Hello, and welcome to the football card podcast. This is it. You made it. It is Friday, and you're listening to the fastest growing podcast, the longest running football card podcast in the entire world that's centered on football cards and most importantly, football cards. I'm your host, John, aka, Pac Nicholson, and with me as always is Brett, mister StackingSlipes himself.

Brett, how are doing? I'm well. I am surviving team no sleep. It gives me an opportunity to check eBay listings when the rest of the world is in bed, so there's a competitive advantage. I will say because there was a little bit of reaction on Instagram after I brought this up.

But I have my coffee, but I I brought an example because you were unfamiliar here, John. I've gotten the Alani Cosmic Stardust. It almost feels like if Alani was just, like, the base card, if it there's a standard brand, this Cosmic Stardust is, like, a parallel in a way thinking about, like, Cosmic out of Select. But this is probably my favorite version, but I can do them all. So wanted to push Alani even further because we would love to have the Alani brand sponsor the football card podcast because it's fueling the experience.

But that's what's going on with me. I'm more curious because you are on Cloud9 right now riding high, and I just wanna know, have you I guess I'm thinking about, maybe Bush, nineties band Bush. Mhmm. And I'm thinking about, don't wanna come back down from this cloud. Are you are you hanging onto that cloud right now as a bears fan?

Well, when you say Bush, all I think about is glycerin. And did you know there are no drums on that song? I did. Yeah. I think Bush has a kind of an underrated catalog.

I always turn to when I think of Bush. I think people remember the glycerine performance perhaps in in the rain. Dude, Machine Head was the one that ripped, and then you have Everything Zen. I might be a closet Gavin Rossdale fan. It's nostalgic.

It's the youth. So I'm glad we could wasn't really planning on it, but it like, as I was talking about you and where you're at right now, the the bush, came to my mind. Little bush talk. Yeah. I'm a novice, but I I just know glycerin, I feel like.

And Okay. The drum fact. And may there's some more I'd know if I heard them properly, but, yeah, life is good when your football team is winning football games. Yeah. I don't I don't wanna spend too much time on it boring our listeners, but that was just an unbelievable game, an unbelievable win.

That's what I just keep saying. It was unbelievable. Doesn't feel real. To put it in context, that is the fourth bears playoff win I've ever witnessed. So, like, this is a rare occurrence.

They they won a couple in the early nineties. I was alive, but I I was young. I didn't know ball yet, so those don't count. But starting in, like, 2000 is when I really started following them. 2001, that team specifically, but they lost in the playoffs.

Then couple wins before the Super Bowl with Rex Grossman at the helm, and then one lone Jay Cutler win in 2010. So and all those are reasons I collect. Right? I collect Jay Cutler because of one playoff win. I have Rex Grossman cards because he won two, and now Caleb Williams has already climbed the charts.

So I don't know. This might change the complexion of my entire PC. This is this is where I wanted to go. I wanted to, like, ask you, do you think because you made the decision to do what you did on that Jay Cutler finite, Do do you think this is helping the bear? Like, it got some national coverage.

And do you think this is helping propel? Like, obviously, Ben Johnson is a big catalyst for this season in inspiring this group of young men to continue to never give up, and continue to go. But there's this little piece in the background of some guy who has this football card podcast who decided to spend $12,000 on a Jay Cutler card. Do you think that is helping the bears in any way? I'm glad you asked, Brett, because, yes, I think it is.

Right? I have no choice but to not think that. It, it's amazing. I don't know. I just can't even and for it to be the packers, like, there's something so satisfying about that and the way the game went with all these iconic plays.

And the it was I was down bad at halftime. So we had my daughter actually went to my mother in law's for the night so that there was a no noise restriction on the house. We just alright. Governor's off and then had a couple friends come over and their significant others. But I told them they could come over with a halftime opt out clause, which means I can kick everyone out at halftime if the mojo needs to change.

That happened, like, after the literally happened. Not I didn't kick them out, but when the bears went for it on fourth down from, like, their own 30 Mhmm. In the second quarter because they were just trying anything and didn't get it. I hated I hated that decision and that this happened. And I left got up, left the living room, went to my basement.

May have slammed the door, may have shouted an explicative, but then I was down in the basement, and then I watched the packers score. And I was like, alright. I'm gonna give it till halftime, and then I'll come up. And then I hear rustling upstairs a few minutes later, and then my wife, I hear her open the basement door, and she's like, everyone left, honey. You can come upstairs.

And I was like and my buddy, Mike, I think he he led the charge of, like, we gotta go. We gotta shift it up. So I whatever. It all worked. It all worked, out.

And yeah. Then, I was just upstairs kinda pretty depressed, just already, like, going to the Coke cabinet. I couldn't believe it. Like, I knew there was time, but it just felt so, so bad. And even in the third quarter, they were still messing up.

There's there was another interception. There were so many times I thought they were dead, but they just figure it out. I don't know. It's it's amazing. Like, Ben Johnson changed my life.

Caleb Williams is a baller. Caleb Williams to me, I'm the comp I have now, he's Steph Curry. He's a young like, he's a hooper. He's out there just, like, shooting, and I I don't care about a completion percentage. I'd rather have 40% from three is better than 50% from two, and he's just balling.

So, like, I don't know. I love it. And then Colston Loveland's a stud. I love this team. And anyone upset about Ben's handshake, the Ben Johnson Malefleur handshake or his comments saying fuck the packers.

Just get out of here. This is a rivalry. Having like, football having a rivalry like this, it it's good for the NFL. Like, you know the next time they play next year, that's gonna be a primetime game. Everyone's gonna be watching, like, how how what's the handshake look like?

The these teams hate each other. I think Ben Johnson's leaning into that. He said in this press conference, like, we need this is a rivalry. It should be treated as such. There's a famous picture of Matt Eberflue sitting courtside with Matt LaFleur at a basketball game that bears fans hate.

Like, yeah, hate these guys. It's a rivalry, and the packers have beaten the bears so bad for so long. The bears finally snapped. It's like when, who who is it? Oh, Gypsy Rose killing her mom.

It's like, I can only take this Munchausen syndrome for so long and kick getting kicked and beat for so long. I'm gonna eventually shoot you in the face. So and that's what the bears did. It was awesome. And Sunday night against the rams is gonna be electric.

At Soldier Field, Stafford in the cold, LA boys in the cold. I don't know if they can handle it. Bring them on. Do you think about, as you're going through this in real time, how this experience and I know it's like you're in the moment, but how this experience influences the way you approach your collection? I want cool cards of all these players.

Yeah. And but there's, like it's not there's not a lot out yet. Like and Caleb's stuff, the prices already were kind of he was already in the, like, prospect quarterback price range, though he was lower than May and Jayden Daniels and all that. But, at the after that game, the next day, was looking on eBay, and my ended list had so many Caleb cards that I had been watching and, like, Colston Loveland cards that I had been watching just gone, just binned. So it def there's definitely, you know, a trickle down there.

And, yeah, it makes me want cards of all these play it makes me love the ones that I have. Like, I had bought a couple Caleb cards, DJ Moore cards I have. Like, I have a DJ Moore finite. It's like, I'm just looking at that after he scored two game winning touchdowns against the packers this year. It's like, you're cemented forever.

Like, again, I've only I only have four playoff wins to go off of as far as enjoyment that I can attach to these cards. So if you create these moments for me, like, you're locked in for life. Like, I've got Rex Grossman cards. I can't stress that enough. I own Rex Grossman cards.

