We are going. Hello, and welcome to the Football Card Podcast. I am Pack Nicholson with, Brett McGrath Stacking Slabs.

Brett, how are we doing? I'm excited to be, talking about football and football cards. I'm curious. Are you just gonna go by Pack Nicholson? Just gimmick name the whole time? I think so. That's the brand. That's the name.

That's the the searchability. Like, I I mean, you're you're stacking slabs. It's you you gotta go by the Instagram handle. Okay. Yeah. I'm I'm good with it. Yeah. Well, I'll just refer to you as pack, as we do these, but I'm excited.

I I shared from the top of the episode that this is, a new new, endeavor for the both of us, and I think the timing is just right. We talk about football cards a lot. So, yeah, I think it's time to get into it.

I hope everyone out there is excited about this. I know you and I are both excited to deliver this. So let's let's get into it, man. Yeah. Brett and I talk a lot as is, and we end up talking about football cards a lot.

And And sometimes it's like, we should just be pressing record on this. And now that we've entered the the sports desert until football season starts, hopefully, this can be a weekly, thing for football fans to look forward to.

So just to kick it off real quick, kinda wanted to ask you, what do you wanna accomplish with the Football Card podcast? You know, I think it is a logical next step in what I am working on and what I'm building with stacking slabs.

I have been very, public about my desire to be in the show creation business and not just create shows to create shows, but but to create shows that are going to serve, the interest of specific pockets in the hobby.

I've always found that when you don't just speak about the hobby from a general perspective or cards from a general perspective, but when you, like, really begin to shrink down and focus and be specific around categories, you bring collectors together.

There's more passion and excitement. This trickles over from content to conversations we have, sharing listings, that sort of thing.

And the if you've been following Stacking Slabs, and you're, you know, subscribed to the the main feed, you'll have seen the WNBA card podcast, which we just recorded our twelfth episode.

And that was really the first, foray into this sort of model. So that has gone very, very well.

Excited about what's happening with that show. And, you know, you and I talk a lot, work together on a some stacking slabs content. And, this was in the back of my mind, and you brought up, hey. Like, what do you think about doing this?

And for me, it was an absolute no brainer. Fortunately, I think a a large chunk of the broader stacking slabs audience either collects football cards or is curious about collecting football cards.

So I don't think we're, like, starting from scratch and trying to build this audience. You're all out there, and I know that because I collect football cards, and we we all talk a lot.

So I think this will be fun. I think this is, needed. For me, this will serve as a little bit of therapy. I'm still healing from, the NBA finals game seven of it all.

And I you know, while I'm reflecting on that experience as a fan, my mind has I'm trying to push my brain forward towards football and football cards, which is right around the corner.

I fired up my normal football podcast today, walking, listening to football content. I feel like I'm getting back into the groove, and so we're here.

And, we get to kinda record each week a dedicated, episode on football cards, and we've gone back and forth on the format of this one. And I'm really excited to deliver it.

So I wanna thank everyone for tuning in just out of the gates. This is going to be a lot of fun. And, Pac, I gotta ask you. What do you want to accomplish with the Football Card Podcast? I mean, I love this hobby. I love football cards.

I love football. I love cards. I love making content. It's what I do for a living, but I've never been able to consistence consistently create hobby content. I've had attempts. Shout out hobby late night and looks nicer.

But then I always struggle with, like, I have limited time to dedicate towards the hobby each week, and I always end up sliding back into I just wanna focus on my cards and not creating the content.

But then on the other hand, I've seen what you've done with stacking slabs. You're the model of consistency. I'm always in kinda awe of your ability to get shit done.

So I'm like, if I can harness that consistency and platform and combine it with, my content aspirations, I think we can make a pretty fun show about football cards and football cards.

Like, those are, in my mind, like, the three things that we can kind of, you know, cover our fandom, cover cards in general, and then also more specifically, of course, football cards.

So, yeah. I mean, I'm excited to kick this off and hopefully, yeah, provide something for people to look forward to until we get to actual football season. We have you thought about, like, just the audience?

And if you are sitting out there and listening and knowing this is going to be about football and football cards, and I know you and I are still in the planning stages of kind of putting what we wanna talk about together.

But have you thought about, like, the audience and kind of what you would, like, hope for them as we're jumping right into this?

I mean, I think I I've really been impressed with what you and Caitlin have done with the WNBA podcast and having that own Instagram account and just being able to be a voice for a space that that didn't exist before.

And, I mean, a a lot of people already do talk about football cards, but I think being able to create a specific platform could be a lot of fun.

We have an Instagram account that will be posting just like Caitlin's doing with WNBA card pod, but, like, I kinda wanna have that be a play zone. I used to make a lot of memes, back in the day on my Pat Nicholson account.

That's kinda what my first year was in this space, and I'm gonna bring that to the account. Some other maybe, you know, early two thousands running back stats, wide receiver stats.

I think it's just some some place that we can, have a lot of fun, not only creating this podcast, but also creating some shareable secondary content for people to enjoy on social.

So just kinda having that sandbox to plan, I think, will be a lot of fun, for the both of us.

Awesome. Well, we have completed our first, we're not done with the episode, but we've completed our first kind of putting a format together, and I'm excited to to jump on into it.

Yeah. So a few kind of the sections, I would say, people can look for in the football card podcast.

Brett and I sharing collecting updates, so maybe recent purchases, runs we completed, auctions we lost. Just I think, you know, we're very active in the hobby, so there's gonna be a lot to talk about there each week.

And then, also, maybe just checking in on our actual fandom and updates from our teams, updates around the league, maybe some fantasy talk here and there. And then, finally, some, you know, sales that are interesting.

I think, you know, that's to me, the best way to gauge the market is, like, what auctions have ended that we can talk about, that we find interesting from a player perspective, set perspective.

And finally, I'd love to get, like, the community involved with, like, a card call out.

So at the end of this episode, we'll, you know, have a call to action for everybody to post a certain type of card, that then next episode, we'll be able to talk about some of our favorites, and keep that going through the duration of the season.

So I think, should be a a nice little run of show for people. So if first off, we'd be getting into our collecting updates. And one that I wanted to highlight, this was a an intense negotiation over, I think, two or three days.

