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I'm thinking maybe the Football Card podcast could be in the running, or maybe we take this to Broadway and we try to strive for a Tony award for the Football Card Podcast.

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Yeah. Here we go. I think we got a good show for everybody today. To kick it off, Josh Johnson, Cardboard Chronicles, did a bunch of story posts comparing sales of kabooms downtowns to gold prisms of different players.

I found it was pretty interesting. I feel like it stirred up a lot of conversation, so we figured why not tackle it ourselves here on the FCP.

So was one specific stale that he highlighted that I wanted to maybe break down here was of Reggie Wayne, a player you are quite fond of.

He pointed out that a 2014 TOPSCHROM Superfractor Reggie Wayne, sold for a thousand dollars in February, and then a 2023 downtown black Pandora out of 25 PSA nine sold for $11.

50 just a couple months after. So kinda have this playing day Superfractor one zero one selling for less than a non playing days downtown, Black Pandora at 25.

So just kinda wanted to hear your take, and let's get into it. Yeah. So let me pull up these cards on the screen. So there for the Patreon members is the twenty fourteen Topps Chrome Superfractor, which is just an incredible card.

Reggie the shot is Reggie just brushing off a tackle from a Broncos defender. Likely, I I'd love to look I need to go look this up and see exactly what the play is.

It's one of those cards, but just a stunner of a card. Then I toggle over to the downtown black Pandora, and it's Reggie Wayne doing his iconic, snapping of his fingers touchdown celebration.

John, we won't talk too much about that because I don't wanna open up any sore wounds for you. But see the logo. I already see the logo on the bottom right.

Oh, those logo. Hey. I've got one I've got one of those logos too. It just, like, turns me to stone when I see it. But, yeah, I think, first of all, Josh, I appreciate you coming at it on Instagram and all of this comparative analysis.

And, also, like, Josh spent the time to promote the Football Card podcast to his audience as this is a podcast he enjoys, so we appreciate that, Josh.

For me, yeah, it seems like insanity, especially if you put these up, all the if you create the chart, all of the, boxes, and you're saying playing days versus nonplaying days, super fractured, like, rare, scarce, all these things.

Like, no. It doesn't make sense to anyone, but I think we are in a hobby that doesn't make sense most of the time.

And so the way I see this and, the way I'm tracking it is that there is very much so two different markets at play with these purchases.

And I think the easiest thing to do is just to say, oh, this black Pandora card is more valuable and is worth more than the super factor.

But I think that is the the case, and that is the way to a specific audience. And because the audience of that card is likely different than the audience of the super factor, it makes for kinda different market conditions and dynamics.

When I I think the most glaring thing in terms of the downtown of it all is just what what's happening on the front end of the hobby right now is and very much so in impacts football cards and football card sales is there is this run-in this desire.

I honestly can't wait to see this in action at the national.

But these Panini case hits, whether it's the kabooms, whether it's the downtowns, with the playing days, none of it matters because repackers are repacking. They're they're going out. They're packing heat.

They're going to these shows. They're buying online, and they just can't get enough of these. They can't get enough of these cards because they are the cards that they want in their repacks. They're being promised in their repacks.

And so the dollar value to them on this paying this doesn't really matter as much as getting that inventory in and making sure that they are able to satisfy the downtown requirement on their latest repack.

I don't think granted, I don't know much about the repacking community and what's happening in that scene outside of prices of case hits are going up.

I I just I can imagine that someone's buying the this car, the 2014 Topps Chrome Super Factory Reggie Wayne and sticking this in a repack, it just it wouldn't may maybe if they are, maybe I should be a repack buyer, but that's not the impression I get.

So I think it's kind of one of those instances where it's just like all demand for these cards isn't created equally. So that's what I see on this. Yes. It's absolutely ridiculous.

I would love to have the super factor. I have no interest in any downtown, especially a downtown out of 25. It just does nothing for me personally as a collector. What about you, Pack? What do you what's your kinda take on this example?

Yeah. I mean, I I feel like you and I and probably most people listening agree the super factor is the cooler, more should be more valuable card, but I was more thinking, let me look at this, like, straight up.

Like, why and, like, why is it happening?

And, like, go down that rabbit hole. And I think it kinda led me back to something I mentioned on the, I think the first episode when we were talking about o five, o six finest gold x factors and how they haven't maybe had a moment.

And I'd said something about card transaction frequency can greatly influence value. And I think that's just what we're seeing with kabooms, downtowns, color blast, like, all those case hits.

Like, it's so liquid. It's like the closest thing that we have to a stock or crypto in the hobby are these cards that transact all the time that you're constantly seeing comps for.

They're constantly moving hands. It's just like a common currency. You can find a buyer immediately for those cards. And it's like you said, there's just another side of the hobby.

There's a segment of the hobby that's built on kids buying and selling downtowns trying to make money, and, like, that is what it is. Whatever. Like, more prestolens cards for me. I'm fine with that.

But I think what sucks is that it's that is probably the main entry point for new people into the hobby at the moment. Like, I feel like, the repacks are way more common and advanced now than it was, like, five years ago.

Like, five years ago I remember I bought a repack. I bought a repack once. I watched I was watching Pac Man breaks. I loved watching Pac Man. That was, like, the first one of the first card content things that I found on YouTube.

I'm just watching them rip boxes. We ripped open a repack and got sick cards. I was like, oh, cool. I'm gonna try that. And I bought one, and I got two shitty Prism Base, like, PSA dines that were worthless.

I was like, well, that's terrible. I never wanna do that again. But it was like it felt like a very it just wasn't as, evolved as it is now with, like, the streams and whatnot and all those platforms.