I've spent money on Rex Grossman because he won playoff games for the bears. Like, the bar is very low. So, yeah, I want if you have cool contemporary bears cards, hit me up. I'm buying. The, remind the I love the coaches pushing the rivalry.

I think that's fun. The last time I can really remember or recall this is, you know, Steelers and Ravens, a rivalry this intense. And now both of those teams don't have their coaches, and it of course, it would be fun to see if they just swapped places. It's like heel turns, baby faces, like, just completely switching spots. So that news, I thought, was big news and felt like it deserved a minute.

But, yeah, man, I'll I'll be watching. It'll be a a fun I mean, I'm pumped about this playoffs. I know we'll probably talk about it a little bit more, but it felt appropriate to give you some airtime to talk about your squad because they are still dancing. Still dancing. Final eight, lead eight.

But, Brett, we only have seven football games left in the entire year. We've got four this weekend. There'll be two the weekend after, and then the Super Bowl a couple weeks after that. So just trying to enjoy it, but now I feel great. Like, even if they lose to the Rams, I can stomach that.

I was not in a good place thinking of them losing to the Packers yet again. So, yeah, I can't wait for that game. That's gonna be good. I can't wait to watch these other games. Josh Allen's alive going to Denver.

I feel like he can take that. Texans, patriots, seahawks, niners, they're it's a good slate. I'm excited. My three most impressive things from this previous week, and I'll I'll hit those really quick, and then let's get into it. These are not in any particular order, but I would say, Houston's defense, just absolutely insane when a quarterback can play just like CJ Stroud played for a majority of that game and they still dominate.

That's saying something. It's one of the best defenses I've seen, in the NFL in a long time with and I do think as much as it pains me to say, I do think Houston could make a Super Bowl, push. I'll say the bears and their ability to continue to defy the odds and come back in these moments, it's magical in a way, and it feels very much I was telling you before we hit record, like, I I believe if they beat the Rams, they're going to make it to the Super Bowl. I don't care who they're playing next. It just feels like one of those teams.

And then Josh Allen, just absurd. Like, this guy is so good. And for him to do what he did, and he's doing it. He's got, obviously, support with James Cook. But it's in these moments, it's all about Josh Allen.

And I was like, dude, don't kill yourself. Like, if you get a concussion, this is all fucked. Like, just try to and they're just continuing to, like, throw everything on his back. He's just he's the best player by a mile in the playoffs for me and certainly the most fun to watch. So I'm in I'm enjoying spectating this playoffs.

It's been fun so far. Yeah. It's wild. And the like you touched on earlier, the coaching search is insane. There's now nine teams looking for head coaches.

There aren't nine candidates out there. Like, Matt Nagy is gonna be a head coach again next year, which is mind blowing. Matt Eberflusz might. Who knows? Oh god.

Oh, yeah. It's the side that's even if, like, there's seven games left, the cycle never stops. You got the coaches, the combine, the free agency, the OTAs, the training camp, and we're back in the saddle again. And it just happened so quickly. Yeah.

And being here in Indy, I feel like I hear the noise. Like, I feel like Colts fans or at least some were upset about keeping Steichen or not shaking things up. And I'm like, I think Steichen's a good head coach, and what else is out there? There's not oh, you know? Yeah.

Maybe okay if you could get Harbaugh. I think I would take a Harbaugh or Tomlin even, but Tomlin's it sounds like it's taken a year off. But, no, I think Colts are in in the right to kinda run it back. Hopefully, injury luck is a little better next year. But because there are gonna be some of these teams that fire their head coach that are gonna end up with some dude, some scrub that no one's ever heard of.

I'm I'm fine with it because I I was more get rid of Ballard, but it's very apparent that they're tied at the hip. So that's fine. Like, let them see what happens this season and see how it plays out. But, yeah, it's the the coaching circles and how everything shakes out and unfolds, like, it's definitely a storyline to watch. I know the conversation that I've been having is just, like, free agency cap numbers and all that stuff.

And sub stuff I'm not usually nerdy about, but I'm finding myself more in the weeds on it. But it's the NFL. It consumes us, and we've got a podcast about football and football cards. So, I'm ready to get into it, dude. Let's get into it.

Episode 30. And, yes, thanks for bearing with us through the the football talk of the football card podcast. Based on our, you know, creed of football cards and football cards, we are allowed to talk football. So that we exercise that right right there, but now we'll get into the good stuff. Episode 30, season three, episode six.

But none of it none of this at all is possible without our wonderful sponsors, Ladder. They're the only ones. There's nobody else besides Card Ladder. Shout out, Card Ladder. Shout out, Chris McGill.

He's I I haven't talked with him about this, but he's got the bears, and then he's got his guys. You know? He's got McCaffrey and Purdy. I mean, his his, his cup must be full right now. I know he's constantly working on with Josh on CardLadder, making sure it's the leading best platform we have to track our cards and to see the sales history and manage our collections.

But it's always fun to see a a friend in the hobby who's also enjoying their time because all their interests are are winning in the NFL playoffs. Oh, yeah. It's such a treat to, like, watch, a successful performance on the field and then look at the card. And so it's, it's just funny how we enjoy this, and this is what we do. But, yeah, shout out, Chris.

The niner I think the niners could go to Seattle and win. I'm a big Shanahan fan. He I'm I'm push I'm pulling for him. I he's he's he's such a good coach, and they're going through adversity. The niners are really good.

Yeah. Episode 30, number 30, hall of famers, Terrell Davis, Clark Hinkle, Bill Willis, Ollie Matson, and Alex Wachecchke. I don't know. I'm gonna butcher that last name. But I'll I'll I'll start with one.

I saw the name Ollie Matson. I'm like, I don't know who Ollie Matson is, but I bet he's a old player that has some stories. And sure enough, hall of famer played in the in the fifties for the Chicago cardinals and then later the rams. But in his he was a rookie in '52 as a running back, halfback, and he was a first team all pro and a pro bowler. And then in '53, he went off and fought in a war as one does when you're a player of this era.

And then he came back in from '54 to '57, made four straight first team all pros. And yeah. So five time first team all pro, his first five seasons in the league. And, yeah, in in an era where running backs weren't putting up insane numbers, he's, like, up in the 07/08, 09/2024 was his most rushing yards in a 12 game season, plus a few 100 receiving yards. So, yeah, he was kind of an electric back there early in his career.

And, yeah, what a sick card. Like, look at that. He's not he wasn't a packer. I don't know. Oh, I think this says Sanford University of San Francisco is his.

Yeah. University of San Francisco, 1952 Bowman Large, Ali Madsen, PSA nine is the highest selling Ali Madsen card of all time. It sold for $7,800 11/14/2018. This card is now card ladder valued at 33,900.0. It is a pop one.

So how are you doing? Yeah. That's it. That is for all you, vintage football connoisseurs, there's only one copy. This is the highest graded copy, baby.

How about that individual winning this auction in in 11/14/2018? There's probably not a lot of hype around Ollie Matson cards, but they're laughing their ass off now. And they're like, listen to the football card podcast, and they're like, I can't believe they're talking about my guy, Ollie, right now. Damn right. Shout out, Ollie.

But I will say I'm just now realizing this. I'm on the bible pro football reference. He only wore 30 for one year. He was mainly a thirty three, but on the NFL Hall of Fame website, he's listed as a thirty. That's my bad for not I should have caught that earlier, but NFL Hall of Fame.

