Hello, and welcome to the football card podcast.

This is the fastest growing podcast in the world that is centered around football cards and, most importantly, football cards. I'm your host, John, aka Pack Nicholson. And with me as always is Brett, mister Stacking Slabs himself.

Brett, how are you doing? I'm well. I look forward to this recording. Every week. We were working on the format all the way up into us hitting record football season NFL season certainly right around the corner.

We've got a big slate of college football action this weekend. I'm just glad we're we're hitting the field. I'm I'm excited. You had roster cuts in the NFL.

Got some trades going on right now. Final roster tinkering. I'm a kind of a nerd for all that stuff. I love the mechanics of how a roster is built, and not just with my team, but just I love following other teams.

Like, I caught a video of Adam Thielen as we're recording this. He got traded back to Minnesota today, and he's just in his home with his kids.

And they just found out, and they're, like, very, very excited. They're, like, we're going home. And, like, his daughter's wearing a Minnesota Twins, like, shirt, and he's, like, it's because you're wearing the shirt.

And I don't know. Like, I love stuff like that. And so, yeah. I'm excited. I love football. Yeah. And, fall breezes are starting to hit. It's it feels like football weather, and I was in Chicago for work, yesterday. And city's buzzing.

People are ready for the season to start. The it's funny. It's like the optimism leading into seasons we're so familiar with, but, like, haven't learned our lesson of everything coming crashing down once, week one hits.

So it's it's like none of that has ever happened before. It is it is a new a new dawn.

It's okay to, like, bask in that. Yeah. It's okay to enjoy it. And I'll just say this, like, it like, as a Colts fan right now, like, first of all, I could care less what the mainstream media says and what talking heads say.

I I literally it's like fuel to my fire. And it's like for me, it's like, don't don't rain on my current state of optimism. Just there's there's no games played, but everyone seems to know it all, and everyone seems to know everything.

But I am more excited than I've ever before as we record this. Can that change? Certainly. But we all should be excited. It's like the the games haven't even started. So let's just see what see what we go see what happens.

I think there's so many know it alls out there who just project. And the more I hear the know it alls project about football, the more I think, that whatever I think is probably more right than them.

And that's just the way I am. So it's just like, we need to be optimistic right now. Wait until week one's over with, and then you can complain, but, like, let's let's enjoy where we're at.

Yeah. Even if your team is projected to finish last place or whatever, it's like any given Sunday you could win, and all you gotta do is stack 12 of those Sundays, and you're in the playoffs.

Like, they're come on. You could do it. Like, look at the the Pacers' magical run last year in the NBA.

Yeah. This is the time for the blind optimism, bask in it because 30, like I don't know what the percentage is, but 31 fan bases are are going to be ruined by the end of the year.

So, like, odds are you're not walking away with a super watching your team win a Super Bowl. So this is your time.

Enjoy it. It's a great message. I've I've hopefully, we've been been, served as motivational speakers for all you NFL, fanatics out there. And now we can get into just the conversation about cards, and there's a lot to talk about.

So I'm excited to get into it, man. Yes. Let's get into it. Into episode 10, This is the the gold prism episode. We've made it to ten ten editions.

If you've listened to all 10, you completed the run. Congratulations. And we gotta keep it going. We gotta talk number tens. So to kick it off, I was thinking and this isn't the best number tens or how I approached it.

I was just what number 10 comes to mind? And I could not help but not think of Mitchell Trubisky, number 10 for the Chicago Bears. And it's weird.

I'm starting to get nostalgic for Mitch Trubisky. Gotcha. That's how I think demented we are as fans and collectors where time really does heal all wounds, and eventually, the bad memories fade away. You remember the good moments.

Fun fact, Mitch Trubisky threw six touchdowns in one game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Pretty awesome. Like, that's what I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about the 2018 team. He led to the playoffs, magical season.

And it it got me thinking, you know, on your behalf, the Anthony Richardson Nebula that you recently acquired, like because we haven't talked since the Colts' QV news came out. But, like, if they are a thing, whatever happens.

If it never works out or whatever, it might suck for a little bit, but, eventually, you'll come around and you'll remember that week one bomb, and you'll be glad that you have that Nebula.

Because I that's the greatest thrill of all time. So, I mean, that's worth it in itself, I feel like, to have a card of Anthony Richardson. Yeah.

I mean, it's my my my I am not like when I'm buying these cards, they're not to to be to invest in prospect and say, oh, they're I'm building a collection that represents a specific product and era, and that's why I purchased the card.

And, dude, I didn't like, when the news came out, the it was incredible, the reaction, which there's a lot of disappointed Colts fans, obviously.

I I was surprised none. It was just like, listen to what is being said and the positioning and everything else. There's obviously, a lack of, confidence in Richardson. And it's not necessarily the on the field stuff too.

It's like there is a certain element to being a QB one and leader in a locker room, and sounds like he just like, from a preparation and maturity perspective, it's not quite there yet.

So I hope it eventually, whether in Indianapolis or elsewhere, works out for Anthony Richardson.

But yeah. Yeah. I got his card. I spent a lot of money on it. Like, I'm not going to sell it. That's not my my plan. I bought it because it was a part of my collection.

So, back to Trubisky. Dude, if I were you, the like, playoff like, a playoff run sounds wonderful. Like, getting to the playoffs sounds wonderful. It's been so long for me as a Colts fan.

I'll tell you this right now, and I'll I'll put it out there. If Danny freaking dimes can help this Colts team, make the playoffs, dude, like, build the statue out outside of Lucas Oil, like, that and I wanna collect all of his cards.

And I I just think moments matter so much in collecting. And, although, like, people look back on Trubisky and might say, oh, he's a bust based on who they could have Bears could have drafted and, what he did or didn't do.

Like, you mentioned six touchdowns, which not a lot of quarterbacks do.

You mentioned playoff, you know, birth, not a lot of quarterbacks can do. So to me, that would be enough of a reason for me to try to build out of Trubisky PC if I was a Bears fan.

Oh, yeah. I was talking to Chris c dice cards, the Ravens collector, and he was we were discussing how he collects his he's a Ravens guy. He collects, he calls him the immortals, like, Super Bowl teams, like, 02/2012.

And I was like, yeah. It must be nice to have two separate Super Bowl squads to collect in, like, two very awesome eras of cards too where, like, a a lot of those players from the 2000 team were in these late nineties sets.

And then, of course, 2012, you have all the, even, like, late tops chrome stuff, but then in Prism. But, yeah, I don't we I don't have two Super Bowl teams. I have a a 2018 playoff run, twenty ten playoff run, o '5, 06/2001.

That's those are those are the immortals. So it's all it's all relative. And another thing I was marinating on that I had written down, I was like, can I bring this up in this episode?

And I think this fits in your, what you just said about Anthony Richardson and why you got that, but also just other just commentary on sales in general and people be not understanding, like, how is that? It's not that valuable.

That's an overpay or whatever. But it's like and I wrote it down as the missing piece value, the MPV. And that is, like, to boil it down, like, say you and I each collect rocks and mine are red and yours are blue.

