Alright. We are back with another episode of Smashing Ben.

This is going to be a a fun conversation digging into, some cards, mostly forty niners cards. I like to customize these episodes to the guest, and today's guest has been on the show. It's been a minute.

Big forty niners fan. I am joined by Tim at Timmer's Cards. Tim, we both had days, stretches. We're here to talk cards, though. How's it going? How are you? It's awesome. Brett, thank you so much for having me back on.

These are, as you know, my most favorite episodes is just straight to collector talk, and and it doesn't get better than that. Even if it's not something I collect, I enjoy these episodes, and people's viewpoints so much.

So I appreciate getting to be part of it. So thank you. So I wasn't planning on this, but I'm thinking back about some of your recent posts, and maybe we'll start here.

You gotta run me through you have a whole new display, that you have built, that you have shown on Instagram that I know I thought was cool and got a lot of response and reaction.

Maybe talk and because I feel like listeners are always looking for inspiration on ways to display their cards. Maybe talk through what you built, how long it took, and kinda your your purpose before we got get into the cards.

So, length of build time and actual work put in are so different things for me because you're picking moments here and there that you can work on something. So it did take over a year to kind of put the finishing touches on.

But if I had dedicated straight time to it, I could have probably knocked it out in two days. So, inspiration for me so I wanna I don't wanna forget to shout out some of this, But, Star Wars Crazy, that guy's displays, are awesome.

And he was, very, eager to help me find different aspects of how I wanted to what kind of shelves to use, what kind of cardholders, all the things that he he did.

He was linking stuff to me. He was very, generous with his time and information. So that was one. And then a lot of it is just on maybe different Facebook pages, seeing people's man caves and and some of the things that they've done.

My buddy, Josh, Jamieson's junk box, he has, you know, his cards out on display, and that was also another kind of kick in the rear for me to get it done myself.

So that was some of the inspiration for it. I don't know if you've had this issue this issue, but I had a heck of a time over the course of the fifteen years we've been in this house getting my own corner for something like this.

It seems like every time I designated what I thought would be a great spot for something, it turned into another kid's playroom.

Like, it just kept happening, and they got to the point where, I think my stuff was making enough mess that my wife was like, alright.

Take this exercise room and turn it into a card room. And what was a very happy just happenstance is that card room, because of my basement layout, has a closet, adjoined to it that's a very good sized closet.

And for me, that was perfect for displaying cards because I don't have to worry about sunlight in there. It's a basement closet, and, I'm able to close the door. And I got a keypad on it to lock it, so it's very protected in there.

And then I use all the UV protected, pro molds because those, as far as Star Wars crazies test results came back, because those were kinda top of the line in terms of UV protection.

So, I took a lot of that into account when I kinda set it up.

And then the rest of it, the actual build was just, I'm okay at this sort of thing is, I work construction. So if I see a space and I have a vision, I can kinda make stuff work. And a lot of that was what went into this.

You I love it. The whole the whole time, I was trying to think about the lighting and the situation, but you've got, like, a basement vault where you've got this all with a keypad, and that is quite the setup.

And so if you wanna see this, make sure you check out Tim's page at Timmer's Cards.

He he took some video of it. Maybe one more before we get into it. What is it about? I I'm fascinated by this topic of, like, how we present or how do we store our collections.

We've had plenty of conversations, and I've always known this about you that there's something you appreciate something about, like, the space presenting your cards in a certain way.

When you think about that, like, why did you go through this effort? Why did you take all of this time to build a place where your cards could be easily displayed.

What what does that say about you, I guess, as a collector? I think it says that I like some things to be organized. I like to see continuity, and I don't know that you can see continuity if it's just stuff in a box.

So I like to actually look at them. So I haven't posted an update for a while, but I also like album building. I like set building, because those also kind of, contribute to continuity in a collection, and and it looks more purposeful.

And and that is how I collect even though I've gotten better. There are, you know, your random strays that kinda get into your collection, and some of them stick, some of them don't.

But, overall, in the, let's say, eight years I've been back into collecting now, I've definitely grown towards, being able to see end goals and and pictures of these things.

So I think that's where the displays come in is it's a way of me showing that I'm working towards that.

I'd be remiss not to ask you, about your 40 niners. How are you feeling about your 40 niners right now, Purdy, the pay getting paid, all that? Like, how are you feeling going into this year?