So, like, I get that that is a point of entry for people. Like, trying to make money in the hobby is, like, a part of an appeal, I think, for everybody.

Like, even when I got back in, I wasn't a 100%. Like, I'm in it to collect. Part of it was like, oh, like, I really love cards and, like, sports.

Like and the fact that this is somewhat of an investment, like, was an appeal to it. So, like, I I can't say that the money side of it was, like, never a thought when we're, you know, spending real money on these cards.

But I think what feels like it's missing is, like, on fanatics and the whatnot front is, like, getting then people to stay as collectors.

Yes. Because what we're seeing with, like, the downtowns and kabooms, like, we've seen this before.

We saw Prism Base. We've seen there's multiple iterations of this, and, hopefully, you know, people don't get burned too badly, and they want to stay in the hobby.

And if they do, guess what? Now they know who Reggie Wayne is because of that set, and they're gonna come for your 2014 prism gold.

So I think I think we'll be okay. Yeah. I think you called it out, and maybe just a point of emphasis is, I spend way too much time analyzing collector behavior, market trends, what's happening in the industry, all of the things.

And the biggest gap right now in this entire industry is the lack of focus and the lack of programs around education and educating collectors on the history of the hobby.

It's all about when you search on something, go to Google, go to YouTube, and you're fed videos. You're fed all these pieces of content at shows, different things, which I watch this stuff.

And that's part of the reason why I feel like I have some, frame of reference to to communicate to on this, but it it's all about, like, the the hot potato of it all with these case hits.

And there's there this exists, but it's the minority, and it's just people talking about cards that rule sets, products, why it matters, why this sit set did this, why this player did that, the things you look for in a card, what makes things collectible, the community around different cards in areas.

Like, it's just no one at the no one at the top end is pushing that, and that's going to be the biggest problem in this era of the hobby.

Because there are too many of these case hits, and they're all being passed around, and that never ends well.

We've seen it as all of these bubbles continue to to to burst. And when you have an a a a large chunk of your audience that is just here for the cash and not here for the cards.

They might be here for the cards, but no one's educating them on the why behind that. I think it just leads to, you're on the trouble train going, nowhere fast.

So I think in almost in every piece of content I get into when I talk about, like, industry, I highlight we need more education, and I think this example is a, case study on that.

Yeah. And I was even thinking of, like, collector incentives almost. Like, there's nothing like that. And I I don't know if this is an answer, but even thinking of something like the tops now or the Panini instant or whatever.

Right? Like, they're pushing those very heavily, and the whole thing is that you might get the one of one if you buy a shit ton of these base ones.

But guess what? They're gonna sell 300,000 of them, and most people are getting the base. And it maybe it'd be cool if they'd started doing things like, hey.

If you put together the whole 2023 downtown set, you could redeem it for some sort of special card. Like or if you collect a 100 of these tops now cards, can you turn it into something?

Like, maybe there's some way that these, you know, bigger hobby brands can do something that encourages kids to collect stuff instead of just flipping it.

Like, I bet that Reggie Wayne card is on his fourth owner since it's sold. Like, I bet At least. It's just moving.

It's just like a cycle of these repackers keeping prices high just to keep, like, break entry points high, and then they're paying good, you know, percentages of comps so so they can buy these downtowns back from someone who just hit it in a break, and they're making a margin there somehow.

But I don't know. It's just a bad cycle. And then so I downloaded whatnot yesterday because I'm like, I need to see I need to see what's going on.

What's happening now? What is happening there? What it it's I don't like it. Like, it's it's not for me. Did you had what did you have the volume turned up or down?

I had the volume it went down and eventually muted. So so the first room I jumped into was, like, a host, and judging by his voice, I don't wanna say child, but a youthful spirit.

And, he has just, like, stacks and stacks of cards in one touches, that he was describing as nukes. Nukes everywhere. They're all. And, he just, like he put a card up, and it's a ten second auction.

Like, you see the card, and he starts a ten second auction, and it's him just being like, oh my god. This is a steal. Jamar Chase silver prism horizontal mem card. Like, guys, this is crazy.

And it like, you have ten seconds. You can't really check anything, and it bids up, and it sells for $32. Just like What? Prism, silver, horizontal, Jamar Chase with, like, a, you know, piece of cloth not from anything.

And then I look on eBay, and the last sale is, like, $12. There's, like, $15. 20 dollar OBOs all over the place. And it's purely this just hype driven, like I don't know what people are getting out of it.

I don't know what the winner of that card is then doing because it's gotta get shipped to them. By the time they get it, they've lost $30. So it I I don't understand what's going on there.

And and then I went into another room that was, like, a repack repack land where they had 51 of their different repacks, like, their galaxy repacks or, like, the galaxy gold repacks that, like, you know, you're getting one card for $300, and it's the floor is $50 and the ceiling is $3,000 or whatever they have on there.

And so it'd be a break where they're opening 51 of these repacks, but they they auction off, like, a random team slot.

So you go in there and, like, people are bidding, and whoever wins the auction, they spin the wheel, whatever team lands, like, you just bought that team.

But all it was was these two hosts, like, trying to fill the break, and they're just berating the audience.

Like, come on, guys. Bid more. Like, these are going for so cheap and, like, making you feel bad for not spending money. And I don't know. I was like, who's enjoying this environment or atmosphere?

But there were, like, 600 people on the stream just, like, bidding up spots to hopefully maybe hit an uptown or a downtown in this break that then they, I think, just turn around and sell right away.