And the object of the game is to get more rocks that are your colors. So if a blue rock shows up, you're gonna want it more than me.

But if a red rock shows up, I'm going to want it more than you. And if that red rock shows up and it's the exact, like, size and shape to assemble all of my other rocks into a wall, like, I'm gonna do whatever it takes to get that rock.

I need that rock. And some of these cards, I feel like, have this extra value because of the cards it's going to be surrounded by in a collection. Mhmm. Because, like, that's what collecting is, is assembling a group of related objects.

And so, like, if someone has, like, cards x and y and z shows up and they really want it and they go all out to get z, it makes sense because, like, they're piecing something together.

So all of that to say, I think, just the fact that that AR was able to complete a pairing with like, I think it was Pitman. Like Yes. That's just awesome. That just makes it like, that is a collection. That's what you're doing.

Awesome card. If if I I love it. I love the rock analogy. If I did not have the Pittman, I likely wouldn't have even I wouldn't have gone down the AR, path. But the fact that I had the Pittman, I needed the connection point.

I'll also say this. And this is just to let everyone know this is okay to do. Even after the news was announced that Anthony Richardson was going to be the backup, and Daniel Jones was going to be the starter for the whole year.

Even after that, I took my Nebula, and I paid whatever I had to pay to go get it graded.

Yes. After the fact, everybody. So it's like everyone gets caught up in this, like, mainstream, like, oh, guy throws touchdown or guy goes to the playoffs, cards go up.

It's like, I don't play in the short term of it all. I play in the long term of it all. And the long term of it all is I made a decision to invest my fandom in football with the Indianapolis Colts until the day I die.

And with that comes collecting cards. And so because you can't see something that is so clear to me, that that's okay.

But I I needed that card back in a PSA holder so it can make a perfect pairing with the Pittman, and I paid, you know, whatever I paid to get it back to me in the next ten days, not to sell it, but to have it in my collection.

Mhmm. That's yeah. Damn right. I'm I'm fired up. Should I go should I get to my my number? Yeah. Throw it. Yeah. Give me your 10. Okay. So first play, when I do these, I forget about it, and then we get the format.

And then I see, oh, yes. Okay. This is fun. And I usually just react, like, first player that comes to my mind. And the first player that came to my mind was Eli Manning, you know, as the 10, the little brother of Peyton.

And I think part of obviously, Eli has done a good job of being in the media, staying front and center, working with Peyton, doing those things to keep himself top of mind.

But I think another awesome part about Eli Manning is the fact that Eli Manning is beloved, amongst Giants fans and collectors.

And I get to see so many great Eli Manning cards through those collectors that I follow, which is fun. Like, his legacy on the field continues.

Certainly, in my opinion, a hall of fame football player. He's got the same amount of Super Bowl trophies as Peyton Manning. But I will I have to I I have to say this, that little brother lost every game he played against big brother.

So he was o for three. I was at two of these games. The third or excuse me. I was at one of the games. So 02/2006, the this is a Super Bowl year, season opener, in New York.

The Colts beat the Giants, 23 to 21. 2010 was the home opener for the Colts on Sunday Night Football. I was at this game. The Colts beat the Giants 28 to 14. And then 2013 was when Peyton was with the Broncos week two.

So these were all, like, week one or week two that they played each other. Obviously, like, the there's money in that from a a programming perspective, so the networks obviously wanna pick this up.

But the Broncos beat the Giants 41 to 23. So although they have the same amount of Super Bowl trophies, Peyton can always say, I beat your ass three times. Yeah. Yep. And I think the MVPs, favor Peyton a little bit.

Little bit. Five five to zero. Yeah. No. Eli definitely was a top of mind one, and then let's see. I had the list of a couple others. Fran Tarkington, Kurt Warner, and, let's see, Tyreek Hill. That's a solid number 10.

DeAndre Hopkins, Cooper Kupp. So we've got some we've got some tens in the mix. I don't know who would. Is Eli number Eli might be number one? I think you could. There would be the argument of Eli and Warner, probably.

Yeah. Warner. Yeah. It'd be the debate. Yeah. That's that's a good call. I might. Who do you who who in your mind, who is the bet this is like I feel like this would get this is like a clickbait headline.

Who is the better player between Eli and Kurt Warner? Let's just like, Warner had the the stats or the MVPs and the but, like, Eli had the playoff runs.

Warner I guess Warner went to, what, three Super Bowls, one and two. Eli, two and o in Super Bowls. I we're getting shades of LeBron MJ where it's like the the LeBron got to 10.

He only won four. The winner got to three, but he only won one. Well, wait. Warner, number 13 on the Rams. I'm looking up pictures. When was he number 10? On the Cardinals?

No? He's 13. I'm seeing 13 everywhere for Warner. So maybe my this Google Gemini. Can't trust AI. Can't trust AI. We're just debating I didn't I didn't I literally didn't even I didn't even question you. I'm terrible with numbers.

I know. I was like, oh, that sounds right. Like, this is the first line of this, search summary. So alright. This is great. The AIs. This is great radio. Thank you all for listening to the Football Card Podcast. We'll see you next week.

Yeah. So, yeah, who knows? All those other names that I send might not shouldn't be tens either. Could have been pulling from the amount of fumbles lost they had. Who knows how that AI scraped the web for those numbers?

But episode 10. Let's get into it. We got some questions from the loyal listeners. Here you go, by the way. There's a picture I know. I'm putting up on this screen a picture of Kurt Warner wearing 13 and Eli wearing 10 for the Giants.

And it's like he wore 13 for the Cardinals. He wore 13 for the Rams. There's no pen in sight. That's that's rich. Alright. Question one. Actually, this one was my question. I just wanted to discuss this.

And by now, when this episode comes out on Friday, August 29, This will is, like, old news and has been thoroughly discussed, but I just wanted to get at least one quick takeaway from the $12,900,000 Jordan Kobe dual logo man sale.

Maybe to you, Brett, like, what's what's your maybe one biggest takeaway from that sale?

Okay. So I would say to to me, the biggest takeaway is the fact that all the conversation right now has been about the buying group and not about the card itself.

You know, we got the shine, the mister wonderful, and the other guy, whoever he is, and that's where the spotlight has really shifted.

And to me, that kinda tells me something is off where that's where we're spending the time and energy is is talking about the group and not necessarily the card.

And I don't really know what it means, but I always find when there is a big topic and the conversation is shifted away from the card itself, usually, that means something's off. Yeah. Agreed there.

I think a couple of things. Well, one, the biggest takeaway for me that I wrote down was it's a card from 02/2007. That is just kind of crazy where the highest selling card has always been vintage, at least in my, history of it.

I feel like it's always been Hannes Wagner and then Mantle. It was always kinda like one of those two. It felt like at the top with then, you know, you had some huge sales like the Luca logo man and, some LeBron gold RPA.

But, there was always, like, a huge gap between the Wagner, a Mantle, and everything else. So for a card from 2,007 to sell for that much, like, a modern card is crazy, and I don't think I knew that card existed before this.