Optimistic as always. They they have good players still. You know, we're getting older. A couple years ago, when we lost that Super Bowl, when we left the stadium so my son and I were fortunate to get to go to that game.

But when we left the stadium, my overall feeling then was is that this was maybe our chance Was that was that game? And you don't get a lot of those chances.

So going into seasons, I'm always optimistic that they're going to be competitive and they're gonna win games, and I'm happy with that. And if they make the playoffs, that's pretty awesome. Not a lot of teams get to say that, each year.

So I don't I'm not one of those fans where it has to be a Super Bowl appearance or win or failure. Like, good seasons are good seasons, and we're appreciative of any win they can get. And I think they'll be able to pile up.

You know? 10 would be nice and more would be great, to where they can maybe get a shot in the playoffs. And as you know, when they get into the playoffs, really independent of their seed, they can make some, noise in there.

I haven't asked you yet, but I I'm I'm excited, to to land your various word on the Colts. We needed, somebody, somebody back there outside of Kenny Moore who could, you know, play man to man defense against someone.

What what can I expect from him? Obviously, I've seen, you know, read a bunch all this, but you've you've watched him every game.

He's he's played for however many years. Like, what what can I expect from him? And even before, you know, on the niners, he he wreaked havoc on that Super Bowl loss, when he was playing on the Chiefs.

And and, yeah, he's in the mix on every play. He's not afraid to get in there, and he's a very physical physical quarterback. He's confident quarterback, cornerback, and he, matches up well against, you know, your big size receivers.

I'm trying to think in the AFC South who you guys got, going against you guys. I guess you got, a couple young good, receivers for the Jags to go up against.

Oh, yeah. And then you got Nico Collins twice a year. Like, so he'll match up really well against those those big guys because he's a big frame himself. And, as with a lot of the forty niners defense, it's a 100% every play.

So when he is out there and when he's healthy, he's gonna give you a 100% every play. And that's the drawback to those type of players is, they do tend to get injured when they're physical, and I think you just gotta take that with it.

No one wanna see him go, but I think every forty niner fan understood the circumstances of why he wanted to go.

And, he's definitely gonna be missed, and you guys got a good one there. You've only gotten good 40 from you guys before. You you got Buckner. Like, that one was a tough one to go. Like, you guys have a pretty good recruiting from us.

We we like the forty niners pipeline in Indianapolis. That's for sure, and it's fun to talk football. My mind has been just consumed by basketball, so this is fun to just be in this mode, talk football and football cards.

So let's get into it. What I like about you is you're always just very prepared. You always have a lot to say, and, I go back and with all these guests letting the listeners know.

And you certainly when I asked you for a card, you shared several cards, and you not only shared several cards that would qualify as bin smashers, but you kinda created different categories.

So I want to we're gonna get into your we're gonna highlight three of your cards, which we've usually done one in the past, but I was so compelled because of your breakdown of this.

Let's start here. Binsmash, how do you think about Binsmashing? Why do you Binsmash? And then we'll get into kind of the three different categories, that you've laid out.

If someone really wants a breakdown of bin smashing technique and and categories, 1956 tops collector, that was so fun listening to him talk about all the different, you know, types of bin smashing.

That was that was a lot of fun. For me, it's, maybe more centered around passion. Do I need that card? Is it within reason? There you go.

And if it's one on my target list, primarily my, prism golds, my gold vinyls, those are easy smashes. You don't think twice. You don't get options on them very often. They they do get gobbled up, so you do have to move fast on those.

If it's something an outlier, like the one we'll talk about, a super factor, I am not the best when something has a listing and a best offer and it's a one zero one card.

I'm not the best at smashing that right away because one on ones are tough to price.

I never really know how close I am. So, yeah, I I do have to think about those sometimes. Okay. So let's get into the card and this is what you've coined as your traditional bin smash. I've got it pulled up on the screen for Patreon.

This is your 2006 Bowman Chrome Alex Smith Super Fracture one of one. And what's fun about this, Tim, is I was just remit reminiscing based on another o six, Larry Fitzgerald Red Refractor that was shared by Lingua Sports Cards.

And this this set is nostalgic to me because when I was at my big show back in the hobby, it was, I think, twenty twenty one Dallas card show.

And Josh Johnson, Cardboard Chronicles, and I decided to find the cheapest boxes that interested us, and it was 2,006 Bowman Chrome football. And so we bought a few of those boxes and ripped them ripped them and didn't get anything.

