few hundred dollars and i i just wasn't i had bought his like twenty thirteen prism gold for like eighty bucks or something i was like i don't wanna spend hundreds of dollars on the twenty twelve but it was always a card that i knew i needed to get and as time went on and prism was doing what prism did i like reached out like two years later and i was like do you still have that card and he did and i just made it off like i was like i'm getting this card so the fact that it was still just available he had never listed on ebay he had just like done one facebook post about it and just it was still sitting on it it's crazy to me can i can i that that that's amazing and i love the the comeback to that but that person that like persona in the hobby the individual who is probably you know doing just fine in their daily life that they don't need to like sell every card that comes in there and like their decision is oh i'll just like put it in a case and whatever it's just they're like i love those people in this hobby that just like sit on cards and they don't need to sell everything they they it's just out of sight out of mind whatever like those are the best people to interact with yes for the love of the game it's yes buying cards to buy cards and then another one is shout out jason chicago bears cards so there are two i got from him two sean alexander cards not even bears cards but i remember on ebay there was a two thousand two finest gold refractor sean alexander raw i think it was sixty dollars obo it was sitting there forever i was just like i don't wanna spend sixty dollars on sean alexander card like at at the in like twenty twenty twenty twenty one it didn't make sense and then i feel like i was offering like forty and they're countering like sixty you know it's just stupid it's like over ten dollars i'm just fighting with this guy and then it disappears off the watch list and i don't remember if he posted it or we were just talking one day and jason like i learned jason got that he was the one that bought that card he loves he likes sean alexander's collecting them he got it graded it got a ten and i was always like i want that card so bad and then i found out jason also had the o two finest x fractor sean alexander so we had this beautiful pairing that i really wanted and just kept checking in over the years and then at at national we got like so close to making a deal like he had the card there and but he just didn't he wasn't ready to move it and then like a year later he finally reached out i think the gold first and then the extractor a couple months later but still have those cards love those cards it's fun to just hunt something for years like what else are we doing love it makes you love it it like the feeling you have when you finally get it is so powerful and i it's just awesome yes alright next question from t k d tickets what is one card from each other's collection that you covet most which would you take no strings attached for your own collection not to flip but to have and to hold until death do you part it's this was easy for me it's gotta be the the cutler finite it's i the whole story and i feel like i'm a part of it in a way because of this podcast and it would be cool to be interviewed i wonder if i bought it for you for like a dollar more if the new york times would interview me like if that would be poss yeah so definitely the color just i feel like that has such a rich history for this podcast yeah it it's a notable one i was going through your instagram page i'm like what would i pick i and so i think i put if i was gonna like sell it or flip it twenty fourteen finite luck like i love that card but i also my favorite card dude it's one of the sickest cards just period and like of the era like when luck was at his like peak i feel like twenty fourteen it's just it's everything because you don't have the thirteen right i don't have the thirteen finite no thirteen finite yeah that because i was like does he have that that because that might have been my number one because i love that picture like him on the run and i just love mhmm twenty thirteen and then honestly though twenty twenty four finite jonathan taylor is pretty close because that like fits more into my like that would fit in my collection better the luck i think is the cooler card and the more like powerful overall card but the jt would would fit in with my like levyons and bijan like kind of these like fantasy stud section that i have going so good card fun question those are definitely two of my favorite cards in my collection so you've got good taste yeah and we have similar tastes it sounds yeah we do alright question three from r q k cards what to do when you are priced out of your favorite player to collect aka brady dot dot dot i i my feedback is just there are there can be other players that you love and there's probably other opportunities and i i think as i mature as a collector the one thing that i am always looking for now in this era is value like i can't possibly overpay like if i'm player collecting i can't feel comfortable with myself just like continuing to pay for cards just because that's what the market says and i really feel like with manning in my collecting of manning it it stalled out because just the the profile of card that i want from manning reached this level and this price threshold that i was unwilling to pay and it wasn't fun for me anymore so it was like alright well i'm gonna focus my energy on a player like andrew luck who i like just as much if not more or like a ty hilton same thing and just go get