It it really was. This was for an Eddie George 2,002 finest refractor out of 250, the memorabilia version, for $14. 50 is what I got it for. But, it was sitting there at $20 OBO, and I was like, that $20 is too high for this card.

I I haven't really gone for the jersey cards from this set. I've always avoided them, but the for $15 to me is a harmless purchase. And I I have, like, four or five of them already, so I saw this pop up.

But I was like, 20 is too high. I'm not paying 20. I'm gonna offer 10, and then they come back with 16. And then and they're taking forever to respond on the offers.

It's like, come on. Let's get this deal done promptly and then pair that with my stubbornness of, like, alright. Now I'm gonna make them wait. It it drags on. I 16, I offer 12. They come back with $14.

50, and here I am kinda getting annoyed over a $2. 50 discrepancy. But, eventually, I caved and, you know, just allowed them to win, I guess. But, I don't know. It's I still have so much fun buying cards like these.

Like, I look at my Instagram feed and, like, my last few posts are, like, black finites, which, of course, I love, but I'm also doing a lot of other collecting besides just those big cards, rare cards.

So I kinda wanted to highlight this as a way, you know, to still always always there are always ways to have fun in the hobby no matter what your budget is, what price points you're searching for.

They can still be very fun and fulfilling. So this 2,002 finest set to me is one of my projects I'm always working on.

And if I see a the refractors too are actually pretty rare, if you look at pop reports, things like that. So when the right player pops up for the right price, it's something I'm always interested in getting.

So I know you're a running backs guy, and I know you're a o two finest guy, but you had not jumped over to the memorabilia side of o two, which I always find so fascinating.

You've got this, like, limited parallel structure of refractors, golds, and x fractures. And then you they just the the often forgotten about component of this is that some of some players have a memorabilia patch to them.

I guess couple questions for you on this purchase. What was it about this card that made you maybe move over into that memorabilia lane that you hadn't before?

That's the first. And then the follow-up would be, what is the, like, I it's like I'm thinking, like, either whether it's Ladanian Tomlinson or Edge. There's, like, somebody who doesn't have something, but they have the patches.

So anything on this on the o two side that you wanna educate on that you you, you know, have information on, that would be helpful as well. Yeah. So I actually I have a couple other of the memorabilia ones.

I think I have, like, I do have an edger in, and a Jeff Garcia and a Steven Davis. Just a couple random guys because, like, again, they pop up in one of my save searches normally very cheap, and I go ahead and get them.

But with o two finest, and, yes, the biggest knock I have on the checklist is the first 62 cards in the set, are the normal like, they do not include memorabilia, and that's for the base card, the x factor, the refractor, and the gold.

So they're just like the normal looking card. But then you have a stretch of the checklist from 63 to 76. So what is that? Like, 13 cards that every single version of the card has a memorabilia patch.

So even the base version, like, not just in refractors, like, there's no regular Eddie George o two finest card that doesn't have a patch. So, like, the non refractor version of this card still has a patch, and I think it's at a $9.

99 or out of four ninety nine. They they kinda bounce back and forth. And that stretch of the checklist also just so happens to include a lot of hall of famers and awesome players.

I mean, there's Urlockers in there, Marshall Faulk, Adrian James, Ladinion Tomlinson, Tim Brown, Warren Sapp, Brett Favre, Jevon Kearse, like Eddie George.

It's a great stretch of players that, for that reason, don't have the the x factor or the gold refractor, without a patch, which is a huge bummer in my opinion.

Like, I would love to see just an o two x factor Ladanian Tomlinson, but I don't even think those exist.

I don't I'm not even sure that I've never seen an X Factor memorabilia version of any of those players. Like, there's never been a sale of them. They Do they exist?

I I have no evidence that they exist because they're they're on, like, the trading card database checklist, and, I think they're in, like, a Beckett checklist, but I've I've never seen one or seen, like, a history of a sale of one.

I've tried to do a bunch of research on this set.

I bought the Beckett magazines from, like, the month the set released to just read the, like, set preview blurb, and that set preview blurb doesn't even mention the Xfractors, which is weird. So I don't know. I have a lot of questions.

I've searched on blowout forums. I I have a decent amount of info, but, like, not any evidence to see that the Xfractors for these mem cards exist. So I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they're all sitting in a collection somewhere.

But, yeah, it it's a a weird fold in this set, but also one that, you know, kind of makes me like it more. Like, even the base Eddie George is out of April, but then the base Tomlinson's out of September.

And then, like, there's no rhyme or reason to it. Just kinda the I like getting that deep into a set and kinda start to get deep and uncover these little nuggets that and nuances that make it fun.

Alright. So one more. And I I would imagine maybe at some point, we'll do a whole feature on o two finest.

So I don't wanna go too nuts on it, but I I am super curious on your response to this, where you've got a set like this, o two finest, that at the time of release, I can't imagine was, revered.

It there's it's almost a misfit in a way where you've got, you know, three parallel sets. You got this checklist, and then you got mem cards, and it's just kinda all over the place. It's a very hodgepodge.

You go even look at the way the hobby boxes are constructed. It's it's interesting in its own way. But now we're here, like, in 2025, twenty three years later, and this set is more popular now than ever before, collector circles.

People talk about it. People are chasing the x fractures and golds. I guess, like, how do you think why how do you why do you think that has happened where you've got on surface just looking at, like, the configuration and everything?

It doesn't look like anything special, especially since the rarest parallel is the x factor out of 20.

But here we are living in the era of one of ones, and so many football card collectors are obsessed with getting their guys in the different parallels.

I don't know. Like, why do you think it we we've landed there? I think from my experience, it's just the era I wanted to collect, like, was early two thousands.

And once you start searching through that era, that's pre Superfractors. Superfractors, you know, started in o five or o four in basketball.

But o five, touch chrome, football and or finest. Yeah. It's just the land before the super factor, before the one of one. And so if you want a player from that era, you end up, I feel like, stumbling upon o two finest as a set.

And to me, because of the low number part of it, like, Topps Chrome, the golds and and Bowman Chrome, the golds, you know, were out of, like, 50, and, Topps Chrome, they they weren't super consistent at all.