Certainly didn't get a super fracture. But every time I see an o six Bowman Chrome, I think about this moment. So this card to me, has probably, more significance than you imagine, but let's talk about it.

Like, talk about this card. You've been on the show. You're obviously a huge Alex Smith fan, but, yeah, get into it. So with this card, I have a few safe searches to try to cast a wide net for something like this.

And Bowman Super Factor isn't on there. Chrome Super Factor, maybe not even necessarily on there because I'm kind of a finest, fanatic there.

So I have finest, super factors on safe search. I do have tops chrome super factors on the safe search, but I do have Alex Smith one zero one, Alex Smith gold vinyl, Alex Smith, super factor.

So when this popped up, I did catch it on a few different ones, And it was listed, I I don't remember, let's say around a thousand bucks or something like that and or best offer.

And it was late at night when it popped up, or maybe it was just late at night when I got to see it just, you know, after you get kids down and kind of settled in for the evening, I start scrolling later.

And, came across this, and maybe not shortly after I spotted it, I got a DM from Gunther, Gunther's cards letting me know or sending a link for this card as well.

And I think I replied to him something like, yeah. I I'm gonna put in an offer. And he's he said, you're absolutely crazy. He goes, it's not gonna make it to morning.

And, again, with me not really necessarily knowing what, sometimes one on ones can go for, super factors, or some different things like that, I I overthink these a lot of times, and I'll sit there and and, think, well, can I can I get it for a little less?

Can I put it off, or can I do that? So I I put my phone down for a little bit, and maybe twenty minutes or something like that.

And I came back, and I opened up my phone, and I went to look for the card, and I couldn't find the card. And I started really panicking that he was right.

Gonthru was right. It sold that fast. And I don't know why sometimes with eBay or maybe it was just user error, the card was still there. I just was having a hard time locating it, but I did locate it after a few minutes.

And that feeling that I had had when I thought it disappeared was everything I needed to know about whether I should smash it or not. So I did. Instantly, as soon as I found it again, I hit that and, put it in the cart.

And then I think I got a message from Gunther, maybe the next morning. He goes, was it you? Was it you? Or he making sure that I had, because when we had last talked, I had said something about maybe placing an offer.

And and, it was nice that he was looking out for me and even concerned for my, ability to reason or lack of reason on this particular card. But so he helped encourage on this one.

But the real motivation was the gut wrenching feeling that I had when I thought that I missed it for being stupid. How so often in these conversations we learn of others sharing and just, obviously, you're a Niners fan, Alex Smith fan.

You share your cards. People know what you like to collect because you do a good job of sharing your cards. How important is having someone like a Gunther who I would say Gunther this is Gunther's specialty.

Right? He he he operates in this 2000 to 2010 era football higher end stuff that, maybe the market hasn't completely picked up on yet. But, certainly, for the hardcore collectors, we really love this stuff.

When when when Gunther said to you, like, there's no way this is going to last, like, in knowing Gunther's credibility when it comes to this stuff, like, what what is that sort of, feedback do for you as a collector when you're kinda hearing some feedback from someone else in the community who kinda collect similar stuff as you?

That that means a lot to me because, as maybe as passionate as I as I am about collecting, I don't take the time to research, as in-depth on pricing.

I mean, I'm a card ladder subscriber, so that's super helpful, to kinda let you know if you're in the right range. But other than that, I'm really reliant on people like Gunther. Mortal Kombat helped me out on some cards.

And then I wanna make sure I don't miss this this time because I I credited Gunther, during our showcase for something, which he's awesome. But it was Ben, Brooklyn Berry Bright, that has also helped me with a lot of this stuff.

And all of those people I mean, everyone knows their name because they are so, prevalent in this type of thing and chrome and finest and these, this era of, shiny cards.

And if if you're going against their thoughts, then you're just being, obstinate.

Like, they they know what they're talking about, and it's wise to, listen to their advice. When you mentioned you're more into the finest stuff than the chrome stuff, which I agree.

I'm the same way. When you got this card in and it became part of your collection, did it shift or change your opinion regarding the Bowman Chrome product in football at all?

It it's, well, what I like about it is I do like that the chrome is everywhere. You know, sometimes you don't get that gold over all portions of a card, and I don't know if that's different from year to year.

