Hello, and welcome to the football card podcast.

You made it. It's Friday, and you're here listening to the fastest growing podcast in the world that is centered around football cards and most importantly football cards. I'm your host, John, aka Pack Nicholson.

And with me as always is Brett, mister stacking slabs himself. Brett, how are you doing? I have very little to complain about at this point in my life and most specifically my fandom as a football fandom.

Still can't get over this and we'll dive more into this, during the updates of the NFL. But my Indianapolis Colts have scored a 194 points through six games, which is the most in the history of the franchise.

So when your team is scoring at that clip, even if there are some inefficiencies on the other side of the ball, scoring points is just everything we're after as fans, and I've seen a lot of points this year.

More points through six games than anything Peyton Manning, that guy, and whatever he was doing or trying to do during that era.

So, I'm all for it. That's pretty insane if there's offensive output above the Manning days. I mean, it feels like they they're just methodical every drive, ends in points.

How many punts have they had this year? Very very few. And it's it's okay. We will it we'll leave Rigoberto Sanchez. I want him to have the cushiest job of all time. But, yeah, it it's been something.

So how how are you doing? I'm alright. Win winning heals all. When when your football team's winning, just life's better. There's a extra pep in your step. Sunshine's a little brighter. You know, birds are chirping. Life is good.

You know, the winning, especially for us in Indianapolis, in the Midwest, how about the feeling of winning and waking up on Monday, and then being in this great month of October where it's nice and crisp in the morning, you've got, like, maybe shorts on and a hoodie, and you're just driving your kids around to drop them off.

It just I feel like it's it's it's zen.

It's like, can we be winning all the time and the weather always be like this in the morning? It's you get your coffee going. It's a good feeling. It is. The the the crisp mornings are my absolute favorite.

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I mean, we should get a box of something and figure out whatever you know, make it fair, economical. Like, alright. We're gonna get a box of o six Bowman Chrome for $200, charge whatever, you know, breakeven.

Like, we're not trying to make money here on the Football Card Podcast. We're just trying to unearth cards. It it won't it won't be the feature of the new releases segment this week.

I can assure you that. Yeah. Yeah. No. We'll do something simple. We'll do $200 box of Bowman Chrome, $50 a spot for random team. That's it. I think that maths out. Well, let's let's get we'll we're putting that into the hemisphere.

We'll see if we can execute it. Alright. Episode 17. It's kinda crazy that this is that there's enough football card, happenings to create 17 full episodes of this, but I feel like we haven't even scratched the surface.

Just getting started, man. Yeah. So, looking up and hall of famers, seventeens, not not some household names. We've got Morris Badgrove, Harold Carmichael, Albert Glenn Edwards, and Benny Friedman.

Apologies to those dudes, but I didn't know who any of them are. But I think that just leaves a lot of, you know, room for other seventeens to maybe come in and claim a spot.

But who came to your mind when thinking of the number 17? It this was this was one of the most strongest, just immediately in my brain, than any others that we've had on here.

Maybe Joe Montana was we've had some, like, we've had some good ones recently, but this one especially, I had to go with Philip Rivers, and I will will classify Philip Rivers always as a Colts killer who became a Colt in some numbers here against the Colts, foreign to all time against the Colts to and o in the playoffs.

And it's those those playoff wins that Phil had against us that really stung. And I hear these debates all the time. Is Philip Rivers a Hall of Famer?

Is he not a Hall of Famer? Philip Rivers defines the Hall of Fame. And I know he didn't win a Super Bowl. I don't think Super Bowl is qualification criteria when you're this prolific of a winner and a quarterback.

He is six all time in yards with 63,440, six all time with touchdowns, 421, All time passerator rating of 95. 7, which is fifth amongst players with at least 1,500 yard 1,500 attempts. Philip Rivers was always a guy.

I absolutely couldn't stand and despised. I think about him in the playoffs, beating him going out and Billy Volick beating us, him jawjacking to our fans, and just the constant pain and agony he, caused me.

Always one of my least favorite players until twenty twenty when he became a member of the Indianapolis Colts during that COVID year.

And, man, that was the last fun year outside of this year that we had, and it was so easy to fall in love with Philip Rivers, the competitor, the leader, the gunslinger, quickly caused me to erase my, preconceived notions on him as a player.

And he has immediately been one of my instantly changed to be one of my favorite players of that era.

Just an awesome guy, awesome winner, coaching high school football now, hall of famer for sure. Yeah. The I had to look it up because I was thinking, is he on the Colts or not?

But when he's talking trash to the Jaguars player after that long TV where he's like yelling and the guy's like, be humble. Like, don't do that in my ear. And River's like, I can. I can do it in your ear.

Yes. Ever cursed net no curse words. To be that level of a troll without cursing is pretty, admirable. I mean, that he's able to pull that off. That's like when you go see, like, Jim Gaffigan or any of the stand ups who don't curse.

It's like, wow. You made it in this industry without cussing? That means the ideas are are pretty sharp. They should get Philip Rivers a CBS Saturday Sunday morning spot on that show just like Jim Gaffigan.

But I I'm here. I'm here to watch everything Philip Rivers related. When they when he did the, like, retiring as a charger and they did a video packaging and all this stuff and is like offensive lineman, surprised him, dude.

That was like, this is great content. Just put a camera on Philip Rivers. Let him talk how he talks and do what he does. Like, he's just an awesome dude.

I'd watch Some other notable seventeens. I did not even think of Philip Rivers, but I thought of Josh Allen and then Alshon Jeffrey and Davante Adams, where the kind of big three current guys that came to mind.

Alshon, legendary. And it's funny. Like, I think of Alshon and, like, Brandon Marshall as these legendary Bears receivers, but they aren't even the all time Bears receiving leaders.

They're just in the, like, four thousands total yards, which is I don't know. Sometimes it's like, wow.

Alshon was there for a lot of years. He is very productive. He must have big numbers. It's like, nope. This was a a flash in the pan, but still good times, with him and Marshall and Forte. Those were some fun Bears offenses.

And one other 17 shout out the 17 and o Dolphins. I mean Can we get a camera on those guys every year when this was early earlier than it has been in the past? These guys are just popping bottles right now.

I there was nothing better than them just celebrating that forever. Mercury Morris. Just like I mean, why wouldn't you? And they need to now with the way things are going in Miami, they need something to celebrate.

That's for sure. You got to, throwing his coach under the bus. It's it's getting ugly in Miami. God. I know. Seventeen and o, though, is impressive. And then it just got me thinking.

Was there anything better than when the Patriots trademarked nineteen and o before the Super Bowl and then lost? I mean, you you gotta you gotta take they were so prolific in the era and they were the franchise.

You gotta take some jabs when you can. For sure. Alright. I think, we have a new release to talk about. We do have a new release to talk about, and we are going to talk about a product.

Shout out Haystack for sponsoring the new release segment. We wouldn't be able to do this without them, but a I was looking on the calendar, and I was like, Eminence football is back?

And I thought 2024 Eminence football in the year 2025 is about to be a thing. And I was thinking about this. It was, like, almost like a a, fever dream for me. It was like, I know Eminence has had a release.