At that time, they had the black refractors out of a 100 and out of five ninety nine. It just you know, for the low serial number Hunter, I think if you're interested in early two thousands, you kinda end up finding o two finest.

And I I just love the design. It reminds me of the early two thousands so much. It's super nostalgic for me. It just became a favorite.

So I I I think it's just the you know, I could feel like we've kinda talked about it before where there's the the nineties and then there's, like, the Panini era and that, like, 2000 to 2010 kinda gets overlooked.

But once you start looking, there's a lot of really cool stuff. And for me, as a shiny card person, o two finest became kind of the the one to go to.

You tune in to the football card podcast, and you'll hear ten minutes on a $15 card. What we're doing here, this is what the hobby's about. Do you wanna go with one of yours? You Or I could just Yeah.

Just finish this out. Go for it. Second card, that I recently bought, I'm very excited about this. A 2010 Topps Chrome Gold Refractor Matte Forte out of 50. This is only the third sale of the card since 2013 according to Card Ladder.

It's kinda it's been on my safe searches for a while. I have a Jay Cutler version of it, and, I love 2010 Topps Chrome. I think it's such a cool set. Like, the the gold is great. I love the big team logos.

The photography is great. It's just such a cool set. And to finally get a forte to pair with the cutler was a a big moment for me. This one was, like, a hun I remember it was a $100 or best offer, and I offered 40.

They countered with 60, and I, like, I don't think I ever physically declined, but, you know, I just let it peter out. And then, like, three days later, I saw it was still there, and I offered 40 again and they accepted.

So, like, that's that's another little, I feel like best offer tactic is sometimes, like, if you offer something, they come back and it it still doesn't sell within the next couple days.

Because I've been on the selling side where it's like, oh, I should've taken that offer.

Like, they offered me $40. Now they're gone. Like, I should've taken that. And if, like, two days later, you they get the same offer again, it's like, yes. Like, I just wanna sell the card.

So I think that's something that, can work. Forte. Okay. So whenever I think of Forte, I think of, like, my, all the air getting let out of the building, and that is the debut, the opening of Lucas Oil Stadium.

The Colts played the Bears in 02/2008. And all of a sudden, this guy that nobody knew just came on and played like a freaking maniac. And I remember the colt bears beat the colts that day. Maybe call it a little revenge from '41.

But, man, I just remember being like, this Matt Forte guy is pretty good. Now go back to today, and anytime I talk with Bears fans, dude, everybody brings up Forte as Forte collector. They collect Forte cards.

You know, and Forte is not a hall of famer, but Forte certainly is a beloved bear. What is it about Matt Forte that makes you or other bears fans wanna collect his cards? I mean, he was just like you said, that was his rookie year.

And from the start, he was just so good, so consistent, running the ball, catching the ball. Kinda feel like people I maybe took him for granted in a sense of it was such consistent production, for so long.

But, like, maybe not the flashiest guy, like, he wasn't, you know like, his highest high was never, like, a Chris Johnson or someone like that.

I I don't know if he ever broke, like, 2,000 total scrimmage yards. His highest season was 1,900 scrimmage yards, 12 touchdowns, which is a great season.

But I mean, his first I'm looking at his stats right now. Nine years in the league is, like, yards from scrimmage. 1,700, 1,400, 1,600, 1,400, 1,400, 1,900, 1,800, 12, a thousand.

Like, it was just every year, you knew what you're getting from Forte. I think a lot of people a lot of fantasy fans liked him because you drafted him and you got 1,500 yards and eight touchdowns, 10 touchdowns.

So, yeah, I think he had a good personality, good demeanor, just seemed like a guy that the cliche plays the game the right way, but, I don't know.

Just a a lot to like, and he was there for some great some not great Bears teams, but by by the the metric that most people May may be great relative to what you've had the last few years. Yeah. Great relative to just, like, okay.

He's he played, like he gets there in o eight. Cutler comes there in 02/2009. So, like, they, right away, were this tandem that, and then, you know, you got Marshall and Jeffrey a couple years after that.

So they were just the nucleus for the Bears for so long. We made a couple Pro Bowls and over 14,000 total scrimmage yards, 75 touchdowns.

Like, to me That's pretty good. I love this shit. I love looking at pro football reference, and, like, I don't know how many modern running backs will put up numbers like that.

Like, you know, it's jury's still out. We need to see how the next ten years shake out, but just the shelf life of a running back, it you know, the average is just a few years.

So for him to put together a decade with one team that many yards, I think it's hard not to be a fan if you're a Bears fan or just a fan of running back fantasy this era.

But final final note for me on this card, and I'm looking at right now, just the photography on this is so darn cool. It's like Forte is kind of leaning on a player, it looks like, to get an extra step or two.

And just the way this is shot, it's like, man, we need more photography like this in cards today. Yeah. This set has one of my favorite Manning cards.

The Peyton is gonna be, like, calling the audible at the line of scrimmage. Like, such a cool picture and the gold like, that I've always admired, that card specifically. And, like, Calvin Johnson's is really cool.

Just this is twenty ten Topps Chrome. If you are looking for a player from this era, definitely, it's set to check out. I mean, $40 for this gold refractor, like, to me, that is such a fun place to, you know, play in the hobby.

It is, the one thing that my I've never owned that Manning card, although it's a great card because it's of the super it's in the Super Bowl against the Saints that we lost.

So it's always, like, every time I see it, I'm like, great photo, and then I see the Super Bowl patch, and I'm like, ah, it's painful.

Oh, I've never picked up on that. Yeah. I would I would feel the same way. You know, I've almost, this is a tangent.

There's a 2004 Topps Chrome is of Randy Moss catching this pass over Charles Tillman, and it's, like, a sick looking picture. Charles Tillman actually intercepted that pass and, like, to steal the game.

But it's like Moss's card. It looks like a touchdown catch. But I've wanted to buy that just because I'm like, no. Charles, Peanut picked this. Like, this isn't a Moss touchdown.

So the I get the the picture is everything. The picture is Yes. It sure is. Well, cool stuff. I'll move over to mine. The first card I have here is the 2015 prism Andre Johnson gold vinyl out of five PSA nine.