So I don't know. It wasn't it's it's not for me. Yeah. Have you ever dabbled? Have you ever looked at whatnot?

I think I opened it one time and instantly was like this this it was out of curiosity because it was such a topic of conversation, but instantly you know, when you know, like, you're in the wrong room or you're it just it's not for you.

Like, I like, online, I eventually I was like, Homer Simpson, like, my way out of it.

I was like, I I I can't do the I think, like, what's the competing things here is, like, the collecting and wanting the cards over cash versus, like, the the the gambling component.

And I just, like, as as long and I'll say this. Like, I am no saint. Like, I enjoy in my free time a little bit of gambling, and maybe that's a game a week where I'll be watching a game full attention.

I'll be like, you know what? Let me sprinkle a little, you know, $15 parlay on this, make it a little interesting. And, you know, maybe, like, once a week, maybe twice, everything in moderation. I think that's fine.

The problem is is you've got the FanDuels, the DraftKings, the the all of those are in all of our faces in everything we watch all of the time, especially if you're watching sports. And so, like, that culture is infiltrated.

The hobby infiltrated collecting, and it's only sinking its teeth deeper and deeper. And, yeah, it's not gonna stop, and that kind of is like gasoline on the fire for whatever's happening on whatnot.

And if you are listening to this and you love whatnot and you love buying into this stuff, like, I get it, like, that there's a massive audience there.

But I just think, ultimately, when you have pressure pressure to win big, pressure on content and people saying this is what you should be doing, lack of education on cards, this competitiveness, $5 here, $10 there, $50 there to a $100 there.

Like, it continues to snowball and spiral. And I'm not sure, like, any of it really does anything for the long term health of the hobby because most of those people end up eventually having a shitty experience and, like, you know what?

I lost a ton of money. I'm out. So yeah. It's in it is insane how common gambling is now.

Like, you think back fifteen years ago, like, SportsCenter, ESPN, like, announcers would never touch the topic. Like, it was the most taboo thing to talk about sports betting on a public platform.

And now any game you watch, you're getting multiple gambling app commercials. You're they're talking about spreads and prop bets during the pregame show. Like, it is fully ingrained in our sports society now. And so yeah.

Like and I think if I were if I were probably 15, 16 years, like or just turning 18, like, the second you could get those apps, I can totally see how you want to, like, go down that route the way it's so gamified. Like, I don't know.

And it makes sense then that it's they're doing it with cards, but it just, yeah, it sucks that that is the focal point for of entry for people getting exposure to cards is this whole thing that they might end up get burned on, and they might then just walk away completely.

Yep. Totally totally agree. I'm sure we'll be talking more about this throughout the history of the show at some level, but I'm glad that can of worms has been opened. And, congratulations on making it through a couple, whatnot streams.

I mean, I I was like, someone needs to do a whole audit here. Like, they're like, what is going on? Like, I was looking at the like, some of those repacks were, like, thousand dollars.

It was a thousand dollars, and, like, it would blatantly in there say, like, the floor is $200. Jeez. And that and then you don't like, there's no literature on how many there are, what the Chase cards are.

Like, what are these Chase cards that you're saying the ceiling is $10,000? Like, there's no checklist or okay. We've sold 500. That means there's only 300 left, and the car is still the the Chase card's still at play.

Like, there's nothing like that. You're just blindly paying a thousand dollars for a vacuum sealed baggie that probably has a junk slab in it. Why doesn't anyone talk about the fact that you don't we don't know these people.

You don't you might think you know these people. You don't know these people. They're there for the money, and they're just putting these cards in these bags.

It's like it blows my mind. It's like buying a hobby box is one thing. Right? There's Yes. Gambling, but at least the manufacturer is responsible for the allocation of products in those packs.

Who knows what's going on with these operations? It's just I can't believe people would spend a thousand dollars on that, but, again, it's not my lane. And, also, I can't imagine the the roulette wheel landing.

I spent a thousand bucks and it landing on, like, the New England Patriots. I'm like, what? I'm sitting here like, oh, but Drake May. It's like, I don't give a shit about Drake May, man.

I want the Colts card. So it's just not it's not for me. It's not my my lane at all. Yeah. And you just like, those are all businesses, and a goal of a business is to generate revenue.

And so do you really think that they're putting these amazing like, they're putting their card equity out there into the roulette wheel for you to get? It's like, no.

You're getting scraps. You're getting junk. Like, there's nothing in no one I've never heard, like, a repack success story of someone being like, holy shit. I got a 52 mantle from a $50 spot. Like, no. It doesn't doesn't happen.

Dude, they they they are Scar, and you are the hyenas, and you're being fed to the elephant graveyard. Go pick up the scraps. That's what you're getting for dinner while Scar is out in his castle getting all the last food.

That's that's what it is. I'm drawing a lion king analogy here. Yeah. But they're nukes. He's got stacks of nukes. I just wanna go to Pride Rock, man. Oh, yeah.

I just wanted to get in the comments so bad. Like, it was, like, prism, orange laser, Jaden Daniels. Like, you guys, you have no idea. You gotta get it now. You gotta get it now. Like, they're screaming at you, and I don't know.

Terrible. Not very not not what is it? Like, amateur hour Don West? Yeah. Junior varsity? Some of them, like, I'm not even seeing the person's face. I'm just seeing hands. Another part of, like, these people aren't your friends.

They're not here to serve you. I'm just seeing grubby little kid fingers, like, trying to peddle me some of the silvers. It's like Cheetos, flaming hot Cheetos on those fingertips? Yeah. It's, it's bad.