Have they been doing it every year? And they haven't. So the the new product is going to drop October 23, which will be the second release of Eminence, which will be a follow-up from the 2021 campaign.

Now Imminence is about as high end from a panini perspective as you can go, like, high quality, the packaging.

They they make it look special. You're getting on card autos, premium memorabilia, relics. You get diamonds. You get bars and metal. All of those things. So I have been introduced to imminence via the basketball card community.

I think imminence is one of those key, products within basketball that a lot of collectors gravitate to, thinking of very rare cards that feature moments, thinking about, gold autographs.

Like, they make these cards. They're encased. They make them look very, very special. So that product is returning. And I gotta go through this. If I can pull it up, I should have been a little bit more prepared.

But we did this last time, and I wanna dig into the imminence cut signatures, roster on the checklist. Are you ready for this? Let's go. It's a diverse group. We've got William Howard Taft, and all of these are out of one.

Okay? George h w Bush. Okay. Couple presidents. Queen Elizabeth the second. We've got our man who hangs out with Ken Golden, Drake. Oh, Drake. The Drake. No. No. No. Not Drake not Drake Magruder.

The the Drake, the six, Wilt Chamberlain, Bart Giamani, the minister of defense, Reggie White, Walter Payton, bear down, Ace Parker, Hank Stram, Ollie Madsen, Dante LaViele, Eminem, Jay Z, Norman Schwarzkopf, Doc Blanchard, Hank Schworer, and Bob Waterfield.

That is the imminence cut signatures roster. Which auto out of there, outside of Walter Payton, because I know you're a Bears guy, which one intrigues you the most?

Oh, man. That's honestly Drake McGruder. I would have loved that. Somebody somebody with a lot of time, please make an eminence custom Drake McGruder. Please do it. Man, there's so many directions to go.

Do you wanna go, you know, the Presidential Route? The queen? I think he gotta go the queen. Yeah. Dude, the queen when I saw the queen Elizabeth the second, I was like, that is about as unique and cool as possible.

That is think about think about, though, which this is there's gotta be queen collectors, memorabilia, royal family historians. Are they gonna know that a cut queen Elizabeth Otto is in a Panini Eminence product?

Like, is or is that gonna be known, you think, or is this just gonna pop up on eBay or a major auction site and people gonna go nuts? I bet there I bet there's already stuff like this out there.

Like Okay. I feel like we see, you know, historic autos. Like, I feel like Leaf does a ton of stuff like this. So I'm I wouldn't be shocked if there's already a a queen cut auto out there, but I'm trying to get, RPA.

I want RPAs of everyone. Give me the you know, I feel like she's always wearing those was always wearing those, dress like, the pink dress and the hat.

It's like, give me a a nice chunk chunky patch. Dude, that would be sweet. That's next level of innovation. We'll see if tops and fanatics are are listening and maybe, can bring those to market, but that would be cool.

I've got I I wanna do a little trivia question combining maybe this segment brought to, all the listeners by Haystack and another partner, which is Cardler.

I did some digging. I mentioned before, 2021 was the first, first and only year of Emmett's football. Can you guess what the highest selling Eminence football card of all time is? I cheated because I already have this pulled up.

Use using the wonderful resources at Card Ladder. There you go. I'll tell you the highest selling overall eminence card is another football card football card podcast, Messi, the Patch Auto one of one.

What did that sell for? A $150 in August. Tell listeners since you've already looked it up what the highest selling is.

And then the highest selling football, American football is twenty twenty one shield diamond Tom Brady game worn NFL shield patch card, one of one. That's a pretty sick looking card.

I love equipment patches. Mhmm. I wish the the cutout matched the equipment cutout shield though. Like this this one is at least better that it shows the full NFL logo and some of the equipment, but it I don't know.

To me, I it always bugs me when the, like, patch window for a shield is smaller than the actual patch, and you're, like, cutting off part of it, which kind of happening here, but this this still looks sick.

Agreed. I love the analysis. Before we jump off this topic, I was curious if you think do you think, like, products like imminence that are so like, for football to me, it's like contenders in football.

Contenders in football is way more of a thing than it is in basketball.

And imminence is way more of a thing in basketball than it is in football. Do you think that changes over time? Like, will time be favorable to these, like, premium products that have just been so defined in one category?

Or do you think, like, I don't know, like, imminence will just, like, be forgotten about because there's not a ton of football because there's not a ton of lineage and legacy around the product on the football front.

I don't know. It's hard to say with a set like this. Like, I feel like these kind of cards will continue to pop up and maybe get noticed, but the cost of entry into this product is so crazy.

Nice, man. I mean, it's just a different level. Like, it's like at least with something like a prism, you could still buy a box of that for you know, it's still gonna be expensive.

But, like, you could get into a product like that. Eminence, it just feels like aren't these boxes, like, over $10? Aren't they something that have to be.

Yeah. I haven't checked MSRP. I probably should've done that. But, yeah, these aren't going to be you're not gonna be able to, walk into to Walmart and pick up a blaster of imminence. That's not happening.

Yeah. That's that's a different level of collecting, gambling, whatever you wanna call it, then I am k. I mean, if the set's got gold, precious metals, and literal precious metal and gems within the cards, That's not for me.

That's a that's a different tax bracket. 100%. I am excited to see these cards in breaks and shared, and there'll be plenty of these shared via Haystacks, tools.

So let's, excited for that. And I don't even think by the way, this this comes out October 23. I think I might have disregarded this. The release date's the October 23.

So if you're gonna be participating in these breaks, check out Haystack. Also, let me know. I'd love to see what these cards look like. Shout out Haystack for sponsoring the new releases segment. Yeah. But yeah. Call me old fashioned.

I like my precious metals and gems in in text on the card. Not not literal. Fair metals and gems in my card. I think a lot of people do too. Cool. That's that's fun though. I like that that cut cut auto checklist is wonderful.

I don't know why I find it so entertaining, but I do. No. Those are good. Moving on. Let's get into the dynamic kickoff. This is our question segment currently called dynamic kickoff until a new name replaces it.

I feel like we can start maybe a a survivor series or like the, you know, the videos where it's like this or that and then the winner stays and can take it.

So I have a new one and I actually really like this, and I could see this name having potential.

Do it for a test drive. What do you got? The Out Route. Oh, okay. Why? Why why do you like the Out Route so much? I just I feel like you could see it feels like an ESPN, like, morning show hosted by some former player.

It's like, this is the out route with Lavernius Coles. I I can see the branding. Out route, they go nicely together. It or it'd be like a sports talk show on in, like, a movie.

And, like, like, a Jerry Maguire would have, like, a segment that they're watching on TV, and it's like, oh, so and so on the out route. You know, like, the it it's one of those Colin Coward type shows, The Herd.

Dude, I I love it how you said Lavernius Coles. What a mention. In my mind, when you're about to mention the name, I thought, like, because he's in media and he's got a pod, I thought you're gonna say, like, Julian Edelman.

Like, he's such a like, he's such an out route guy, but Lavernius Coles is way better.