You might be asking yourself if you're listening and you don't have the visual, why are you buying an Andre Johnson gold vinyl? It's because he's on the Colts.

People might have forgotten. I sure didn't forget. I actually own an Andre Johnson jersey, Colts jersey. It's in my basement. I thought I was gonna bring it up and throw it on for this, and it's it's it's slipped my mind.

But, you know, playing against Andre Johnson for all those years in Houston and having him come over to the Colts, it was this same offseason we got Andre and Frank Gore, and it was like, man, I thought we were gonna win the Super Bowl.

I believe 2015 was the same year luck had the last rated kidney, so it wasn't a very fun year. We weren't very good, and Andre Johnson came and went.

But I don't know. Like, we get to these moments where there's so much nostalgia for, like, signing of players and them being on the team that this card, was a card that I absolutely needed.

And so I wanted to shout out my man, Danny, Modest Card Collection. I think it was, like, a Saturday, and he's like, I'm just it was, like, right time. I was, like, on my phone, and I get the Instagram message, and I pull it up.

And I, like, I saw the listing. Danny sent it to me, and I clicked into it. Dude, I didn't even, like, really look at the price. I was, like, first year gold vinyl of a card I've never seen before.

For anyone out there who hasn't been following along with my Colts collecting, I am attempting to amass, a one of a kind Colts Prism collection, which consists of prism golds, gold vinyl, and black finite along with some other, pieces here and there, but that's the core.

2015 being the debut year of gold vinyl has some significance. But, man, when I saw this card, it just brought me back to that moment of excitement when I was at training camp that year.

And looking at the team, I was like, man, these guys are gonna crush everyone. Obviously, they didn't. But, yeah, I paid $3. 49 99 for this because it seems crazy. It seems like a lot of money.

But I I know other people who likely would have been in that game, and I it had an I believe it had a make an offer. It didn't matter. I just smashed Ben. I was like, this there's no way I'm losing this card.

So, yeah, it has every like, although he was only on the Colts for a year, and it wasn't very memorable, because of how I collect, because of my personal memories of Johnson signing, and because he's a hall of famer now too.

That's another factor of consideration.

This was a card that I had to get. The the difference between, like, when we were talking about the Bears' greatness and how it's relative, I like and you said them getting Andre Johnson and Frank Gore.

I remember when the Bears signed Roy Williams and Marion Barber in the same season.

And I I was like, this is the greatest thing ever. We're we're winning the Super Bowl. A little lower caliber than Andre Johnson and Frank Gore, but, I I know what you're saying.

But but, dude, like, it's like with football and relative to other sports, the odds of it not working out are so much higher than other sports that I've observed. Obviously, Frank Gore worked out. He was great for the Colts.

Like, he was steady hand, for, you know, three or four year run. Andre Johnson didn't. He was like it it's the same thing, like, with Matt Ryan. It's like, I was so fired up for Matt Ryan, but it was just like the prime was over.

It's like, once these guys are done, you know, I mean, we're I'm I'm I'm not trying to speak this into existence. Maybe I am because it's the Steelers. But, I mean, like, Aaron Rodgers going to the Steelers.

It's like, what are you gonna get this year? Are are are the odds you're gonna see Aaron Rodgers look more like he did in the Packers, or are the odds gonna be like, he's gonna look more like he did with the Jets and maybe even worse?

I I don't like, it is it is Tomlin that he has a way to get the team to win always, but, like, that that becomes more real. Like, father time in the NFL is, undefeated.

That's for sure. But it's also, like, if you're a fan of the team and you sign a older free agent, you look at their stats and whatever their best season is, you're like, that's what we're about to get.

Like, I can just envision that. That's the production that I expect from this player. And then you get all all season to to think about it and be hype about it. But in reality, there's a reason they were let go.

And, also, how crazy. This card's ten years old. It's kinda wild that 2015 we're hitting, I feel like, nostalgia for Panini is really, I feel like gonna start showing itself over the next few years.

100%. Final note for me on this card is we in the hobby talk about 2012, '13, 14 with so much reverence. Like, 2015 to me is just right there.

I've said my quote on 2015 always is I say two things. I think it's the most professional looking prism year of all time, just the clean borders, everything else. Also, it is the year of, experiment and prism.

You see the debut of gold vinyl. You see the debut of white sparkle. You see the exclusion of black finite, which was a terrible decision, and the entry of, black pulsars being the one of one.

You see, the introduction of the violet mosaic, which I always say, like, if you want the poor man's finite, go get the violet mosaic.

It was one year. It was 2015, and it was out of, 50. 2015, man, I could just go on and go on about twenty fifteen prism.

I think it's one of the most interesting years of Prism, and maybe someday along with o two finest, we'll do a whole segment on it because I think there's a lot to talk about.

Yeah. The shine is great too. The gold shine on the like, it is a very good looking card.

Alright. The next one here is a card that has a story, and this is the 2014 Reggie Wayne Gold Prism. And I'm so happy to add this card to my collection. I'll set the stage here.

I referenced in this segment, I'm gonna probably be talking a lot about prism because it's mostly what I'm buying right now. But 2014 is my favorite year of Prism because it looks so different than every other year.

I just love the solid background. I love the way that the players are on the front of the card. You get the full body shot up close and personal, and this card, Wayne, is extended for a catch. It just looks so awesome.

I have deferred, and it there there hasn't been many that have come around too often, but I've deferred Reggie Wayne's to my brother because he at McGrath cards, he's a Reggie Wayne collector, and he has completed the twelve, thirteen, and fourteen playing years Reggie Wayne run.

And I just I I've been waiting for Reggie Wayne cards to pop up. It it was a gap in my collection, in my Prism collection.

Well, again, this is where community is so important. People knowing what you like, people sending you stuff. My man Brooks at LSU Tiger Collector, he sent me this listing on eBay too.

And I opened my phone and I saw the listing and my heart sank because I looked at the timestamp, and it was like, I was seeing it, like, twelve minutes after he had, sent it to me, and I saw the price.