Like, it's a a true, like, one of one piece. There's, no, like, base versions of it that people saw. It wasn't just, like, an easily recognizable card in the Zeitgeist.

It just, is a cool card. But, yeah, just kinda crazy to me that something that didn't know existed from 2007 can all of a sudden be the highest selling sports card of all time. Welcome welcome to the to the hobby.

It is I feel like we're officially in the, bull market hype era round two. It'll be interesting to see what happens after that card after that sale. I'm I'm interested to see kind of the fallout on the other side.

Yep. And then our our second question, which relates to this, and you kind of touched on already, but corporations and investor groups competing against collectors for cards. What do we do with that? This is from greatest card shop.

I think it is very much a natural evolution of the hobby. I think back to a couple years ago, we weren't talking about repacks. Now repacks are front and center. A decade ago, we were barely talking about breaks.

Brakes are everywhere. I think expansion opens the door for all types of personalities to enter. So I think there will probably be more groups doing the same thing, and which will mean bigger sales.

My hope is that none of these groups are targeting, things that I collect. And I don't think they will be targeting things that I collect, which is is good for me.

But I don't know. Like, I chalk it up to being, like, there are so many things that happen that are completely outside of our control, and there's nothing we can do about them.

So just those things are gonna happen, especially if it's corporation spending millions of dollars on cards.

And so yeah. Instead of, you know, wasting my time complaining about those things on cards and that I'm not even I could never even dream of affording. Like, I'll just kinda go back to buying the football cards that make me happy.

What about you? I really wanna see, like, the the live Zoom of, like, four new investors as they're watching the seconds tick down on their Jack Doyle gold vinyl win, beating you out.

Yeah. When the when the investor conglomerates start coming for the cards we're after, that's that's when it might be I might be over.

Might be done with it. These episodes might have to be, like, have the explicit content label if that happens.

That's for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's kinda weird, but I also don't think they'll ever be over like, these are just different cards, like, what these investor groups are going to be targeting.

And I think there'll be more and more of these manufactured cards that are for that type of buyer, like the LeBron Triple Logoman.

Like, I'm sure Fanatics is going to be coming out with these crazy one of one Chase cards that are multimillion dollars, you know, before they're even pulled just because of how the marketing goes.

Again, that, like, triple logo, man. It was, like, became one of the highest selling basketball cards of all time for something that was brand new. I feel like that will keep happening.

And I watched a clip of mister wonderful where he was talking about the sale. I think he's on Fox News or some, finance show, but he was he said something like like the interviewer asked him, like, what's he gonna do with the card?

And he's like, this is a card I might never see in person, or, like, I might only ever see it once, which just shows he has no no desire to get any of the utility value out of the card.

Like, it's not it is purely investment for him. And is that a bad thing that the people paying buying the highest ever cards don't even want the card?

Like, yeah. I think that seems like a red flag to to some degree, but I just think there's that other side of this whole industry that is people who are doing this purely for, financial gain or speculation.

So, yeah, I think it it is what it is. It's a it's a crazy sale for card collecting, but I don't think it necessarily trickles down to, like, us as collectors.

Like, I don't think that sale makes our cards worth anymore or anything like that. It's just, that is not even, like, card collecting to me.

That is just, like, a whole different stratosphere of this hobby. It's just, again, guys putting together $13,000,000 to buy a card that they never see or care to see, then they hope that it returns 5% a year, year over year.

So so you wouldn't bet that mister wonderful is going to have a binder, and he's gonna be chasing, finest gold refractor runs.

You don't think that's gonna happen? Yeah. That's this is gonna spark his his need to start hunting on eBay for the the finest gold run of Kobe.

Go to the Dallas show and see mister wonderful in the, dollar bins searching for, like, Lindell White rookie refractors. That's not gonna happen?

No. But I I can see more and more of, like, the, like, Commander's owner, Josh Harris, like, buying the Jaden Black Finite or, like, just or Dick's Sporting Goods buying the Paul Skeens, debut patch auto, like, cards as centerpieces.

I do think that is cool, like, long term, if, like, you go to a imagine going to Lucas Oil and there's you'd probably be pissed, but if there was, like, a Andrew Luck 2012 Finite on display or, like, you know, some of the rarest Colts cards of all time were on display, like, that is cool to get people who walk by, who see it, who then maybe become interested in in that type of thing.

Like kids, maybe they see it, and they're like, oh, that would be cool to collect one day.

But I think we should I think we should follow, the commander's owner to make sure he still possesses the Jaden Daniels black finite because conspiracy theory might suggest he sold the card and used some of the funds to extend, Terry McLaren to keep his quarterback healthy.

That could have been the the the move he made. Wow. Yeah. He flipped it. That I hope I hope they I hope they flip the, dual logo, man. Or I hope it shows up on eBay as 20 mil OBO.

Please let it happen. Yeah. Alright. Next up and damn it. I did it again. I didn't write down who asked these questions. I'll when you're answering the next one, I'll I'll look it up so everyone gets their shout out.

But, someone said, I don't or wait. No. I did. I'm sorry. I'm out of sorts. But they said, rank defensive positions when it comes to hobby love. My I this question was good, and my perspective was I really don't think it matters.

I think, like, the players that I thought of just had all the different levels of defense. I thought of Reggie White, Ray Lewis, and Charles Woodson, and all play different positions, but are all collected about the same.

I think the position narrative is one that runs deep in hobby circles. And, I don't think it matters as much as the narrative suggests it does. I think what matters most is, like, the sets the players are in.

So I love collecting defensive players, but I I honestly, I never think twice about, like, what position group they're in, nor do I think that impacts the value of the price. What do you think?

So I had a couple thoughts. One, this is from two two sports cards. Thank you for your question submission. I said, I don't know about Hobby Love, but I decided to just, what if I myself had to power rank defensive positions?

Where would I go? Kinda based on maybe just notable players from different positions combined with my own personal bias of which positions I like watching or have a fondness for. I was going back and forth.

I think middle linebacker, number one. I think there's something about over the history of football, the middle linebacker is kind of your I mean, Lawrence Taylor? Was Lawrence Taylor middle linebacker? Who's the outside?

I don't know. Lineback maybe this is just linebacker in general. But you know defense. Yes. Exactly. Quarterback of the defense, so many legendary players were linebackers. Then I had safety at number two because I love Ed Reed.

I think Ed Reed was one of my favorite players to ever watch, period. Then I think about Mike Brown, an influential safety in my collecting life. And then I was just thinking, you've got Bob Sanders.

Like, there's it's there's nothing better than when you have, like, a defensive player of the year level safety and who can hit hard and is a ballhawk. Like, that is just I just love that position. Number three, I had Edge rusher.

Edgerushers are electric. They can get stats, like accumulating sacks. I feel like going for the sack record. Like, not a lot of defensive players. I feel like outside of interceptions, there's no other real stats that are tracked.

I mean, I know tackles are, but I don't think, like single season tackle record isn't a thing that I can think of because it's always been this kind of unofficial stat.