So, yes, I let me let let this marinate a little bit. I'll let you know what I think in twenty four hours. Okay. Sounds good. But until then, this is the dynamic kickoff.

And to kick us off to kick off the dynamic kickoff is to dynamic kickoff the dynamic kickoff is from Joel alt collection. What are three cards on your PC you would slash might trade for a grail, but not sell for money.

Can I say something first before we respond to the question? I can't tell you how much I enjoy watching the dynamic kickoff more than what we had last year where absolutely nothing happens.

Like, there's a lot of excitement and strategy that goes into this that play, and that play used to be meaningless. And now it's really important. So I'm all for the dynamic kickoff.

I just had to mention that. I've been keeping that inside for a while. Yeah. No. It it's the best. But yeah. Cards, you might trade for a grail, but not sell for money. To me, this scenario all depends on what the grail is.

Like, there are cards I think I would never get rid of. But, again, if that one certain card shows up, like, even, say, the twenty twelve finite cutler I have, that seems like an unmovable card.

But what if, like, if the Hester twenty twelve finite came up and the person wanted the cutler plus other things?

Like, is that scenario I would try and you know, like, I don't know. Like, I just think certain cards can make any card all of a sudden, movable.

But most of my bear stuff, I would only trade for, like, if it's getting me other bear stuff. Like so I guess, I I don't know what the three cards are that I'd trade but not sell probably like that cutler.

But, again, it would only have to be another twenty twelve finite of, like, Hester or Forte. Like, there's a limited pool of cards that would make me even consider that.

I don't know. How'd you take this? I, you know, I don't like, I'm gonna be we're gonna this is gonna be the big biggest non answer, because I don't have three cards to say.

Like, these are cards that I would trade and not sell for, because I I do love trading. But, like, my number of trades I've made are few and far between.

And I just it so many stars have to align for me to make a trade possible. One, like, typically, the person I have to trade with has to be a Colts collector at some level.

Like, that's speaking my language. And then you've got a whole bunch of other dynamics on top of that. So I don't even really, like, get myself in the mode of thinking, like, addressing, like, this question with my own collection.

I think it's a very good one. But also, like, with trading, like, trading is made easy by looking at watching the videos of, like, Roth cards or, like, Kyle Kravitz, king of cards.

And it's like, they're they're, like, trading on top of the cash and all this stuff. It's just moving. But it's like it's because stuff is moving so fast, and they're making moves on top of the moves and on top of the moves.

And it's like, that's not my reality. I respect that. So it's just way more challenging for me as a collector to consider trades. A lot of the times now I'm in the the mode where it's like, I look at my case.

I'm just like, I'm just gonna pay cash. Like, I'm not even gonna explore that. So I think it's a great question. But just the way I operate, I haven't quite, been able to get there and don't have specific cards that I would trade.

Yeah. I think it takes having the right trade partner who also has the same kinds of cards and level of cards that you're looking for.

So it's like you have a very specific collection. There's probably only a handful of people that you would even really want to make a trade with based on what they already have.

Whereas, like, yeah, Roth and, King of the Cards are, like, dealers in in the, like, inventory world where, like, they they speak the same language with cards a lot of the times where it's like they anyone knows they can walk up with, like, a gold kaboom and make a deal with one of those guys.

And not saying those are bad. I love watching their content. I love watching people make deals with cards no matter, like, what level of it is.

I heard Josh talk about this on EarPod where he's like, that content, like, keeps me engaged in the hobby, like, through a different lens that, like, I don't operate in, but it's still entertaining.

And I feel the same way. Like, I love, yeah, just like I'll watch a fifteen minute video of some kid at a show going around making deals. That's fun to me. Like, I I I I couldn't agree more.

And I I've I've had a conversation with some individuals about this. And if you, I don't wanna sidetrack us too far, but I've had some individuals who create conversations with individuals who create content in this space.

And their audience of people that they're aiming towards is different than maybe the listeners of the football card podcast and the makeup, and the behaviors of those individuals.

And so I think what happens is you've got collectors or people more collector driven who see content at card shows, people flipping, making money. And they, like, try to judge it and say, you know what?

I don't like this content, because this is not how I think about cards where in my mindset, it's like, I love it because it opens up my mindset to the different flavors of the hobby and how people operate.

And then the other thing, like, especially now as being someone who's doing this full time, it's like, a lot of these people doing these videos who are dealing and creating content, they're doing it full time.

So it's like Mhmm. Of course, they're trying to make money. They're trying to survive, and they're doing it in the industry, in a space that, we all love. So I say that I say all that, and I'll get off my soap boxes.

I just think we as participants in this space, like, we don't have to look and agree at everything at the same level. But if everyone was doing the same thing, this wouldn't be as fun.

And so I liked it how Josh spoke up and said, like, yeah. I like this content. It's like, I like that content. If I see a king of the cards real, I I'm stopping and watching the whole thing.

And to me, that's the sign of a a good creator. And we were talking about trades, and we got into that whole rant. But, yeah. That's how I feel. Yeah. It's it's fun to participate in the hobby.

And, like, I took if I were young and pre not if I didn't have a kid and, different like, a house and all these things, like, if I were 21 years old or just getting out of college, like, I could totally see where I would have explored.

Like, I love this hobby, and I see the industry side of this.

Let me see if I can, like, can I make a living doing this? Can I, like, like there is just a level of hustle that any of those creators who are, like, popular now, like, got there by hard work and doing it?

Like, it is not easy to not only do those types of deals and travel and, like, go to all the shows, but to also, like, document it and then to also, like, edit it and make it an engaging piece of content.

Like, I work in that, so it's just interesting to me to see, like, what's the production value of someone who's making a vlog of going to a card show.

And, like, some are good and some are bad and then some get better. And I don't know. At at the end of the day, I like seeing cards, and, like, those videos lead to me seeing cards and hearing other people's perspectives on said cards.

And I'm here for the cards. That's that's it. If you rewound the tape ten years, would you have frequent flyer miles on, like, Spirit Airline?

Because you'd be just jet setting and getting out there and going to car shows all the time? I feel like I'd have I would've I feel like you'd be really good at this. I feel like you'd wanna try it. Like Yeah. I don't know.

And and then I once you kinda carve out a lane of, like, or even seeing the captain, like, you had a great talk with him where he was talking about, kinda becoming a Brady guy and then, like, like, adding, like, other showcases that have, like, certain things.

And I I I love the idea of, like, yeah, I've become the running back guy, and I'm at every show with, like, the best running back cards. Like, maybe one day, you know?

I don't know. It's just card shows are fun. It's like such a like, when else are you actually in a building with let alone one other person who likes cards, but, like, hundreds or thousands of people and all speaking the same language.

And, like, yeah, these tray like, trades only happen, I feel like, in an environment like that.

I mean, they happen in other places, but I feel like a trade most likely happens when a person is face to face with someone else and, like, looking through the cards.

I feel like it'd be harder to set up a trade completely virtual. It's not the same as, like, holding that card and being like, I need this right now.

Okay. I'll part with these three. Yeah. I would love to do more trades, but it takes it's like I go to one show a year. That's that's my only chance. My dad had the vinyl war in the seventies, hit single.