But it certainly met every expectation that I had in hand and and stacks up right right alongside the finest.

I think the fact that I like finest maybe over Bowman or, or Topps Chrome isn't necessarily a comparison of their super factors one to one.

Like, those compare pretty evenly. I think it's maybe along the lines of some of the other, parallels that they might have in one product versus the other.

I love the look of this. When you've got the player upfront, obviously, super fracture pattern, but then the background is, like, blurred out.

You can see, like, the umpire in the back. I mean, this is these car like, I've always liked those six chrome for a lot of reasons I've said, but just like this in super fracture form really hits.

Yeah. Okay. Let's move over to the next example, which you call out as a social media listing smash. What does that mean, Tim?

Well, along the same lines of, you know, the importance of people looking out for you, on eBay listings through, you know, Instagram links and Facebook Messenger, Equally important is when people see cards posted in, whether it's a, you know, a Facebook group like buy, sell, trade or or our 40 niner groups or, you know, there's a several that I'm part of.

The amount of times I check them a day is nonexistent. I don't ever check Facebook groups hardly ever. And so I'm really reliant again on people maybe tagging me if someone lists the card.

Now this particular card is one of those never evers I actually did check our Facebook group, and it was I think it was a Sunday morning, and I just happened to open up one of the 40 collector groups.

And this card was listed amongst, I think it was a dozen others that someone was selling off part of their collection.

And it was such an easy purchase for me. I had just gotten, from team Terrell Owens, who is the gentleman who provided me my, 2012 finest Vernon Davis Super Factor.

Later on, he sold me a bunch of NT one zero ones like this lot of Vernon Davis. I have this very similar version of Vernon Davis in the Ruby.

They have more than one one zero one. They have a a platinum foil. They have a ruby foil. They they have a few different one zero ones in that case. So I already had a card that was very similar to this, so I knew I liked it.

And I had been waiting for a Ronnie Locke card for probably seven years because a lot of what you come across with him are sticker autos or, I don't know, just things that don't have the same eye appeal as what this card did.

So, this was a fun one also because after the post had been made that morning and after I had claimed this card, I probably had 50 DMs from other people in the group. Just say, no. I I want it.

You sell it to me. Sell it. I'll flip it. I'm like, sorry. Sorry. That's you know? I got the early bird this one time, and I'm gonna enjoy it. I've this tends to be a part of maybe every conversation we have, but I'm interested.

You've got a forty niners legend, one of the greatest defensive players of all time, Ronnie Lott, who, you know, if you have a Mount Rush more of Niners players, you know, he might be on it.

Certainly, one of the greatest Niners ever, which is weird as an outsider looking in, like, you know, it's you Montana and Rice, when you're talking about this arrogant most of the publicity, but Ronnie Lott was, you know, just as he was really, really, really good.

Go watch any of his NFL film specials.

But you've got a player this good and this established. However, like, the cards don't match up just based on the era that he played, and you mentioned, like, in this post playing day, phase, a lot of the stuff is sticker.

What is it like for you as such a hardcore niners guy who loves the team, loves this player, but it it's it's just more challenging to collect some of the best players because, like, a Montana, they didn't necessarily have cards that were cards you want while they were playing.

It was very challenging when I started in particular. You know, I was buying a lot of modern product when I got back into collecting.

So if you're gonna get, Montana rice, they're gonna be in the form of an autograph, which I I was very enthusiastic about, you know, when I got, exposure to that.

I did bore of it because after a certain amount of time, I don't know what the connection I didn't have a connection to my Joe Montana autograph.

I didn't have a connection to some of these cards, that were more modern because there there was no clear start and end point, which, you know, when I was collecting as a kid, that was really easy because I did the player runs, and that was one card a year, and it really wasn't difficult.

But as I got progressing into collecting, it did get easier because I started to find just specific sets that I would collect, those those particular players in.

And then I got exposure to cards like this where, to me, there's more of a connection to the player when you get a game used jersey attached to it rather than an autograph, whether it's on card or sticker auto, just because there's a lot less, especially with Joe, because he'll sign anything you put in front of him for a fee.

But there's a lot of autographs of him out there. So it kind of lost its luster. But when it comes to game use stuff, there's not as much out there.

Certainly not genuine game use stuff. It it did dry up. He doesn't they didn't have a different jersey every single game. Like, they might wear one or two jerseys throughout the year, so there just wasn't a ton of that.