So you're kinda like sacks and interceptions as the main, personal statistic drivers for players. And then I had cornerbacks at fourth even though I think that's one of the hardest positions.

It's like if a cornerback does a really good job, it means nothing happened. It means they're they didn't get tackles because they didn't allow any completions, so they kind of are maybe unheralded.

And then defensive tackle, I have it number five. I mean, defensive tackles are sick, but they're just kinda you're just getting in the way.

That's what you all you need to do as a defensive tackle. You talking about the sacks. Just you were mentioning sacks, but then I wanted to say, like, well, then there's also forced fumbles too from the address here.

And then naturally, my mind went to Robert Mathis who is number one all time, and I know we've mentioned that. But, it had me like Gander card ladder and just search Robert Mathis again.

And I'm very proud to announce that my purchase of the Robert Mathis, Gold Prism PSA 10 in March 2024 is still the highest sale of Robert Mathis card of all time by more than double Let's go. Next part of.

So I just I'm I'm trying to keep that top spot. And if the finite presents itself, I'm happy to best myself. That yeah. 54 forced fumbles is yes. And that's another is there anything better than the forced fumble strip sack?

No. It's the best, dude. We, speaking of which, Mathis had one of those against Manning when Manning returned home in the end zone, and it became a touchdown.

It was like the I have a list of, like, 10 best plays I've ever seen live. That one's very high up there. And it's just there's so much emotion because it comes out of nowhere.

You know? It's like, oh my god. He Yep. Quarterback gets crushed. Yep. I have to shout out Charles Tillman, who is tied for sixth on the list of forced fumbles all time with 44.

And as a defensive back is pretty crazy because the people ahead of him, Robert Mathis, Julius Peppers, John Abraham, Dwight Freeney, Jason Taylor, Chris Doleman are all defensive ends, defensive, or outside linebacker.

So for a quarterback to be up there, the old peanut punch.

The punch, man, that lent, he was in he was influential to, the maniac, Shaq Leonard, who also used the punch maneuver and adopted it from Peanut, which, obviously, they played different positions, but, shows you how influential one maneuver can be Yeah.

In football. And it seems so simple. It's like, yeah. Just punch that. It's not.

Gotta think about how many missed peanut punches there are where your dudes are just getting punched, and it's like, sorry. I was trying to punch the ball, but I've Or you're missing the tackle and the guy's going, like, 20 yards.

That too. That too. But a perfectly timed punch when they it happens so fast in real time, but then they show the slow mo replay and you like, you're like, was that intentional?

Was it not? But then you see that they had a fist and knocked it out. I mean, that's a great play. Next up, this one is from Drake's PC.

He said, I may be a bit unique in that I love collecting all types of cards, shiny, patches, and autos, But I know many who only collect shiny cards and typically avoid patches and autos or patch autos.

However, over the past few months, we've seen record breaking sales for patch auto cards in several different sports.

Was it about those types of cards where the what is it about those types of cards where they attract huge money, and why don't the shiny cards typically attract the same level evaluations and interest from those you wouldn't classify as hardcore hobbyists?

First, Drake, where you been? Where you been? You're you're the prolific question asker across all hobby podcasts, and you're showing up here week 10 finally, and you expect us to give you an answer?

I all jokes aside, I'll try to I'll try to respond is, per this is personal. This is like my opinion. I'm not trying to project it.

But I do not collect this lane, and there's a big reason for that. I'm gonna share part of the reason, and perhaps we can get to some determination. I which is drugs questions are always impossible to, like, give an absolute.

But I think there's a lot There is a lot of people that listen to the show who collect this and are very passionate. And I think a part of it is the connection with the athlete, which I I don't care anything about.

A lot of people like these cards because of the touching, the autograph, the memorabilia they they wore. That, I think that creates an opportunity to create narrative, which naturally will help drive markets and drive drive, prices.

I have noticed, especially recently, there over the last, like, three years or so, like, when I got back in the hobby, no one talked about shields ever. And now it's, like, a regular topic of conversation.

It's, like, are are like, why is this just like, why is this happening now? Why are people deciding to go really nuts about this? And they get into this element of, oh, there's only so many of these, and this was actually Warren.

And and again, like, I'm saying this to not offend anyone out there because I know a lot of you out there love this light. I'm just saying this is why I don't fall into this.

I think, naturally, like, I'm very skeptical when it comes to cards. I'm very skeptical as a person in general. So, like, relying on a manufacturer to tell me that something is legit or not, like, is kind of a roadblock for me.

Then that could be my own fault. I could be leaving money on the table. But I think, to me, like, the the cost and benefit for me is way too high. These cards aren't cheap. I also just think shiny cards are a lot cooler.

They make me feel, happy. So I don't think I don't know. I just I what was what was Drake's, like, ultimate question on this as I'm rambling? What is it about those types of cards where they attract huge money?

Okay. Why don't the shiny cards attract the same level of valuations or interest? Yeah. I think it's probably because of the connection with the piece of, material that players actually wore, and people want cards that have autographs.

And there's something about that handling of the card from the athlete perspective that drives a lot of the value.

But yeah. Again, like, I'm I'm speaking just from I'm not I'm not trying to be negative. It's just I don't collect it because I don't necessarily trust it.

And also, like, the other thing that I struggle with a lot on this is, when you're like seeing these cards on eBay and stuff, you you, like, usually but, like, you can train yourself to be like, okay.

This era, it's probably not Game Warner or whatever. But, like, to have to, like, flip over the card to, like, have all of the information on it being legitimately game worn or not. Like, to me, that's that's another roadblock.

So, yeah. People love this stuff, though. Like, I've always feel like I'm the outsider. Like, someone shared a Peyton Shield today in our group chat, and I was just like, I don't even think the card looks good.

But that's that's just me. Yeah. All all great points. Great perspective. I took it as or how I am thinking of it, just the shiny cards take more knowledge to understand and maybe appreciate the value.

Like, if you took a one on one Superfractor and the dual logo man auto and, like, showed both of those cards next to each other to someone who knows nothing about cards and asked, like, which do you think is worth more?

I think more people would pick the patch auto because it has clear indicators of value that are known, like, in our culture, like autographs.

Autographs are just, like, a known valuable thing. And then same thing, even if you knew nothing and you're looking at, like, the logo patches, you probably infer like, oh, I bet the player wore this.

If you're looking at the one of one Superfractor card, like, without knowing anything about cards, it looks kinda just like a normal card to the naked eye.

And it's just like you have to learn, like, oh, it's from a set that's really collected, and there's only one of them. You know? Like, you have to kind of explain it more. So I think, like, that is part of the reason.

Like, when they were telling mister wonderful about the card, I feel like saying, hey. Kobe and Michael both signed the same card, and it's got a jersey from both of them, like, that they both wore. Like, that's easily explainable.

You can see it right away. It makes sense. The value that's behind, like, these one of one super factors or one of one fine nights is this more, like, inherent knowledge that people gain from being in the hobby.