He qualifies. He qualifies, but see, he's got 33 on that card. But this is a college card. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't know. I just think I need to write a letter to NFL HQ, get Roger on the line, and fix your hall of fame tab on your website. Just, like I don't know. What other what thirties jumped out to you, Brett? Instantly, was Terrell Davis.

Yep. He was the guy. Mile high salute. I caught, like, a football life, Terrell Davis, a little like, maybe two years ago during something. I was just sitting around.

And just to see his story of resilience being a six round pick, he was six string going into that training camp. Almost didn't make the team, but he was a badass on special teams that they kept him around. He then propelled himself in, 95 to become the starter, and the rest is history. Right? Hall of famer, three time all pro, all in a row, which is insane.

MVP, Super Bowl MVP. His car he's got a sick card catalog. I'm thinking right now as I'm talking about Charles Davis. I'm thinking about Andy, bye bye baby cards, and got a chance to see his green PMG of Charles Davis at the national. Such a sick player.

I was looking at just you know, you got this gem you drafted, you're finding it out in real time in the broncos after he had a thousand yard season in '95. You know, they inked him to a long term deal. How about NFL deals back in the day? Five years, $6,800,000 is what a guy like Terrell Davis, made. And you see that, you're like, that's still a lot of money.

But comparatively, it's like, that's this is why Terrell Davis is, like, making the town, signing some autograph still. It's like, doesn't hurt to keep getting, the money, in the bank. But, yeah, one of the greatest one of the greatest running backs, like, time frame production, he he just there's never been another running back who has checked all the boxes in terms of all the things you could do in such a short amount of time. I think one of should be one of the more collectible type of running backs, based on everything that he did, and he's just got a sick card catalog. So many good cards in the late nineties.

That's one of the all time runs, again, as a running back fan to have the regular season success and then the playoff success just in winning two Super Bowls, thousand yard season, MVP, Super Bowl MVP. He did it all in a very, very short window, but, was amazing. And I heard that story. I don't know. I must have saw a clip recently.

John Elway talking about how Terrell Davis tried to quit the team when they were playing some game in Japan. And Mhmm. Because Terrell Davis was, like, at the time, yeah, like, fourth string or something. And he was, like, went down. Terrell Davis said, I called down to the front desk.

I was asking if they could get me a flight to Denver back to The United States. She didn't understand me, and I didn't understand what she was saying. My Japanese wasn't great. Let me just put it that way. Instead of booking the flight remember, there was no travel off the Expedia.

You couldn't go on your iPhone. I said, you know what? I'll just tough it out When I get home, then I'll quit. That was my plan. So I'd already mentally tapped out of playing because I figured I was just there as camp meet.

But instead of going back to Denver early, he goes to the game expecting not to play. He even ate a bunch of hot dogs before the game, and he gets in on special teams, makes a huge hit on special teams on kick coverage. That got him noticed. They let him play a few snaps on offense. He had, like, eight carries for 40 yards and kinda worked his way up from there.

So, yeah, Terrell Davis not knowing Japanese is the reason we have all these cool cards today. That is, absolutely incredible. I I think that story was in that doc that I saw, because it was as you're talking through it, definitely triggered some memories. But I think it it this the moral of the story is is that stories like this when your team is drafting, you never know, like, these late round guys. There's always a few of them every year, and it makes it makes me more interested in those later rounds not knowing kind of one of these guys could pop like Terrell Davis did in this era.

The the final thing I wanna say about TD is I always think about this with him, but you've got in the '95 season, I believe they're still in the kind of the orange crush older uniforms. And it's like it was like they got professionalized when they transitioned into the new logo and that the new look. It's like, then they won Super Bowls. That was like as a kid, I was, like, mesmerized by that. It's like, I think in their first season in the new uniforms, they won the Super Bowl, and it was, like, their new look.

So the aesthetics of the the branding of the broncos, I always we're we're, like, looking back, it's like, it it got professionalized. But I remember those being hot jerseys. Everyone wanted to grab them because they were new, they had just won the Super Bowl. Yeah. That there's something about that, getting a uniform refresh and it boosting the team.

Didn't the didn't that happen with the seahawks? I feel like they had those I think you're right. Yeah. Like, Matt Hasselback pick six jerseys, and then at some point, they refreshed into the new and I like, they won the Super Bowl in that. I don't know if that was the first year of those, but there was a a facelift to the jerseys for the seahawks when they won.

We want we want the we want the ball, and we're gonna score. Yeah. Oh my god. That's one of my favorite. There was, like, the anniversary of that recently.

I got served it on, Instagram. I I couldn't share it to my story because it was packers related, and it was packers week. But that was one of my favorite plays in NFL history. Just moments. I remember watching that vividly.

And we want the ball. We're gonna score pick six to Al Harris. Just So I always, like, forever thought of Hasselback as that, and it was like, oh, this guy. And then he came in to back up Andrew Luck, and Andrew Luck hurt, and the dude just kept winning games. And I was like, dude, Matt Hasselbeck rules.

And I actually went to the Georgia Dome to watch Colts and Falcons during this season, and road games aren't aren't easy to win. And Matt Matt Hasselbeck won me a road game in Atlanta. And for my mind is erased from the from the the snap oo in the playoffs in the comments. And now I can now when I think of him, I just think of being at that game with all my buddies. And when we bought the tickets, Andrew Luck was supposed to be playing, but Matt Hasselback played, and he won us the damn game.

Wow. Incredible. Yeah. I'll still remember the pick six. I'm sorry.

I can't can't erase that. It was again, pick six, maybe my favorite play in sports, which brings me to another 30, my personal 30, Mike Brown, safety for the bears. I've talked about him a lot on this pod. 2,001, back to back pick sixes in overtime. Victory is just insane.

Kinda locked me in as a bears fan. So shout out Mike Brown. Some other thirties, Todd Gurley, two time first team all pro, touchdown machine there for a bit. He had 40 touchdowns in a two year span, 2017, twenty eighteen. That's a hell of a run.

Over 2,000 yards from scrimmage in 2017, 1,800 yards from scrimmage in 2018. Todd Gurley, fancy superstar. Shout out Josh Josh Johnson, Gurley collector. Aman Green. See, I'm I'm happy to give packers big ups now.

I have no hard feelings on the packer. I feel sorry for the packers. That's I'm down to you know, it sucks when you're the, you know, doormat of the NFC. So, you know, I'll I'll I'll shout out Ahmaud Green. He was a bears killer there for a while and was a stud running back.

In 02/2003, he had 2,250 yards from scrimmage and 20 touchdowns. That's just a monster, monster year. And one other 30, Leron Landry. He spent some time in Indy. But I got a story.

All time bicep team, all time just big dude team. Well, he was huge. He was just a massive, massive dude. A, one of the many great Ryan Gregson signings, not. I was at the Colts kickoff season ticket holder, affair.

It's like a lunch. And they put a couple players at each table. And it's like I mean, I'm like, this is gonna be who am I gonna get? Like, am I gonna get who who is who are they gonna sit me next to? And, of course, I'm like, god.

I hope it's Andrew Luck. And you know? If it's not Luck, I hope it's t y. And it's it's literally, like, it's the most nerve wracking thing of all time because you're sitting in there, and they bring in the players. And they just, like, are assigned a table, and you're just, like, watching.