And this thing was originally listed for a $149. 99, which is, I mean, to say, like, bargain bin deal of the century is, like, very, very understated. Like, I would have paid a lot more, and I did pay a lot more to get this card.

But, anyways, the I was like, dude, is it gone? Whatever. Like and I couldn't find it, and it was gone. And I was I was so devastated because I was like, oh my god.

My favorite year, one of my favorite Colts. This price, like, I can't I'm not gonna be able to sleep. And so I do what we do when we're just, like, in a rational mind state of mind and have to get certain cards.

I reached out to the seller on eBay, and it wasn't like, did this person pay for it? It was because I knew they paid for it. It was a, hey. Can you give me the information of whoever bought this card?

I know it's might be uncomfortable, but I would really appreciate it. Now we had had some dialogue previously, which I think warmed him up to the fact that he knew I was a massive Colts fan.

He did give me the information of the person who bought it, and I'm not gonna share details on the price or the individual who I bought it from because I'm I'm still waiting for this card to land in my mailbox.

But I reached out to the individual. We got into a conversation. I gave him a very, very strong offer.

He countered. Wasn't a wasn't a big counter, but he countered a little bit. And I said, you got it, pal. And so I thought about it after the fact, and it was like, I I could care less what I paid for this card.

I don't care if I paid a couple $100 more than maybe what someone might think it's worth. What matters to me is this card is going in my collection, and this is a card that is not leaving my collection.

So price in this instance is whatever. Like, the I can sleep easy at night knowing now that I have a key piece from this broader collection that I'm, creating, and it involves Reggie Wayne, who is one of the greatest Colts players ever.

Yeah. This I love 2014. You have the luck, I presume. Yes. And who who are some of the other Colts from this year?

Yeah. So you've got so I have the luck finite, which is probably my favorite card in my collection. I've got the luck gold t y. I've got Hakeem Nicks. So there's another, Colts player, which might you might not associate with this.

I'll tell you what a devastating l I took, and here's a rookie out of the set. And you wouldn't believe I've got his fifteen, sixteenth, and 17, which and his rookie was 14.

But I I missed out on and I I know who has it. My man, Paul, missed out on the Dante Moncrief rookie the last time it hit. And so Moncrief was a rookie in '14, then decided to get follow ups fifteen, sixteenth, and 17.

And I've got the three later years, but I'm missing the rookie. But that's just the fun part about Prism. It's like, would you have guessed that don Dante Moncrief had four Colts gold prisms in that exist?

Would you have guessed that? No. Not not at all. But, like, it it makes sense. There's probably, like, set on average, maybe seven players per team, I feel like, is what Prism kinda throws out there.

That's having the reg e t y in luck, though, that's your Yes. That's a nice trio right there. I've got the Matt Forte twenty fourteen gold. It's a favorite card of mine. Would love Cutler, Marshall, Jeffrey, but they're so hard to get.

So I totally understand paying what needs to be paid to to land one. Yeah. And I'll also like, public service announcement, and we can move on to the next seg for the audience.

You're gonna pick up if you don't already if you're listening and you're not on Instagram, you're maybe listening to this for the first time, you're gonna pick up what what Pac and I like to collect.

And so if you've got these cards, feel free to reach out, and we're always open for business. Yeah. Like, I've always, like, debated on, sharing. Like, I go back and forth.

I'm, like, sharing cards versus not. Because it's like, do I wanna be posting cards? Because what if I end up moving it? What if I what if I don't? Like, what if people start getting interested in that set and buy it?

And at the end of the day, now that I've started a podcast talking about the cards that we're buying, it's like might as well use it for good and Yes. Let it lead to people sending me Jay Cutler gold prisms is what I'm trying to get to.

Yeah. Send your Jay send send your Jay Cutler's two pack, and, let's let's build out this collection. Yep. Moving on, NFL check-in. This this will probably be pretty quick because we are in that, Doldrums.

Sports desert. They're not even in training camp for a month or so. There's no real updates. But, on a scale of one to 10, how are you feeling about the Indianapolis Colts right now?

You know, my expectation I scale from one to 10. I I'd say maybe, like, a six six maybe. And part of it is, like, I'm going into this season with probably the lowest expectations possible.

Like, I connect all of my fandom together, and I have had so much of my fandom dedicated to, like, this Pacers final run, and it's just like, okay. I I'm a Notre Dame football fan too, so I took two l's, championship and finals l's.

And so my expectation is it that the Colts are gonna make the Super Bowl and get another l. It's just I'm just looking for the playoffs, man. It's been since 2012. We have a won a season opener since 2013, longest streak in the NFL.

We've got the Dolphins at home. I'll say this. Some things that really excite me are, Lou Anarumo, the new defensive coordinator from Cincinnati, getting, Bynum, getting Ward, building out the defense, is good.

Our defense under Gus Bradley was just absolute the most predictable dog shit that I've ever seen.

And there's players on that side of the ball. They just weren't utilized right. I think when you're talking about the Colts, obviously, the first thing you're always gonna talk about is is the quarterback and what's going on there.

And that's the big question mark, and that's the big mystery. I think the surrounding pieces, you look at the receivers and the depth, and you look at Jonathan Taylor and line and everything.

Like, tied new tight end, Tyler Warren. Like, there's so much to like offensively, but it doesn't matter unless you're getting, performance from the quarterback.

Obviously, Anthony Richardson, has been sitting out during OTAs, recovering from the shoulder. Some shoulder flare up, which allegedly he's okay, but that has given Daniel Jones an opportunity to be the front runner for that job.

And, you know, Jones is the easiest target. People, you know, make fun of him, dump on him, this and that. It's like, what we need in Indianapolis is we need someone who can get the ball 10 yards consistently.

Like, that's all we need because we got the running game. Like, we've got Tyler Warren. So if Danny Dimes can cannot turn the ball over and do that, then, like, I'm happy for him to be the starting quarterback in Indianapolis.

So the the overwhelming, like, storyline will be the AR and Danny Dimes of it all. You know, final note for me, and I was only reason this is top of mind because I was in a chat about this earlier today.

But you that everyone wants to, like, give Trevor Lawrence all of these, like, passes year over year and talk about Lawrence and this potential, this and that.