Like, it's like you have to kind of be more educated to understand the value. So that's kinda where I landed on it is just, you know, like they say, the more you have to explain something, the harder it is to sell.

And, like, not that it's hard to explain these cards for most people who are in the hobby, but I think just, like, to someone who knows nothing, you can show them a patch auto card, and it makes sense why that would be valued.

I I do think it's interesting that a lot of these new big money influencers that are popping up in this market, I've noticed and I don't seek out their content certainly, but I it enters my hemisphere.

And one of the trends I've noticed is a lot of them are buying, like, unworn Patrick Mahomes, like, memorabilia stuff.

And I don't remember, like, four or five years ago. It was all based, PSA 10 stuff. And that seems interesting to me. And so it's probably aligned with just the sales of some of the shields and game worn stuff.

And so new people are popping on popping in who have money, and they know Mahomes. And so they're just buying up whatever they can find, but that would that's an observation that I've made recently.

Yeah. For sure. Alright. Next up from TJ is online, and this is going to take us to our one of our reoccurring segments, a little vintage football.

Mhmm. Because he asks, with foot with fantasy football going on twenty five plus years of insane popularity, the NFL is the number one watch sport.

NFL betting has also been popular, etcetera. So when do you think or what will it take for vintage NFL cards to finally catch up to vintage baseball? I I wrote down some thoughts because this was a great question.

Shout out Tony for the question. This is my perspective. I I said, I think football is a beast, but baseball cards have had forty years or so head start on being the collectible.

Think about the t, 206 Wagner. Think about the 52 mantle. They are literally cultural touch points long before football cards have mainstream consistent production.

It seems like forever ago, but for such a long time, I mean, baseball was America's pastime for a majority of the twentieth century.

I remember being a little kid and that being the position. And I think that brought so many that, like, because it was America's pastime, it brought in so many collectors who just attach themselves to this stuff.

I just don't like football. It just seems like it has a long way to catch up in this space that I just don't ever see it happening.

I think football will own this current era that we're collecting in right now. Maybe own is a aggressive word. Obviously, basketball has a place, but I think football will look fonder years from now when looking back on this era.

I also think, like, there just isn't a lot of storytelling around, like, some of those vintage football players and sets.

Obviously, there's a Jim Brown rookie that's popular, but Johnny Unitas, Bart Starr players. But there's just not a lot of content around that. Like, the '55 Clemente, like, everyone's talking about that.

And that has a place in history. But I think about, like, players like Jerry Rice too, and, think about his rookie card and just, you know, there's a lot of them and where do we chase in PSA tens?

And it just doesn't seem like although, like, Rice is an Alzheimer. It's like, would his cards even be considered vintage? Although, like, it just there's a lot there.

So I I say all that to say is just, like, I don't think we should, as ambitious football card collectors who love football, who spend all of our time thinking about football, think that football won't ever out position baseball in, that category of vintage.

Mostly because, like, I really appreciate history, and I think it baseball is so established in the vintage space that I just I can't see for all the reasons that I said football ever quite catching up.

Yeah. I agree. I said I don't think vintage football will ever catch up to vintage baseball. Like, how popular baseball was during that era is the biggest part of that.

Like, there are so many household names of, like, baseball players from the fifties where it's like and not even, like, the goats, but, like, if you get into, like and, again, like, I'm not trying to say these players aren't good.

Right? But, like, Yogi Berra, Stan Musil, Jackie Robinson, Ernie Banks, Ted Williams, Mickey Mantle, Hank Aaron, like, those are huge names.

If you go through, like, the biggest players in the NFL in the nineteen fifties, I would say most people don't know a lot of these players.

So there's just like that all that, like, status part of it where, you know, like, I don't think, you know, Frank Gifford or Otto Graham, as legendary of players as they are, are ever going to have, like, this moment where all of a sudden they become super popular because they were good in the fifties and football is more popular now.

I think it'll like, Mantle's cards are so important because they were important at the time. They were important all the way through. They've had, like, seventy years to grow into that.

So but then you look at nineties basketball is very popular because basketball during that time was the most important or most popular sport, you know, globally, probably or not globally.

You can bring on the soccer arguments and the cricket arguments, but what I'm you know what I mean?

Basketball was very important in the nineties, so those sets are very collectible because people know all those names, and we've kinda touched on that before. I think and football is now maybe the most popular sport.

So as time goes on, one might think that this era of football cards will be collectible one one day. So yeah. But vintage football, I I don't know if it's ever going to take over baseball.

I just could not see that happening. So as you're talking and remembering last week to, like, one of the things that went through my mind, if you you bet we'll bring up Sid Luckman again, and we you talked about his stats.

But you think about Sid Luckman just watching him, like, his film, and then you compare and contrast Sid Luckman with, like, Josh Allen today.

And it's it's literal it's like you're watching two different sports. But when you watch the highlights back in the day of, you know, DiMaggio, Lou Gehrig, Mantle.

I'm naming Yankees. But you watched what they did and what they were doing in those grainy vintage film. It it doesn't look all that different than what you see today.

Mhmm. And I don't know. Like, base like, sure. Like, maybe the guys have gotten bigger. We're not even gonna get into the steroids of it all, and, like, maybe they're pitching it faster.

I don't know. Like, some baseball nerd or historian would help me understand that. But I just think, like, look, like, the sport of baseball hasn't changed that much, whereas I look at the sport of football, it's it's transformational.

And so I think maybe at some level that might play a a bit of a role in just, like, the overall collectability of each of those segments.

Yeah. Like, baseball looks timeless. Like Yes. Someone hitting a home run looks the exact same today as it did back then.

That had me just googling, which I don't again, this AI overview. Don't trust the AI of it all. But I googled, how fast could Babe Ruth throw? Just curious. When when did they get out the guns and they could do this?

It says, there's no way to know his exact throwing speed because radar guns weren't invented during his career, but historical estimates place the average fastball velocity in his era around 80 to 85, with exceptional pitchers like Walter Johnson potentially touching the low nineties.

So, yeah, we've added about 15 miles per hour to the the fastball. But, I mean but then there's again, we need a a scientist on here. But, like, the faster you pitch, can't you hit it farther because of how fast the ball is going?

Like, the velocity coming in matches, like, the velocity. There's something something with that. The football card podcast sports science edition. Yeah. The football card podcast talks baseball analytics.

And basketball cards. We're we're hitting them all on this episode. Yeah. Yeah. That's enough speculation on how fast Babe Ruth was throwing. Thank you for a little vintage football for joining us for a little vintage football talk.

Final question. This comes from Dobbs card guy. How slash if y'all collect lower end stuff? High end always gets the attention, but some cheaper cards can be just as, if not more fun.

Hashtag cheap cards matter. So my cheap card fix comes, actually are my favorite moments, and it just comes, like, way of my Colts Prism set building.

So it's like, for me, I throw a party whenever I can get a gold or a gold vinyl of a player I love for under a $100.

So to me, like, if if I'm buying a card for under a $100, to me, that's like I feel like that's a a bargain bin based on what I collect.