Let's move on. Yes, please. So I was listening to you had a solo pod, I think last week talking about leverage and just deals. And so, again, as national is kind of approaching, do you have any negotiating tips for in person deals?

So I I have some thoughts. I will I will, like, put the disclaimer. This isn't my comfort zone. It's not what I normally do. I'm not a weekend warrior at shows. I got kids, man.

I'm I'm home, so I don't get to apply this too often. But I just thought about what, from an online perspective, might translate to in person, and I have three things. I the the first thing is if you can always let them talk first.

The more you let people talk, the more they will show your hand. Like, we in these situations wanna, like, counter and we wanna share our perspective, but to me, that always opens up yourself and it makes you a little more vulnerable.

And so if you just let the individual, whatever side you're on, do more talking through that, you're gonna get some discovery and learn a little bit from them.

So that's one. I would also say kind of anchoring down on logic and not emotion, which can be really hard, especially if it's a card that you need for a set or is a favorite player or favorite team, something you've been chasing.

But I think it's always important.

Like, we've got card ladder, the official data provider of the Football Card podcast. Used card ladder, get the facts, pops, latest sales, comps, and make sure you anchor on that and not just, like, emotion.

And then, also, like, probably the most important and the hardest especially in person is just knowing when to walk away. When you're at the national, there's a lot of, endorphins going up, a lot of stimulation.

Maybe you've walked around for three, four, five hours not seeing anything. You finally see a card, you're in a negotiation, and maybe the card is 500, $600 more than you wanna pay.

If it's not a card that you can get again, I understand paying up. I pay up all the time. I'm a very strong buyer of sports cards, especially when it's something I need.

But if it's a card you're gonna get down the road, like, just just walk away, especially if the, seller isn't budging. So that's those are kinda my pieces of feedback. What about you? Those those are all very great.

My main thing is just, like, clearly getting aligned on where you both parties value cards, like, all the pieces of a a deal or a trade. I feel like it's easy to not, like, settle on a price as all the parts are moving.

Like, you know, they'll be like, where are you at on this? And you may say, 500, and they kind of don't give an answer because then they start looking at top, you know, comps.

And then they ask about another one. And and same thing. You're asking, and you're both doing calculations in your heads. And then all of a sudden, it can be like, alright. What about these three for those two? Or plus cash.

Like, you know, something can get offered, and then you're you're kinda going down the getting a deal done path without having clearly defined, like, alright. Part one is worth 500. Part two is worth 4. We think part three is worth 3.

You know? Like, I early on remember doing a trade where, like, it seemed pretty straightforward, and then other cards got added in. There weren't, you know, clear definitions going on, and, like, I agreed to a trade.

I was like, oh, yeah. I think that works. And then I later was doing the calculations in my head. I'm like, wait. I just I trade away six cards to get one card.

Like, I'm just pumped about the fact that I was, like, trading up, but then doing the math. I'm like, wait. I think I way over over I gave that guy more than I should have, and it was just a lesson learned of alright.

I needed to, like before the hands shook, just be like, alright. This is the value of here, here, and here. So that that's my main one. I love it. One those are very, very good callouts.

One thing that got you were talking got me thinking that maybe will be the punctuation point on this for me is there you're gonna be in the situation if you're going to the national where if you bring cards, people are gonna say, let me look at your cards.

And you might have cards in that box that aren't for sale.

And someone's flipping through the cards and someone says, how much do you want for this card? And if if that card is not for sale, like, don't get bullied into putting a price on it.

You make sure they offer you. This happened to me online with a card yesterday. I had no intention of selling. And the individual kept asking me, kept saying, well, if you were to sell, what price would you put on it?

I go, dude, it's not for sale. Like, there is I'm not giving you any ballpark on anything. If you would like to make an offer on this card, I'll listen to it.

But no. Especially if the individual wants a card that you have that's not for sale. Whatever you do, don't put a price on it. Make them offer first. And likely, they might lowball you and you say, no. No. Thank you.

It's not for sale, but don't give up that leverage in that situation. Yeah. The the pressure is a real thing both on the, like, people looking through your cards and then, like, the pressure to want to buy something at the national.

Like like you were saying, the ability to walk away is powerful. Yeah. Like, you you could be in a situation where you think you're overpaying, but part of you is like, well, I'm at the national.

I should get some card. And, you know, and, like, you end up buying something that a month later, you don't even want anymore. So definitely just if it doesn't feel right, just bounce. Yes. Yeah. Next up, collecting updates.

And do you wanna take this one first? No. You you go you go for it. Okay. Because speak speaking of walking away from a deal, I don't have a purchase from this past week, but I do have a a deal that did not go through.

I think there could be lessons in here, but I had a close encounter. I'll kinda be vague in case, you know, they're out there listening to the fastest growing football card podcast in the world, but you know who you are.

But a card I wanted got listed on eBay, $500 OBO. Mind you, the last comp on this card was $20 one year ago. So 500 is outrageous asking price.

But, like, the way the market's gone, demand for these kinds of cards, gold prisms, I do think there's I I understand there's an increase in price there. And I was thinking like, alright. This probably may be worth a $100.

I'm gonna offer a 150 because I'm a sicko, and I just wanna get this deal done and get the card. So I offer $1. 50, and then I also, like, check the seller to see if they're on Instagram because trying to get off eBay if possible.

Thankfully, this series isn't sponsored by by you guys. But, after, like, twenty minutes after I sent my offer, I get a new follower on IG, and it's like the person they found me.

I'm like, this is great. Like, everything's gonna work out perfectly. They asked if I'd be interested in doing a deal on Instagram.

