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Yeah. There is something tempting about, you know, walking out at the peak. Like, I under should we bury Sanders it and just end it after this episode and it's just done? Leave leave the people wondering what if?

Well, there I mean, it could would be the the very symbolic thing to do would be and I know we're talking about him and one of his cards today would be 12 episodes in in the prime, Andrew Luck style right on top and just Wow.

But then people would have said, what if what if the football card podcast kept doing episodes?

Where would my life be today? I I thought you're going with number 12 was Brady where we're switching teams and, like, maybe we go to the, you know, sports card investor podcast network for for a couple episodes and then retire.

Won't be doing that, but, let's let's let's get into it. Alright. Episode 11. We gotta do it.

We've gotta talk elevens. Who comes to mind for you when you see the one one? You know, it's not a happy one, but it's one that is very pivotal pivotal to the development of me as a football fan. And and it is Jeff George.

Oh. And my earliest memories of being a Colts fan weren't great ones. The Colts were always blacked out locally because they socked and they couldn't sell out. And the only only way they could score was a Dean Biasucci field goal.

Lot of Biasucci field goals nonstop at the Hoosier Dome, which then would be the RCA Dome. But Jeff George was our quarterback during this era, and there was not a more unlikable quarterback than Jeff George.

My dad hated Jeff George, and I hated Jeff George because my dad he was in arrogance, you know, very you know, we talked about Vanderjag and how he's a, you know, liquored up kicker.

Jeff George, he's just kind of an asshole who just, you know, had a big cannon, but also loved to throw the ball to the other team.

So yeah. Jeff George, I don't like you. I know you probably played better when you were with the Raiders, but, number 11 that I just wanna forget.

Wow. Two first names. Can't trust them. What about you? I'm looking up Jeff George stats right now. Yeah. He yeah. Journeyman is what I remember him. I don't remember really the Colts the Colts days, but the Good.

The Raiders and then Minnesota and Washington. Yeah. I have no no thoughts on Jeff George, but I had to go look up. Well, I didn't have to look up, but Larry Fitzgerald, number 11, is one that stands out as well as Julio Jones.

That's a cup that's a strong couple receivers there, and Julian Edelman. I'd say those were the big three that stood out for number 11, verified via Pro Football card reference.

I did not trust the AI for this one. I had to go back to the basics and do the the searching myself. You you know who could have been a part of this list last week and now is not a part of this list?

Do you know who that is? Who? Micah Parsons. Oh. Moving from moving from eleven to one. Yeah. He's just kind of washed and old, I feel like. And I'm just waxed.

Up. They don't know what's going on with his spine. A lot of question marks around him, so not a player I care to highlight. Oh, I did see some cool Micah Parsons cards. Ragnar cards posted his 24 black finite, which was cool.

It's you know, whenever there's big news, it's people like to share their cards, and that's kinda fun. Yeah. Paying him more than Mahomes though, that's crazy. So you're you're on team Jerry's right.

I think Jerry knows what he's doing. I think Jerry's big brain in the wrestling. Let's get on. Let's get on with the podcast. Alright. Just a couple numbers from these players I want to throw out there, though.

I feel like everyone knows Fitzgerald's longevity. The highest high, though, was just never that high for Larry. I feel like that's the one maybe drawback where his best season ever is, 1,431 yards, 12 touchdowns. That was 2,008.

First team all pro, and then, though, he had that playoff run-in o eight where four games, he had 546 yards, seven touchdowns. That was an electric run that I feel like put Larry into the national spotlight a little more.

He I mean, he was already a big name coming out of college, but then from there continued to just be so solid and ended with 17,492 receiving yards and a 121 touchdowns.

It's pretty crazy. That's a a great career. And, conversely, Julio Jones, the one thing I was thinking about Julio Jones that I think is almost a knock, no touchdowns for Julio.

He only had 66 touchdowns in his career, which is surprising with how big and how his peak was unreal, but he only had one season ever with double digit touchdowns.

So I I thought that was interesting, the the lack of TDs from old Julio.

I as a former Fantasy Football player, I remember that being the point of contention with Julio where he'd always have, like, a 150 yards, but he would wouldn't get it wouldn't get in the end zone, and people would be all upset about, that.

But, yeah, it that's interesting. You just always attribute, like, if a player has this many yards, they've gotta have this many touchdowns and not just not the case with Julio Jones.

I don't think it really, like, impacts his I mean, I think he's one of the best receivers of this era regardless of the touchdowns. Yeah.

But that's just interesting how, like, you would think there'd be a breakthrough at some point, or, like, I understand there's certain down years, but to always just kinda average, you know, five touchdowns a year is maybe they were just tripling them in the red zone.

I don't know. Shanahan couldn't figure it out in the red zone. That's I think there's evidence of that somewhere.

But episode 11, we made it. We're here. Let's get into it. We asked you to ask us questions, and you all delivered on short notice too. Threw that out, last night, and here we are the next morning reading these questions.

We gotta start with Drake's PC, who is two weeks in a row sub subbing questions. Love the consistency there. He says, we all love to share our acquisition stories.

The chase, the DMs, negotiation, and the mail days are some of the best parts of the hobby. But for each of you, share a story where you tried to acquire a card privately, but it didn't work out.

Did you move on from the card, or is it one that's still on your want list? Also, what lessons did you learn from it that you later applied or will apply to future acquisition targets? One came to my mind, and it's the most recent one.

And this card, it was right before the national. And there was a collector friend of mine who I don't this is a weird territory, so I'm just gonna not identify the collector just because I don't I don't know if he has the card still.

I don't know. Don't wanna blow his cover, but he had a o two finest patent gold refractor out of 25 in his collection.

That pre national, he was looking to trade that card into something else. Now I when I found out it was available, I've always wanted to pair one of the gold refractors with my x fracture.

And so I I, you know, Slendu is DMs, and we started talking. And I threw out a, I said, this is what I I I will pay you this for this card, and we can close the deal with the national.

He wanted more. And as I dug in, there was a lot of reasons to validate him wanting more. And he also said, you know, I I'm I wanna trade it.

I wanna use this to trade into something else. And so it was in that moment that I realized that I might not ever be in the market for one of these cards based on my desire for one paired with what the going rate currently is.

And it for me, it's it's just really hard. And what I learned from this, it's like, it's really challenging for me to pay, several thousands dollars.

Maybe several is an understatement, but thousands of dollars for a card that I've got in my eyes with the x factor being the first year x factor and being lower print run, I I would say that is the more desirable card.

I'm now gold people could challenge that. But to me, I'll I've got the better card, and I'm fine with that.

And it's just really hard for me to pay the asking price for some of these cards when there's 25 copies, especially when I'm in this world of buying one of ones and buying golds out of 10.

And so that was, like, the the the moment after, like, that didn't happen. I was like, well, maybe the the ship has sailed for that because I'm not chasing what he's looking for.

I'm not saying, okay. I got to because there's maybe an opportunity when the market's not ripping like it is today, that one pops up, and I'm able to get it more around the range of what I feel comfortable with.

Yeah. It's like you don't feel the pressure to have to get that one, like, as soon as possible. There that's one that there others will pop up.