And same thing with Ronnie. So when it comes to these older, old school players, Rice, Watt, Montana, Steve Young, Roger Craig is another one that I throw in there.

The game use stuff is what I'm really kind of gravitating towards. Do you, do you with the game use stuff and especially with a player like Ronnie Lott, which I do this is probably the game used Ronnie Lott anything I've ever seen.

That's why it, like, took me a while. I was, like, thinking about it. Do you ever, like, think about, like because he's such a legend and it seems like he played forever ago.

Do you ever, like, think of, like, pick up this card and think about, like, the that piece of memorabilia and just think about when was the moment that he was wearing this?

Like, does that stuff cross your mind? Yeah. If I was more research oriented, I would actually know answers to some of that stuff.

I do find it fascinating, and I have other game use stuff from other players where people have been generous enough or maybe they're just super into it where they actually link me the, auction where that material was sold, presumably to Panini in this instance.

And then, you can, you know, go off of that, auction to find the material and see you know, photo match it to a game. And I've been able to do that with a Drew Brees card that I have.

And I always I thought that was really interesting. Generally, most of the time, I try to think of just maybe specific moments or plays that those players had, not necessarily the ones they were wearing that that particular patchwork.

Because a lot of times, that's really, really difficult to, pinpoint those times. Not all of them are as, I guess, easily photo matched as others.

But, yeah, it it is fun to go back and hold something like this and think of him absolutely laying out a big hit on Mark Bavaro or someone like that. Like yeah. I wouldn't wanna take one of Ronnie Lott's hits. Me do you neither would I.

We'll just enjoy talking about him in his cards. The last one here is the private sales smash, and this is the 2012, where it the niners is the trend here, but probably not someone you think about when we say forty niners.

But he was in fact there. And what's interesting about him and this is Randy Moss, and this is his 2012 brilliance, black finite one of one and a PSAA.

What's interesting about the niners of it all with Randy Moss is that the year that Panini had the license and all those year products, you get a lot of Randy Moss and forty niner stuff, which is cool for forty niners collectors, but it's probably not the, probably not the cheapest stuff you can buy.

But get into this card, the private bin smash of it all, and kinda what went on when you got this.

Yeah. I think it all started with the the message. When you see a a DM from, well so it was from, former flippity flip, now goat wide receiver collection, Jesse, who you just had an episode on, with.

And Jesse and I have talked in the past, and and I I would I would consider him a a nice hobby friend. He's not someone that we talk daily or even weekly.

So you may not have this experience anymore just because I can't imagine what your DMs are. They're they're probably pretty pretty full. But I have my usual suspects of maybe six or seven that we talk pretty frequently.

And then when you see someone, again, similar to maybe, Ben or or or Paul or or someone that Gunther, like, when you see these DMs come in to you to your inbox and you're not used to seeing that name, that's a cool feeling there because I know he's not just sending me a DM for nothing.

There's gonna be something really cool on the other end of this.

So that was the thought when I saw Jesse's DM. And then I opened it, and it was well beyond what I had hoped, because it was this this, 2012 finite, prism finite of Randy Moss, and it's the brilliance insert.

And I had seen this when Jesse had posted it to his page and, just loved it, you know, gave it a like, gave it a cool comment that, you know, that I was very, I don't know that I said I was jealous of it, but I was I admired the card.

I thought it was a very awesome card. And I maybe we spoke privately about it, maybe a congratulations. I tend to not push on stuff like this because it it fits his his collection perfectly.

So I never pursued it. So when he presented it to me as something he was thinking of parting with, I think he asked if I would be interested in it. And the answer was 100% absolutely. I'm very interested in it.

And maybe he knows this or maybe he doesn't, but really the number he's gonna come back at me after that with again, if it's anywhere within reason of what I was thinking, I'm going to accept it because I want to have a reputation of being easy to work with with with people that especially if it's cards that I've shown interest in.

I mean, there's nothing that bothers me more than someone, you know, DMing me constantly, constantly, constantly about a card that I don't wanna sell.

If I wanna sell, that's one thing. But if it's something I don't wanna sell and they're kind of pestering me for it and then they are gonna haggle on top of it, that's not gonna be a fun experience for me.

So I try to think of it from the opposite side when someone presents a card to me that whether I pester them for it or not, I want them to think, that this is gonna be an easy sale and that they're gonna be happy where it goes and they're gonna be happy with the result of the sale.