Why can't we be friends? And that's just that's just playing in my head right now as we're talking about these different segments. Why can't we like, why can't we be friends, guys? Yeah. It's cards, baby. Alright. Great question.

Joel collection. Next up from chargers PC sports cards. With one third of the season done, Yes. A little more than one third. We could calculate percentages. 72 dolphins are sipping champagne in heaven. Love a 72 dolphin shout out.

That's two mentions. Who's your Super Bowl pick now? I'm unwavering, and I know this is not the time to do it or it doesn't might not seem, but I'm not wavering. I'm even though they lost to Atlanta, I'm going with the bills still.

I'm not changing. And and I'll also even, like, pour some, like, ice cold water on my prediction too. Here are the here are their wins. Ravens, one and five. Jets, o and six. Dolphins, one and five. Saints, one and five.

But I think things just change so quickly in the NFL. Like, we are so overreactionary. Like, there are people saying, oh, the Bills aren't good after losing one game. I still think Josh Allen's the best player. I think he's due.

I said it earlier. So I'm sticking my guns. I'm not changing. It's yeah. We've got this time and things change, but it's, like, it's way too early. Like, I don't have enough evidence to get off of my pick, so I'm still going bills.

I totally understand that. Respect that. I said Chiefs just because Dude, I saw him I Ringer had him power ranked number one this week. That's, I mean, a little crazy. But at the same time vibe.

Straight vibes pick it over there. I just, like, they're gonna make the playoffs. Yes. And then, like, the answer to this question comes down to who I think is gonna be Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes in the playoffs.

And currently, like, it's a lot of new situations out there that are exciting, like the Colts or the Steelers or Patriots, Chargers.

But a lot of those are, like, new quarterbacks and new situations. Like, it's still, you know, teams that are finding their footing, and it's like, I just can't pick any of them over Mahomes and Andy Reid quite yet.

Like, I'd say the Lions and the Bills are up there. I think AFC still probably comes down to Bills pay or Bills Chiefs. Mhmm. Colts might have something to say.

Colts are sick. Like, I don't know. But then it's just, like, playoff time, Patrick Mahomes or Daniel Jones. I I have to go Mahomes at this point until Danny Dimes carves up the Chiefs for 40, and I'll be like, alright.

Like, it's a new we're in a new era now. But, yeah, right now, Chiefs is probably my pick. Yeah. I think experience goes a long way in the playoffs. I have a hard time picking against that experience.

But, yeah, I think that was a pretty sober, breakdown. And I'm glad we didn't, like, move too far off of what we were thinking before. No. I think preseason, I said Super Bowl Eagles. Same thing of, like, they they already did it.

They're gonna do it again. That looks less, solid now, but a lot of games left. The NFL feels completely different week to week of, like, who's the team to be or and who's not. Next question from leather helmet cards.

Please discuss the twenty twelve black finite Marshawn Lynch sale. Dude, I I opened my phone and I was working and just saw the discussion and then, like, closed my phone. And then when I put my kids down, got my phone again.

And it was like it had gone in a whole another direction. And I was just like, this is so this year of the hobby where you have takes and people bickering and then people saying they know better than you have people.

And I'm gonna try not to there are people's posts that are, like, burned into my brain because I can I tried to consume as much information about this as possible?

But yeah, man. The it's it's interesting to me how caught up we get as a community over prices and what's legit and what's not without any information.

And there's a whole my I did post one thing, and my my post was after I, like, the dust had settled.

I was just like, man, I just wanna talk about how, like, cool of a card this is. And then I was, like, looking up the the production timelines. It was literally, like, a year after, almost a year to date after the the Beast Quake run.

And I was just like, can you imagine, like, you opening up this a pack of prism, which was, like, nothing during that time and pulling out this one of one Marshawn Lynch?

Like, the first thing you're thinking of is, like, man, this is the Beast Quake guy, and, like, what a cool card. And so I get the the financials and the values and all that plays such a pivotal role in our hobby.

But, man, I the card is incredible. And I was like, I just wanted to be one person. Like, this card is amazing. Like, let's let's, like, actually talk about how cool this card is.

So, what was what was your and maybe it would be helpful if you wanna, like, for anyone who is unaware of what transpired, if you wanna maybe recap that, that might be helpful.

Yes. The twenty twelve Prism Black Finite which actually twenty twelve Prism, they're not called Black Finites.

They're the Finite Prism one zero one, but gotta include Black Finite. I feel like, twenty twelve Prism Black Finite Marshawn Lynch sold for $45,000, BGS nine five on eBay.

But it was, like, sold. It said sold, and then it was relisted. And so people thought it didn't actually sell, but then, it was confirmed that it was, sold and paid for at $45,000.

So that, yes, caused takes, which I was like, I'm sick of the takes, which is probably hypocritical as a host of a football card podcast.

I'm like but, again, on Instagram, I'm here for the cards. So when I'm flicking through stories and I just see blocks of text, I'm just like, nope.

Like, I just don't. And maybe it was p s t PSTD of, PTSD of the Cutler where I'm like, why do all these people I don't know have opinions on my purchase and my card and, like, why is, like, just let me buy this card in peace.

And I understand, like, this is significantly more money, but and it sounds crazy, but, like, I guess I kinda get it. Same way, like, I know when I bought the color, it seems crazy. It still is crazy, but, like, I had my reasons.

Maybe the buyer of this is just in a totally different financial realm where they're able to just like, I don't know. I can't judge anyone for buying a card if they want it and for whatever reasons. Like, I don't know.

Get get the card. The card's sick. That what you just said there is I wanna focus in on this. And I think, like, all of the speculation on if this was paid for or sold or whatever, like, ended, and we'll give him a shout out.

My man, Nick, at the worst sports cards when he posted the graphic of, like, we just funded the biggest twenty twelve prism, black finite of all time.

And that that was a graphic, which, like, completely erased any speculation where you have a business and an owner of a business saying, hey. This thing, we funded it. So I thought, like, that was a pivotal moment.

But then back to what you're talking about. And I've pieced together some breadcrumbs of this. My and I don't know who bought who who the card is the eventual owner of this card is gonna be.

But my speculation is it's a fan and someone who has a lot of funds to pay for it. That's my from piecing some bread crumbs together. But this is, like, one of the issues I have with the way our hobbies engineered or operate sometimes.

It's like people can't get it out of their brain that, like, a big Seahawks fan or a big Marshawn Lynch fan who is financially set, who's a collector of cards, who has been monitoring Prism, and this card is available.

People can't understand that somebody could just buy that card because they, like, love it.

Just like you bought your Jay Cutler. Just like I bought many a cards. It's like, yeah. It's unexplainable that I'm spending thousands of dollars on a card, but that that makes sense to me, and that's all that matters.

And, like, the market and the way people buy. It's not all comp based and comp driven. Like, if it was this, the hobby would suck.

Like, so much of the buys are about emotion. So much of it are are about connection and memories. And I just think, like, we as a community tend to disregard that, which I think that's the most important piece of the pie.