I mean, it's not a super frequently transacted card, but I follow o two finest very closely. And, like, Manning, Moss, and Brady do tend to transact kind of frequently. Maybe Brady not as much, but one of his x factors did just sell.

And, I mean, his golds are hard to find, but I I don't know. I feel like that yes. To your point, that's one that likely will show its rear its head again, and you can maybe get it at a different point.

Before before you respond, I wanna, like, a nerdy o two finest, thread that I can pull on with you. Do you think there is an opportunity with the refractors out of two fifty PSA tens of those, like, based on pop count of players?

Do you think that that might be, a way to, you know, buy into some value? Or or have you thought about that before?

You're blowing my cover. I have a whole whole project of that. No. I've been buying those refractors anytime they pop up, because there's the pops are so low, and it's a fun way to collect that set.

Like, I'm trying to have one card of every player of the veterans in that set, like either a refractor, their x factor, or their gold.

And there are certain players I just I'm never gonna get a Brady Gold or X Factor, so getting his refractor in a PSA 10 to me is a part of that. Like, that's something I would want to do. Same with Manning.

Basically, all the hall of fame guys. Like, I love that set, but it's after getting all of that after seeing how cheap it was to, like, how expensive it is now, it just wasn't isn't worth it to me personally to go for those.

Like, that's why I just sold I had a o two x fracture, Terrell Davis, that I sold because I have his refractor.

And I'm like, alright. I still have my TD representation. That's really what I'm trying to do here, but I don't need his x factor.

Same thing with I had a Marvin Harrison gold o two finest at one point that I sold because I was like, I'm not that connected to Marvin. I can have his refractor, and that scratches the itch for me.

So, yeah, I definitely think the refractors out of two fifty, are fun to collect. I'm trying to do that myself a little bit. So, but I've already made enough progress that I'm fine telling people about it.

So Okay. We'll we'll try not to blow any more covers here. But what is your response to the Drake question? I guess, to me, this was hard because the nonacquisitions don't like, they're not in my Instagram feed.

I can't like, just trying to remember, like, old ones is was hard for me, because those don't really come with the lessons and learnings that landing a card can bring.

Because it's like, I offered money for a card. They said no. That's kind of it.

There is one card out there that I'm still after that I know who has it, and I check-in periodically. I haven't, like, moved on. Like, it's definitely a card I would still want, but I'm also maybe okay if I never own it.

That's just part of it. Like, I wanna be able to just enjoy my cards and not just be sitting there thinking of, like, oh, my collection sucks because I don't have this one card, and let it become, like, an obsession.

So, but my main learning from that situation is that this very card was on eBay for a while, and I knew about it, but it was just priced really high.

And, also, at the time, I didn't it was a super factor. I didn't fully grasp what it was. Like, it would have just been, like, 10 times the price I paid for any other card of this player.

So I was like, that's crazy. I don't need that card. And then it sold, and I was as I learned more and grasped what it was, then the regret set in.

So I don't know. I think part of it is just you gotta take your lumps to learn in this hobby, and, the nonacquisitions just, hopefully, yeah, teach you a a more about, educating yourself on these sets and collecting.

But, yeah, that and then one other one that did come to mind is my 2012 Gold Prism j Cutler. So someone had sent me a screenshot of someone selling that on Facebook, and I went back and looked.

And I was messaging them in March 2023 trying to get the card from them, and I offered $200 for this Jay Cutler twenty twelve gold prism and which at the time wasn't, like, crazy, like, lowball.

It was, like, the it it was kind of in line where some of those had been selling.

I had just gotten his twenty thirteen gold prism for, like, a $100. I was like, here, I'll offer you 200 for the 2012. And the guy never responded, which that's fine.

And then fourteen months later, in May '24, I messaged him, and I'm like, hey. Do you still have that Jay Cutler card? And he still did, and then talked to him and found out he had pulled it from a box himself.

So that was pretty cool, and I ended up buying it from him for $550. So, you know, at that point, I was really convicted to go get a 2012 prism gold cutler.

So I was just like, I'll do whatever it takes to get that done. So, but, yeah, there was a fourteen month gap in there where I thought I didn't get the card or I had lost it.

So maybe that's another lesson of just staying persistent. And if you know where a card is, yeah, just keep checking in and make an offer that feels fair.

And then maybe sometimes you gotta make an offer that feels like it's a little crazy. Well, now you're sitting pretty. Did you hear about that guy who bought the Jay Cutler Black Finite for 12 k?

That's gotta do great things for your gold. Everything is booming, baby. Cutler market's on fire, they're saying. Great question, Drake. Thank you. And speaking of that card, so next up, this is from MJM Sports Cards.

Said, might already be a part of the conversation, but I'd be interested to hear PAC's experience with the cards he auctioned this past weekend, not necessarily in terms of dollars, but did the results line up with his expectations?

Were there any unexpected hurdles along the way? And does he have any advice for collectors who haven't gone through that process yet, but hopefully might in the future? So, yeah, I guess I'll just talk about this really quickly.

I auctioned 12 cards through Wharf in effort to pay for the Jay Cutler black finite, and I've been pretty transparent about this whole thing, so I figured I might as well finish it out.

But those cards sold and, I mean, I still don't have the card. I don't know if everything's paid for yet, so all of this is, in theory for now.

But the total of those 12 cards was just over $13,000, which blew away my expectations. And I went back and looked, and I was into all of those cards for $4,326.

So but what what I want the or what I don't want the takeaway from this whole thing to be about is money, which I know sounds weird because I keep talking about it, and there have been headlines about this sale.

But my point is, like, some of those cards that I sold, I've had for four plus years.

And, like, I really returned to the hobby and started really spending money, like, peak 2021 boom. I'm talking, like, spring twenty twenty one, MJ FLIR '86 is going for 720 k, like, that era, the absolute top.

And my first couple years back in the hobby, prices were just kinda going down. Like, it was an unstable time. It was kinda felt dodgy. I've definitely lost money trying to, like, chase players I was investing in, all of that.

So my focus became relatively cheap cards in an area that I loved and felt was overlooked, and that was just early two thousands running backs. So I kinda, like, settled down in that lane.

And over the years, I built up a collection there that slowly appreciated in value, and that collection in itself had many consolidations and shifts. But the focus was just, like, these certain cards to represent a certain idea.

And so I say all that to say, I hope the takeaway from this whole color thing isn't, like, go out and overpay for a black finite, but it's, like, find an area you're interested in and collect it and get excited about it and, like, build up a collection.

And eventually those cards you can turn into something else or, you know, like, that that to me is the bigger point than just spending a lot of money on a finite.

It's like, I I was able to do that from these cards that I've had for a long time that have appreciated in value.

The reason I had those cards is because I was just collecting in a certain area. So, just wanted that to kinda maybe be the takeaway from this experience.

Because, you know, four years ago, if I had just been buying the cards that were making the headlines instead of going down my own path, I would have probably gotten burned even more badly than, I was.

And so as we're entering this kind of uncharted territory in the hobby market, it kind of feels similar.

So I'm just saying my advice to anyone listening who might be relatively new to collecting, like, you know, find what excites you and, like, collect that.

Don't just, like, see, oh, headline, Black Finite. That means I have to buy black Finite because that that Cutler, that could have been the top. I don't know. Like, I I just think, collect what collect what you like.