And I hope Jesse feels the same way for this because, aside from just the the money aspect of it, it was a fun conversation connecting with him again and, being able to talk about this specific card and my love for for Randy Moss.

And that year, that was a Super Bowl year for the forty niners. So while it's an outlier for a lot of Randy Moss collectors, that's a very important year for me is is 2,012 releases.

And, and I I I absolutely love this card. What's awesome story love to hear that. I think what's cool about this card and I I talk a lot about prism, but I don't really give prism inserts much time.

But I think what's cool about brilliance for any of you prism synths out there who are researching, brilliance is really like the prism insert that kinda with, withstands the test of time and still showing up today.

So, like, when you were was that even a considerate like, did that matter to you, like, looking at, like, what type of insert it was, or was it just the fact that it was a Randy Moss finite you were that was good enough for you?

That one, it it was good enough for me. I'm not opposed to inserts because those are the ones I can afford. Those are the ones that are presented to me. You you don't have the the base finites, presented to you.

I mean, I I want them. I can't seem to have those. So I did start picking up finite inserts, and I've been happy to do so. I I, I admire their they're just as beautiful. So I have no problem, with that aspect.

So that was easy. I forgot to mention another, just really cool connection to this specific card is I do have the gold version of this card. Mhmm. And I did buy it through eBay through the seller of flippity flip cards at that time.

And I did you know, I didn't I don't know that Jesse and I knew each other. I recognized the name when I bought it, but I don't know that we had ever talked. And then, I had posted that I bought it, and he had reached out.

He's like, that was my card. So it's kinda funny. And he didn't even think of that when he reached out to me with this one, that I now have both of his former, brilliance, Randy Moss cards in my collection. So it was kind of fun.

But, no, the the insert, I'm happy to take inserts all day. I love it how, just without any strategy behind it, we're talking about one collector from the previous week's smashing bin episode, making deals with the next.

That's, some hobby content collector continuity there. Awesome cards. Hopefully, you all, now understand the traditional social media and the private bin smash of it all.

I wanna jump over to card ladder and talk about some bin smashes with you that I picked out. The one here is the o four upper deck ultimate collection patch auto Montana out of 25 PSA 10 auto 10 pop one.

This sold March 18 via bin smash on eBay for nearly $7,000. When you saw this card, Tim, what's going on in your head with maybe this Montana card?

Is this been one that's been on your radar you've tracked in just the price of it? So I'm a big fan of Ultimate Collection, o three and o four, the like this.

I love the pose. I love his elbow pad that he has on there. Yeah. I think all of it's awesome. The design of Ultimate Collection for 2003 and 2004 is among my favorite cards.

I own none. I have bid on none because in our '49 or or rather our Joe Montana group, this is absolute wheelhouse of some of my really good friends in there.

So when I see stuff like this, as much as I may like it, I'm tending to link it to these guys. And we're talking Mike, Joe Montana, 16 collector, and then there's Mark, who's Joe Montana collector, and, Don father.

Don, he doesn't even have a Facebook page. Iconic card collector. All of them maybe Mark doesn't, but all of them have this card already.

I was kind of, researching on it. But when I see stuff like this, I I fall into their collections. And I'd had no idea this these cards existed until we had done a showcase, and they started popping them up.

And I absolutely loved them. But it's one of those things that sometimes I feel like I'm too late to the game to get into them, affordably because, yeah, when you see a price like that, that makes sense.

I'm sure all of those guys were able to secure theirs well before they got up to these prices.

But it makes sense to me when you see a price like this because when I think about where I know four of these cards are, I know they're in collections that they're not going anywhere.

So these are not gonna be cards that you're gonna see every year or three. 2,003, I think, is is maybe even more expensive than this.

They're they're really tough. And, of course, the grade, you know, certainly didn't hurt the price because when you're thinking of a fixed stock card, you know, with a jersey in it, getting a double 10 is probably pretty unusual.

So, yeah, I I totally understand the price even though it's not something I I, delve into.

You said something there that I wanna, like, spotlight. And you you made mention of, like, yeah. These cards are great, but I I probably missed the boat on these based on price point.

And I think that's an interesting thread to pull on because no matter how much you love Montana, no matter how much you think this card is amazing, like, there are these moments where you have to justify, like, can I really spend this or give up this much of my collection to get this card?