their best cards and so i don't know like there i also think that like rejuvenation and resetting is invigorating in a way like there's so much frustration when it comes to like a player's cards going up in value and you trying to navigate and it just keeps getting pushed higher and higher and higher and then it reaches this point where it's like i'm not spending twenty thousand dollars for a super fracture like of some random year like i'm just not doing it so i think those moments are really fun as a collector as frustrating as they are so i don't know feedback is like you gotta love it like someone else besides brady just go go out and buy their best cards or reset it's fun yeah well said i think well i did a quick search and i found i searched card letter sales brady in between twenty and forty dollars just to see what's there and i saw a twenty fifteen tops tom brady gold numbered at twenty fifteen so it's like a numbered brady gold for twenty five bucks like granted twenty fifteen tops we discussed it makes me sick to my stomach to look at but still a cool this is actually a cool card this looks better than the tops chrome version of that year i don't know just the fact you could get a number of brady gold for twenty five top like there are opportunities out there on the other side i understand where it's like i don't want those cards i want the bigger and better cards or like you're at a if you're at a different level of collecting that doesn't sound as fun but yeah there's either other players or it's like either go cheaper or you could just convince yourself that you're not spending that much and that you're not overpaying like if it right now feels like you're overpaying for brady just convince yourself that it's a good purchase and all of a sudden you'll feel better about everything it's good feedback yeah it's it's not easy you adapt you gotta be adaptable in this space that's what i have learned yes alright question four a two pack from alex bridgeforth part one which nonquarterback is everyone going to be buying in august like lad mcconkey last year i went with malik nabors just because he i'm i'm tying him as the robin to jackson dart's batman it it feels like because he's been out of sight out of mind people will be trying to get a piece of him so the giants have got these like they're the the most hyped up like can you imagine if the giants draft jeremiah love like wow love scataboom neighbors dart like just all these young guys that the hobby's just obsessed with so i'm going with malik neighbors and what was the second part about chargers oh yeah and then the second part is what retired chargers would you invest in invest in well i don't in i'm not investing in char i i yeah i don't really have an answer to this because i don't collect the chargers i mean i guess yeah i couldn't get away with saying philip rivers but that seems like captain obvious i don't know man yeah so for players skill position players that are everyone's gonna be buying in august i said i don't know if it's my bubble but colston loveland seems really high like i'm looking at twenty twenty five tops chrome stuff colston loveland and everything's a lot more money than i wanna spend i don't know if that's just yeah what i'm seeing and and like how it compares to others rookies from the class but then i had to look up i was like who won offensive rookie of the year last year i couldn't remember i had to google it and panthers receiver tett mcmillan yeah who had a great year i had him in fantasy so i remember him performing i just don't remember the like offensive rookie of the year announcement so i'd and looking up prices he does seem to be selling pretty high so i think one of those two guys i think neighbors is a great call i guess i was just thinking of rookies not as much because neighbors i i wonder if i feel like brian thomas junior had a good year but then he didn't have a good year it just happened so fast like the roller coaster of like what happened to brock bowers brock bowers was amazing after year one had like a probably a really good year two but it wasn't as good as year one so it just is hard to maintain the hype and then oh chargers to collect so i was i think the obvious answer to me is like ladanian tomlinson like you know people love lte if you wanna invest tomlinson makes sense to me but then i put ryan leaf because i would love to see a sick ryan leaf collection because there's something about those collect like for the love of the game collections you know like something where you look at it and you know that the person put in ten thousand hours on ebay to get that collection like they've scoured some forums to get that collection like that that's the kind of collection that when mister wonderful is like this is gonna make grown men weep and it's just like a ten million dollar exquisite card i'm like no buddy what's gonna make me weep is when i see someone with a ryan leaf collection that has like all the rare like he's got the twenty four karat gold he's got a gem masters he's got everything that you could want so yeah get some get some ryan leaf cards do you and ryan leaf has amazing cards too based on yeah he's all this success yeah do you think mister wonderful knows that like people like us don't give a shit about seeing like the same players with patches and autographs regardless of the product over and over again like i'm just like i get so i just get so like pissed off when the position by the person is that because this is this player and this card autograph with this patch and it's like this is what