I've always found that when you collect stuff that is personal to you and you have a reason for it, like, I know you had the running back collection that was part of, you know, you had to give up part of that in order to, you know, pay for this color.

The having that arsenal, it makes it so hard when you have to give up those cards.

But in terms of value, I have always found, like, the cards that perform well during the consolidation process and big consolidation process are usually the ones that I'm connected to the most and are painful to get rid of.

But they also then perform the best in the auctions as opposed to the cards that I'm buying because I think people will like them down the road.

But those cards usually don't perform as well. At least that's how it's been for me. Yeah. Same.

And, like, yeah, like, right now during this era, kind of I'm thinking of what is a set that like, I wanna find a new lane almost too of what's something that I can and, I mean, maybe it's 2,002 refractors where it's, like, $15 for a Terrell Davis refractor.

Like, yeah. That that feels good to me. It's like, I don't think that's gonna plummet. You know? Like, finding the things that are, like, so not even just undervalued, I guess, but, like, I don't know.

Just there's cheap options out there that you can, over time, build a collection. And then if you want to have that collection, you can turn it into something else. But, just saying there's other opportunities out there.

And two other quick points from this question. He asked if there were any hurdles along the way. I'd say the biggest hurdle is right now where I just have none of the cards that were involved in this whole thing.

So, like, I still don't have the cutler because it's a long process, and I knew that going into it and, you know, I hopefully have it within the next week or so.

But now I also don't have any of those cards that I sold, which I'm, like, you know, having doubts of, like, damn it.

Those cards were sick. Why did I sell them? And I don't even have the color to, like, look at to to ease that, those doubts or that pain.

So I'm kinda just in this in between where all of a sudden my collection is, like, 30 cards less than it was a couple month a month ago, and I don't have the new card, yet.

So that is, I would say, the biggest hurdle. And then he said, any advice for collectors who haven't gone through that process yet but hopefully might in the future?

And kind of piggybacking off what I was saying, but I don't think you have to view it as, like, a hopeful thing. Like, enjoy the cards you have. It doesn't always have to consolidate into something.

I'd still come back to this take where consolidation is like anti collecting, where in a way, it's like I had a cool collection of running backs that now I no longer have because I have one card that's like a piece of a different collection.

And so it's almost like my bear's collection it's like I killed a collection for one card of another collection.

So my bear's collection is becoming a symbol of other dead collections, which is a collection in itself. But, Yeah. I mean, I just don't think it the end goal always has to be consolidation.

I think in this particular ins like, instance, that card checked all the boxes for me where where I wanted to sell a lot of what I had to get this one card, but I don't think that has to be the goal for everyone.

I think part of collecting is, you know, getting a quantity of stuff that that fits together.

So As a card carrying member of the Pro consolidation union, here in the Indianapolis chapter, we have our meetings on Thursday. So if you wanna come hang out and talk about consolidation, just slide into the DMs.

My my take in response to that is I while what you're going through and what you describe makes sense and it's kind of anti collecting, it can be. I feel like consolidation is a way that where the cream always rises to the top.

So while the running back collecting was a big piece of your identity and what you enjoyed, it you you sacrifice that to help illuminate your North Star, which is your Chicago Bears collecting.

And your Chicago Bears collection just, you know, if it was let's just say, we had the power rankings of all the Chicago Bears collectors.

And let's say you were maybe thirty seventh in the universe. Like, you have plummeted all the way up, and now you might be, you know, competing for a top 10 spot because of that one card.

So I always try to look at it, like, from that lens when I have to go through the sacrifice of getting rid of, stuff in my collection. That means a lot to me.

No. That that is a fair point. It's it's all because I don't have the card right now. So I'm just I feel like Will Smith in the the meme of him standing in the empty house in Fresh Prince where it's like because I love that.

I I love running backs, and that collection was, like, such a defining part of, like, my collecting journey over the past four years was I wanted a really cool rare finest card of someone who led the league in rushing, and I no longer have that.

So it's like, I no longer have that. I don't even have this color yet. What am I doing in this hobby? So, yeah, I just can't wait to get that card.

That's that's all it is. Thank you for the question. That that's that's the latest update. From roundtree 13 cards, if you could put any QB on the bears or Colts, which QB are you taking for the next five years?

I don't even have to think twice about it. I'm I'm I'm picking Josh Allen. And a lot of that, obviously, is the reigning MVP. And, yeah, he doesn't have any championships, but maybe a change of scenery, you know, move to Indianapolis.

And I would literally, I'd I could do any stupid task for the for for as long as you want to get Josh Allen to be a quarterback. And I know all you bills fans out there are like shut your mouth.

He'll never leave, which you're probably right. But 29 years old, man. When I watch football, that like player who's like enjoying it and doing supernatural things, I'm attracted to.

And I've said this, like, Josh Allen reminds me of, like, this combination between Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck, and it's like, I gravitate to watching him.

I think he's just spectacular in every way possible. Now that doesn't discredit all the other quarterbacks that could have been answered here. There's certainly a lot of good ones that I would love to have on the team.

But just in terms of fan, like, I'm just such a fan of him as a person and what he does on the field. I'm going Josh Allen. Yeah. I said, I feel like I have to take Mahomes, but Burrow Burrow and Allen are right there.

I just love I think Joe Burrow is so sick and so cool. So I like Joe Burrow and Josh Allen. Like, I would take any of those three guys and Lamar easily, but Yeah.

I feel like One of those guys is the acceptable answer. It's one of those guys. And I just think back of, like, you know, fifteen years ago, if you asked who would you rather have, Brady, Manning, Rodgers.

You know, it's kinda like Yeah. You can't go wrong, but then you feel bad not picking the guy that won seven Super Bowls or, like, the it's like, alright.

I gotta just take the kinda the sure thing here. But But you get it you get into that zone, though, and it's like, well, if they aren't on that team, are they gonna have the same success?

And then that's where you get really, like those are where the fights happen online where, you you know, the discourse of, like, well, how could you do that?

Like, you can't imagine him on another team. He's already got seven trot. And Yeah. That's I I kinda play that in my head where I I that's why I didn't like I didn't dock Allen because he hasn't won a championship.

I just took into consideration, like, how I feel about him and his stats as a player. Yeah. And that is a very valid point because I've always said or when the Bears get grief for passing on Mahomes.

I'm always thinking if Mahomes went to the Bears, he would have been a bust. He would not be the Patrick Mahomes we know today. And that's a fact.

Like that is just the coming at, like, that draft class, I wanted Deshaun Watson. That's who I wanted the Bears to take. It was Mahomes was not really even on the radar. His NFL comp before he was drafted was Jay Cutler.

People were like, he's got this big arm, but he kinda, like, does off schedule shit and runs around and tries to play hero ball sometimes. Like, that or, like, that and the Bears did not want another Jay Cutler.

They wanted someone totally different, so they went out and got Trubisky. But the point being, if Mahomes had been the pick, he's not throwing 50 touchdowns in his first year starting and doing all the things that he did in Kansas City.

Like, that worked because Andy Reid was there and because a good offense was already there, and he learned for a year behind Staying behind Alex Smith.

That's valuable. You know? He had the perfect, like, situation. And, I mean, in hindsight, it looks perfect.