How much of, like, that thought process do you go through regularly as cool cards are popping up that fit within kind of the Niners collection that you're building?

Consciously, not very much anymore. Like, I I know my wheelhouse. I've I've I've pretty much made my path, and and I'm gonna try to stick to it. And, again, I'm not perfect, so outliers will sneak in.

But it does help knowing people that do delve in this. So that's kind of an easy route for me to still get enjoyment out of finding cards like this, just still be able to help place it maybe with someone who, does delve in that area.

But, yeah, you know, if I had infinite money and I knew all these guys that I'm friends with already have copies, then, yeah, I'll jump into their their wheelhouse and not worry about stepping on toes.

But, it's not a conscious thing, I think, anymore because I feel like maybe about three years ago, I was so overwhelmed with quantity of card that I very much kind of sat down with everything, figured out my pathways, what I enjoy, what I wanna go towards.

And now I don't even think about it when I I know what I want. Awesome. Alright. Next card is a card I know you've got a copy of, which is the 24 George Kittle Gold Prism out of 10.

This sold 01/22/2025 for $275. George Kittle, when I think of the niners of this era, I think of George Kittle. When I think of cards of this era, I think of the gold prism. Talk to me about just, like, your thoughts on the '20 four.

I know you're a Kittle guy, so you got a lot of gold prism. But what do you think about the '24 of it all and, George Kittle just as a niner, and I know you collect him, so talk about it.

Got my Kittle shirt. The There it is. It's it's edited. It's clean for TV, but it is, the Dallas star, the the keep it clean Dallas shirt. So, yeah, George is awesome.

And you know that I have this card because you were generous enough to link it to me, a couple months before this right at, Niner Niner or rather Prism release. I I think I might have got the copy, and mine was also been smashing.

It was $20 less than this. So Oh, yeah. It's like it was awesome. So thank you for that link. Yeah. And I think at the time that I had smashed it, the the conversation too was with George in particular.

He appeals to so many '40 niner collectors. You might have people that are more into, hard nosed, gritty, defensive type, hard hitting guys. They're gonna like George because George does that.

And then you have the electric playmakers, you know, like, the the offensive, you know, skill positions, collectors that people like, wide receivers or running backs or quarterbacks that people are gonna like.

George can do that too. Dude's electric. He's physical. He's braggadocious. So if you like that confidence, you're gonna get that with him.

But he's also very smart in what he says, and he's very humble. And I feel like he's one of those guys that does the game the right way. So traditionalists are gonna like him too. I don't know who doesn't like George Kittle.

I like George Kittle. Awesome. He's so fun. So he's gonna have a broad, collector class, and I didn't specific target him. You know, he is in the sets that I'm collecting. So in that aspect, I was going after his cards.

But he's certainly, over the years, become a safe player to collect for 40, currently because sometimes you worry about, is a player gonna move on to another team, or is he gonna, you know, fizzle out and maybe not have the career trajectory that we think that he might have to where his cards like, I may want them.

I'll always want them, but maybe I can wait five years because they're gonna be cheaper then. George, in my opinion, biased as it might be, he's gonna be a hall of famer.

I I don't see how he doesn't make the hall of fame. I feel like he's done enough already, and he's got years to go. So I feel like he's gonna be a hall of famer, so that's a heck of a big box to check.

He's fan favorite, big box to check on that. And then he's in cards like this that are gonna be, very collectible for a long period of time, like the gold vinyls, the gold prisms.

And then, I was hoping it was gonna be today, but by the time you post this, I'm gonna be posting a very awesome George Kittle card out of 2024, Panini Prizm that is being delivered tomorrow. Oh, that is quite the teaser.

You're gonna have to check out Tim's page at timberscards to check out that drop. You know, we got a new tight end, Tyler Warren here in Indianapolis, and I'm always just like, you know, if he can just be anything like George.

Killer will be will be Yes. Alright. Last one, which is the non niners card feature, but I picked it because I wanted to talk about the o two, finest x factor.

And this is the, tops o two tops finest x factor of Michael Vick. This thing sold for $600 March 21, via fixed price bin smash.

When I saw this, just knowing what the buzz is around o two finest x factors and knowing Michael Vick's allure and appeal, among so many collectors. I looked at this. I was like, $600.