And if let's just go, like, go put Dan Danny Dimes and Trevor Lawrence's career numbers next to each other.

If you've seen the graphic, they're, like, exactly the same. So I say all that to say, you know, should I be expecting terrible play if he's our quarterback?

That maybe should be the expectation, but what could it be different based on Shane Steichen being his coach and his role need not needing to, like, completely take over the game? It it could be. So I'm trying to be optimistic there.

What else are you gonna do? We're in freaking June. You gotta be optimistic about your team at some level. So I'm excited to get into the training camp and the preseason and getting these games going.

How are you thinking about your bears right now? What's on your mind? Overall, I'm optimistic. I'd put it at, like, a seven out of 10 because this happens every year.

It seems like all the pieces are in place, and then it just it blows up and is has devastating, results. So I'm keeping my expectations tempered, but it's I love Ben Johnson.

I'm so excited about what they're putting together. It feels like it's different, but I'll believe it when I see it. And, yeah, we're just in the the bad part of the season where there's no real updates.

The team is off. So the media just starts creating stories and, like, these reports come out, or it's like, Caleb Williams never wanted to go to Chicago.

It's like, well, yeah. Well, no shit. Like, no one wanted to go to Chicago. Like, I don't blame him for that.

And then Matt Eberfluss gets interviewed about Caleb saying he was watching film alone last year, and he, like, denies it. And so then there's this, like, all this discourse, fueled off of, like, nothing.

It's just, like, fabricated to to create headlines and then asking people about the made up headlines to and it just is like a self fulfilling cycle of bad content.

So I really need them to hit the field so that, hopefully, that they win games and that there's actually good bears content to consume for once.

Because the last few years, the only good bears content has been off season content when we're getting excited about the, like, potentially just winning nine games or something.

Like, that's all I wanna see is a competitive team. It's just been a a few rough years. I can't believe the Colts haven't won an opener since 2013. That's just a bizarre stat. I was I was I was in Lucas Oil for the game.

It was against the Raiders. And let me just throw this at you. Raiders 2013, who who was playing quarterback in in 2014 or yeah. 2014. Was that Derek Carr's rookie year? Yeah. I think So he was Ballmer? No. Good guess, though.

Terrell Pryor. Wow. Wow. That's a full TB. And then he became a solid he had a solid receiving year in Cleveland. He did. Dang. Yeah. I'm glad you guys pulled it off, over prior. Yeah. It's it's been week one has been miserable.

We was it two years ago, we tied the Texans? That was that was the Matt Ryan year, and I was like, this year is gonna suck. We don't we tied the Texans. I was thinking, like because now that I'm back in Indy, I hear Colt stuff a lot.

And, I do feel like Daniel Jones can be good. Like, he had some good years in New York, and I feel like there are games last year that the Colts probably would have won if Daniel Jones was the quarterback instead of AR.

But then I got served on Instagram, like, longest throws in NFL of last season. Of course. It's that Anthony Richardson where he's, like, stumbles and, like, throws that just bomb.

And I was like It was the best throw I've ever seen live. And it's like, all you need is that one play to be like, yeah. You know what, AR, if he just gets it together. Hey.

Tell tell me I want Daniel Jones as my quarterback because you you were riding the Justin Fields wave, and it's almost parallel to AR where it's like you get really excited one week, and then the next week, you're just, like, so disappointed.

Yeah. No.

I've I've ridden pretty much every quarterback, wavelength that you can. Like, getting getting excited about actually, I was not excited when they drafted Trubisky and signed Mike Glennon for, like, $60,000,000 in the same off season.

It's like, what are you doing? But, that's in the past. Kale Williams is is here.

He's the future. I believe in him. Just just go win some games. I what's weird about, like, as I I know we're moving into this new segment. I'm looking at the format here, but I'm I'm seeing a card that's not a football card.

What's up with this, dude? Yeah. So this is our our market watch segment where I just wanna talk about some sales, and you covered this. I don't know when you mentioned this, in in some piece of content.

And I was like, holy shit. This resonates because we've become a big frozen household. My daughter's almost two. They're you know, she had a big Moana phase there for a minute.

We've pivoted to Frozen. Seeing a 2024 Topps Chrome, Disney, Elsa, Superfractor one of one, PSA 10, sell for $23,000. It was just insane to me. But I it it got me just thinking of I'm sure you watch have you watched Frozen?

Seen out It's dude, we've got we've got the whole get up. Elsa, we we do I do this power ranking game with my, my oldest where I'll throw all the Disney princesses out, and we'll it's like war.

I'll be like, alright. Who's gonna win in this matchup? And it's basically like, who do you like the best? And, dude, I've run this gimmick with my, you know, oldest, you know, several times.

Dude, Elsa wins every time. Every time. She is like, I see the sale, and I know what Elsa means to my, my three and a half year old. And I I get it's like, yeah, 23 k for Elsa Superfractor PSA 10.

Of course. Like, my daughter has her ranked number one, so it's it's no surprise to me. Yeah. Like, she's when you think about it, Frozen's become, like, in the pantheon of Disney princesses.

Like, Elsa's kinda up there, in in the goat category. I mean, she spawned a franchise. There's tons going on, pretty cool powers, cool complex character.

But the more that I've watched Frozen and then, like, of course, listen to the soundtrack going to and from daycare, because for some reason, my daughter doesn't like listening to Stacking Slabs, but she likes, you know, listening to the hits.

I'm it I was thinking, like, who else from Frozen am I buying or selling? And I'm buying Olaf because Olaf's just 100%. Great character, funny, comic relief, all the things.

Selling Christophe. Christophe is not it. He with this, like, bipolar personality with the reindeer where he's talking to himself as the reindeer, like, just weird. Just weird vibe. In the store too. It's like he's your intro to him.

It's just like he's a jerk. No thing. It's like aren't like and then how crazy is the Hans heel turn in Frozen Land? I mean, that like, my jaw was on the floor when I saw that. Oh, dude. I know. Olaf, my youngest, is a big Olaf mark.

Just always makes her laugh. So, Olaf, like, my heart goes out to Olaf too. And even, like, one name we did mention is, you know, Anna, and I feel like Anna's the kind of the glue that holds everything together.