It could've yeah. There's so many different variables, but I just know if one thing's for certain, it's that if the Bears had drafted Mahomes second overall, he would be out of the league by now.

So but Josh Allen, now you got me thinking like, if there was just a team full of, like, generic players, like, all the exact every variable is the exact same, and you plug Josh Allen in on one and Mahomes in on the other.

Yeah. Josh Allen feels like he could he could pull that one off. I I Patrick Mahomes Patrick Mahomes is a system quarterback.

That's what we're doing at here. Oh, no. I'm not I'm not cosigning that. Do not put my name on that. And and none of this is to disparage Patrick Mahomes, I think, from my perspective, but I don't know.

Yeah. I don't know. I saw a graphic that, that, like, Baker's last two seasons versus Mahomes' last two seasons, and, like, Baker's numbers are all better. So I don't know.

Maybe we should we need to invite Hozh on here because he he might have, Brock Purdy enter the conversation based on stats and analytics. So Yeah. Might do that. I'm the Mahomes last year didn't even throw for 4,000 yards.

People give the bears grief for not doing that. Mahomes couldn't even do that last year. And, the Chiefs went fifteen and one last year. I I do not remember that. Lot of close games. Yeah. That's right. That's right.

But yeah. Under 4,000 yards, 26 touchdowns, 11 picks. That was fifteen and two, wasn't it? Oh, I guess this was Mahomes' starting record. So, yeah, they there must have been a game he didn't play, like, last game of season.

Last game. Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, it's Mahomes washed, and he was assistant quarterback guy. I I would I I'm not betting on that. No. Great question. Thank you for that one.

Roundtree, 13 cards. Next up, this is from Paul k zero three one zero. I'm trying to collect and be loyal to my North Star, but what if your team never finds that franchise guy at quarterback? And how do you not chase the hype?

How long did it take either of you to figure out how not to chase the next hype? That's what I struggle with. Anyways, thanks in advance for reading, and I appreciate the podcast. I felt like I was chasing the hype for such a long time.

And, luckily, once the Colts drafted Richardson, which the way the hobby was, the young quarterback became like currency from the flipper audience. And I was just seeing the movement and the dollars go up.

And I had learned, although I'm really excited about this player and he's my quarterback and he's a part of the Colts, which is a huge part of my collection, don't go fall into that trap.

And when I mean fall in the trap, it's like spending, you know, 5 to $10,000 on one of his big cards. And I was like, I I just can't do that. I I don't wanna sacrifice because of the uncertainty.

And so, what I learned through this process is that for me, it's much more about the team, the set, and the parallels than it is the, like, player itself or the potential of the player itself.

And I think that's what I've evolved evolved to as a collector. And I think it's like this three year window with quarterbacks.

Now going into this third year, I, you know, I bought his second year prism gold, you know, early, paid a few $100 for that. And then I we talked about the Nebula, which is more expensive.

And I I, you know, I I still like I'm I'm good with that because it's a part of my collection. But yeah. It's it's hard because we get excited and we always think of, like, best case scenario.

But I don't know. You gotta really pay attention to the market. Dude, I see with the second year quarterbacks now, dude, what these cards are going for.

And it just it's it's it's crazy, and it it's like a good reminder to me of, like, I'm glad I'm not playing in that space because it's like a ticking time bomb, and that bomb could go off as soon as Sunday for many of these holders.

And that bomb could be them winning a Super Bowl. And their prices go down because all of the supply hits the market.

Like, that's a bigger takeaway from me as well of watching Mahomes' market over the years where even after he won one, it didn't, like, just shoot his prices straight up.

Like, it took winning two like, the that gap in between one and two and three, his prices came down.

So I don't know. I think the whole prospect and quick flipping game, I think it can work too if you're, like, at shows every weekend. Yeah. Like, if you're transacting very quickly.

But if you're just at home buying stuff online trying to do that, I think it's way harder because you could Dude. Buy something and not get it for a couple weeks, and then you're trying to sell and you missed your window.

Like, if you're gonna play in that world, I feel like it's just really hard to do where you're kind of, doing it as, like, a side project.

Like, the the kids who are out there, like, again, going to all the shows and stuff, like, good for them.

Like, go go do that. And I I see how that game works. But, yeah, once you factor in, like, just shipping and all the waiting, it just becomes much more risky, I think, to play in that world.

Your point about the being at shows to to offload those cards is an excellent one, just like any of the bigger cards that get put on content or by vloggers.

It they're they're they're holding the card it shows, but their number one priority is to get rid of it as soon as possible.

Yeah. And then when and in person, like, margins become different where you're not paying shipping and, like, fees and taxes and, like, you you could take that incremental, like, 5% gain and be happy with it.

But once you're shipping and insurance, all of that goes away. And so I don't know. It's just that's a hard way to make a living.

It is possible. But, yeah, it takes takes volume, and it takes selling, like, in person. Mhmm. And what else? What do you say? How long did it take you to figure out not to chase the next type?

It took me a couple years. I was buying dumb shit for a while. Like, I remember buying a Matthew Stafford rookie Topps Chrome refractor PSA 10 for, like, $1,500, and this was before they won the Super Bowl.

It was, like, right when Stafford went there. I was like, I think Stafford could win a Super Bowl. I think the Rams have a good situation. So I spent a lot of money on this Matthew Stafford card, and they won the Super Bowl.

And I ended up selling that card for a loss because all these other Stafford cards came out, and I was like, what what what am I doing? Like, why do I have I don't even care about Matthew Stafford like that. He's in a lion's uniform.

Like, it's all these things that I wouldn't normally collect, but I thought that I was making this smart right move and it not it it working out the way I thought it could, which is him winning a Super Bowl, and to still lose money on it was like, get me out of here.

Let me go buy $20 Priest Holmes cards that are just chilling. Losing money on cards you don't care about is the best wake up call of all time. Yes. And then, like, he says, if your team never finds a franchise QB, I mean, come on, guy.

You're talking to talking to someone live in that world, and it's I guess the answer is to obsess over the mediocre quarterbacks that relative to the team are like, Jay Cutler is my Tom Brady for bears collecting.

So, you know, you just gotta find, gotta find whatever connects to you. So if there's any player that you've ever personally been excited about that the hobby's not hype about, like, collect them anyways.

Like, don't don't worry about what everyone else is doing. That's that's my takeaway advice. And final question from one pride p c nine. Discuss how the market of quarterbacks on the hall of fame bubble will fare over time.

Everybody talks about how the GOAT's long term market is great, but how the how the new quarterback market is terrible, but nobody talks about how markets of QB such as Philip Rivers, Eli Manning, Matthew Stafford, and Matt Ryan, all of which have a case to be hall of famers, but no one talks about their long term market outlooks over time.

Love the pod, by the way. New listener. You guys help me get through my shift at work. Love hearing that. Love hearing where people are listening to the football card podcast on runs, on road trips to weddings, at a work shift.

Gotta love that. But, yeah, Brett, I guess, how do you feel about the markets of QBs such as Philip Rivers, Eli Manning, Matthew Stafford, and Matt Ryan? A couple of these guys you have some experience with.

I love this zone. And I I don't necessarily think that the hall of fame is, like, make or break for this zone. Mostly because I think what matters more and I'm on this, like, I'm, like, hitting this drumbeat.