Like, who's coming at me? And the two players were the first player, and he sat down right next to me, was Donald Brown. And Donald Brown could not have been a more genuine, awesome guy. Very conversational. Like, we chopped it up, talked.

He was great. And I liked him a lot before this, but I loved him afterwards. And then Ron Landry was the other one. And his back was so big. I mean, I just remember him being in the shirt and being like, this guy is a freak.

Dude, LaRon Landry, I don't think he said one word. Like, he just had his phone, and he was just looking at it. I was like, alright, LaRon. And that was it. But, yeah, I hadn't thought about LaRon Landry in a minute.

And when I saw him on the sheet, I was like, I gotta sure share that story. That is incredible. He was like, get me out of here. I need to be in the weight room. Yes.

Why am I sitting around with these nerds? I need to be hitting someone on the field. Mhmm. Donald Brown, though. Damn it, Donald, is one of the Donald.

Damn it. Donald. One of the great great videos. I forgot he's in I'm looking up Donald Brown highest selling cards, which I'm sure you have a a part of. His 2012 Prism Gold, $511 That was me.

In October. There we go. I I bid I bid, like I feel like I bid, like, $4,000 on that. I was like, there's no chance of me losing this card. Was that one of the final no.

The Reggie was the final piece. Reggie was the final, but it was it was like dude, it was when I saw the card pop up, it was probably my favorite save search listing pop up of all time. Like and then I, like, saw it was, like, seven days, and I was like, oh my god. And I was like, there's no way you can I wanted that card so bad? And so, yeah, I went crazy.

Like, that card it would I I that card, if someone were up doing it sword fighting with me on that, it could have been very bad because I was I was like, there's I'm not losing this card. It was one of those. This is a great image too on the card, and he's I'm looking now. He's running away from a bears player, a bears tackler. So I bet we could do some digging and could find that photo, find the, what game that's from.

That great looking card, the finite of that would be That's what I'm saying. I I wanna do a classified ad here because why not? If you have ever seen that card and you wanna make a lot of money, find me. Slide in the DMs. I would I would, let's talk, baby.

That is awesome. Yeah. Some some good thirties. Oh, and I actually looked up, and I was pretty surprised, but the highest AV of thirties of all time was let me Is it not t d? No.

It's Ahmaan Green. Oh, wow. Yeah. With a 95. Because he played just like, Terrell Davis is fourth with 80.

Because, I mean, TD only played six years. So to put up 80 in six years is pretty impressive. And then Mike Brown is up there at seventh with a 65. He only played nine years and a couple injuries in there, but he had a first team all pro. He had a second team all pro.

He was a very, very good safety. If he he got hurt during the bears Super Bowl season if he would have been there for the playoffs. Again, I've said it before. Reggie Wayne's not getting that open. You're probably right.

Uh-huh. Alright. Thirties. That's a good those are some good thirties. But now it's time for the three and out.

And I should've wrote down who said it, but someone DM'd. I will find it at some point and shout you out. But they said for the three and out, instead of us being on offense and going three and out, what if we're on defense trying to make a stand? Oh. I like that.

So We're defensive guys. We're defensive guys. Defense wins championships. Don't tell that to the bears, but let's do it. It's first and 10.

They're, you know, they're coming out here. They're trying to score on us. We gotta step up and get a stop here. So I I think it's very appropriate, and it'll be really easy to stop this first down based on what we saw this past week in the subject. So, I wanna talk Justin Herbert.

Oh. Yeah. I know. Ouch. And I I like watching me some regular season Justin Herbert.

I hate watching me some playoff Justin Herbert. And it was I I the stink of last year against the Texans where he threw four picks, I was like, god, he looked terrible. And then this year, it was like, I know he didn't have his two. He didn't have Slater and Joel, and that makes a big difference. But it was so ugly.

And so this this made me think of this first down where dug into Card Ladder, the official data provider of the football card podcast. He has and I did some data digging on Herbert. He has $29.06 figure card sales. He has two 7 figure card sales. He has zero playoff wins in six seasons.

Is Justin Herbert proof that the hobby can create 7 figure assets before a legacy even exists, and what should that mean for collectors? So wanted to drop that bomb here on first down and get your reaction. I would say my takeaway is don't spend a million dollars on a player who, like, has never done anything. That's that's the starting point. I think he, though, came at that perfect confluence of timing and hype in the in the hobby in general with, like, having a, you know, baller, rookie in second year.

He threw for 5,000 yards in his second year. Mhmm. So, like, you know, that the hype is there. He had so many touchdowns in those first two seasons, and that happened to be in 2020, 2021. So it's like he was the hot hottest prospect during the hottest time in in hobby history.

So, yeah, my advice is don't do that, but I understand it's hard if you're actually a fan of the chargers or Herbert, in those situations. But, yeah, I mean, the the hobby can artificially create we've seen them create cards that just instantly become million dollar cards. And so if you have the right player, I think, yeah, it does show that and and you can make they could just make a million dollar card out of thin air if they wanted to for some prospect. Like, if they put out I'd say Drake May is, like, the most hyped QB right now Mhmm. In the prospect land.

For sure. Like, if they put out some, like, playoff shield auto one of one from his, like, first playoff win, you know, like, it tops now or whatever. Like, I don't know if it'd do a million dollars, but I could see that card selling for a ton of money. Cooper Flag right now, I feel like if he had a Logo Man auto, that would go for a crazy amount. So, I mean, Wenbanyama had a few, like, high, like, $700,000 sales.

Like, I don't know if we'll see a million again for, like, a totally unproven prospect the way that it happened to Herbert, but I don't know. The right the right athlete, the right card, it could happen. What what is more surprising to you? The $2,000,000 sales or the $29.06 figure sales? Damn.

$29.06 figures. That's That's so many, dude. That's a lot for yeah. And a reminder that it's hard to be a quarterback in the NFL. Like, you can Harder than ever.

And, like, it's not always up into the right. Like, he he had a great rookie year, and then his sophomore year was better. And so then everyone's buying thinking, like, this is the trajectory that will continue forever. And he hasn't had terrible regular seasons, but they're pretty modest. Like and I'm looking right now.

This 2025, I don't know. He made a Pro Bowl. He had less passing yards than Caleb Williams, less touchdowns than Caleb Williams, more interceptions than Caleb Williams, and they won the same amount of games. So I don't know if that's just because he's in California in mister Hollywood, and that gets you the the Pro Bowl nods these days, but I don't know. He Justin Herbert might be a fraud.

O for o for three in the playoffs? Caleb Williams has a playoff win already. So what are we doing? The the o for three, it's like, yeah, it's tough to win, but the way it's looked to me Yeah. And that's dude, I just can't imagine holding on to a bunch of his cards and paying what the they cost and continuing to watch that year over year.

And so I think he is an interesting guy to to just monitor, right, and see, like, how far down does it go. And it'll be interesting when you continue to see it go. Is it like does it reach a point where people are finally like, okay. I'm willing to take a chance on this, which it will at some point. But it's almost hard for his, like you know, good as he's been in the regular season at times.

It's it's it's almost hard to even pay, you know, a a certain price on his cards now based on what we've seen in the playoffs. You're like you're like, his brand now is like, is this just the guy who fumbles in the playoffs every year? And that's just what it's shaping up to be. Now will it be that way forever? Who knows?

But it's it'd be hard to buy his cards. Yeah. $1,800,000 on his Shield auto. That's is that, like, the highest Shield auto of like, I'm typing in? It has to be.