And it's whenever I see people, like, slamming big sales and saying this can't be true, just it to me, it it just shows such a narrow mind and it's like we can't be creative or we can't think that somebody would go above and beyond what we value the card as.

Like, the fact of the matter is, is like the the value of a card is placed on the person who is willing to pay that money. And just because you're not and just because you don't have the money doesn't mean somebody else can't.

And that just pisses me off every time I see that. And so I'm happy for the owner of the card, and you gotta be happy for the seller of the card too. It's it's awesome. And so we get to see a cool card exchange.

Like, what's so bad about that? Yeah. And relative to other sales in the hobby, this is not a lot of money. Like, we just saw a car sell for $13,000,000. Like, PMG Greens are 6 figures all the time.

And, like, again, it gets into, like, is this you can't say prism's equivalent to PMG, but I guess I'm more trying to say, like, if the buyer believes that this set is long term going to end up with a similar trajectory of some of these sets that the top cards sell for millions and millions of dollars?

Like, if you believe in that and you like the player, why not? Because another thing I was thinking about is, like, every card, I feel like there's a balance of are you buying it because you're, like, it's part of something?

Like, you're Mhmm. Putting it with something, or are you buying it because you believe it's a worthy investment? And it's, like, every purchase can be both of those things at the same time.

And there there's, like, a sliding scale. It's like like me buying the cutler, like, part of that was, oh, I think 2012 prism is fine long term. So, like, that gave me confidence to spend that much money on it.

But I think that, yeah, people always, I think or, like, collectors like it when people are making a purchase that is based on adding it to a collection versus making a purchase that's based on speculating future value.

And, like, that's where I think you see tension and conflict is like, oh, who bought this?

Is it a Seahawks collector, or is it, like, a one of one collector? And it's like, I feel like hobby sentiment will be different based on who the buyer is, which I I don't necessarily think is fair.

Like, it's like who whoever wants the card and was willing to pay that much money for it deserves to be the rightful owner of it.

I don't know. It's just a lot of here we are. Here I was complaining about people having takes and rattling off some takes of our own.

But but that's why we have the football card pocket. Yes. That this was the topic of the week. So I wanna shout out Alex Leather Helmet Cards for, teeing it up for us. Yeah. It it had to be discussed.

But bottom line, awesome card. Marshawn was so sick. Yes. I mean, Beast Quake is one of the most memorable NFL plays of all time. Like, I mean, truly, it was at least the last twenty years, in the play out, like, just everything.

That was it was awesome. No doubt. Alright. Next question from Van Isle cards. Would you rather receive any black finite of your choice or your team wins the Super Bowl?

I'm taking the Super Bowl and I don't even have to think about it. No question. Super Bowl. I would do anything for Super Bowl. Like and then I started thinking, what how much of your collection would you trade for a Super Bowl win?

I I I'm glad you followed up with this because when I I was on a walk before this and I was thinking about that follow-up question, and I was debating with to myself.

And this might sound crazy, but I might just I might I might put it in a box and give it all away just for that one Yeah. Once well, and it's because, like, there's this debate, like, what are you more of a collector?

Are you more of a a fan? It's like, I'm way I'm way more of a fan. Like, my fandom sits at the top of the mountain, and my fandom is an collecting as an extension of that fandom.

But, like, I I can't tell you the rush I get when I go to these games and when I'm standing there literally this week against the Cardinals, and I'm like, this comes down to this play.

Like, come on. Stop them. Stop them. And it's like, no. Nothing else in my life. Nothing, like, makes me feel like that, and it's like a drug. And, yeah, I love cards, man, but I I'm I'm a Colts fan above all else.

So, I I saw your response ahead of it, and I'm like, I'm I'm glad we're on the same page here. Yeah. I mean, I collect because I love this team and want them to win a Super Bowl.

So, like, this collection like, why would I want to keep collecting Jay Cutler cards if it meant I can watch Caleb Williams just win a Super Bowl? But that trading the entire collection for a Super Bowl win Scared.

Thank you. Like, and, like, you don't get the value back. It's not like you get to sell them and cash out. It is, like, the trade is one Super Bowl win for your entire collection. It stays with you the rest of your life, dude.

Yeah. Because then I would start collecting again. But, yeah, here's a reset button. That would be a a financial hit. It it it would be, but think about how much think about you'd be just intoxicated off of the the suit.

Right. When it happened and it's just ironic our teams played each other. But when it happened in '41, like, I I've been living off of that ever since.

And, dude, if if the loss to the Saints, if they hadn't won Super Bowl forty one, I'm I'm I'm sure I'd be maybe, like, in a I would be in some institution somewhere seeking treatment and help.

Like the fact that we had won one made the winning is the best losing in, you know, it's it's so painful.

So once you get that close but, yeah, I'm I'm hungry for another one. I've built part of my hobby identity off Jay Cutler winning one playoff game in his career.

Like, that that is worth it to me to collect this team or, like, the Super Bowl appearance in o '6. So, yeah, for them to win a Super Bowl. I can't imagine how good it feels to win a Super Bowl.

Like, any like, one day, I hope one day, I hope to expand. Many, many, many years left. Things are tracking in the right direction, it appears, for you. We will see. We will see. It's so hard. 32 teams.

So hard. I know. Alright. Great question. Next up from TKD Tickets. Is Cam Scataboo the most exciting 2025 rookie? Scataboo? Scataboo? It's a bow. Right? Scataboo. Scataboo. Cam's got a bow. There's a lot of rookies by the way.

There's a lot of Said he's electric. I love that Giants team. That's fun. Dart and Cam is just a great duo. And, but Tyler Warren to me, it's just every week. He's just solidifying as, like, the best most consistent rookie.

I think, the Buka is up there and then Tate McMillan for the Panthers is having a really good year. Only really know this because I have him on a fantasy team, which I love fantasy so much.

Just makes me care about players. I would have no other reason to care about. But, yeah, Tyler Warren's kinda I still think rookie of the year right now, but Colston Loveland did have a clutch catch for the Bears.

There you go. So, that felt good to finally see something happen out of that. And it just made me again, the Bears are just always a dysfunctional mess.

And, like, the fact that they took the project tight end versus, like, the surefire tight end when, like, you take the project when you already have some sort of identity on offense established.

And it's like, you don't take the project when you don't even know what you're doing in any other facet. Like, the Colts at least having, like we have Jonathan Taylor, one of the best running backs in the league.

Let's add a surefire tight end. Like, it just made so much sense because the Colts make smart decisions. But, yeah, the the Loveland versus Warren thing.

Well, there it'll we won't know for a few years how it all shakes out, but right now, Warren just looks like the man. I think it was, Simmons show. They're talking about Jackson Dart and, Cam and the reaction.

And that was just such a fun Thursday night game. I'm sorry, Eagles fans. It wasn't fun for you, but the comparison was like the road warriors, the legion of doom, both those guys.

So I was like, that that is, like, the perfect comp, and they were just I mean, that that we've talked about the giants probably more than we should on this podcast, so we should talk about when times are going really well.

And that one must have been a great win for Giants fans because I really enjoyed it.