The the sets matter way more than, like, a player's catalog and where these players are in those sets. Like, I I I don't know if he was mentioned, but I think of, like, these four players together. I think of Stafford. I think of Ryan.

I think of Eli Manning, and I think of Philip Rivers. Like, all of those players, I feel like my they don't have the biggest, collector bases, but there are collectors. But those collectors who collect their stuff really love them.

And so, like, whenever I see those things and those signals, I think that really matters. But I think it's, like, a fantastic way to collect. Like, you can like, I have so much admiration for Philip Rivers, have collected him.

And I just would, like, look at the cards and the sets he were was in and be like, wow. I can get this Rivers card for, a pennies on the dollar in comparison to like the Manning's or the Brady's.

And the the the gap between like a guy like Ryan or a guy like Rivers and a player like Manning or Brady is so extreme that I don't know.

You get into this conversation with yourself where you're just like, well, I actually, like, was on the other side of watching Philip Rivers beat Peyton Manning several times, and then look at his career numbers.

And then, wow, he was actually on my team for season. I love them. And it's like, I know his franchise moved or whatever, but I don't know.

There's a lot of when you're talking about, like, dollars spent in joy, like, Rivers was in so many great sets. And he's just a hell of a competitor. I think he's a hall of famer too.

But, yeah, I just I'm pro collecting in the zone, especially if it's like you can go start building a collection of a player that, you're super fond of and brings you, good memories whether he was on your team or not. Yeah. Yeah.

Agreed. I mean, I think there's just waves to this whole thing where maybe the mainstream is not talking about those kinds of guys, but in a few years, they become more nostalgic. And, yeah, there'll be certain sets and you're right.

Sets will drive everything. Like, five years from now and Eli Manning 2012, Prism Black Finite comes up for auction, like, that could you know, all of a sudden, there's a big sale and a big number, and everyone's like, what's going on?

Why haven't I been collecting Eli Manning? Like, they'll or just he gets inducted in the hall of fame.

That could be a catalyst. There's all sorts of things. It's harder to maybe see it now, especially as we close in on week one kickoff where it is so exciting to watch players on TV and also have their cards.

Like, I totally understand that appeal. But it's like if you're doing that, like and then you also or I guess if you're sitting there thinking like, hey.

These four guys are undervalued. Why isn't anyone talking about this? It's like, just go buy them. Don't worry about if people aren't talking about it or not yet.

Just like if you think you see a lane and you're excited about it, and that's part of the fun thing too. It's, like, feeling like you're ahead of the curve or, like, seeing something that no one else has seen.

Like, it's how I felt when I was collecting these running backs. I was like, why isn't no one else is doing this? I might as well do this. And then eventually those appreciated, and I was able to turn them into something else.

So maybe that's what you could do here. Or or you stick and stay in those lines, and you become a Stafford guy, a Ryan guy. Like, just collect what you like, and that's it.

The the final note for me on this is go you look at all those players we mentioned, and you look at Eli, and Eli is the quarterback GOAT of the Giants, Rivers, Chargers, GOAT, Ryan, Falcons' best player of all time.

No question about it. Stafford is an interesting one because still beloved in Detroit, won a championship in LA. So the I just think of fan base.

Like, there's a connection to those guys forever amongst certain fan bases, then you pair that with sets that continue to elevate in time. And it's a football card podcast, John, but I'm gonna say this right now.

I'm gonna, like, be very adamant about this. This era that we are in right now and this it'll close the door, this Panini era. This is the era of football cards. Football is the most popular sport.

Football card collecting is at an all time high. And I just think, like, there's just a few things you can just look at. And if you love these guys, like, go buy them because I think you'll be okay in the long run. Yeah.

It's like, that's the least volatile stuff too. It's like, go buy a fill Philip Rivers isn't tanking. It's like prices. Like, if that's, you know, something you're concerned about or any sort of factor. Just, yeah, just go buy them.

Alright. Thank you for questions, everybody. As always, the football card pod on Instagram. DM us questions. We do a call out every week. But if you just if you're at work and something pops into your head, feel free to fire off a DM.

We will discuss it on the show. But moving into collecting updates, what are some current collecting projects that you're focusing your resources on?

Brett, anything on your front? I made a deal this week. Let's go. And this is maybe I'll share some feedback for everyone.

And I'm gonna shout out Ragnar cards. I already shouted them out once. Shout them out a second time because, today, I think I'm waiting for FedEx or USPS to come to hand me my new card that I bought from Ragnar.

And that card is the black finite, out of prism. So it is his one of one. I have the gold, the gold vinyl, and we're we've got the trio. As a Colts fan going into the season, I'm certainly very, very bullish on Latu.

I I I'm very excited to watch him in year two. I think he's got a lot of ingredients. Obviously, my collection consists of a prism collection of Colts players, Black Finites being the mountain top of that.

And I'll say this, this card was up for auction, earlier January, I think it was. And I I was, like, been reflecting on this. I'm like, did I fall asleep when this auction, was running?

Did or did I just purchase a bunch of cards and, like, was out on that auction? Because this card has all the elements, and I just can't figure remember, like, why I didn't get it initially.

And so I've been pissed off about this. But recently, like, I posted, like, a lot to card and Ragnar, like, posted this card and to remind me or to show me he had it. And I was like, oh my god. And this was, like, a month or months ago.

I was like, dude, I want that card. And he was like, yeah. I'm not selling it. I'm like, damn it. And I couldn't stop thinking about this card. And I can't remember how the correspondence went if I was checking back in or what.

But, anyways, I was under the impression that the card might be available. And whenever you give me a little window, dude, I just said I was like, well, what do you want for it? And, you know, we're just that's not really for sale.

So it's like, okay. I I've I've talked about this enough. I want the card. I'm gonna offer you $1,500 for it. $1,500, which is more than double the public sale, in January. And Ragnar said, let me think about it.

And we got the deal done. Happy camp happy camper for him. Right? He just profited on this slot two card. Happy for me because I'm happy to pay that, and then there's my collection, and I'm excited.

I really wanted I'm not a, like, map cards to a performance, but, like, I just wanted this card before the season if my instincts are true about the performance of this player. And so, anyways, it all worked out for all parties.

But, like, my final note on this is, like, some I say this a lot, but, like, people who say they're not gonna sell a card or not ready to sell a card, it might be they might be ready down the road because, like, another purchase or a card they like better pops up.

And I think I might have caught Ragnar in one of those instances where it was just, like, right timing. And so that was my pickup. I'm like, I'm really pumped up to get this card.

Like, this is I'm fired up. It it it checks all the boxes for me. So, yeah, once I get that card, I'll I'll hopefully, I'll get it before this goes live, and I'll post it, but pumped for that one.

That's awesome. Congrats. And you said you have the gold and the gold vinyl? Yes. That's the trio right there. Yes. It's a and, like, there there is something about the the the rookie finite of it all, like, having the rookie card.

Like, it gets me pretty fired up. Yeah. And, like, again, I always think about the I can't remember. Whoever has the gold Jokic prism gold rookie in a binder.

Mine cycle. Mine cycle. Yeah. And it's just like he got that because he's a nuggets collector and just is buying the nuggets rookies as they come out. And it just so happens one of them becomes one of the greats.