show what is what is shoved down my throat with people and their feedback and their cards like the more it gets shoved down my throat the more i hate it and so like i hate all those cards like i don't even think they're cool i don't care about the history i just hate them because they're being thrown and propped up in my face i don't care about the lineage and legacy i care about the fact that other people lash onto them and are like these are the coolest cards ever i think that sucks and so just a little bit of a rant but the more you push something in my face the more i hate it so i hate all those cards mister wonderful truly though i mean i i just hate the positioning of i mean this card will make grown men weep is just hilarious it's a good line like he is do he's cutting promos up there i can't not compare cutter for for what he's doing but no what would make me weep is if someone showed me like if mister wonderful showed me three plexigopur super factors yes years i'd be like alright this is sick like if mister wonderful's not on blowout forums mister wonderful hasn't you know done a deep dive on the internet trying to find something and and that those are the cards that make me weep got it who did the who did the plaxico burris like who did the counter touchdown dance where they acted like they were shooting themselves in spite of plexico bursts do you remember that no i don't but i gotta look it up i gotta look it up that that whole situation is still unbelievable shooting yourself and then going to jail for it god like of all time just like bad feeling like i fucked up that's gotta be all time like if you get into you know like a like i scratched our car last year going through a gate and i was devastated i was so mad at myself like how did that happen like what what are you doing like you just feel so stupid imagine if i shot myself and then had to go to jail that would be so much worse here here it is such a great nostalgic name in on november seven twenty seventh two thousand eleven buffalo bills receiver stevie johnson locked plaxico burris in the two thousand eight accidental self inflicted gun wound by pretending to shoot himself in the thigh during a touchdown dance gosh that's bring back actually we over indexed on celebrations because now everyone does the big team celebration after every touchdown after every when a team's down two scores and does a big celebration after like a turnover it's like no you can't i don't want this i liked when celebrations were solo and yeah they were a little derogatory like non choreographed non choreographed in the dark we're all kept in the dark yeah that's why i mean there's a million reasons why joe horn cell phone touchdown was so incredible but the fact that like he had planted the cell phone before and that there was this like oh my gosh he planned ahead of time like that if he scored a touchdown he like that i feel like was the first time something was you know it wasn't choreographed in the sense it was a dance but it was you know it was premeditated yes which was like a new new thing at the time and then now we're it's too much like what are you spending this much time at practice doing that do another suicide like i don't wanna be like you better be undefeated killing it if you're doing a whole dancer team yeah well i mean i've got the ultimate cheerleader in number one choreographer in cam bynum on my team but this is where i give him the hall pass he's incredible football player he's in he's awesome so it's like okay you're awesome you if you can get the boys together for a a getting you know a a keg keg stand celebration going or you know doing an usher dance i'm okay with it what i do what i do miss and shame on the shield for banning this i miss if you can do this you score a touchdown that's a feat in and of itself but if you can do this and the nfl's banning you from doing this shame on the nfl and shame on the shield is the tony gonzalez second mention on the podcast the slam dunk yeah on the goalpost like that is this like that i it is so with authority like you just catch touchdown and dunk it like the i miss that yeah i will didn't jimmy graham like bend the goalpost and then they had to i feel like it wasn't level after that's he he's the reason i think so i could be wrong but pretty sure but it's like alright then don't get right in the middle or or put a put a little hoop somewhere that it goes into i i like the goalpost because where i was going i'm like bring back props you got the pom poms cell phone popcorn sharpie i mean t god tio was an innovator but then even ezekiel elliott when he jumped into the cauldron the salvation army cauldron like that that was awesome at all it's by yourself you know being creative with the the items around you that that's what i miss i'd i'd rather see that than fifteen dudes doing like a cupid shuffle i'm with you for sure alright next up from power wheels someone wants to buy a card you don't have for sale and they want you to make a price i guess this is just a situation not a question but someone wants to buy a card you don't have for sale and they want you to make a price i'm not responding i just not responding i can't stand it and those people should be kicked out of the hobby who are doing this but this is probably my favorite question of the week because i hate it so much when it happens and it makes just me so pissed off but i think not responding is a good good call but i think i have something worse and this happened to me recently is when someone approaches you with cards that they have in their collection