So Frozen, man. It's just this is when I knew the power of Elsa when we were head to head, and the decision was Elsa or Cinderella, and Elsa prevailed.

And to me, that was the moment of, man, this Frozen franchise, it's really captured the hearts and minds of a lot of people.

Oh, yeah. And just last thing, because I know we gotta move it. The the soundtrack quality between, like, a Frozen and a Cinderella, you hear a ballad like Let It Go, and then you go to bipity boppity boo.

It's not even close. Like, what are we doing here? Yeah. Yeah. It's it's definitely the next wave. Hell, you know, I might this is getting me all fired up.

When when my, daughters come home here from school, I'm gonna say, you know what? We're not we don't have to wait until tonight. Let's just throw on Elsa. I'm fired up right now. Alright. Another one I'd wanna talk about.

1999 Skybox EX essential credentials, Donovan McNabb future out of '27, b g s nine, sold for, what was it, 2,600? Yeah. $26. 26. $26. 26. Big sale. The last sale of this card was a BGS nine five in October 2021 for $822.

So, you know, October 2021 is kind of the peak boom and still a higher grade of this, only selling for $800. It's the this is the fifth highest McNabb sale of all time. It's his, his first is the '90 9, Skybox.

Ruby's, the one out of 30, PSA nines sold for 4,200. I was just thought this was a really big cool sale for a McNabb card. I think it kinda illustrates how much this segment of the hobby is growing.

Like, yes, I know it's credentials and credentials in general have had some crazy sales and there's, attention there, but I also think it illustrates that, you know, Donovan McNabb and players like that, are collectible.

So really think this is a a cool card, cool sale.

There is a, Priest Holmes future that I have, and then there's a now out of seven that I am searching for. I've never seen it or had a trace of it, so using this as a PSA to try and find that card.

Yeah. I think McNabb, definitely a cool card. He certainly is a player that I think will while he never won a Super Bowl, he definitely got there, and there was plenty of consistent NFC championship appearances that he led.

And he's just a guy that I think, although he didn't win a Super Bowl like Jalen Hertz, will always be remembered and collected in Philly.

And then you pair that with any credentials, '98 and '99 specifically, '99, you know, being the example we're looking at here. And I just think they're limited, very important, nostalgic, memorable.

One question I have for you, like, taking the prices off, focusing in on design, do you prefer the 90 or the ninety nines credentials? I do like the 99, the, like, the silver version. I don't love the gold.

Like, the futures are the this gold, which is just I don't know. It's not my favorite. Like, the, now version, I like better in '99. '98, I don't know if it's I feel like you just see them all the like, the I think they look better.

I love those colors. I think that's just, like, a stronger looking card. And I know, like, you know, it has such a following in basketball. But I do think '98 looks better, but I don't think '99 is that far behind.

And this is like I just remember this style of card from when I'm a kid. I'm, like, very because the base looks a lot like this. Like, some of the base are just beautiful cards on their own even if they're not the credentials.

So I do think 99 is a is still a really good looking set. Awesome card. I'm gonna move over and hey. It's not a football card podcast without mentioning the name Peyton Manning.

I thought this was interesting where you've got, the 98 playoff contenders, rookie ticket, Manning, auto selling via fixed price bin smash on eBay for 25,500 on June 20.

This is the second highest BGS nine copy of all time, nine ninth highest public sale of all time. This card specifically, I think, is really important.

I think, one, if you're looking at these cards, it's always good to just measure this card, not necessarily by the the grade of the card itself, more specifically by the autograph and what you're getting.

So many of these autographs have faded over time, and I think this one, looks pretty good to me just based on some of the other ones that I've seen.

I also find, I think what's important about this card in the pantheon of football cards is that this card to me really paved the way for the contenders rookie ticket auto to be a instrumental rookie card in football.

I think if you look at, obviously, the the Brady's contenders, this Manning kinda set the stage for it.

You look at today, we've got Mahomes, one of one. You've got Allen Josh Allen, one of ones. You've got the cracked ice, which has become such a key card. So this card, there's 200 copies.

This card, I think, will always be a very, very important rookie card, not just because it's one of the greatest players of all time and one of his first autographs, but most notably for what it is done for kind of the rest of the kind of rookie tickets that came after it.

Yeah. That's a great looking card.

And auto. It's all around. I'm surprised by that sale. That seems really high. I haven't done any research to look at past sales or anything, but for I feel like couple years ago, Manning wasn't really selling close to this.

That it I was the price got my attention. I was like, I gotta add this to the list here. And then the last card I wanna call out here was a card that just slipped by me.

I didn't even know this card, was up, and this is the, 20 or 2022, Chronicles, which I thought at first glance, I thought it was the, the regular black finite, but this will be interesting discussion in and of itself.

This is the, Chronicles prism black finite one of one.

And I think one thing that's interesting, and I was kind of, as I was preparing this, like, I originally thought this was his black finite, but I think that goes to show you it's like you gotta really pay attention to some of these cards, especially at the later end of the Panini era.

Obviously, last Brady, last year, Brady playing, and this thing sold for 15 k via best offer.

And I thought, like, that to me seems pretty high based on it being a chronicles, but then if this were a prism, to me, this would be extremely low.

So regardless of it being chronicles, I think the card itself, like, looks really, really cool.

And I don't know. It'll be interesting to see if the final year of some of these great players becomes a year that people want to collect, to kinda cap a historic career of an all time great.

So, yeah, I just thought this was a cool card to call out. I mean, I'm looking at the sale. EBay listing doesn't say chronicles in it. There's a They got it's it it dude, it got me. I I thought this I thought it was the the Prism.

Yeah. And this looks like it sold 05/04/2024 via Golden, the same card, for 3,300. So nice little 400%. I I wonder if the price would be different if Chronicles was in the the listing. Yeah. I'm surprised it passed authentication.

I feel like they they could have had a claim there to say this isn't what, you know, it was listed as. But, yeah, that I mean, Chronicles, I'm I don't know. I wouldn't want that card, but it looks sick.