Great. Yeah. In the league, it's like, hey. He Lottu might not work out, but if he becomes even just, like, a 10 sack a year guy for five years, that's gonna be so fun to have his card and, like, watch him.

You don't need him to be, like, the best ever for that to bring enjoyment. No. Not at all. What about you? I've got nothing. It's been honestly kinda nice to just sit on the sidelines of these past couple weeks.

I mean, I've had a couple random, like, binder purchases here and there, but for the most part, I've just been I was waiting for those auctions to end and just kind of enjoying the whole process.

Like, the anticipation is so much of this whole hobby, like, waiting till this card arrives and what's it gonna feel like.

And I know once it gets here, it's gonna be awesome, and I'm gonna look at it a ton. But then eventually, I'm just gonna put it in my box and put the box away and sit down on my couch and be like, okay.

Now what? Like, it's kinda like once I get the card, the whole thing comes to an end, and I have to then figure out what my next move is.

So I'm just kinda savoring this time where, I can, like, be content with not buying any things because the the void is, going to be filled by this color card once it arrives.

But then after that, I don't I don't know what will be next for me. But yeah. And just this market's crazy right now. And I I'm not saying, like, don't buy things or be fearful or any of that, but I just I don't know.

And maybe it is it's just nothing has popped up that has screamed to me that I need it. Like, I haven't seen any good Bears Prizm stuff in a while. So, yeah, I've just been kinda chilling.

I have this. I'm really excited about I know it's Football Card Podcast, but I think I mentioned this. I got the '98 Skybox credentials, Bonzi Wells rookie. I've been wanting one of those for a long time.

One finally popped up, but it's coming from Taiwan. So it's been stuck at customs in Chicago for, like, a week. So just give me my card. Yeah. About to drive up to O'Hare and figure it out myself.

All for the love of Bonsi. Yeah. So but that one's out of 88, and then his future is out of three, which I just good. Nat Nat Turner has one, but I don't anticipate ever being able to find one of the other two.

But, yeah, basketball card on the football card podcast. Good segment. Maybe we should do more of it. Yeah. That's a that's another segment. Basketball on football cards. I'm I'm disappointed. No, little vintage today.

Yeah. We we could do a little vintage football talk. You want to? Well, maybe we'll save it for next week. Okay. Okay. The door for the kaboom room's right over there too. We can always walk in there. But let's do the NFL check-in.

Tried and true segment, a blue blood segment here on the football card podcast. Let's do some predictions because why not? So I put down MVP, offensive player of the year, defensive player of the year, and Super Bowl as predictions.

And then also our personal, I want to check Vegas odds of team wins. So I'll start with you. Colts, over under seven and a half wins, and then the major awards. What do you think?

I'll say this, and I will not drag this out, but I'll just say this. It is so hilarious to listen to the mainstream media's conversation around the Colts in light of the Richardson and Daniel Jones quarterback of it all.

And it's almost like people are taking wins away from us for the fact that we don't have Anthony Richardson as our quarterback anymore, which is, a lot of comedy as I'm just thinking about it.

And I'm not here to say, like, Daniel Jones is the savior.

I do hope he works out, obviously. But the in quarterbacks certainly is the most important position. Definitely a question mark in Indianapolis. I'll say this. The the rest of the team is deeper and is is from a talent perspective.

I'm more excited this year than I have been in a long time. And but if you listen to any podcast, you wouldn't know that because none of those, talking heads know anything about depth on both sides of the ball.

So I say all that not to glaze up my team because certainly the perception is that they're bottom of the barrel, but this team has been mid for in mid by 500 record basically for the last few years.

And so because I I believe in Jones being a more consistent passer and ability to give it to the playmakers in a more consistent way than Richardson, and because I think the team is deeper than it's ever been, I'm going to say we're going over, seven and a half.

What am I gonna do? Say we're going under in week one? That would be silly. But it's just it to me, I'm just I I look at this shit all day every day. I follow the team every day of the year, not just when the season happens.

Constantly following it. And from a talent perspective, we're just a lot better than what the public says right now, or at least I I hope so. I feel the exact same way about the Bears.

Naturally. It's like over under eight and a half wins for the Bears. I'm like, oh, easily over. And then I'm I'm in the middle of, like I have done one fantasy football draft, and I have two more coming up.

And I'm like, damn, Roma Dunesay is about to break out. Luther Burton's about to break out. Deandre Swift's gonna have a career year.

Because it's like, yeah. I follow the content all the time, and I'm just seeing positive things about these players. So, of course, I'm a little brainwashed, but eight and a half wins, I feel like they can go over that.

The only drawback, the bare schedule this year is really hard. The division's really hard, and then they have a bunch of really hard road games. So, yeah, I would love to see nine wins. Just just give me nine. I'll take nine.

What about MVP, offensive player of the year, defensive player of the year, and your Super Bowl prediction? My MVP should be of no surprise. We're going back to back Josh Allen, which, we'll more on Josh Allen in a minute.

Offensive player of the year, Ja'Marr Chase. I mean, I think Burrow Burrow might get 5,000 yards passing and be runner-up to MVP to Josh Allen, but Ja'Marr Chase will certainly be the beneficiary of that.

So I'm going Ja'Marr Chase, offensive player of the year. I'm going Patrick Sertan for defensive player of the year, which I know maybe the defensive back hasn't been had since, Gillylock, Stephon Gilmore won it.

But, you know, there's a lot of talk about the Broncos and their defense this year, and certainly the best defender on their team is certain.

So if their defense can execute at the level which everyone thinks they can, I'm gonna just pair it with their best player.

In my Super Bowl prediction, you're not gonna like my NFC team, but I'm picking they're gonna lose, so maybe you'll like it based on that.

But I'm picking the Bills over the Packers. Josh Allen finally stands at the top of the mountain with the Lombardi trophy, and everybody celebrates.

Wow. Okay. There we I like that. I like the reasoning. And Lot of lot of lot of money lot of lot of, in lot of, go bills, I mean, you gotta don't make me look like an idiot.

That's what I'll do. It's like a lot of I put a lot in the Bills this year. Yes. Clearly. I had Burrow as my MVP. I think there's so much chatter of he could have won it last year, but they just didn't win games.

Yeah. And then pair that with how voter fatigue can work. And I don't know. I could see if the Bengals are just good and Burrow has a similar season, statistically, the media wanting to give it to Burrow.

Offensive player of the year, I put Bijan. I'm high on Bijan, so that's definitely a biased take. Their, defensive player of the year, I'm gonna say Micah Parsons.

And, yes, this is purely a Jinx play. I know that, if I pick Micah Parsons, and he's he is the favorite at plus 600, on draft pick. Miles Garrett? Yeah. As of last night when I looked, Micah was number one.

So I might have to put money on that as kind of the, I like to call the emotional hedge, which is where I bet on the things I don't want to happen so that if they do happen, at least I win money.

It's a little tactic I've developed over the years. So, yeah, Michael Parsons, he's a lock for defensive player of the year.

He is gonna have a, you know, 20 sack season. There's absolutely no way he doesn't just have one of the greatest seasons a defender's ever had. He will do it. I guarantee it. And then Super Bowl, I put Eagles over Bills, so I'm sorry.