that they know you would want and so they dm you and say i have these cards and you're like oh no way what's the price and then they say make an offer so you can you can you can't approach someone with cards and say make an offer it's like it happened to me recently with cards that i certainly want and dude i just ignored it i was like nope not i'm not playing this game yeah if you are soliciting a card you have to have the price if you're going to someone unprovoked if you're initiating contact and saying i have a card that you might be interested to buy you have to come with a price that's just you're trying to sell something what's what's the price it's not up to them they didn't even they weren't even asking for this no i couldn't even wrap my head around i didn't even entertain the thought of coming up with a price in my head because instantly it was like this is not the way i played ball and go find someone else if you it's what you think i'm an idiot that's what i wanted to say you think i'm an idiot here like you approached me so caleb thank you for helping me relive that moment and other moments like that so we've all got those those scars yep and yeah not responding the i realized this in the last last two years so i moved i've been in indiana for like three years now but the power i unlocked when i realized i don't have to answer the door when a solicitor comes knocking at my house like i feel like when i was in new york if someone was knocking at my door it was like important thing or it was a super or a neighbor like i don't know it was something important and when i we first moved in this house i didn't realize like solicitors are a thing like you know people coming by and trying to sell me lawn fertilizer or gutter cleaning or something and at first i always answered the door because that's what i just was like trained to do and then i realized like i don't have to do this i can just i you can even see me through this office window and i'm not getting up because i'm doing something i'm i'm working like it's not can't just interrupt my day to for some twenty one year old to talk to me about pesticides like not doing it this is such a great topic and i will comment because i am in the position where i look out in my office of people approaching the the door mhmm and my least favorite thing in the world are solicitors who go door to door and interrupt me i'm doing this all day essentially so if anyone's ringing or whatever it's just interrupting me so it reached the point probably a year ago where i had had enough and i decided to just go on amazon and buy a no soliciting sign and i have it literally right in my front yard i'm one of those people no soliciting and when someone takes a step further like where they're getting on the step before they see the sign i'll look at them dead ass and i'll point to the sign and i'll give them the mutombo i'll just be like no get out of here and dude every when when you they're they're nervous to begin with because the job blows but when someone recognizes it and then gives the mutombo or you know points to the sign dude no one's no one that there's no way i'm buying you could be selling anything and i'm not buying it so go move on to the next house i hate the door to door solicitation it's so brutal and i feel for i feel for them because that is a tough job but yeah it's like and the whole work like i work from home so i'm like i'm not gonna step away from my job and then i'm not answering people for fifteen minutes because some nineteen year old's talking to me about spider treatments i'm like i can't can't do it can't do it but counterpoint to your you don't care what they're selling what if they're hawking twenty twenty five topps chrome football hobby boxes like at a very good price you you you better be wearing a a topps hobby rip night t shirt or something to get my attention like don't come in a black hat and you know black gear with a clipboard because i'll just yeah lump you in with everybody else but show up like you're a hot like you're in the hobby and you know you might break through the security layers here at stacking slabs hq they need alright michael rubin you wanna ten x the hobby door to door hobby box salesman and then even little hobby box ice cream truck imagine that you hear a jingle and you look outside and the fanatics bus is pulling up and you run up there get a quick hanger get a blaster it's it's a good way to get old signers like john reagan's hey hey john you wanna ride the ice cream truck why we gotta we gotta stack chrome cards for you to sign you go do the ice cream truck shake some hands and pass out some hobby boxes and we'll we'll make some money that's loop in the celebrity athletes let's do it yeah kids running up to it who's the signer who's the signer john riggins alright next up where are we oh from drake's pc earlier this week on the staging area brett discussed his love of knobs more specifically his love of bat knobs when it comes to football card relics what is a specific non jersey relic that exists or doesn't exist that you think you'd enjoy collecting you know it's just tough drake because i'd i'm not a relic guy but i one thing that this inspired me to think about coach cards like i need more coach cards how cool talk about mister wonderful wants to make me weep go show me a curated coach card collection show me that wonderful that's what's gonna get me to cry and ruin my keyboard because there's so many tears but if i wanna address drake's question i'm saying coach cards and i wanna see like famous plays like can they