It looks exactly like the the regular. But that's just weird to me to have a set that's, like, making the exact same cards of other cards. Like Yeah. Yeah. Are we doing? Why are we doing that? It's totally weird.

It's kind of it kinda reminds me of Prism Deco, which people have so many people have asked me, like, what are your thought position on Prism Deco? I'm just I'm out. I'm out. I gotta draw a line in the sand somewhere.

I and the what's crazy is I'll see the Colts cards of that, like, the blacks, which are the one of ones and the golds. And they they they're at prices that you know, I just talked about basically spending $350 on an Andre Johnson card.

Their price is way less than that, and I'll just sit and I'll just look at them and I'll just be like, nope. Not crossing that line.

Oh, man. Yeah. Decca, I'm just it's easier for me to just say absolutely not. Like, what there's enough that I'm already searching for. I have my lanes. I don't need recreations of the cards I'm actually chasing. Yes.

I threw I kinda threw this out at you at the eleventh hour, but I thought it'd be fun as we're rounding the corner to just kinda, like, maybe toss a question at each other that wasn't on the sheet, just kinda blindside each other with something, I can lead the way.

But I I'm trying to, like, customize this to what what, like, I know you like, and I think this would be a fun exercise. So my my first question to you is, in 2025, how many gold x fractures from 2,006 finest have sold?

How many do you would you say it sold publicly? Oh, from o six, you said? O six gold x factor out of 10. In 2025? Yep. Let's see. 25. 17. Okay.

Okay. I know some, like, random ones go here and there, like rookies and and things like that. But yeah. Okay. 17. That's okay. So I I have three examples from that list lot of 17, and I'm gonna ask you to guess how much it's sold for.

So the the first example is, man, it's a great card. Is this I saw this card. I was like, god. This card rules. It is the Larry Fitzgerald. How much do you think the Larry Fitzgerald sold for?

$7. 50. The Larry Fitzgerald sold for $7. 99. Pretty good. I tracked these I was I was probably watching it. Probably saw saw it all unfold. But How how cool is that card, though? What a card. I think I know where this ended up.

I think Dalfa maybe got it or Okay. Carlson. I think there was a connection there that, to help but one of them finish a pair, but, great card. The the next card, one of the greatest cornerbacks of all time, Champ Bailey.

What did Champ Bailey's, gold extractor sell for? Oh, 500. And you just this guy does do his work. This thing sold for $4. 99. So you got this. But, again, like, in the pose, in the stance, pretty cool card.

I love those cards. I look like I am partial to o five, but I still love o six. Final o six sale. It's the highest sale from this year, and it is of Randy Moss. How much did this sell for?

I feel like this was earlier, and it was just, like, 1,500? 1,500 is not correct. It sold for a $1,000 and, yeah, Raiders gear. Yeah. One of the greatest receivers of all time. Yeah. That's I think that's a good price.

I mean, this I just can't get enough of this stuff. This is I love this. This is the point I wanna make here. You have one of the most revered parallels of this era, and so many collectors talk about it.

And out of 17 sales, only one of the sales reached the a thousand dollar mark. So what is what does that tell you about these cards? We talk about them like they're, you know, $10,000 cards.

You know? Yeah. I mean, I I don't know. I'd be curious to see what, like, a Brady or a Manning would do. I feel like it that set needs one of those kinds of sales to maybe reset the market.

But I also don't know if the market's maybe not there yet, like, which is is fine by me. I, like, I like it when it gets attention and there are new collectors, but it also just makes things harder to get. But, yeah, I don't know.

I think it will have its day, but I also think there's something that, like, sales frequency helps drive price in a way where, like, you can there are, like, probably a 100 new listings every day of, like, credentials, PMGs, rubies.

Like, those sell all the time. So it's, like, easier to see when there's, like, an uptick as it's growing, whereas there's 17 sales of that in six months.

You know? It's like they don't like, if o six gold extractors were selling every week and there was, like, chances to get them and people, like, talking about it, like, then I think you could see the hype growing.

Whereas right now, it's still kind of, more in the shadows, I think, people talking about it or us talking about it on a podcast.

But, yeah, I I just don't think they sell enough, necessarily to to give, like, clear evidence that they're gaining in value.

Because sometimes it's like, oh, that like, yeah. Maybe the price jumped, but it's not enough to say, like, is that the value? Did someone overspend just to get it? Like, maybe the next one could go lower.

So yeah. Dude, your call out I I think about the credentials of it all, and it took the Brett Favre. It took Drake getting the Manning. It took those heavy hitters to sell in football for then all the the the prices to be elevated.

So I think that's probably a good call out. It probably takes a Brady or Manning to come out, but I'm like sick I'm like, Randy Moss, Champ, Bailey. Like, those are, like, the best players of this era.

So I don't know if you like this stuff and you can find it. I think it's still a pretty good time to jump on on the train. Yes. I don't have a question for you. I wasn't prepared on this.

I know. I I blind I blindsided you, which is completely fine. I I feel like that was a this is the first app, man. We Yeah. We just we we went over an hour. So I'll I'll let you just, hopefully, everyone enjoyed this.

I'll let you close this out. Yeah. I think, wanna round it out with what I'm temporarily, until I could think of a better name, calling the card callout where wherein we wanna see cards.

I want this show to give people reasons to post their cards, and maybe it's cards you've had for a long time. It's not always about new cards you're buying.

Like, you can be active in the hobby without buying cards all the time. So and the Football with Card podcast is a advocate of running the damn ball. So I wanna see those running back cards.

If you have, you know, any card of any running back for whatever reason that you wanna feel like sharing, telling a story behind, post it, you know, in your feed, on your stories, however you want to.

Tag on Instagram the football card pod. That is the Instagram handle. And next week, Brett and I will talk about some of our favorites. We'll share some from the account.

But, yeah, let's see those running backs. That is the bat signal for the pod. Appreciate everyone tuning in. If you enjoyed this, make sure you tell a damn friend. Pack, I'm excited to get back in the saddle and do this again next week.

This is gonna be a fun, fun show to run. Yes. I'm excited. Thanks for for doing this with me. Thank you all for listening. Follow the Football Card Pod on Instagram. Follow stacking slabs, and, yeah, we'll see you next week.