But I just think the Eagles are really, really good, and they're, like, bringing everybody back, and they just seem to have that kinda I don't know. They just beat the shit out of everybody, so I could see them just running it back.

But I don't really know anything, so we'll see. I gotta ask you because this will be live by the time or this game result will have happened, the kickoff of the season with the Eagles, versus the Cowboys.

Mhmm. I'm I'm guessing you're gonna pick the, Eagles to win that game, but let's see here. The spread right now at the time of recording is, eight points, obviously, in the, the favor of the Philadelphia Eagles. How much do you think?

Well, first, do you think the Eagles are gonna win? And if so, by how much? And this is is it in Dallas? No. It's in They're they're at oh, yeah. The super the Fenny Super Bowl champion is always playing at home. Right? Yeah.

I think there's been one case where it didn't happen, but I can't. I remember, like so but, anyways, yeah, for the most part. Yeah. I think the Eagles win. I don't know. They're gonna win by two touchdowns. They're gonna win by 14.

Go along with your they go along with your Super Bowl projection there. Yeah. Except I don't know. The, Cowboys have a new Pro Bowl defensive tackle that they just traded for who might, you know, disrupt run, baby.

Yeah. Like, you can't have an edge rush if nothing's happening up the middle. Like, it's so easy to just block someone off on the edge. Like, so easy. If you just have a edge rusher, but no one in the middle, you're you're cooked.

Could you imagine if the pocket is collapsed and just Saquon does nothing? Can you imagine Jerry Jones' interview in the Cowboys' way Jerry Jones' interview after that?

That'll I mean, that actually of storylines I want to happen, that would be the best. It's like whoever's on the edge now for the cowboys, like, they each have three sacks.

The new defensive tackle just plugs up. Saquon, 20 carries, 23 yards. That's yeah. Book it. Alright. We'll wrap things up with a little market watch sales that caught our eye.

Alright. I tried not to be that guy who post his card and says, hey, everybody. Look at my card. I've had this longer, and look at how much it is worth now. So this is, I guess, my opportunity to do that.

But I had been, like I tried to be, like, conscious, and I didn't wanna I hope people know, like, I'm, like, an Andrew Luck collector at this point, and I spent a lot of money and have been spending a lot of money on Andrew Luck cards for a while.

So there was a venture vested interest for me in following along with this 2012 prism, prism or gold prism rookie luck, sale that happened on eBay at auction.

Now the interesting part of it is the fact that this it was this is the variation.

This is not the this is look. You can see 203 b. 203 a is the true. There are variations for a lot of these twenty twelve rookies, and a lot of collectors who are new don't know about it. So I think that's interesting.

I did not go after this card because I'm a no variations guy. I have to draw the line in the sand somewhere. Although, I have my copy of the a, I completely contend, and I'm congratulations to this seller and to the new owner of it.

But people, like, legitimately thought I was crazy when I picked up my copy of the a at the National in 2023, Farveless cards. First move I made, went over to showcase deal done in advance, $900.

Here you go, pal. Got the card. And I dude, I was so thrilled. But I remember, like, being in groups of people and showing people and being people, like, how much does something like that go for now?

And I was like, $900. And people like, you spent $900 on those? Like, hell, yeah. I did. And then I remember at the time being like Andrew saying, like, the memories and moments luck gave me, and he's one of my favorite players ever.

And I remember being like, 2012 prism. And I was like, I was so, like I had so much confidence. I was like, it is prism, everybody. This is the number one set, and this is the first year.

So, like, for me at that moment, it had, like, checked all of the boxes, and I was it, like, set me off on this, like, Andrew Lut gold prism run, which then turned into a black finite run, and it's just anyway, like, this card doesn't sell often or the variation doesn't sell often, so it was fun to see it.

And this card sold $5,038, which I said after, you bought your Cutler. I'm like, we're here we go. And we're starting to see some of those sales.

And so I don't know if this card would have done what it did if it wasn't for the Cutler sale, but I think it influenced the sale price of it at some level where collectors are finally opening their eyes and being like, okay.

There's only, you know, certain amount of copies of these cards, and it's the first year. And so if you bought this card, you're the winner. Please let me know. I would love to figure out who was the owner.

But, yeah, it's cool, especially when it's like a lane that, you know, I've collected in, oh, for a long time. Not necessarily by myself. There's been a couple, like, shout out Luke memory machines, like, huge luck collector.

Him and I have always, like, been very aggressive in buying the cards we want and not even thinking twice about what we're paying for them because we love Andrew Luck.

But the it's there's not been a a lot of us out there, and this is like people would be like, Andrew Luck selling for this?

Didn't he retire early? It's like, back to the sets. Prism is the king. Twenty twelve is the set. Rookie, like, it just checks all those boxes, and it wasn't like luck wasn't a a bad player. He was actually a phenomenal player.

But just yeah. Time and place, like, stuff just starts to happen. So if you have this card, I'd love to see it. When you see a sale like this, like, for that for 5,000 after you got yours for 900, what's your kind of reaction?

Is it, like, yeah, that's the true value? Or does it make you be like, woah, this market is really going crazy? Like, I just kinda curious your takeaway on, like, the sale price.

Does that feel like a warranted legit price, or does it feel like people are overspending on anything that's gold out of 10 and, like, really trying to snatch this stuff up? And is it, like, can it maintain?

I don't know. Just kind of what do you think? I yeah. I think it's, like, if there are two people going for it, it's really hard for me not to say that's the not the legit price because it's happening in action.

And obviously, this has to get paid for it. I'll say, like, my reflection on stuff like this is always and I did a, episode in the Patreon about this about, like, I'm not necessarily, like, celebrating these sales.

I'm, like, I'm not, like, fired up because it's like I am excited, but I'm not it's like this conundrum I'm in where I'm like, wow.

This sale's monstrous, and that's good for the value of my collection. But then it also it's like, if I'm collecting twenty twelve prism stuff, it sort certainly limits me based on the way the the prices are elevating to.

So I think it's that, like, back and forth of, like, this is great because I've got twenty twelve Prism cards, but then my pursuit of other twenty twelve Prism cards might be cut short because of sale prices that are happening like this.

Like, I can't just go spend $5 on every other player that I like that has a prism gold in 2012.

I can't afford that. So I think that's the part. And, like, because of this sale and because I know I don't have the variation, I have zero interest to sell the card.

You will not be seeing my card available or for sale. I'd I'd I'm this does not does nothing for me in terms of wanting to get rid of the card.

It just makes me enjoy it or maybe appreciate it even more. Yep. One other thought I've always had about 2012 and as you being a full team set, collector and that you've completed it.

What are your thoughts on how the rookies have a different design than the base? Like, do you wish the rookies had the same design as the base veterans?

I I actually like, it doesn't really bother me as much as there being a variation bothers me because I don't know, and I would hope the winner understands that they're this isn't the right copy.

Like, not the right copy, but not the a copy. But, like, I can't tell you how many collectors can't, like, have come to me to ask me because they know I've been through the team set run, and it's just not apparent.

Like, you can't see it on outside of the b. You don't see variation on the label. And so I would much I don't mind the design being different. I just wish there weren't variations.

There's in 2014, there's three others in variations. In 2012, there's two. And I'm I just I don't like variations because I think it's just confusing to everybody. Yeah. I guess I was more saying, like, the all the rookie.