No. There's Mahomes. Herbert's number two. Mahomes, 4,300,000.0. I forgot about I remember that one.

Yep. $20.21. Private sale. But, yeah, that's the highest selling. As far as typing in ShieldAuto and card letter and sorting my price.

Mahomes is one. Herbert, 2. Burrow, 1,700,000.0. 3 or bur yeah. Burrow, three.

Herbert, Yeah. We definitely we definitely stopped them on that first down. No yards. Oh. Maybe negative yards.

I think, yeah, it's second and 11 now. That's minor minor loss. Oh, yeah. We talked question two. We've talked about the batch of gold shine that Panini cooked up in 2013 and how they nailed it.

I love thinking of it like a wine where it's like the mixture, the soils were right that, you know, you had a nice, Pineapple Express wind coming in from Hawaii. Everything made that batch. But it got me thinking because as, the Panini era ends and we're getting into tops, and what started this train of thought was the tops having the, the, like, black geometric in tops chrome, which is looks like a black finite, but it's out of 10. And I'm like, you're kinda diluting the black finite juice there. And, you know, how how does that all work?

So but here's the question. If you could bottle up a parallel finish, like a nice bottle of wine, like, could have a nice bottle of 2013 prism gold on ice on your shelf or nineteen ninety eight PMG championship, you know, nice glittery swirls in there or twenty fourteen black finite. What, what's a parallel finish that you would have in a bottle? The twenty thirteen prism golds is the best finish of all time. I would just battle it up, put it away, and store it.

And when, you know, oversupply and overproduction happens twenty years from now, which is bound to be the case based on way things are trending, I will be like, oh, how do I salvage this? And I salvage it by going to the crate in in the basement, in the bowels of the basement, and opening up that can and just smelling it and holding it up to the light and be like, oh, these were the days. And I can tell my grandkids about the 2013 Prism, gold of it all. Just the best shine of all time on a card. I'll I'll I'll I'll even say this, like and then I'd love to hear your response.

There I have, obviously, this monstrous prism gold collection and or prism collection. And there even with, like, finites finites in design, like, some years, like, there are I I was looking at it, I was like, there was, like, some have some, like, common guys and finites. And I was like, you know what? Like, do I really need these? And so, like, I'm kinda going through a little bit of a consolidation effort.

So I, like, took I just, like, took three finites. I was like, you know, I these aren't doing it for me, but it was it was from, what year was it? Twenty twenty twenty two or 2021. I can't remember the year. 2023, actually.

And I was just like, he this just isn't doing it for me. So I think sometimes, like, the the the design plays a role in the aesthetics and my desire to, like, really appreciate them. And I think 2014 is a good one because of, like, the full bleed, and it makes the aesthetic pop a little more. But, yeah, my answer to my question is twenty thirteen gold prism without question. And a little teaser, we'll be talking about pickups.

And, last night, I have a pickup that fell right within that category, and it happened because of a good brother in the community. And so we'll share that in a little bit, but that might have influenced my response on this. But, yeah, twenty thirteen Prism Gold's till the day I die. Wow. That's yeah.

I mean, to me, that's the cleanest one too, like, if you're bottling it up. One that comes to mind for me, 97 rubies football. Mhmm. I don't own any of those cards, but I just love looking at those. That's such a cool pattern.

And then yeah. I mean but I I think $20.13 gold is what I would still I would do that too. I need a bottle of that, take a drink of it, and probably just die. It's, like, straight bleach, lead, something. But, yeah, bottle it up.

Alright. They get they got some yards on that. I won't lie. I think they made it third and short. That's okay.

I've got a good one for third down. We'll see if they they can, produce, but I don't know how many people are turned on to this. But the Sports Card Yoda, if you follow that account, just there's always so many bangers and a lot going on. Someone subbed this card to Sports Card Yoda, which is the twenty twenty two Flawless Mahomes flawless shield one of one. And Sports Card Yoda posted it that it got a PSA 10.

But the the the the thing about this card that needs to be talked about is the fact that this, I believe, is the only game worn Mahomes shield in the in the ever, like, in Panini cards. Wow. This card. You've got game use patches in 22 flawless for Mahomes. And then so, like, it was like, is this shield game use?

And if you look at the back of the card, it is con confirmation of it. So you've got let's say and I could be wrong, but I believe this is the only one. You've got one game used Patrick Mahomes, Flawless Shield in in '22. It gets a PSA 10. Based on all the criteria and all the elements and all of this stuff, like, obviously, this card is a a monster, but it has me thinking.

It's like, how big of a card is this comparatively to the entire Mahomes catalog? Like, would you rather have this 22 because it's game one one of one than hit that $4,000,000 shield that was his rookie card? So I thought this would be a good third down. Third downs aren't easy to convert. We're hoping that it's not easy to convert here since we're on the defensive side of the ball, but there's a lot that can go into this.

So wanna I don't know if you knew about this card, but wanted to introduce this card and just gather your thoughts on just, like, the makeup and where this stands may be in his catalog. Yeah. Personally, just at face value, I would rather have this card than that $4,300,000 horizontal shield auto not game used. This one being game used, I like. It being vertical, I like.

The shield having, like, chipping on it Yes. Knowing the game useness, I think, is awesome. I I doubt it's worth it would sell for less than that rookie auto, but, aesthetically, this is I like the look of this much better, and it's a 10. This card's rules. I I hope it goes up for auction.

It's I'd like to see what this does. But, yeah, that's up there with, yeah, if this is his only game new shield from Panini, that's definitely one of his best cards. So you have to think, okay. I to me, I see this card knowing what I know about cards and seeing all of the factors at play. And, like, I really wanna focus in on the rarity and scarcity of this.

Like, you cannot everyone is saying, like, you have to wait until tops to come out for a game used Shield Mahomes. It's like, no. There's actually one right here, and this is the only one. Dude, based on, like, the Ohtani sale dude, this has got to be a million dollar card. Like Yeah.

To me, I don't know how it doesn't reach $1,000,000 based on everything I'm seeing here if it does go up for auction. It there are some insane high end sales happening right now. I don't know if you saw that, like, Luca Black Prism Yes. For, like, $375,000 from, like, '23 2023 or 2024. But yeah, just the, what, six year Luka Black one of one is going for 400,000.

This is a one of one, yeah, not rookie year, but the only game you shield. That is we we've seen. That is something that collectors really, really want. I bet all mister wonderful would want this card for his index, so watch out. But, no, this is this would be yeah.

This would go for a million dollars. Such a banger. Such a cool card. Also, shout out a o cards on Instagram. He did a video breaking this card down, and that video is what turned me on to this card.

So always love it when I get an opportunity. I can shout out another creator in the space, but nice piece of content there. Incredible card. Awesome. I think we stopped them.

They're bringing out the chains. Let's go. Short. Buy an index card. Virtual measurement?

Oh, yeah. They do the virtual mech. That's insane that just a couple years ago, we're using an index card, and they made it they finally, like, made it virtual. We the the NFL finally evolving. Uh-huh.

Yep. We stopped them. Turnover on downs. Let's talk some sales, shall we? Yes.

We've got some, I we've got several. We got some big ones here, that caught my attention. By the way, this we're talking about big sales, and this wasn't on the list, but I wanna bring this up. Did because this is you're kind of a a connoisseur in this space. Did you see the 2,000 Bowman paper gold Brady sale?