get a cutout of the call sheet like get that on a card next to the coach i can't i mean how many cool plays would from the bears playoff run would can you imagine like that card like with the with the with the play itself and it could be like from the computer or even handwritten whatever it is like that to me that's that would be fun i'd buy that all day yeah i saw you had written that down i was like that's i'm so jealous of that idea that's so good coaching call sheets like the the laminated one it could just be the cutout whatever but imagine eagles philly special like yes e philly special embedded into a card maybe signed by doug peterson i don't know but then it really got me thinking yes more about coach cards and the flagship product every year there should be a card for every coach like that should be because there are so many bad coaches out there that it's hilarious to think of them having super fractures like and would i buy them or not there i was weighing that like would i buy a mark tressman super fracture kinda kinda might if it exists but i don't know i just think it would be funny there's there's so much potential and just good coaches too it'd be so fun to have like you know a run of coaching cards from your favorite coach what about what about a set yeah i'm trying to debate do i want this integrated in the flagship or its own you you know how we box it i'm buying into brakes i'm buying the colts brakes even if i'm not excited about you know current state of everybody like can you imagine a product that has owners gms and coaches all in the same box like sign me up i want that that yeah it'd be a fun rip i don't want gm like i guess what it's like i only want my team though like there's no other gm that i'm like that would be cool to have like yeah coach is a little more owners i don't know a jerry jones superfractor that would be pretty cool there's but that'd a good product to rip one other thing i was thinking on relics because i was like there's gotta be something that hasn't been done but there's been there's goalpost cards there's goalpost pad cards there's ball cards i feel like it could be cool if it was a thick card like think like a flawless thick card and it's like a cross section of turf and dirt like it's like from the field like like how you would see like a ant farm you know like a thin it could be like a cross section of super bowl field or you know and then it's acetate so you can see the cross section and maybe there's some stuff printed on there like what game it's from but that that's all i could come up with but play sheets i think is the one like that that is a tangible piece of memorabilia that is being handled they're huge now they're like giant you know chinese restaurant menus you they could cut those up and make tons of cards that's a good one alright next up oh yeah from buy buy baby's cards so he has a long one that i'm just gonna read real quick but the gist of it is okay from andy buy buy baby cards how confident are we really that one of ones and low numbered parallels are truly singular and i'm not just talking about nineties releases i mean modern too isn't it more realistic to assume that most of these cards had replacement copies or extras produced somewhere along the line whether we have proof of it or not it's a little too convenient to think otherwise we've seen enough across different releases to know this isn't isolated not even a knock on manufacturers it's just the reality of producing physical products at scale maybe it's less about deception and more about the nature of the process itself follow-up if we assume that many one of ones and serial numbered cards had undisclosed replacements or duplicates at some point in the production chain does that undermine the concept of rarity or does it reveal that rarity in this hobby has always been more of a shared agreement among collectors than an absolute truth i think i read this question originally and i don't know if i got all of it but now i have it all and it's an interesting question and i think it's you know gets us to like do we trust the manufacturer is where my head is at i think what's interesting and i don't think andy's wrong in some of his assumptions you look at the nineties stuff and you obviously there was the the sell off and the bankruptcy which brought some of these backdoor copies to light but i've seen that i think it's like the ray lewis the the flair showcase two thousand where there's just literally two copies of the one of one so mhmm yeah that i don't i'm not saying it's not happening in this era i don't know i have no idea but we have like i can't really recall a time where like a another there were two finites like available in the marketplace not saying that if panini went bankrupt that wouldn't happen it might i don't know it's it's tough to speculate but you know i i hope i hope there's not a bunch of multiple copies or at least if there are like after a certain period like they get thrown in in the fire or something i don't know yeah i just think it comes with the territory kinda like what he said about that's the nature of the business of scaling a product like i don't know if i i'm not buying a one of one because i a hundred percent undoubtedly believe that it is the only one in existence like there yeah there could be another cut or twenty twelve finite sitting at a bottom desk drawer some desk in the panini hq that eventually surfaces and i'll be pissed off but i'll cross that bridge when i get there if that happens it it it's that is a major crack in the foundation of the current