And there's nothing more satisfying than seeing a card, gold or gold vinyl, let's just say, that I've never seen before. And, like, the list price is under a $100. It's the best.

And so, like, the example you mentioned Doyle earlier, but, Bo, Roethlisberger, Collector seven was ripping I think he ripped the box of 2018 Prism, and he pull he pulled the Jack Doyle cold vinyl and just set I've like, I'd never seen it.

And he just, like, DM me a picture, and he's like, I pulled this.

I was like, I I want it. Like and he was like, that's why I'm coming to you. And I I offer I can't remember what I offered him. I offered him a price of under a $100, and he said, deal.

And to me, it was that was like it just as satisfying as winning a card for, like, $2,000 via auction, like, maybe even more satisfying. And part of that comes from, like, this the set building of it all.

But then another part of it is, like, I love Jack Doyle. When Jack Doyle stopped playing for the Colts, like, it was very apparent that the tight end hasn't been filled since, right, with Tyler Warren now.

Hopefully, that changes, but he was such a critical part of that luck era and post luck era.

And also Jack Doyle, played football at my high school, was grew up in the neighborhood of my wife. My father-in-law was Jack Doyle's head coach, in high school. They won a state championship together.

So there's, like, a a lot of, like, good memories with Doyle and to get access to that card, and to like, what the way it made me feel and to not even pay over a $100 for it just made me super ecstatic.

So I'm gonna use this as a public services announcement because this is what I do sometimes. If you have Jack Doyle, gold, or gold vinyl, or black finite anything, slide my DMs.

I might pay over a $100. Likely, I will pay over a $100, but let's have a conversation about it. Love that. Yeah. Those these those kind of cards are so fun, and it's still a big part of my collecting.

I have a binder, a top loader binder, which is, like, one of my favorite pieces of collecting. I love buying, you know, cards in I just bought a $4 Bijon Robinson card the other day. Like, I card was it?

Like, some sort of elite card numbered out of two ninety nine, but it was jersey numbered. So I was like, that's pretty cool. Oh, no. Twenty twenty four prestige extra points green. Oh, yeah. Dijon Robinson, jersey numbered seven.

It was $3. 25. Those cards are nice. Yeah. And I have so many other, like, I have Cutler binder pages. I have Forte binder pages, like random bears players, and assembling and reordering those pages is a great pastime.

Like, if I get because now my binder's full, so then it becomes if I get a new card and it wants to enter the binder, who's getting relegated to the cardboard boxes?

Because I haven't expanded to multiple binders yet, which is the next step. I've kinda kept to this one, and when it gets too full, I I remove a page, put it in the box, and bring in other cards.

But I always, will still operate in that world. I just literally, before we started recording, spent $15 on a 2,005 finest gold refractor, Jimmy Smith.

Someone someone put it up, $20 OBO, and I thought about smashing bin, but I'm trying not to make purchases right now as I wait for the dust to settle, from certain other purchases.

But they sent an offer for $15, and I was like, well, I gotta do it because I have, like, almost two complete pages of just base o five finest gold refractors of various players.

And it's like, I gotta this adds another, you know, piece to that puzzle. So I highly, recommend a binder or some other way to collect those types of cards.

Like, find a set that you like that and just go for the base refractors. Like, go for you know? It doesn't always have to be the high end one of one stuff.

Like, yes, that's something that you and I both like collecting and other people do, but, if you're a fan of mail days and actually, like, again, collecting stuff, like, putting like minded or, like, similar cards together, like, which is what this is all about, do it.

Find a set and just get into it. Alright. That was it for the questions. Thank you all so much, for listening to the Football Car Podcast.

Follow us on Instagram and send us a question anytime. And, let's get into a couple more segments before we wrap it up. But collecting updates, anything on your end, Rhett?

A Tease Defund card I bought last week, still gonna wait on that. I had it for, like, twenty four hours, and I've already sent it to PSA. So I'll wait until it comes back from PSA, and then I'll do the big reveal.

I'm having fun kind of just as we lead up to football season digging through my case, and just putting some trios and pairings together and taking pictures, whether it's a black finite with the gold and the gold vinyl.

It's like, that's stuff I haven't done.

So I'm enjoying doing that, and I think part of, you know, the utility value. You spend all this money on cards, like, spend some time with your cards. What about you? What are you doing? Again, I'm just kinda waiting right now.

I'm trying not to do a bunch of buying, but I of course, I'm always buying stuff. I bought over the last week, besides that Jimmy Smith, actually, over the last two weeks, I've purchased two basketball cards and one Bears ticket.

Right. So I buy. What was the ticket? So I went, in the Bears Super Bowl year. I went to Soldier Field for the Bears divisional game against the Seahawks, which they won.

So I have that ticket, and then I've always wanted a ticket from when they beat the Saints in the NFC championship to to go to the Super Bowl to have kind of their two playoff wins from that year.

So I someone listed that ticket, and I bought it. And then, it arrived in the mail, and they sent me the wrong ticket. So I DM the guy, and I'm like, you sent me the wrong ticket. What are we what are we doing here?

And so he sent an apology and that he'd mail me the new card, and include $10 so that I can ship him back the old card. So now I gotta ship a card because this guy sent me the wrong ticket, but it's fine.

You know, it's you can't there's ticket guys. You just you just don't know about them sometimes. Yeah. It's the I do love tickets. Like, I mean, in general You don't get them anymore.

I mean, we get all digital, so I I understand the allure of it. Yeah. And, generally, it's like, I've kept all my tickets from things I've been to, but I dabbled into the nonevent world or, like, events that I didn't attend tickets.

I've I've I got, like, Mike Brown, his back to back pick sixes, which I talked about last week.

I have those tickets, and I have I bought a ticket from when LeBron game six against the Celtics went for, like, 45 points fit, like, his greatest game ever, in my opinion.

So I wanted a a ticket from that. So it's it's a fun fun little part of collecting. Okay. NFL check-in. How are we feeling? Preseason's wrapped up. Rosters are at 53.

I'm just I'm ready for week one. I I'm just so ready for Monday night, week one. Are we gonna do next week? Or, we're gonna do we need to do predict? Well, we'll talk about maybe we'll do some predictions, or something to tie it in.

But, yeah, I am, just, you know, feel there was a lot of injuries and then I'm everyone's back on the field, which is a good sign except for, Nick Cross, who's a safety for the Colts.

He's still out. But I'm just like, okay. Getting the health back, getting everyone ready.

Colts have the dolphins at home. They're favored right now, which is crazy. The more I hear about the dolphins from the mainstreamers, sounds like it's kind of a mess over there. So I'm hoping it is a mess, so we can catch them.

But, you know, you you got some you got hail waddle to, you know, they can they can they can slice you up if you're not prepared for it. So it'll be a test. I'm excited. We haven't won a home opener since 2013. It's been a long time.

Longest streak in the NFL. Sucks. Wow. Wow. That's that is rough. It's crazy how, again, like, how fast narratives change. Like, Mike McDaniel was just two years ago, like, the it coach, like, the next McVay, the next, like, everything.