And it's like, sometimes when you know you're not gonna have, like, a super successful season, if you can just see have a jolt into the future, like, that was about as big of a jolt as you possibly could imagine.

So, that was exciting to see. I can't you know, I have I'll say this, and this is like a bold proclamation, but I haven't seen a rookie make this big of an impact in Indianapolis since Edron James in '99.

Like, Tyler Warren is one of our best players. You just look at the opening drive this week against the Cardinals. It was all Warren.

I mean, we're getting the ball everywhere. He's catching everything. He's running the ball on indirect. I mean, he it's he's just such a dynamic player. So, he didn't say anything either. He just he just plays football.

And, so there are a ton of Warren jerseys already in Lucas Oil. Like, I I with walking into the game, I'm just like, look at all these Warren jerseys. Like, he's already he's already won the entire city over.

So, yeah. I'm gonna like, all season, like, if this continues, like, I'm just gonna have a hard time saying anyone but him. But yeah. He's a he there's no way this offense is performing at the level it is without him in it.

He's such an important piece. Next question. This is from Drake's PC. When it comes to shiny insert and die cut cards from the Panini era, they're seemingly less than a handful the hobby truly cares about from a value perspective.

Why do you think so many more inserts and die cuts mattered and are collected from the nineties and February compared to the last 13 of the Panini era. I just said because inserts were the chase cards back then.

There weren't a ton of parallels in the nineties, until later. So, yeah, inserts were the card that people wanted and still want because, you know, they're not retroactively putting parallels into those sets, but the inserts remain.

Yeah. I think I'm on the same page. I said, mine were was quite my response is twofold words.

There was a lack of parallels in the nineties and made inserts way more of a chase. And then second, I think I'd be remiss not to mention arena designs and just the innovation they did on the insert side.

And, you know, those are those are inserts that we still talk about today, and they drive nostalgia and collectability.

And I'm not sure although this is not my lane, I'm not sure we have seen the same type of in innovation on the insert front this era.

I do know there are collectors like Joe, Lopop, Poppy, who are all in on Panini level inserts, and I think that's cool.

But, yeah, I just if if parallels didn't exist and all we had were inserts in this Panini era, it'd be a different story. Yeah. I do I've been looking up inserts again just as I'm exploring new things to collect.

And there are a lot of insert sets, optic especially, that are really cool, but I just wish they had that next level of, like, give me a little die cut in there.

And I normally don't like die cuts, but I love nineties basketball and, you know, like, big man on court, noise boys, like, the where, like, the design on the of the card of some of these newer inserts are awesome.

And it's like but if you just, like, cut a little triangle out or, you know, just added that extra extra level, I think it would've they'd be more even more fun to collect.

Because, yeah, I think that's what makes those late nineties cards so fun is, like, understanding the levels that go into the production where you're like, oh, wow.

This was an acetate card. But then they put this layer of foil on, and then they put this thing on it, and then they cut out part of it.

Like, it's just you look at the card and you can think of how hard it must have been to, like, kind of figure out how to produce those. So I think that's where a lot of the appreciation also also comes from. Cool. Dynamic kickoff.

Done. We returned it for a touchdown. Next up, collect penalty flag? No penalties. No. There are no flags on the field. Collecting updates. What are the current collecting projects that you're focusing your resources on?

I have I have nothing. No mail days. No purchases. I've been kinda I don't know. I know what I want. There's a card I have my eyes on that I may be saving up for, maybe saving up for a Prism release.

May just kinda I don't know. I feel like I'm very locked in on what I want and just waiting for things to pop up. What about you? It's a good place to be in.

Won a card at auction last night. I'll talk about that maybe next week. Excited about that. And then posted a card, got the twenty nineteen Daniel Jones Gold Prism rookie out of 10 PSA nine. Caught up in the excitement. Don't carry.

He's in a Giants jersey. Of course, I'd rather him be in a Colts jersey, but it is what it is. The card was up at auction, and it just I put in a bid not thinking I would win it. And I want it, and I'm really excited to add that one.

I think part of it too is not only, like, time and place and my excitement with Jones and what he's doing in Indianapolis and expressing that in my collecting, but then also, like, the 2019 of it all, it's, like, so nostalgic of, like, that era that it's really cool to have, like, that card in my collection.

When I look at it, I'm just like, oh, man.

This literally brings me back to, like, returning in the hobby to the hobby and all of it. And it's just wild to think about. It's like this guy and I think about, like, Kyler Murray and that whole class.

And it's just like, things can change so quickly with a player. And there's no way this time last year that I would even if imagined spending money on a Daniel Jones gold 2019 gold prism, but here I am.

And when that mail I was, like, waiting for the mailman, and, like, I had to go pick up my kids, and it was, like, perfect timing. Like, he came right because I had to sign for it, and I was, like, I can't wait to look at this card.

And, yeah, it was fun. So I'm I'm pumped to add that one to the collection. Yeah. That's a great one to have. Danny Dimes, man. He is he is looking good, and gets us into our team talk.

How you feeling about those Colts? I'll I'll make this really brief because we've talked a lot about the Colts already. I will just say the I didn't feel great about the Cardinals game, because I just didn't.

And then I got the pre pregame news of Anthony Richardson smashing his face with the band. Then Chavarius Ward literally practicing and running into Ogletree and getting a concussion, and he was out.

And when I heard, like, Ward was out, like, he's we are so thin because Kenny Moore is out at cornerback. I'm like, this isn't, like, this isn't going to be great. Like, he is our lockdown corner, and we haven't had one in a while.

So, like, we are so thin, and Jacoby's just gonna chuck it. I was just like, I don't feel good about this game. And it went literally down to the last play down to the wire.

I think the Cardinals, they've lost four just brutal games in a row. I think their Cardinals are way better than their record. But yeah. To me, it it may it was a reminder of, like, the Colts have made winning look so easy so far.

But, like, this was, like, the reality check of, like, hey. It's not the NFL is not easy. And I'm just, like, very thankful they came out with a a victory, and they came out with a victory because the offense is just absurd.

If the offense wasn't playing at the level that it is right now, they would have probably lost that game by a couple scores because of how depleted they are defensively.

So, yeah, it was a a tough test based on the circumstances, and, they were able to overcome it for a win. And I probably the most excited I felt all year walking out of the stadium just because it was a hard fought victory.

Yep. That's awesome. Yeah. I'll keep it short too, but big win for the Bears. Three wins in a row. Win on When's the last time that happened?

I actually think last season because they got to four and two, and I think they started one and two and then won three in a row Okay. And then lost 10 in a row. So Okay. But just keep stacking wins. Keep getting better.

Like, they have the Saints at home this week. Just beat the Saints at home and you're four and two. Yes. So I don't know. It's a sloppy game. Caleb was a little off. Washington was turning it over. Penalties killed the Bears.

I'm not one to normally complain about refs. Like, I feel like, you know, you're gonna get some you're and sometimes you're not. But some might also say Washington has a history of corruption, just Washington DC in general.

So, like, you know, the amount of levers that can get pulled to change world events, like, what is fixing a football game? Nothing nothing to them.