I said, yes. And I go, how about a $170 shift? Like, boom. This should be signed, sealed, and delivered. You are getting a $150 profit on this $20 card you got a year ago. And they just countered with I would be at $1.

90 shift. Just like, no salutations, no pleasantries, just like, nope. It's a 190. Like, 20 extra dollars. And, oh, and then he also said, that let me know soon. I have another person Naturally. Who inquired first.

It's like, of course, all these people, you know, throw on a $170 offers for a $50 card. And I just said no. I was like, oh, at that price, can't do it and just walked it. Like, if you have another buyer, go, like, go for it.

It the whole interaction like, it made me not even want the card anymore. I was like, yeah. No. There's, like, a a stain on it. Like, I just gotta move on. So I'm curious. Have have you ever walked off on a deal out of pride?

100%. And it it it mostly comes down to if I don't like the person. If I don't like the person, I don't wanna give you money, and I don't want you to feel like you can do that to me again or anyone else.

And the best is when you have that self confidence of walking away, and then maybe twelve hours later, they come back to you and say, you know what?

Like, the other buyer went away, and I'll actually sell it to you for your price now. And then you just say, no. Thanks. Like, that's happened, and that's the best.

And so I don't know. I just think there's some decency. I I will not play into the greed of another seller. I I can't there's so much greed in this hobby, and I don't support greedy people, at all.

I we all are here, you know, to collect cards and, you know, maybe make some money off those cards, but, like, trying to put one over and being unreasonable.

No. Thank you. So that can definitely help. I will look at a card differently if I'm going through that scenario with someone.

Yeah. The worst part is this person, when they followed me, they went through the feed and liked multiple cards that I had posted of that player, like, signaling, like, I know you're interested in this play.

Like, almost to say, like, you need this card. Like and to me, it's like, no, pal. I don't need it the way you think I do. I'm in this for the long run. Like, that card will pop up again, and, like, good luck out there.

The theater behind it. Unreal. Yeah. What about you? Any, any pickups over the past week? Yeah. So I had one that I'm not, ready to talk about. Happened yesterday. It is a collection altering card.

So, this is what you call a teaser in the when you've got the hottest trending podcast in the country about football cards, you you you have to tease the audience to come back and tell their friends so more people.

So had a massive deal, go down yesterday. Do not have the card in hand.

Won't have it for a while. The, will let's see here. Maybe this is a 15 to 20 card into one card scenario. Opportunity presented itself, could not say no. And so there was one point of me saying, could you do this on the price?

And the individual said, nope. This is the price. And it was a I respect that. I just had to try. Everyone knew what what the car everyone knew my desire. Everyone knew the importance, all the things.

It was just but it was very straightforward. I got the deal done. And on a future episode, when I get the card in hand, I will share it with everybody. Wow. Is it, Reggie Wayne downtown one of one?

The the the no. It's the black Pandora. Yeah. Oh, PSA 10. Yeah. PSA 10. If it ain't PSA, don't come around our way. Wow. Well, I I need to know what this card is. I can't wait to to hear about it.

Had has the transaction been finalized? Like, is card being shipped, or are you in process of the consolidation? The it is, this was a card that was funded by my good friend Nick at the War of Sports Cards.

So that were that is the transaction has just taken place. I will also say I'm fast. My my my cards are already en route. So the I'm I try to get the process going as as quick as possible. Nice. Well, I can't wait to hear about that.

NFL check-in. You got something for me here? Yeah. So we it's like the the days are still much going on right now. So instead of talking football, I figured let's use this to talk about a football card.

And I want I'm gonna you don't know that what card I'm going to talk about, and I feel like it'd be fun for us to maybe dig in and me ask you some questions.

And so the first question I have for you, and you're gonna try to identify this card, and then we're gonna get into some data.

If there was a Mount Rushmore football card since 2012, what card do you think would sit in the George Washington spot? And and and you could take it forever you ever way you want.

Like, what card in your mind? I'm curious on that. Maybe you'll get it. Hit the card, may maybe not. There's a million options, but that's maybe the that this card would probably sit on that.

And and don't think of, like, maybe the rarest or the scarcest, but just this era of cards. Like, what is that card? Since 2012, you said? Yes. And so, like, a brand? Because he have brand I would I'm looking for a brand and a player.

Oh, A specific card. Oh, man. I mean, 2012 Brady Prizm is up there as just, like, a look of a card. This is weird. This is getting into that, like, most iconic conversation that I don't like.

No one yeah. Bye bye. But then it's like you think of, like, Mahomes, RPAs, like, NTs. You got the player. Right? Mahomes? Yes. Or then his Prism? Yes. Yeah. Twenty seventeen.

That is the card. And the the so I wanted to, like, spend a second on this card, and I'm actually gonna, before I pull it up here on the screen. I I was just looking through sales data, and I saw one of these cards sell.

And I just it it peaked my curiosity. I wanted to look at the data behind this card. How many how many transactions of this card do you think has happened online since January 1?

Of just any parallel of that card? Yeah. Just any any copy of of the 2017 Prism Mahomes, Prism. I I have no I feel like the silvers and the base probably don't even have crazy high pops just from the year, but I don't know.

Probably a few 100. 341 have sold online. How many, what what do you think the population is on a PSA 10? Of a base?

Yeah. Of the of the the which the the silver is the base. Oh, silver is the base? See. I mean In 2017. In 2017, there's no non silver. All the rookies were silver. Interesting. Pop, PSA 10, let's say, a 117. This $9. 09 75. Damn.