state of the the industry if if that were to happen and become a thing that would have a serious impact on the the price of cards specifically one of one cards from premium sets i hope that never happens that would suck that would suck alright next final question you had this written down in our album chat and i had started thinking of an answer kind of but you said why does brevity increase perceived greatness and i was like that's a good topic what's your response so but i was taking it as like the perspective of like player peaks like how and thinking of it in musicians you know like like we've talked about curtis martin or like a larry fitzgerald like those are collectible players but they don't seem to have like the highest highs of other receiver or running back skill positions and to me it's like i think what can drive collectability is when even if it's just for one season if that player is like the best player in the league at their position that creates like a different level of memory and collectability like one dominant year can create just as much collectability as like a twelve year like steady career you know like derrick rose the youngest mvp like that season is like burned into people's mind and like that it could be more collectible than like karl malone or like chris johnson and curtis martin was one in my head i feel like people love chris johnson and i'm seeing like more and more people collect chris johnson it's like c j two k like that just burns so bright whereas like curtis martin never had the like highest of highs so i don't know i just think there's something if if you are the best at your position or you're the best player you get that like that's why i think i like first team all pros it's like this was the best person full stop for that one season two season three season and and like those are the players that i gravitate to where like at that moment in time they were the absolute best like that to me is exciting versus like oh you were steady and steady and solid but you like were down in tier two your entire career i think it's harder to collect for me for like and i say that only from like the non bears perspective because i collect a ton of trash bears players but just same from the like fantasy or like just other kinda exciting type of player i don't know i just think there's something there with yeah there is and even though like there was brady and manning and a bunch of other guys during his era this like this this thought process is exactly why i felt so compelled not not only because of my affection for this for the player but this thought process is why i just like a dog on a bone went to trying to buy all of andrew luck's best cards when he was the most down because i just kept thinking about in that short period of time where he was on the field playing football how happy he made me feel and how many moments he had as a player and i just kept thinking like ten twenty years from now like yeah like the retirement will always be a part of his story but the moments he had will always surpass that when people want to think about him as a football player and that was like my guiding light to feel to get the confidence to like spend real money on his cards because i was like i love the guy and i just feel like over time like more people will appreciate his cards like like i do so i think it's i i think that's right like i think these peak moments or these the moments are really like a compilation of those are really what drives like collectability or people who actually just want pieces of those players and those cards to stay in their collection yeah and luck had an argument as the best quarterback in the league for a couple years like he was so good and then honestly a good comp is like is andrew luck tupac in the sense of like we never we never got the chance to see tupac make a song with imagine dragons you know what i mean he we never saw him get to fifty year old forty five year old tupac needing a check needing a check thank god thank god doing a collab with onerepublic he thank god like tupac got killed at his peak and like that there's something about that that you know people like not not they don't like that he got killed but you know what i'm saying it's like you they you never got to see them not be successful kinda the barry sanders calvin johnson of it all like we didn't get to see them be old and not productive it's it's the kurt cobain of it all kurt yeah like no nirvana didn't have time to like be washed and make shitty records because cobain was dead like and so people are infatuated by those those those few albums that they produced and they're always revered and maybe higher regard than they should be in the grand scheme of rock and roll and i'm not saying nirvana shouldn't be regarded in that but i don't know like i think about that a lot i think you know you you can wear out your welcome awful quick with with shitty albums or shitty years but when you when you're when you're done at the peak when it's small and brief like that makes it more desirable i think yeah rather burn out than fade away that's right but yeah that there's luck is tupac i'll take i i'm a i love tupac so i'll take that all day alright great questions everybody thank you for sending those questions have been rocking the last couple episodes great batch well we gotta keep it going forty five next week start thinking of your forty five questions for us nfl check-in by the time this airs the first round of the draft will happen so i don't wanna spend time wasting speculating i'm just gonna assume