But I don't know. There were four different penalties that gave the commanders of automatic first down. Three of them happened on third down. Like, that and that I was just thinking about that is it's as bad as a turnover.

When you get a stop on third down, but then there's a penalty that gives them a first down, it's like instead of you getting the ball back, they now have a first down.

It's Few things are more painful. It's literally a turnover. Like, I would the Bears were gonna have the ball, and now the Commanders have the ball with the first down.

So they over overcoming all that the sloppiness to win the game. It's normally the opposite way. Normally, the Bears are the sloppier team, and they lose that game.

So and same thing with last week. That's just two wins that, to me, come down to, like, coaching. Like, Ben Johnson is so much better than Matt Eberfluss. The Bears got the ball down two with three minutes seven seconds on the clock.

Washington had all three timeouts, and the Bears ended the game with the field goal. Like, they got Washington to use all their time. Executed. They moved down like, it was a fucking Ben Johnson master class.

Like, just leaning on Deandre Swift. Do Caleb threw a big completion in there. Like, Matt Matt Eberfluss would not have done it. He just would have no idea what to do there. He would've he would've been burning timeouts.

He would've been it's just like night and day. And then seeing that the Bears last year averaged 18 points a game and currently through five games, they're averaging 25. So it's just like Ben Johnson added a touchdown per game already.

It just feels different. It's Yes. They still have a long ways to go. They're still, like, they're not great, but, it's better than whatever it was that I watched the last few years.

It feels better. So And and watching that game, my biggest takeaway, literally, I, like, I I was thinking of this as I was watching it unfold.

It was like, you can begin to see Ben Johnson's fingerprints on their offense, which is a very, very good thing. Yes.

Like, some of the screens they run and just, like, there's creative plays, Like, plays I've always seen other teams do or, like, when I'm watching, like, McVay or Shanahan offenses where I'm like, like, scheming guys open was always a foreign concept of, like, oh, the bears are you can't scheme a guy open.

Like, that's impossible. And now it's like you see certain plays where I'm like, oh, brilliant. So, yeah, that was fun. Beat the saints, go to four and two. And then three kinda NFL takeaways.

My first one was just giants are fun, dart and cam. I mean, yeah. Who knows if it goes anywhere, but just for these moments, it's it's a more electric than, DeVito was. Like, I feel like he had a moment last year, but I don't know.

I think they're just so fun to watch. There was, like, a hilarious clip of them, like, head butting each other after their game, like and they're not saying words. They were just, like, head butting each other.

And, someone had, like, tweeted that video of, like, this is how pit bulls interact with each other. And I was like, yes. That's that's perfect. They're just awesome awesome football players.

I have the resilient Seattle Seahawks led by captain Sam. Donald, you'll lose against a tough one against the Bucks and you have to go to Jacksonville, which they're coming off a big win and they took care of business.

Sam. Donald is having himself a year. Looking at the way their offense is constructed, they're running a lot of double tight ends, and they're it like, it's the offense isn't that complex.

Not a ton of reads, and Darnold's just making every throw. And so it's just incredible. Like, he was taken out to pasture, and then all of a sudden, he's he's one of the league's best quarterbacks this year.

And the Seahawks are legit, and it's fun. I love those kind of stories, and we're experiencing a little bit of that with Daniel Jones.

But like this resurrection, Baker Mayfield, it's like these guys are just like taking out back. And now they're like some of the highest performing quarterbacks in the league.

So shout out to Sam Darnold. Yeah. Situation matters. Like, there are organizations that are better run or, like, just scenarios that are better for certain players.

My next one was Rico Dowdle. The last two games, 234 yards from scrimmage and then 239 yards from scrimmage. As a scrimmage yard fanatic and I'm just a simple man.

You buying his cards yet? I like big numbers. I like when running backs put up big numbers. No. I need, like, at least like, even with, like, Camp Scatab, Camp Scataboe, like like, Bijon.

I didn't start collecting Bijon until after his second year. I was like, I needed two full years of, okay. He's sick. He's consistent. I like watching him play. Now I can start to buy cards.

Because already, I was like, there's enough foundation here for me to want to do that. But, no. Just had to shout him out again. I love scrimmage yards, and to drop almost 500 total yards in a two game span is pretty sick.

I, I gotta shout out Drake May and just how well he's playing him back to, like, situation what you're saying. Like, his situation last year, not great.

Not a good staff team, not very good. And then you bring in Vrabel and Josh McDaniels in this guy. This guy is looking like I was a big Drake May guy coming out of college just in terms of how he looked to make up the throws he made.

I was, like, very high on him. And you're one, you could see maybe glimpses, but his situation sucks so bad. And this year, he's just he's just he's he's pretty damn good, and the Patriots are rolling as much as that pains me to say.

It's been fun to watch him evolve. And for the most part, that crop of quarterbacks, like, your twos are looking pretty decent.

That I was thinking that where, like, Jaden is good. Caleb's looking alright. Drake May's sick. Panics is looking better. JJ, I guess, and Rattler are at the bottom of that.

But you compare that to, like, the 2021 class of, like, Stanks, Trey Lance, Zach Wilson, Justin Fields. Like, those those guys immediately by year two or three were pretty much toast. So I don't know. It's cool to see the next crop.

I feel like Mahomes Allen Lamar is kind of that next one that came after, like, Brady, Manning, Roger, you know, with some overlaps in there. But, yeah, who the who the next guys will be, is exciting to watch for sure.

Last one, last note, the I don't know what's going on NFL scheduling. That Monday Night Football doubleheader where they're at the same time, like, that was pissing me off. I wanted The stag the staggered starts an hour later.

Like, give me the 07:00 and 10PM instead of, like, 07:15 and 08:15. It's annoying, dude. Too much overlap. Yeah. I had the Pacers I had the Pacers preseason on two, and I was literally trying to watch everything at once.

And I was like, this is not not working for me. No. And I was I had the Bears on the TV, but I was watching the Falcons on my phone because Bijan was going ham.

I was like, this is I don't wanna take my eyes off this game, but then I'm not fully focused on the bears, which is doing a disservice to my squad.

So, yeah, I don't know. Just stagger them. And then these these London games, 09:30 is that's early for football.

I feel like those games shouldn't count a full full win. It should be a half a win because only half of the world is half of The United States is paying attention to those games.

I like that. Or just, like, give me a Wednesday night game. Give me a Friday night game. Like, I don't need Sunday 09:30AM. I need something Friday 8PM, which would be Or Tuesday.

Tuesday night football. Yeah. Like, which I guess would inconvenience them playing overseas because they'd be playing at, like, 4AM. But I shouldn't be inconvenienced. They should be inconvenienced.

I shouldn't be having to plan my Sunday around twelve hours of football, which I know. I mean, I do it anyways, but yeah. NFL schedule. Figure it out. The the final one for me is I'm just gonna say the names and the coaches.

Trevor Lawrence, Urban Meyer, Bryce Young, Frank Reich, Caleb Williams, Matt Eberfluss, Cam Ward, Brian Callahan. These are all first overall picks who fired their coaches in the year or one year later.