Okay. Okay. So make sense if there's no like, there's a that's pretty high. Right? I I have a comparison point, and this is kind of where I'm I'm leading leading us to. So then the highest sale of this card this year was for $6,400.

That is not what the last sale is, what it's currently selling for. What do you think this card is currently selling for right now? $4. Very, very $4,088 and pulling up the screw pulling it up on the screen here right now.

The the reason why I I just wanted to get your perspective on this. You've got 975 copies. It's selling for $4 right now. If you look at the 2,000 Bowman Brady, there is 1,222 PSA tens, and this card sells for $7,671.

I think I have it here. Yep. Here's the population of this. You have, yeah, twelve twenty two tens, selling for $76. So I think it's just interesting.

We'd spend so much time talking about rare and scarce football cards, but when we're talking about, like, this iconic cards, like, should collectors or anyone who's buying the Mahomes, it's around the same population count, although there's definitely more opportunities probably in the Mahomes to get a PSA 10 than the Brady.

I could be wrong in that. But would you if you are owner of this card, would you look at the Brady as, like, this this potentially is the ceiling for this card or not?

Like, how do you analyze those two players, obviously, leaders in their respective eras, cards similar, pop count?

Like, how do you kinda analyze the data behind these two cards? I think it's a good reference point if you are an owner of this Mahone's card to look at Brady and kind of compare and contrast.

I think part of the Mahones I would consider is that there's more to be that that pop is more likely to grow than the Brady, I would guess.

That would send me down a rabbit hole of, like, how much sealed 2017 is even available, and is it cheap, you know, affordable or just I don't know.

Kind of looking into then inventory on a box front, which is so hard to do. Like, you know, you can look on eBay, but who knows how many things are just stashed away.

Yeah. I mean, I think I would also then want to know just the silver prism values of all the contemporary quarterbacks. And then even, like, Manning, like, what's his tops chrome? You know?

I I would gather a wide net of kind of, like, if I were looking to buy one of these cards, I'd wanna see as much as I can of different players to kinda inform if $4 is what I wanna spend on this. So if these are very low pop, though.

Right? The the 8 this is why it's hard because you go to $20. 18 a year later, the silvers are less produced. And here's the Josh Allen selling for more than the Mahomes, 5,900, but it's a population 26.

So I there's Crazy. All of those different dynamics at play where if you just look at the surface, be like, someone would be like, why is the Allen sell for more?

But you gotta kinda dig in, and it year over year, it just varies. Yeah. That's that's an interesting one. But, yeah. That's a there's something there. Twenty eighteen silvers. Or Oh, yeah.

I think they were I can't remember if it was it the it was low. The distribution per, like, case was super low, and I'm not quite sure why they decided to do that this year, but it makes 2018 a little more intriguing to me knowing that.

Yeah. No. I like that. Alright. Yeah. So that yeah. It was a little experimental, segment there. Thought Thought it would be a little fun, but maybe we I know we've got some bangers that sold this week to talk about.

Yeah. Let's just get into that market watch. So to lead off a player that was touched on in a previous episode, Brandon Marshall, 2006 finest super fracture, was listed at 5,000, and someone purchased it for $3,500.

My question I'm curious as a I'm bears biased. But, like, when you think of Brandon Marshall, what team do you picture?

Is it Broncos because of the, you know, record setting catch game against the Colts? I feel like Chicago, he had his first team all pro, his best season, but then he still you know, he had a great year with the Jets, Dolphins.

Just kinda curious where when you close your eyes, where do you see Brandon Marshall? I'll answer your question. First, I wanna comment on the card.

These o six Superfractors are just in I love them because they're so unique. Red background with the swirls, goal goal post at the bottom, ingrained in gold, perforated edges. Just a stunner of a card. These things are so unique.

I love it. Great card. Rookie card. When I I I think, like, when I think and I don't have the stats in front of me, but when I think of Brandon Marshall in terms of, like like, his best era, I it's probably as a Chicago bear.

However, I was sitting in the stadium when he broke the record that day on the Broncos, and, dude, it was, like, slant after slant. It it was, like, the most, like, I can't be stopped performance of all time.

Like, I'm I couldn't believe it. It was like they were, like, running back dives that were just, like instead of, like, the dive, it was just like, well, let's just throw it to Marshall because no one can guard him.

And it was, like, literally one of the most insane football performances that I have ever seen live.

So that, like, moment is, like, burned into my brain, but I think, like, he'll be remembered as a bear because I feel like he was the most productive as a bear.

But, yeah, Brandon Marshall becoming, maybe football card pod hall of fame, two mentions in a row.

I know. I I hope it's not because of our influence that these cards are selling. I'm gonna start talking about cards I don't like. Yes. Let's do that. Good. Good. But I have a quick blind stat for you. Alright.

12,351 career receiving yards, 83 touchdowns, 11,619 career receiving yards, 83 touchdowns. Who are the players? Any player? Yeah. Any two two receivers. One had 12,351 yards. One had 11,619 yards. Both had 83 career touchdowns.

Is one of them Brandon Marshall? One of them is Brandon Marshall. Okay. The next player is probably a player that is, like, very well received and maybe potentially is in the hall of fame, but it's amazing.

Marshall is as close to him. Is that kind of the track? That's yep. Good hunch. Can I get a can I get one hint on, era? Overlapping era. Overlapping era. Not the same rookie year, but they they're contemporaries. It's not.

It's it's not Calvin Johnson, is it? Yeah. It's Megatron. And Marshall has more receiving yards. He played more games. Like, Calvin only had the the nine seasons, but Yeah. Yeah. Brandon Marshall had sitting there at 12,000 yards.