the pairs made a great first pick yep i'm i've got no first round pick so my thinking on the colts is ballard's gonna do what he always does there's no chance we pick it our pick in the second round he's gonna trade back acquire picks we're gonna have a million picks through rounds three and five and those who were were were gonna get guys hopefully one or two of them work out that's that's what's happening this year for sure yeah one you called out here a pack special which this is even more than i looked at it yesterday and i'm so glad you brought this to my attention because i didn't even know it was running but goodness gracious yeah i just was like i wanna bring it up the two thousand twelve panini prism finite black finite adrian peterson psa seven is up for sale on alt currently sitting at thirty two thousand nine hundred and fifty six dollars this card last sold in november of twenty three for nine thousand dollars we love a twenty twelve black finite and just i love watching one at auction this is the randy moss just sold for fifty six thousand that's the highest selling football twenty twelve finite of all time moss in the niners uniform though this is adrian peterson like mvp year in the vikings gear top tier card from that set i'd say of like like non quarterback cards so i'm just excited to see where this ends up it's crazy to see it's already at thirty three thousand dollars but i guess my question do we think this will break the moss fifty six k number when does this end why isn't it why isn't it like a big not yeah like the biggest thing that you can see oh what are you doing yeah it blows my mind it's like yeah yeah there's no clear end date on this what if i click bid now oh you want me to sign in hey i don't know so who knows when this ends might be over by the time this airs is it even on let's see are you on shop on cardladder cardladder doesn't card cardladder shop doesn't support alt sales this is what i'll say to answer what was the what the moss go for fifty six okay i don't know when this card is ending but i think it like just got listed too oh it's i think it's well it's got some time i think it's going to surpass that i do and i think the momentum around football cards because of the tops crumb of it all i think that might have some sort of impact on just the excitement and people are seeing what those cards are going for and they're like this is one of adrian peterson's best cards i it i know peterson has his rookies and super fractures and shield rookies whatever if i could have one adrian peterson card it would be this one undeniably so incredible card i'm excited to see what it ends up yeah it ends in we're recording this on wednesday it ends in eight days ten hours so oh my god next this is gonna be a monster sale next thursday wow ends i think so yeah excited to watch that one the top's grown that's another good call out like football stuff i feel like selling more than like bass like i i don't know i haven't fully looked at comps but i'm like where's this energy for i thought no one collects football cards why does everyone spend this much money on these football cards yeah bright shiny object people like to sell cards so i'm guessing that has something to do with it but i'm not trying to diminish football cards we love football cards but yeah this will be fun there you go there you go alt there's some visibility on this incredible card good pull it's much of a lot yeah let's let's jump in here we've got this mahomes twenty seventeen prism gold vinyl autograph this sold at the premier for a hundred and fifty thousand dollars it's the second public sale the first public sale was in september of twenty five for a hundred and forty four thousand and which is a monster sale think it was the second highest football card sold at the premier i think there's a brady kaboom that went higher but i don't know man it has me thinking like the you sticker autos and prism versus nonsticker in the chrome stuff and just the impact of that on rookie cards long term it's i think that's what i'm left with but yeah monster sale i've obvious i never resonated with the autos obviously this is a cool card nonetheless but what do you think about this sale yeah this card's sweet for sticker autos it looks good too like the mhmm the audio is contain that's something i've noticed about twenty five tops chrome that i don't love it's like the whole bottom half is like reserved for the auto like the pattern fades out the design fades out into like the white auto zone the autozone and sponsor the pod sponsor the pod autozone wow that's okay new seg new segment when we're talking about autos we're in the autozone autos oh come on who knows anyone at autozone corporate we are willing to shill for carpod carpod need we need a sales rep out there we do but with the big autozone on twenty five tops chrome sometimes i'm seeing like a small auto and then there's like this just noticeable white space where there's no pattern but no auto mhmm all that to say this patrick mahomes twenty seventeen prism even though it's a sticker auto i like how gold vinyl is everywhere except where the auto is yeah you're you're not skimping on the gold vinyl juice it's it's full this is a cool card yeah for sure we move over to the two thousand and nine tops chrome matthew stafford autograph super fracture one of one psa nine selling at the premiere for a hundred and five thousand dollars making this matthew stafford super bowl champion mvp's first six figure sale that's that's a cool card i'd rather this is the one though i'd rather i want the