Wasn't there a big one that just went down? If there was, I missed it. I think it was the highest graded copy of this card. I should have been prepared. This is me not being prepared of it.

I saw it in half. Wow. January 9 Yes. For $675,000. Yes.

I'm gonna pull it up here. It's a PSA 10? That's insane. That's insane. The gold.

Holy cow. It's sold on REA, Robert Edwards Auctions. Dark scan here. That's That's what I'm saying. These cards don't scan.

Well, that is yeah. I did not know about that. I mean, I feel like I thought that was, like, a I guess in a 10, all bets are off, but I thought this was, like, a $30,000 card. It's a pop three. So a few years ago, his jersey number version sold for a $192,000 in a b g s nine.

Would you rather have jersey number in a b g s nine or random number in a PSA ten? PSA ten random number. All done. Especially when there's 99 copies. I I I I I get jersey numbers, but I I would rather have a higher technical I would rather have a higher technical grade.

I would rather have a 10 for sure. Maybe maybe from an eight to nine, there's a difference, but a a 10 is a 10. It's like, I'd rather have this. Alright. So the last time this sold yeah.

So BGS eight five sold in September for $42,000. So to go from an eight five is 42 to a 10 is $6.75, and the 10 is a pop three, I don't know. That seems It's crazy it's the crazy sales you were talking about. When you said that, this card triggered in my head. But I also because, there's shout out all you Brady collectors who listen to Stacking Slabs content.

You have been the most loyal group. You've listened for to Stacking Slabs forever, and I appreciate you for that. But and you also love to share all your Brady cards and knowledge with me, and I appreciate the passion around that. But this is this card was one of those cards that a lot of Brady collectors would talk to me about and being like, I don't think people are quite seeing what this card is right now because it's bone and paper, but it's gold version, and there's only 99 copies. But, yeah, this to me, this is one of his coolest rookie cards.

Absolutely. And, like, it being serial numbered and a gold, it had you know, it Wearing Patriots jersey. Wearing a Patriots jersey. His refractor isn't numbered, and that comparatively has a higher pop. So no.

I've always that this card is what drew me to 2,000 Bowman Golds in general. Like, when I first got back in the hobby, I was like, I remember doing this set, found out that there's numbered 90 out of 99 versions. I wish it was, yeah, like, a little brighter, a little shinier on photos and in scans, but it's a in the in the Patriots gear. That's his best photo. That's his best rookie photo.

I will I think everyone is in agreement there, better than wearing sweatpants. I don't think you'll get a chance to add the Tom Brady to your, collection, John. No. I think I got Manning for, like, $70. That's incredible.

And, like, then there was a Terrell Owens the other day I was watching, and then I forgot it. I missed the end, and it went for, like, $15. I was like, damn it. But We we better shut up about these. We'll we'll start seeing these, take off here in a little bit.

May well, this sale will probably catapult these into the next level. All I care about is Caleb Williams cards now. So There you go. Everything's I'm selling everything else. I can't wait to watch that unfold.

We are we've got several cool cards. We're gonna talk about the 2017 n t Calvin Johnson Shield Auto. That's it. P s PSA nine. This sold on eBay for $7,625.

Calvin Johnson with Megatron Shield, like, all of the elements, This is a guy, man. I just love how he's got such a strong collector base. But, yeah, this is a cool card. What do you think about it? Yeah.

This is great. That I never wanna say $6,707,000 is a steal, but that seems like a good buy. It's game used. Right? Yeah.

Looks game used. Yeah. I that's awesome. Megatron, yes, has a diehard collector base. He was so, so good during that, you know, early February era.

I think he yeah. Three straight first team all pros. Most receiving yards in a season in history, 1,964, a record that I'm shocked no one's hit two k yet with the extra game. You know, I keep thinking we're gonna get there. Tyreek Hill, I think, got close.

But, yeah, that that's an awesome card even One of if it's a lion. But yeah. One of my favorite, you're going to the hall of fame, videos ever. I when he Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. One, it was it was he just so such a genuine response. I love it. Yep. Alright.

Another lion here or this this guy is not only a former lion, but he is also playing against your team this week. We got a 2016 FLAWLESS Shield signature Stafford one of one game worn BGS nine selling for 6,500. So we we showed a Megatron and thought it was interesting that a staffer came off the board as well. Yeah. He's my enemy this week, so I can't say anything nice about this.

Just I hope his little sprained finger feels okay in the frigid cold, and hope he doesn't get too achy and throw some interceptions. So, yeah, cool card. Do do you think Davonte Adams is, like, giving the the the Rams, like, the inside scoop about Soldier Field and these Bears fans because he he's he's coming from the rivalry? Yeah. He already had quotes about it.

I think he said Oh, did he? Once a packer, always a packer, which is so lame. Or some he's he's been talking about the yeah. Once a packer, always a packers. If packers fans get something from it, I love that as well, which, like, you can't team up with other fan bases.

This is the NFL. See, this everyone's too buddy buddy now. Yeah. Like, alright. Go stay on that side.

Do that. I'm good with the Ben Johnson fuck everybody energy. So, yeah, he can he can tell them all he wants about playing at Soldier, but he's never played in a playoff game, a divisional round. None these fans haven't seen that in decades, so there's no that place is gonna be electric. I cannot wait until Sunday night.

Been waiting all week for Sunday night. How about this one? We got the 98 FLIR Brilliance Bruce Smith 24 karat gold in a PSA nine selling for $4,999.99. This is the highest graded PSA copy. Honestly, I was like, man, that seems like a pretty that's screaming deal for Bruce Smith in a pop one.

And the image on this photo is so sick. It's like he just got so done celebrating a sack. One of my favorite 24 carat golds that I've seen in a while. I didn't have this burned into my brain until I saw this. No.

This is put some respect on Bruce Smith's name. Like, I know we've talked to Aaron Donald and Aaron Donald's run, but Bruce Smith in a ten year span had one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight first team all pros, a second team first team all pro, a season that he missed to injury, and two defensive players of the year. In that like, he did what Aaron Donald did in this in a ten year stretch, but then he added, eight extra seasons on either side of that. 200 sacks Jesus. NFL leader, 200 sacks, all time record.

That's that's crazy. Yeah. But, like, I guess so if we go back to our album comparison, this is, like, when the album, you know, has, like, 18 songs, and there's a couple maybe skips on there. But but, like, the core of it, the middle 10 is up there with anybody. Yep.

And very impressive run. Never had more than 15 sacks in a season, but his floor was, like, 14 sacks. That's insane. Fifteen, twelve, eleven, thirteen, nineteen, fourteen, fourteen, ten, 10, 13, 14, ten, seven, 10. Like, when he's 40 years old, he had five sacks.

I would 40 year old Bruce Smith, the bears defensive line could use him. They like, he would make an impact. I when I think of Bruce Smith, obviously, the sacks come up. But, dude, I always I always laugh because he would just always talk shit about Tony Baselli. He he was so pissed off.

Tony Baselli made the hall of fame. He's like, this guy sucks. Like, I kicked his ass. Like, he shouldn't be in there, just holding grudges, decades later. That's awesome.

Bruce, that and he's in all those sets too. All of them. And, like, the Bills uniforms, like these the red, white, and blue jerseys are so fun. That is an awesome card. Dude, if the Bills make it to the Super Bowl, they I don't know if it it'd probably be bad luck, but, like, I feel like that this is the look they gotta go for.