Brandon Marshall was so good. Like, he he was if if a player with the profile of Brandon Marshall was available in the NFL draft like this upcoming season, like, teams would be just doing whatever they could to get their hands on him.

Like, I feel like he was one of those players that doesn't get enough appreciation for how good he really was.

He was so good and, like, through a shitty quarterback carousel Yes. Career. Like, he had a good year with Jay in Denver or a good couple years, but then Jay went to Chicago.

He stayed on Denver with, I think, Kyle Orton or because he was part of the trade, and then was in Miami for two years before getting the back with Jay in Chicago, but then Cutler had, you know, injuries and just a dysfunctional, set of quarterbacks.

Kinda reminds me of, like, a Steve Smith where, like, unreal numbers, but just always just kind of a revolving door of quarterbacks.

That's gotta be so annoying if you're a receiver, and then you watch, like, Tyreek Hill go to the chiefs and just get to be Patrick Mahomes guy or I that's not even a good example because he left.

But, you know, being like Chase and Burrow, like, wow. I just got my guy for my career, and I'm gonna be awesome, versus It it helps get you paid.

That's for sure. Yeah. That that but that's a crazy sale. O six finest honestly, o five and o six finest super fractals aren't my favorite compared to Yeah. 2010, 2011, like, finest like, the it's too much red.

I like my o five finest with a dash of red. I don't need the the whole background. And, also, I had never put together that that's supposed to be a goalpost at the bottom of the card.

Oh, yeah. Goalpost, baby. I never I have so many of these cards. I look at these cards all the time, and that never crossed my mind. Yeah. There you go. Cool card, nonetheless.

Cool card. Next up, I saw a Jordy Nelson twenty fifteen gold prism PSA nine sell for $898. I I don't know if you've noticed this, but I've seen a lot of Jordy sales lately and a lot of Jordy Gold Prisms hitting the market.

I just have, like, saved searches for every year of gold prisms. So I've seen a bunch of these pop up, different years. $900 for this, it seems so high for, a receiver like Jordy.

I know he's really good, and he had some great years, but that's just high price. And seeing all these sales, what jumped out to me mainly is it's just a sign of Packers fans or bad fans.

No one's actually collecting. They're just flipping these cards, trading them, through. So that's kinda my takeaway, but curious what you think about the sale. Yeah. So it's a pop two on the nine, none higher. Just looked at that.

I think Jordy Nelson is a beloved player and with a very strong, collector base team collector base. He's one of those players that continues to get brought up in conversation because Packer fans love him, love to collect his cards.

Similar, like, adjacent same era is TY Hilton with the Colts. It's just like these guys aren't going to be hall of famers, but they're beloved, amongst their fan bases.

And people are, I know I have paid very strong for TY Hilton cards. And every time I see a big Jordy Jordy sale, I I that's, like, the point of con comparison in my mind. I just have so many, like, PTSD moments of Jordy just Sure.

Running a post wide open as Aaron Rodgers hits him for a 70 yard touchdown. He just he terrorized the Bears. Yeah. He was a pretty good football player. Caught a lot of passes, pretty good in fantasy.

Yep. Yep. I wanted to bring these two examples. So they're a cracked ice contender, same year going back to 2018, where you've got the variation, Josh Allen in a, rookie ticket, cracked ice auto out of '24.

The variation, BGS95Auto10 selling for $20 on July 5, fireworks around that sale. And then you go and you've got the Lamar, which is not the variation. It's the true.

Same set, same parallel, 20, 2018 contenders cracked ice rookie ticket out of 24, selling for $10. So the Josh Allen is double in a variation. The Josh Allen is double the price of Lamar Jackson, which is very, very interesting.

I think these two players forever will be tied together. You've got Jackson with two MVPs. You got Allen with one. They're both the two players that are if the story is who's gonna win one, are they gonna win one?

They're both chasing to win their first. And I just find it interesting. I think these two sales are an example of, like, collectibility and, like, why is it Josh Allen selling for double that Lamar Jackson price?

And is it the Bills fan stronger collector base? I it's just all of these questions I have in my mind. I just think the delta between those two sales is is crazy, but, you know, cards are very irrational at times.

But yeah. What do you what do you think about those two sales? This kinda goes against my theory of, like, highlights drive collectibility too because Lamar, I would say, has Yes.

More highlights. Like, his Houdini spin move against the Bengals, like, that touchdown run is one of my, like, the sickest plays I've ever seen in my life. But Josh Allen is also so fun to watch too.

Yes. Yes. He is. And he, I mean, he has his share of highlights too. I think what it kind of, to me, what where my mind went is just playoffs. Like Yeah. Allen's numbers in the playoffs, 25 touchdowns, four picks.

Lamar, 10 touchdowns, seven picks. Like, Lamar has not performed well in the playoffs. Like, it it just he hasn't bay based on his, like, compared to his regular season numbers and performances. And I think that sticks with people.

I think, like, I'm not watching every Ravens game. I'm not watching every Bills game. So, like, when I do get to see these players, a lot of times, it's in the playoffs. I mean, you know, Monday night games here and there.

But, I just think playoff performance sticks with people and might be a factor here. I also think, like, everyone was rooting for Josh Allen in that, like, Chiefs game. The like, he's had, like, more heartbreaking moments.

I know Lamar just had a heartbreaking one with the Mark Andrews drop last year. Oh god. But, like, I don't know. There's something in like, I love, I like Josh Allen more than than Lamar just from a person like, I don't know.

I wanna see Josh Allen when he reminds me of Peyton in the way that he's, like, right there getting beat by Mahomes, the Brady of it all. I'd love to see Lamar win too.