Like, every time I see a rookie from 2012, it, like, takes my brain an extra second to be like, oh, yeah. That's 2012 because I'm so used to the, like, design. Because I just don't have any Bears rookies from 2012.

That's probably part of the reason. Like, that I don't own any myself. So when I I see this design, it always takes me an extra second to remember that it's because it says rookie at the bottom.

Yeah. It's just and, like, the border shape is different. But and, yeah, just looks different. But it's if there's an Alshon Jeffree out there, I would take one in a heartbeat, but I just can't find rookie?

Yeah. Oh, wow. I didn't realize that. That's a good one. Yeah. Yeah. I've I don't know if I'm ever gonna be able to get any more twenty twelve Bears golds.

I feel like they're getting because the rest of that checklist is so strong for the Bears. Forte, Hester, Brandon Marshall, Lance Briggs, Julius Peppers.

Like, it's just and, Cutler sold recently for, like, $1,200 or something like that where I think Hester would be way more collected and beloved by, like, people outside of the Bears.

So if that hits auction, like, I just don't know if I could compete anymore.

But we'll try. Those hall of fame collectors. I know. And I I bet for Hester and Forte would probably be the top two, like, finites from that set for bearish collectors.

Like, I think color's up there, but, like, I'd rather have Hester than color, personally. I didn't realize bearish, list was that strong. I know. It's it's a good one. Alright. What else? We got the 2014 Aaron Donald Gold Prism.

Now the benefit of Donald, he doesn't have variations because people don't collect defensive players. But, yeah, this card sold big sale. It is it was on eBay, and a b g s nine sold for $6,100, this past week, which is a big sale.

I did hear that privately a, I think a PSA 10 sold for 10 k privately, before this sale went off the board. But Aaron Donald's one of the greatest football players of all time, in my opinion.

So to me, knowing what I know about these cards and my belief of these cards, like, $6,100, ton of money. But damn, it's Prism. It's his rookie. There's only 10 of these. It just makes sense to me.

Yeah. That's a sick card. I was looking up what is the highest Donald sale of all time, and he's got a bunch, higher than this. His finite auto from this set is the highest of all time in 2022 for $28,000, which big sale.

But that 2022, that had to have been right after the Super Bowl. Right? And then that card sold again in 2023 for $18. So, a green kaboom up there in 2022 for $15.

Are we in the Kaboom room? Maybe. We don't have time for the Kaboom room. We gotta get out. Okay. Well, yeah, a couple more. So this o six, upper deck exquisite collection spectrum patch Tom Brady, It's a one of one.

It's a BGS eight. This thing sold for $40,000, at auction, and I just thought that was absolutely wild. There's a lot of discourse about this I saw, regarding this card.

But my my my question, I saw this card in the sale, was this, John. And I'll ask you this. Do football card collectors give a shit about exquisite stuff? I don't it's never been my lane.

I like the shiny stuff, but I yeah. I don't know enough about it, and it doesn't seem that popular on the football side compared to basketball. I mean, basketball o three, you know, is one of the biggest sets of all time, I'd say.

So Mhmm. It definitely does seem far behind in football. And I'm trying to even think, do they have, like, RPAs in football the way that they did in basketball?

Like, I don't know. I just think o three exquisite basketball, right away, you can think of what a limited logos looks like. What I can see so many players' biggest cards from that set if I think about it.

But on football, it's just not the same. Like, I I know Forte, I guess, was in o eight, and I know he has, like, an exquisite logo. But, yeah, I know. I don't know. It seems way less collected than basketball.

Yeah. Yeah. I think that's the case, which doesn't necessarily mean, you know, a bad thing. Maybe it means an opportunity, but I just, you know, I I don't know. I just don't see a lot of exquisite football stuff in people's collections.

And usually when it's like the Patch Auto stuff, it's people are defaulting towards, like, more flawless stuff as being the the stuff they hang their hat on. I feel like from this era too, I see a lot more Ultimate Collection.

Yeah. Like, for stuff. Yeah. O four ultimate collection, I feel like, is a big one that I always see. But, no. This I mean, this makes me wanna look into exquisite more on the football front.

But that I wish that was autographed. That that's my one drawback. It's definitely a cool card, but, yeah, that's a lot of money for a little piece of fabric.

Talking about a lot of money, let's close it out. We gotta just make mention of the '97 metal Universe, Barry Sanders, PMG, green, PSA, AIDS selling in the Premier auction for $372,000. That scan is popping.

Like it is blinding me the green on that. So yeah, man. This one was being followed. There's been a lot of commentary. Barry Sanders, people love to collect his stuff, but $3. 72 is like a whole another category in hemisphere.

What was your reaction when you saw the sale? That's a ton of money, obviously. But I guess one takeaway from it, and this maybe can go back to that question earlier where he was asking about Rivers and Ryan and all those quarterbacks.

But, like, don't forget about the skill guys. Like, that's my takeaway from this is don't forget about the skill guys because there are great quarterbacks in this set.

You know, Favre, Elway, Dan Marino's in this set. Troy Aikman, I don't think he's great, but Troy Aikman's a name. But Steve Young. You know. Yeah. Steve Young, and none of those sales are even close to Barry Sanders.

So that's just kind of interesting that, how far and away I feel like Barry Sanders and Jerry Rice are even over, like, Super Bowl winning quarterbacks in the same sets.

So for people now who think, like, you gotta collect quarterbacks, quarterbacks are the only ones that hold value or quarterbacks are the only players to invest in.

Like, this to me is kind of a example of how a skilled player can still hold a ton of value and appreciate a ton of value. This is $372,000. Are you kidding me? That's crazy. It's it's it's it's another hemisphere.

Yeah. Crazy. But, yeah, football cards, man. People like to buy them. That's why we have this podcast. We like to talk about them. I would have been more impressed if mister wonderful bought the Barry Sanders.

Me too. Yeah. Instead of that car the more I thought about that card of and just the fact that it was never one of those cars that's like, I wonder where it is.

I wonder when it'll show up. Like, the Curry o nine Superfractor. Like, you know, there's this, like, mythical status it has because it's just been talked about and speculated about for so long, but never seen.

Like, there was never any conversation of, like, I wonder or at least in my circles of, like, where when will this dual logo man auto show up?

Because that's surely the biggest card of all time. But I don't know. Crazy. I would have thought about inviting mister Wonderful on the Football Card podcast if if he's the owner of this.

I I I think you and I should have a meeting and decide if he presents himself as the new owner of this, if he maybe could be allowed to make a guest appearance.

But until it gets revealed, let's maybe you and I just maybe have that conversation privately. Yes. That's that's who the hobby needs to hear from is mister wonderful. Good. But we we got a card call out?

Card call out. Yes. We asked to see pairs, and the pairs were out. So many good ones. Love seeing cards. Tag the football card pod on Instagram. And for episode 11, we're just gonna keep it simple because football season is starting.

Just let's see current players. Let's see who a card you have of someone who's a current active player that you're most excited about to watch this season.

So who is someone that is about to take the field this week, and you're ready to watch them play, and you have a card, post it, tag the football card pod, and, yeah, we'll share everything that we see. Thanks, everybody. See you.