Can can we figure this out? It this literally shouldn't be that hard. It's like, you should if you're drafting a number one overall pick, and you're you're you're not feeling 100% on board with the coach, get them out of town.

Like, that only disrupts the, the progress and the development of these quarterbacks.

And so I just before the season with Callahan, it was like, he's not gonna last. I'm like, what do you mean he's not gonna last? Like, they just drafted Cam Ward.

Like, shouldn't these two coach and quarterback be tied at the hip? And it's just like, I can't believe after all of these instances, this hasn't been figured out already. The Bears have done it three times in the past ten years.

Like, it's and never it it's not good for anyone. Like, who know like, here I am defending Justin Fields again. But who know like So do you see how many yards he threw for this? That negative 10. That was bad.

That was bad. Like but who know he probably got broken because his very first start in the NFL was, like, four weeks in because they tried to start Andy Dalton, and he played against the Browns, and Miles Garrett killed him.

He they he got sacked, like, nine times in that game. And what I'm saying is maybe that, like, set this trajectory. It broke just Trauma, man. That's traumatic.

Truly traumatic. Like, going from having all the time in the world, slinging the ball to Olave, you know, in the national championship game to getting just pummeled by Miles Garrett over and over while Darnell Mooney can't get open.

You're like, wait. I'm not what am I I'm surrounded by not the best talent anymore.

What is this? And yeah. I don't know. It's just I feel for these young QBs and the Cam Ward thing. Yeah. If if you have a first pick, it means you were really bad last year, which means, like, why is that coach still there?

It's like you have the chance to have a brand new quarterback, pair him with a brand new head coach, kick this whole thing off.

I I can't believe Matt Eberfluss. I despise Matt Eberfluss more and more by the day. Like, it gets It gets to work.

Like, I I you'd think I'd be forgetting him, but it's like when you I imagine, like, get out of an abusive relationship or something and, like, then you're with someone who, like, treats you well and you're like, woah.

You start to, like, reflect and, like, this is I was putting up with that.

I was allowing them to treat me that way. What why didn't I why couldn't I and all your friends were telling you, like, break up with them, break up with them, and you just couldn't do it.

I get it now. I told like and yeah. But I love Ben Johnson. The future. I feel much better about the future. Should we talk about some sales? Yeah.

We've got the MarketWatch segment brought to you by Card Ladder. I saw this one on the on the list, and so I'm gonna let you run with this. And I I I clicked in after I saw this example. I was like, please tell me this is a pop one.

And it was. It's a pop one. It is. This is a 2010 Topps Chrome Gold Refractor Aaron Rodgers PSA 10. I just love this set. I love 2010 Topps Chrome, the golds. I love this design. I love the team name and the big text.

A simple guy. I like shiny gold cards. So, yeah, I don't like Aaron Rodgers, but, like, the gold on gold, like, this card is sick. If I were Packers fan, Rodgers collector, whatever, I would definitely want this.

I have the Jay Cutler 2010. And, yeah, PSA 10, and I looked this sold for $27. 50. It sold I think it was last year. The last sale of it was, like, 1,400, either a year ago or two years ago. Yeah.

$14. 40. That's it. Two years ago, that is a staggering number, which Yeah. I don't it's it's it it's cool. It's like somebody you know? There's only one pop one, and there are a lot of Packers and Rodgers and gold collectors out there.

So it's this happens when you throw one of these bad boys up for auction. Yeah. But, yeah, for it to double in value in the last year is also kind of a just indicator of, I think, people like football cards.

They do. Next one, we have a twenty twelve National Treasures Adrian Peterson Century Materials shield patch one of one b GS95.

This thing sold for $6,600, on Fanatics Weekly. And I looked at it and checked out the sales history of this. This card is sold three times. In May '23, it sold for 2,500.

In August '23, it sold for 2,700. And then in October '25, it's selling for 6,600. So, you know, almost three x in a two, two year period. So I just it it shows, like, the value player running back, by the way.

Don't collect running backs, but it shows the value that people are placing on Shields, one of ones, hall of fame type players and thought that was pretty cool. Yeah. But the shield hole, like, what do you get? Why why that shape?

Make it a little bigger. Like, I don't get it. I just don't understand. It's like they're it's like my daughter when she's playing with one of those shape things where it's like you're trying to fit the square in a round hole, you know.

Yes. Except she's brilliant, so she gets them right. But, she should be working at Panini designing these.

She can match them up. Let's let's see that. Final card here. We've got Prime Deion Sanders in his 1998, flare Brilliance 24 karat gold PSA nine. This card sold for a staggering $11,400.

And, just doing a little sales history on this, we'll do PSA. The last sale of this card was in July '24, sold for $3. Jesus. So do do you think the the word is out on the 24 karat gold parallel out of flare brilliance in football?

My goodness. That is I mean, what an awesome card, though. Yes. I've never I've never owned one of these. There's no Bears players I care to collect from this era, but those look awesome.

Those are so that's such a cool card. That's that's tripled, almost four x though in a year. It's yeah. And the only exposure these really had, you know I don't know. I just think about three years ago.

Like, the only reason I knew about these cards was because of we got I'm looking at a damn squirrel eating our Halloween pumpkins right now. Oh. We've got we've got a porch we got squirrels that keep taking our little ones away.

Dude, they they this is how this October must be like squirrels in the nation. They have to, like, get on, like, a call and there's, like, let's go, guys.

It's that time. This they must this must be their, like, Christmas right now. Well, it's the they're getting ready for they don't hibernate, but they're they're stashing.

They're plotting. They they are plotting. And I wish I was plotting more with these 24 karat golds because the Mannings were in my face in these groups, and I just never dug.

But if I would've dug, man, it would've been it'd be a really good Christmas this year for, my two kids because I'd just be buying everything. But, that is not the case.

But it's fun to see. These cards are amazing in hand. I've never owned one, but shout out to all you nineties collectors who are all about the 24 karat golds. Yep. That'll do it. Time for the card callout. I've been loving the colors.

It's been good, man. We did red and blue so far. Last week was blue cards. It's just, I don't know, fun way to see certain teams, certain, parallels, certain sets, certain just what people consider blue or not.

A lot of lot of o two which I participated, but the o two finest in the blue, that was there were so many that came out. That's what I posted on. I would and I'll address Chris, c dice cards.

He, because I had said that his Ed Reed I go, that's not blue. It's purple. It is purple. Did a poll if it's blue or purple, but the o two finest background matches the team color on every card.

The Ravens are purple. So it might look blue in the scan, but that's a purple card. So, penalty to Chris. Minus five points. Penalty? Minus five. That's not too bad. That which gets me to another part.

I wanna we're gonna start giving out points. So everyone who asked a question, five points. If we read your question, 10 points. And if you submit a card to the card callout, five points. So start stacking some points.

Chris, you're in the hole negative five. Sorry, bud. But, what what what what's the winner get at the end the at the end of the season? What does the winner get? You you'll you gotta stick around to find out.

I love it. The mystery. Get the points. First come the points, then comes step two is undisclosed. Step three, big prize. Alright. Thank you for listening to the Football Card Podcast. We will see you next week.