Yeah. That would that would be sick. Alright. We move over to a little vintage. Little vintage?

Yeah. We got the '70 one tops Terry Bradshaw rookie in a PSA eight selling for $3,950. This is a population 460, man. There's three tens. 460 of these bad boys, and this thing is selling for nearly $4,000.

That's crazy. That's like a way higher pop than I would have thought, but it leads me to wonder about the 10. Guess what the 10 is selling for? What? So it sold October 2021.

That's a pop three. Sold in 2021 for $430,000. But I wonder that had to have been the last sale because card CardLadder's saying it's worth 600,000. So Wow. His index must be up since then.

Yeah. Shout out Terry Bradshaw, though he's kind of getting more and more incoherent on He is. Fox. They cut to him, and he just he just says nonsense for a minute, and everyone nods, and then they cut away from him. But How about this little foot this is how seventies is this little football guy on the bottom of this card?

Yeah. That's awesome. But just take it back to the basics. You know? Like, a nice nice image, nice clean borders, good color contrast, Little football logo.

The I Dude, love the charts. How about the fact you just gotta love the representation for the AFC on the card too. How cool is that? Oh, yeah. I mean, because I feel like it was still kinda new.

You know? They're still introducing what the what the AFC is because what they merged in the late sixties Mhmm. Something like that. So, yeah, Terry Bradshaw, little vintage football. Alright.

We got a couple of fine nights to close us out here. I saw this 2012 Dwayne Bow, PSA 10 finite go off the board. Sold for $5,280. The whenever I think of Duane Bowe, I always think about the fact that, like, the didn't the Chiefs, like, go in an entire season without throwing a touchdown to a wide receiver? And Duane Bowe was like that wide receiver, so I always think about him.

But I bring up this card just to say, like, it's Duane Bowe. Like, name recognition is there. His his finance, you know, is selling for $5,200. So, like, there's demand on any of these players in this set, but Duane Bowe is definitely somebody who is very recognizable in this time frame. Oh, yeah.

I think, yeah, 2014, he had no touchdown receptions. That's his only year on Kansas City with none, but I remember that. It was all tight ends or running backs. Alex Smith, yeah, 2014. I feel like that tracks.

This this card's sick. We everyone knows we love these Black Fine Knights. I was I'm glad you put this one in in here because I remember watching it, and I never checked to see what it ended for. 5,200 for Duane Bocard, that's gotta be his. Yes.

We'll we'll we'll, we'll do I would say that's his yep. Is it? Yeah. He had a Superfractor. His Topps Chrome o seven rookie Superfractor sold for $2,200 in October.

So two of Joainbow's best cards going for sale in the last couple months. I hope they end up in the in in some cool collections. Final one here is we have the 21 Kyle Pitts, rookie, one of one, black finite, PSA nine. This sold for $4,200. Now Pitts hasn't really lived up to his draft position.

Although watching Pitts in, like, his the last games of the season, I believe he's in a contractor, he looked like the best tight end of all time. Yeah. So I just I find it interesting because, like, a card like this, when this hit the market, I'm sure would have sold. I looked. There's no previous sales, but a card like this probably comes out of the gate set, like, you know, in between, you know, ten and fifteen k.

And after some time in the league, this card's selling for $4,200, which is a lot of money. But I think, to me, the story is, like, patience, is rewarding sometimes with cards like this. Yeah. His rookie year, he had a thousand yards in his rookie season, 26 yards. If this had sold right then in, like, 2021, I bet this would have gone for over 10 k, I would imagine.

But, yeah, it's I feel like, I guess, this year was his previous two years, he was over 600 yards. This year, he had 928 yards, five touchdowns. Really good season. Yeah. That just, like, draft position expectation kind of, you know, thing.

Like, he he's been fine as a tight end, but the fact that he was, like, the fourth overall pick is, like, way like, discredits his performance almost. It's like the people expect more, which rightfully so. But, yeah, this is I would, I want Kyle Loveland or Colston Loveland's rookie finite. Would I pay $4,200? I don't know.

That's a lot of money. But who knows? If that pops up, send me the link, please. Dude, I feel like if it if it pops up and you can get it for $4,200 after the last game, you you got that has to be yours, but I feel like it would do these this this. Yeah.

It we're we're gonna see how this goes with the the last lap, but it it feels like it's they're the the, Big Flip Inc. Now has the other narrative feather to put in their cap of this is the final year, and that's gonna be just pushed down our throats. Throats. Yeah. And Loveland, I feel like caught the attention of more people with the playoff performance.

137 yards most ever by a I think most ever by tight end in the playoffs, not even just rookie tight end. He had, like, a monster. No. It was rookie tight end. But, yeah, he's been balling.

Collecting updates? What do you got? I have nothing in hand. Oh, except he's getting up from his desk. Oh gosh.

Reggie Bush on the front. 2006, Bohman Chrome box. When do I rip this? So this is coming out Friday. I didn't know if I should do it Friday night.

I don't know if I can time it with football games. I was thinking Oh, yeah. I wanted to get it by halftime of Monday. It didn't come in till yesterday, which was Tuesday. Are you gonna do it on the football card pod Instagram?

Yeah. These are all logistics I should have talked to you offline about before we're recording live. I mean, it's all up, in the air. Yeah. I was thinking doing it from the football card pod IG, just ripping.

Maybe I'll do, like, a poll and see when people would want to Yeah. Watch that. If it's Friday night, if it's, I'd wanna do it half maybe halftime of a Saturday game or, like, a halftime of the early Sunday game. Maybe I'll aim for that, doing a rip. Like, when people are able to or after the bears game, maybe it's Sunday.

You don't wanna you don't wanna plan. I don't I don't wanna anything there. Well, to be determined, when that timing is, but, yeah, we're gonna be ripping that. And then I did smash bin on a Prism Gold, a 2,015 Alshon Jeffrey Prism Gold. Let's go.

Yeah. $125, probably. And and it had or best offer. There was an offer on it, like, one active offer. So went ahead and just windmill bin that bad boy, but that's oh, and I got a 2018 Prism Gold Leonard Floyd for $30.

So, you know, just when those random golds pop up, you just you gotta get them, which I think can set up your pickup. Yes. And I wanna thank you, I think, for texting me. John texted me this week at a link, and when I, like, luckily saw my phone in time, I just saw, like, the twenty fourteen gold background, and I got really excited. And it was a Trent Richardson.

And I think I responded back like, I hate you because it was a card I needed. And it was listed at $79.99 OBO, and I clicked into the offer, and there was already a competing offer. So I was just like, fuck. I got a smashed pin on this. So $80 on a Trent Richardson.

But when you're building this project and the card is a gap and you you need it dude, I remember somebody had this before I got really aggressive with my project, someone had this card or a copy of this card, like, in a story sale for it was, like, 15 or $20, and I was just like, I don't want anything to do with it. But now I I felt obligated. So thank you for sending me, the Trent Richardson. And, yes, people in 2026 are are still paying almost a $100 for Trent Richardson cards. That $80, I feel like if you can get a and there's gotta be some sort of scale of, like, when you move backwards.

Like, those early goals are just harder and harder to find. No. Because for a second, I'm like, do I buy this? Should I just bid this for him? Because I could see someone, you know, buying this and relisting it, holding it over your head or something.

So I'm glad glad you locked down that little two yard Trent card. Yes. Okay. And I actually have I have another one too. Okay.