And now it feels like, you know again, he had a good season, took him to the playoffs, and then the next season, like, was a regression on that scale. So now Eight nine?

Eight nine. Not not terrible. Yeah. But it's just like if you do not continue up into the right, people turn on you so fast. I think it's more of the losing of the locker room. It's and, can a can he manage a personality type like Hill?

And, I mean, Hill has been very outspoken. And it's like I feel like as a coach, when, you get exposed because of a player or players, it's usually the, you know, it's usually a downfall situation.

Although, we've seen Nick Sirianni, obviously, go the other direction. He did, like, a one eighty back in the right direction and helps when you win in Super Bowl.

But yeah. Be a co code NFL coach, not an easy job. Yeah. No. You gotta handle all these personalities in a locker room of some of the big biggest, most physical men on the planet.

Like, you gotta when things go crazy, you gotta do what Mark Trestman did, which is, like, when a fight breaks out in the locker room, you go to your office and lock the door.

That was what that was a report that came out that there was, like, some, like, fist fight going on in the locker room and Tressman, like, went into his office and just go.

Because he That's the that's part of the, like, McDaniels is, like, wanting to be one of the guys mentality, and you're, like, not really strict on timing and curfews. And, like, everyone's showing up late, and everything's disjointed.

And it's, like, if your whole team is doing whatever the the fuck they want to all the time, like, there's there's, like, this element of football where it's, like, everyone has to be on the same page and everyone has to be fully bought in.

And when you see teams kicking ass year over year, it's because, like, it's because they have a great coach who's able to get everyone rowing in the same direction.

And I think more than any other sport when, like, one piece is off or a few pieces are off, like, Frank Wright's big thing was, like, he wasn't holding the star players accountable at the same level he was holding everyone else, and it was his downfall.

So I think NFL coach is a very fascinating, role and could dissect it.

But I pay I I love to pay attention to the words that they use. And that's why I said when Steichen announced, Daniel Jones was the starter. I was not surprised at all because following the word.

So I'm I'm I'm kind of a obsessive compulsive and not just the Colts, any coach. I I could sit down and listen to coach press conferences all day and what they say or what they don't say, facial expressions.

That's the stuff that I I just absolutely love. Yeah. A 100%. And, yeah, just seeing how will it all come to life? Like, everything that they're saying, will it actually unfold or not?

And then and then how do you, in the face of adversity, how do you, attack it? So let some coach speak for you. Alright. Climb the mountain. Yep. Brick by brick. Let's get to some sales. We're already at an hour. Where does the time go?

A football card podcast. I know. I've I've I've got some sales that I figured would be fun to talk about. This first this one, I think, was brought to my attention via, Josh Johnson at Korber Chronicles put this on the story.

This is a Michael Pennington junior 2024 National Treasures rookie gold vinyl one of one shield auto RPA. So I this card just it's like, let's just put it in a big pot.

Let's mix it all around. Like, I didn't know National Treasures had gold vinyl cards, but here we are. I will say this, and sorry, everybody who loves NT. I hate NT. I think it's the most overrated product of all time.

It's just so expensive, and I just think the value is not there, especially in this modern era when you're talking about the unworn shield patches and everything else. But this card sold for $52,100, which to me was like, okay.

You've got, like, this card that's, like, a conglomeration of, like, all these different elements in this product that doesn't have a lineage or legacy, and it's of a quarterback that we're certainly uncertain on.

Like, could he be good? For sure, he could be good. The Falcons obviously believe in him. But 52,000 for this card, if this doesn't scream bull market hobby, I don't know what does.

Yeah. This doesn't have the even, like, the eye appeal that I would look for in a card like the it's like you said, it's kind of a Frankenstein of multiple Yeah.

Things where, like, you've got shield cards. Cool. You've got shield auto cards. Cool. You've got gold vinyl cards. Cool. What if we just blended it all together into this thing?

Yeah. $52,000, that's crazy. That would It it it drives like, looking at this, it makes my head hurt. But, like, what makes my head hurt even more is, like, dude, just stare at the shield patch.

It's off center in the box. It's like Yeah. You're spending $52 on this. It's just yeah. Do what here's the question. We've already we already have said, like, this card, we're not for it.

What do you think about Michael Pennicks Junior? Obviously, you're, you're a, Bijon fan. So you're you're following kind of the Falcons at some level. Like, what do you think about him? Do you think he's gonna be a good player?

I have no idea. I am. Like, I really don't. I have a lot of IU friends who liked him too at IU, and I I feel like he only played a few games last year when their season was already over. So it's just it's hard to say.

I hope he's good. I hope the Falcons have a cool offense. That's my hopes for and that's solely selfishly through me liking Bijan and having a few of his cards because I like running backs who produce big numbers.

So I don't know. I hope he's good. I hope that he gets the offense going, but I would not bet on it.

I would not. And, again, I don't wanna judge other people's cards because maybe they bought this card, and it has that missing piece value where they're gonna put it next to their other n t brand new n t gold vinyl one zero one things.

But, Oh, I don't know about that. Well, I that's the thing. I don't think there's there's there's no lineage.

This thing doesn't no one knows this exists that these kind of cards exist. Yeah. Here's a question for you on on this. So you've we've got last year, rookie quarterbacks of them all. Obviously, your quarterback is a one of those guys.

You've got Caleb, JJ, Drake, Bo Nix, Michael Pennington Junior. I'm gonna say it right here. This is like a bold, scorching, hot take. There's no chance that all of those guys are going to be successful entering year two.

I'm gonna take your bias of Caleb out because you're a fan, and I don't wanna put you in that position because of obviously, you're a believer. So we'll take them out. You've got JJ, Drake, Knicks, Michael Pennington Junior.

How many of those guys are going to be good players at the end of year two? That's hard. Because so much of it is, like, situation. Like, to me, I feel like people are if you're into this market are sleeping on Bo Nix.

Like, Bo Nix had such a good year, like, 29 touchdowns as a rookie and ten and seven, then they go to playoffs. Good defense. Pretty pretty good rookie year and, like, yeah, he's in a good situation.

Good coach. I feel like Drake May, like, might be a good quarterback, but I feel like the patriots are in this rebuild era, kinda. So it's might not be on him fully, but, like, yeah, I could see him not working out.

I could see Penix not working out. Like, do they still have cousins? Is that at all gonna be there. Yeah. It's fine. I don't know. I feel like cousins started out great last year, and then I don't know.

Just if you have two quarterbacks, you have none. You maybe the maybe the Colts situation is different. But I it might just they they might have two quarterbacks, but it might it it might be Daniel Jones and Riley Leonard.

There you go. I think Jaden is the real deal, and I think the commanders are in a good position. Didn't even mention I mean Yeah.

Yeah. And JJ, again, like, he hasn't taken a snap. Like, it's of the players working or not working out, like, the ones that played of full season already, I trust them more than the guy who hasn't even played yet.