true one zero one is what i'd like to see and see what that would sell for in this day and age because yeah that sticker isn't my favorite but good signature cool card we move over to the twenty fourteen prism gold aaron donald rookie out of ten bgs nine selling for five thousand eight hundred and eighty dollars one of the best players of this era but you know what i don't like john i don't like when the same copy of the card sells three times so this card has sold let's see here it is sold three times since august of last year it sold in august for sixty one k or sixty sixty one hundred in december for sixty nine hundred and now the same copy is sold once again for fifty eight hundred yeah so that's exact same copy three sales in under a year i yep we i think we've always seen that kinda hurts a card right just it's harder to it's not always gonna go up like people like when they haven't seen a card in a long time like we've seen that be a successful recipe for cards at auction yes so i never wanna see this card again or at least for the next five years because i love this card and think it's really important i'm gonna just hit these chrome sales had to call out chrome i'm gonna hit these chrome sales and then just get your reaction speaking of doorbells of course my kids are i thought it was gonna be a solicitor no it's the kids are home so let's let's jump into it we have the cam ward lava auto red lava out of five selling for fifteen thousand we have the jackson dart auto out of ten black what i'm talking about with wasted space in the auto area yeah this this is sold for fourteen thousand we have the caleb non rookie red lava selling for this card sold for thirteen thousand dollars we have the superfractor merino tecmo bowl selling for twelve thousand five hundred and we've got a brady black image variation selling for nine thousand dollars so that's a lot a lot of money for those cards what's your reaction it's just it's so much money for cards that there's a lot of copies of or a lot of similar copies of like the caleb red lava auto out of five like yes there are five copies but then there are are five different reds out of five and it hasn't been long enough where i'm like oh the red lava is different than the red wave and different from the red like they're all they all blend together to me so that hasn't tie enough time hasn't passed for them to kinda differentiate themselves i'm sure over time preferences will emerge like people like the waves or they like the lavas you know like i think we will see that eventually but right now yeah this basically you're spending in my mind thirteen thousand dollars for a card at twenty five which is just a ton of money i will say like the brady black i like the variations i normally don't like variations but i like how they're all like the helmet off close-up picture of the player it's that to me like there's a good idea and theme there like action shot of player is the regular variation is helmet off a closer up picture better than like the prism variations where it's like ball in left hand ball in right hand jump you know like the the variations of prism were too similar i like that these are like clearly different good call out on the variations i couldn't agree more there's no chance in hell these prices sustain so that's all i have to say but that that doesn't take away from the cards looking cool like there's they're pretty good looking cards but it's just insane man crazy time to be collecting football cards yes alright card call out or wait collecting updates any collecting updates brett nothing for me nothing i just have a couple cards that have come in the mail but i think i talked about both of them the twenty twenty five prism finite one zero one dj moore and i got the caleb williams twenty twenty five donris elite one zero one kinda like a nebula look i but i bought those a while ago and they have finally finally arrived welcome to the pack collection yeah yeah alright card call out we asked to see cards and music that was fun there were some awesome awesome pairings i loved i mean also luck and lauryn hill like you had that is another good comp miseducation of andrew luck i loved dobbs car guy he had a breeze twenty fifteen topscram super and with the bruno mars song the what was it something about still like loving you just the way you are because you're amazing just the way you are just he's standing up for twenty fifteen topgroom i appreciate that i love that thought it was very funny and then chromatic cards posted a chris penn pmg which is bears player but it's the ninety eight pmg where it's like over the chicago skyline the same background as the jordan card with a little gang star in the background feel like i've shouted out premiere a couple times on here so seeing i was i was that felt like a targeted attack and i liked it it worked i i i love that one so good good stuff everybody thanks for submitting and this week episode forty four i was thinking we gotta do something draft but maybe like favorite draft bus or like beautiful beautiful that's it that's it player you're not does doesn't have to be like the biggest bus but just like someone your team drafted that you were super excited about or someone that when they came in fully you were super excited about that maybe didn't pan out so let's see favorite draft bus cards post them on instagram tag the football card pod we'll reshare tell a friend to follow the football card pod we're almost at a thousand we gotta get to a thousand let's let's do that this week and we'll see you next week thanks everybody