I don't know. They're both Yeah. Quick. The the difference and at this point, then you're just, like, splitting hairs on why they're different because, like, Lamar's regular season numbers are unreal, and he's got the MVPs.

Should've probably won MVP last year. But, yeah, I don't know. Either I'd I'm ready for either of them to dethrone Mahomes.

So I I I love watching both of them. I think both of them are at the top of the league in terms of best players. Both incredible. I for me, Josh Allen is my favorite player to watch in the league, and it's a combination.

You mentioned his name, Peyton, but it's the I think Allen's going into this year, and this is the year Manning want it in terms of, like, number of years.

So if Allen wins it this year, it'll be the same time it took Peyton to win his first. So there's that element. And then when I watch Allen, no other players reminded me more of Andrew Luck than Josh Allen and watching him.

Yeah. Captain chaos. Like, it's just like, I'm gonna run. I'm gonna just laser rock an arm. I'm gonna do all these things. So it's a combination of those two components that makes Josh Allen a very captivating individual.

And Lamar Jackson is a captivating individual himself. Like, he represents himself. Like, he bet on himself, all these things. He's just an insanely talented player. But 2018, man, there's some good quarterbacks drafted that year.

Oh, yeah. And I think I like Josh Allen's throwing motion better. I think that's part of like, it just seems more fluid and more, like, it it's like a a pure jump shooter verse. Like, your boy, Haliburton?

I'm sorry. I hate his jump shot. Right? And I want him, like, so bad. Why doesn't he have just, like, a mid range pull up? Like, he doesn't have, like, the shade get to the elbow elbow someone and get a jumper off. Dude, lay lay off.

He's got a torn Achilles right now, man. Like, cut me cut him some slack. There's something just about that that arm motion, though. I think there's something there. It's like watching Tua. Tua throw left handed is weird to me.

It is. I can't get behind it. So Alright. I have two cards left. I'm gonna I'm gonna for interest of time, we're they're both nineties related. We're just going one. Yep. You you pick you pick. Which one do you wanna talk about?

Let's talk about this Elway. Okay. It's interesting. So we've got the '97 flare showcase legacy collection, row zero masterpiece, one of one, John Elway selling for via auction for $13,800, which is a huge chunk of change.

However, I saw a lot of online sentiment about individuals talking about how they couldn't believe how cheap this card was in comparison to some of the up and coming players in this league, and you get this debate all the time.

Like, why are these nineties cards selling less than these, you know, Jaden Daniels, Drake Mays, all this other stuff? And, you know, that you can have that conversation till you're blue in the face.

I think for me, the most interesting component of this, and I'll pull it up here in card ladder, is there has been three sales of this card in a year time frame.

You had one on September 30, which or excuse me. You had one on August 19, which is for nearly $19,000. Then you had that card resold again on September 30 for $13,000.

13 3, and then a year later, $13. 08. And I don't know. Like, no also, you've got the various levels in this product that there's multiple one of ones, so that plays a role in it in it as well.

I just think, like, the moral of the story for me is, like, these cards aren't built to be resold a month apart, let alone a year apart, and that's likely why this card isn't going up in value.

What about what do you think? Yeah. The fact it's moved that many times, I think, hurts it. The multiple levels, like, Flare showcase is select of the nineties. Yes.

So just do I think that's part of it, which kind of ties back to, like, what we are start talking about at the start with, like, breakers and stuff, and repacks in the downtowns where, like and the old adage of the more you have to tell someone about something, the harder it is to sell.

Like, the more you have to explain a lot about this card for someone to want to buy it, I think.

Like, yes, it's a one of one, but you have to, you know, explain the levels, and all that. And that's why I think kabooms and downtowns are so easy right now.

It's like, oh, kaboom downtown. Like, it's one word. I know I I can sell it. So this, I think, suffers from the yeah. Selling multiple times. And, again, I I is Rosier the best? I don't even know. Like, this is foreign to me.

So Cool card nonetheless. Good card. I mean, yes. Awesome. But Elway Elway, I mean, he bounced back with the two Super Bowls, but he had a run through at the start. He did. It helps to get Terrell Davis on your team.

It does. Alright. We gotta wrap up. Yeah. Card call out from last week. We asked to see three year runs. You did not disappoint. I'm gonna shout out two real quick. One, my man, Jason, Chicago Bears cards.

He had the Rokwan Smith black finite run from I dug that. That was cool. 2019 to 2021. So sick. To me, 2019 black finites looks so awesome. I I don't own one, but of those gotta rock your sin. Yeah.

They look slick. Like, it's not my favorite gold, but the finite, there's something about the curved pattern of it that just really looks cool. And then cards and cardio with the nineteen fifty one to 53 autogram Bowman on card autorun.

That was the that was easily my favorite one of all of them. That the insanity to have that is just unreal. Like, I was like, there's no one else in the world who has this run like this.

No way. No. It looks so cool. Those cars are awesome. I think maybe I'm a vintage guy now. Like, shout out. We're we're covering it every Vintage on card, man. The National.

Let's blow all of our money on that stuff. I know. And, like, I'm I like the whole, like, period correctness of it all. Like, you want that ballpoint pen auto instead of, like, the Sharpie that they did during the signing last year.

I'm the furthest thing from an auto guy. But if I'm an auto guy, give me the ballpoint all day every day. Yep. And for the loyal listeners of the fastest growing football card podcast, this week, we wanna see defensive players.

Let's see them. Any defensive player, any card you have, one card, 10 cards, whatever it is, we are putting out, the call for defensive player cards football cards.

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