And then of those other ones yeah. I'd say, like, I have at the bottom with May and JJ, and then who does that leave? Bow Nix. You like Bow Nix. Bow Nix, Jaden, and Caleb towards the top.

And Yeah. Yeah. I've got some bias in there. But Caleb had 20 touchdowns, six picks with a Matt Eberfluss is his head coach. So what can he do with a a real team? I don't know. So what about you?

Any any favorite I think I I like your point about situational stuff, and it's hard for me to judge a player who hasn't played, you know, if outside of I I, you know, I think Bo Nix is in a great situation, and I think a lot of people like the Broncos a lot.

I think he was pretty solid year one. So I don't it would yeah. I it just he's got a solid team, and I think he's gonna probably have maybe the easiest chance to stay consistent.

Not saying that any of the other guys can. I just think the situation he has is a pretty good one, especially, you know, Sean Payton's history with quarterbacks is pretty good.

So Yep. Alright. I can't look at this Michael Pennicks junior card anymore. No. I'm gonna get it off my screen. I'm gonna move over to the 2,007 finest Calvin Johnson gold refractor, rookie PSA 10.

This to me, man, every time I see this card, I'm like, this is a rookie card. This card rules. This card sold for $3,600, August 24 via auction, which I believe makes this the, highest yeah.

It's the highest selling copy of this card of all time. What do you say? I love it. And the this scan doesn't do it justice. These o seven gold shine very, very well, very bright.

That's a that's a great card for Megatron. Yeah. PSA 10 too. Like, that's when people are spending $52,000 on Michael Penick's, like, custom card. By Megatron. Yeah. I'd you could have 10 of these.

You could have 13 of these. Something like that. Yeah. That's an awesome card. Alright. We gotta talk about the Manning sale via Heritage, which is his 98 contenders rookie ticket, PSA 10, which is a population six, I think.

Let me look this up. We've got, yeah, pop six. This monster sold for 2,007 $207,400 at Heritage's big auction, which is a absolutely monster sale. The last sale of a PSA 10 was in 2019 for $71,988.

I like I think this is a quintessential football card. I think this card is, I hate using the word iconic, but it is iconic in a way because it really set the stage for the rookie ticket to be the premier autograph in football.

There's 200 copies of this card. The thing that scares me to death about these cards is the autograph.

And the fading of the autograph, you can just see in so many of these copies that have sold over the years. There is, it fades. And this is, again, goes back to my reason of, like, memorabilia or, like, autos.

I just it scares me too much. So I think this is a great sale. It's not the this wouldn't be if I had just a disposable $207,000. I probably wouldn't be the card I would spend my money on based on there being 200 copies.

But outside of the 200 copies and, like, the autograph quality, I I I think, this card certainly has it it is like close your eyes and think of Peyton Manning card.

This comes to a lot of collectors' minds. Yeah. Great looking card. Great auto. I mean, that's just a, yeah, quintessential Peyton Manning card. Yeah. I I don't know what else to say about that one.

It it makes sense to me. I mean, that has always been a, I feel like, narrative since I got back into the hobby five years ago. I was like, holy shit. Peyton Manning is cheap, like, compared to Grady sales.

And that's also another thing I think on often where I'm like, if I was smart, I woulda just been buying the cards that are that I felt like were undervalued at the time instead of being like, I'm gonna go collect priest homes or I'm gonna go collect shitty bears players that no one else cares about.

It's like you were ahead of the game. You knew what was going on.

And instead, you chose to just buy your shitty players that you like instead of just again, even if I would've just bought Michael Jordan stuff over the last five years, I'd probably financially be in a better position with my collection, but that's that's not what what I'm in the game for.

It's it's to be a fan of a team that continually lets me down. And for some reason, I feel like I need to then buy the player cards of the players who have continually let me down.

It's like being in an abusive relationship, but there is some sort of connection there that we're we just keep going back to.

So I'm right there with you, pal. The last one here, though, I mean, we can talk we can get you fired up a little bit.

We're we're going bears here. The I was following this one, so I was just curious what it was gonna go for the 2013 CHROME Tillman All Pro Super Fracture one of one raw, sold for $2,500 via auction on eBay.

What did you think of this sale? Did it exceed your expectations? Did you think it should go for more?

Like, what are your thoughts? Yeah. I mean, I thought it went higher than I thought, but I think it's hard to even I don't know. This market's in a interesting place right now. But I first, the card, I love the card.

Tillman doesn't have the biggest bears card offering. So I have the gold refractor version of this card, and it's great. I love the all pro badge. It's a good shine. 2013 TOPS CHROME is a great year.

I just like how simple it looks with the center logo and everything. When this popped up, it came at a time where I was not ready to make a run for it. So I was right away, like, I'm just gonna watch this one from the sidelines.

I do know where it ended up, and congratulations to them. They'll probably share it at some point. But, no, that's just a a beautiful card. The 2,500, that I mean, again, feels high, but that's also this is a one of one.

It's one of the it's a rare Tillman card. Again, he doesn't have a lot of cards. So one of those cards that I think, like, if you're able to, like, make a move for it, why not? What do I know? I'd my I think this card looks incredible.

I would say they need like, we need the all pro badges back, man. Yeah. Things I'll I it makes sense. Like, if you make all pro, like, you should get a badge on your card. So that's just I love it.

Topps Chrome and then, like, the early like, in basketball, like, the 2001 set and 2002 where they have, like, the little MVP logo, like, she like trophy or the defensive player of the year, offensive player of the year.

Like, those, yes, I I live for that shit. Give me get get all the, like, accolades on the front of the card that you can, tastefully, of course.

And that all pro shield looks very tasteful. It's not, like, plastered on there. Like the they did mess up, I think, with the weekly wrap ups. You know, those on, like Yeah.

O three. Yeah. Don't it's gotta be hardware that you're plastering on the front. It just can't it can't be some little ESPN segment. It's gotta be a hard earned all pro or other type of valuable player trophy.

Dude, like, how sick would it be to have, like, your next year on all of your cards? You get, like, the if you're the man of the year, you get, like, the man of the year badge.

That was amazing. And then that would just be such a fun lane to collect. Like, I'm gonna get all the man of the year winners. Yes. You know? Alright. Good sales. Good cards. Love to see it. And last up, our card call out.

Last week, we asked to see tight end cards. I honestly that was kind of a throwaway. I was like, we'll probably see some tight end cards. That might have been the most responses we've had for card call out, seeing tight end cards.

That was awesome. Something the only thing I wrote down that jumped out to me, lots of Heath Miller. And I was like, hell, yeah. Lots of dealers out there.

So that that was cool to see. I don't know. There were there were some awesome awesome cards there. And this week, episode 10, the card call out, let's see a pair. So pair any two cards together, any kind of pairing.

It could be a pairing of set. It could be, like, the same player, but two different cards that go together. It could be teammates. It could be rivals. Get creative with it, but two cards coming together to form a pair.

Get creative. Get out your cards and take a picture and send it to the football card pod on Instagram, and we will share it. And, yeah, thank you for listening. Episode 10 in the books. See you next week. Thanks, everybody.