What else we got? So this happened last night, and I almost blacked it out of my brain because I you know, when you when you've got a three kids, and it's just impossible to be on my card game unless it's in the wee hours of the night, and I'm up when no one else is up. And so somebody had sent me this past weekend a story sale, and I got, like, three messages from people. And I clicked in and all the story sale was gone. And I come to find out that it was the 2013 Prism Reggie Wayne Gold Prism.

Somebody had was headed up for sale for, like, $325, and, of course, it was gone because that's a screaming deal for that card. And so I was so devastated because Reggie Wayne has the 12, the 13, and the 14. That's his Prism Gold Run. And I have the 12 and the 14, but the twenty thirteen is a miss. Now my brother, he had been he he was in the same situation I was a couple years ago, and he just he could not find the 13 until he finally a copy came up on eBay.

I think his is a PSA 10, and he just, like, bit a ridiculous amount to secure it. So I was devastated when this card evaded me. And then last night at 04:01, I get a DM, and it is I'll show you the it is the Reggie Wayne raw copy gold prism, and it is a DM from my good friend Paul at World Combat. He just says, I want your reaction on this card. I finally got a Wayne, though, after missing, I don't know if he wants me to disclose what he he's trying for and he missed, but he missed out on a card.

But he's like, I finally got a Reggie Wayne from my collection. And my response to him was just like, dude, you have to sell me that card. Like, I like, I need that card. I'm missing it. And because Paul's a good brother, he was like, you need this card.

And he was like, dude, just pay me what I paid for it. And I was like, dude, no. Like, I'm like, the fact like, this is such a amazing thing to happen, this card. And so I sprinkled in more on the top, and I couldn't have sent him money faster. But it was I'm so happy now even talking about it.

And I think too, it comes to show, like, it it's a reminder to me that, like, you know, sometimes with collecting and all this stuff, it's like like, that Reggie Wayne gold, like, I value that $20.13 gold so much higher than I do maybe even some of my finites because it's a Reggie Wayne, and I think it's like, that's really important. So this is like I view this as, like, closing of a wing of this chapter, but also such a pivotal one because it can be argued because he's a finalist for the Hall of Fame that he's the best Colts in player in Prism ever. And it would never have happened if I didn't have a relationship with Paul. Like, it would never have happened. And so, like, my moral of the story is it pays to have friends in this hobby, and I just wanna shout out Paul at World Combat for being a good brother and just not, like, trying to rake me over the coals, in fact, trying to give me the card at cost.

And I I just I couldn't in my heart just let him do that. So I I tried to say thank you by giving him more money for the card, but big pickup. Fired up. Yeah. That's awesome.

Yeah. Not only the connection that's important, but also, I think, being vocal about what you're collecting. Like, that's a success story on that front where people know you're collecting Colts Prism Gold, so that they're willing to then, you know, send it to you even though it's something that they might have wanted for their collection. If you were collecting in silence, I think that's harder to be like, hey. I'm a diehard collector of that thing even though I've never mentioned it before.

So that's awesome. Congrats. That's a do you have it in hand yet? Have you No. He's I think he yeah.

He said he was gonna shoot it ship it. That's the other awesome thing about private deals. Dude, I I've I've I've complained about this on Instagram, and I try not to be a complainer. But, dude, I I bought a card, and I'm just I bought a card on another platform. And, dude, I went to check on it.

It was, like oh, fifteen days later, it was still being prepared to ship. And I was like, what the fuck are we doing here? Like, dude, what are we doing here? I bought this card fifteen days ago, and it's it's not it's still preparing to be shipped. What do we got?

Our thumbs up our asses around here? It's like, that pisses me off. And that this is this is like, we're paying buyer's premium. We're paying all these fucking taxes on these cards, and we can't get them shipped at a normal time. Pisses me off.

But this is the benefit of private deals. You buy a card, the card gets sent to you right right away, and it's at your door, like, a day or two later. Yeah. Wow. If you did a personal deal and they're like, alright.

I'm gonna send it to eBay authentication first. I'm like, no. It's never happening. I'll I'll I'll just say this. It it was I'm not complaining about eBay, of course.

I'm I'm not eBay's a phenomenal partner of StackingSlabs. It's it's another platform that won't be mentioned here. On the Trent Richardson front, I just have to read these Jim Earth Day tweets. Oh god. The Colts were getting Trent Richardson because the it became a meme within, like, our fantasy group chat for years to come.

Like, anytime anyone entered trade talks, they would, like, send screenshots of these tweets. But and I'll I'll post these on the account. But there are tweets from Ursi. OMG. The earth is shaking.

Shock and awe is coming very soon. Colts nation, are you sitting down? This day of monster trade, the tidal waves of deal making, shock the systems, didn't see this one coming. Griggs rolling dice. Dude, in all in all caps, so many exclamation points.

Just Ursea on Twitter. All time. All time. I remember being at my first tech job user conference in the hallway. I remember exactly where I was at the JW Marriott when those tweets were happening.

I I I remember it, like, yesterday. And then the like, getting at the time, he was only a year into the league and was a, you know, top three pick. So it felt like it could be massive, but didn't didn't work out. But He he unfortunately did not know how to read blocks. Yeah.

Yeah. I feel like there's that one screenshot of, like, a wide open hole and him just running, which that's always the worst. Screenshot watchers on, like Yes. All 22 film. It's like you it's happening so fast.

There's so many variables, but there there's a legendary Mitch Trabiski one where he's just like it looks like someone's wide open, which they probably were. But, yeah, shout out Ursay. Ursay on Twitter is true truly missed. Alright. Alright.

Well, that's it. Episode 30. Card callout time. We asked to see playoff heroes. There were some very good playoff hero cards, some Super Bowl hero cards.

And this week, we wanna see this is kinda twofold, and we'll give bonus points for creativity. But college stars in the NFL so, like, players who had maybe a better college career, but you have their NFL cards. Let's say that. That's one category of this. So a Tim Tebow, for example, or Johnny Manziel, for example.

Like, electric college career maybe didn't fully pan out in NFL. Peter Wark even comes to mind. Or we can open it up also just to, like, college stars in general. So if you have same kind of person, but they're college cards, send them to the football card pod, tag us, and we will reshare on our story. I, can't wait for this.

And, also, we didn't mention this, but I the national championship, IU Miami should be a fun one. My wife is an IU grad trying to convert me to be a fan in these final days, and I just I I can't do it. I can't wear IU gear. I'm a Notre Dame football fan, but I do hope for IU nation out there, you have it. They they're just beating the brakes off everyone.

And the the if you're a Raiders fan, you know Mendoza's gonna be your quarterback. That that's the fun part about the playoffs. It's like there was debate. Dante Moore or Fernando Mendoza, who's going number one, and then Mendoza just threw five touchdowns on him. And it's, like, inevitable that he's gonna be the number one pick.

So shout out. There's a lot of IE people who listen to this pod and Hoosier Nation. It's been a crazy freaking year, so, congrats to you. Yeah. That's unreal.

And if you're a fan of a football team that's currently bad, just look at that because maybe that could happen to you. Maybe that it could all change in one year. It really can. One off season. Maybe you just need to hire Matt Nagy as your head coach, and that and that's the answer to all your problems.

You never know. Like, it's it's insane how it happens. So, yeah, IU fans enjoy it. Yeah. Good luck in the natty.

And thank you all for listening to the football card podcast. We will see you next week.