Like, that feels like a a pretty decent price for whoever got their hands on this. But I know you love Finest. Maybe talk a little bit about these cards and just anything you wanna share, anything Michael Vick related, anything at all.

Sure. So, I recently was able to add my o two Xfractor. I I already mentioned his name, but Paul, Mortal Kombat had one up on a story sale, and it was this, TO card.

And there's cards that you see in life, or you see posted, and you maybe you get one. And some of them don't hit, as much as you want to. There there have been cards that just don't hit for me when I get them. This one hit.

These o two extractors, as much as people are hyping them up, or at least the people I am associating on Instagram, I mean, not everyone follows the same people as me, but, they're very popular in the circle that I run, and rightfully so, they are awesome cards.

As far as the price of this VIC, absolutely all day, that seems like a great price for for one of these cards.

My TO is a a stretch more than that. So, you know, have having the knowledge of knowing what they really look like in hand, I would confidently say if someone has a player in this set, in this specific parallel, that they can find, yes.

Get get it if you have the opportunity. They're they will not disappoint.

They are amazing cards. So so much we hear friends in the hobby or people who collect similar things, like gassing up, talking about how much a certain card is great, and why they like it, and over and over and over again.

And I was probably, Tim, a contributor to that with with this parallel just because I think it's phenomenal.

And I like the x fracture involvement in it too. What was that like for you realizing when you got this t o in hand that, you know what?

Like, these everyone who was chatting at the mountaintops about how great these cards were right, like, what was that moment of realization knowing that, like, the high it was worth the hype? Well, that that's always a nice feeling.

I had a I had a little bit more confidence going into this one, just for the sources of the the hype. And then even someone who doesn't hype up these cards really ever, my good friend, Mike, Joe Montana 16 collector, Mad Mike.

So, Mike, I had reached out to him after I'd saw the story sale because it's a TO card. And, Mike, he's one of those guys that when you send him something, you're like, hey.

What's your opinion about this card, this price, whatever it might be? He always says, hold on. I got that card, which he did, of course, have this card.

And and he had also said, price is great, but the card is awesome. You're not good. And he knows what I like. We've met, you know, in person. We have he has a very good understanding of what my collection is.

So with his confidence played into that, that that was a nice contributing factor. All that said, still, seeing it for yourself in person, going out on doing the patio test like you like to do, maybe your sunroom.

Yeah. I have a patio, you know, on the north side of my house that I'll go out there in my backyard and and maybe catch the sun.

I have a couple videos of some of my, finest pulsars, my Alex Smith and Vernon Vernon Davis out there. There are certain cards that when you hit them in the sun, the pulsars and this x factor, they absolutely they just light up.

It it's like a disco ball. They're so much fun. I've got my my Manning is in a it's in a Beckett slab, and I feel like the Beckett slab masks the true power and beauty of these cards.

And so one of my goals at the Nationals to get it crossed over to a a TSA slab, and hopefully, I can enjoy some more of that, in the sunroom.

This has been awesome. I we in the episode where I kind of pull up a card that I found on eBay that, I just I want your opinion on it, Tim, and I feel like you might have an opinion.

You might have seen this card before. It's got a high price, but here's the card. And the card is the, 2,000 upper deck Montana, Master Collection, Montana Jerry Rice dual auto.

It's out of 10. It's in a BGS nine five auto 10. The autographs are bold. I don't know. I this made me feel something when I saw Montana and Rice on the same card, Otto's on the same card, but what's your opinion on on this card?

So circling back to the ultimate collection conversation we had earlier, I have friends that are very into this card.

So I have I've been enjoying their conversation with Ben, part of our our Montana group chat, for, for for a while now.

And, I I won't say your divulged names of who specifically was was trying to land it, and it's, you know, more than one.

And, I I believe they they were speaking with the seller privately before it got listed too, so they may have an in there.

But, yeah, it's another one that yeah. From for the age of it, you know, a twenty five year old card, gem mint, two two ten autos like they are. They're both very nice autos.

And and that's not such a big deal for Jerry because he still got a nice auto. Joe's autograph is, really declined the last three, four years. You know, I'm sure there's hand issues or, you know, he he's having issues.

His signature is not the same as what it was twenty five years ago or even five years ago. So to be able to get a 10 auto of him on this, this is a monster card, and and I I completely understand why someone would smash the bin on this.

I won't be that person because I have a friend that's really trying to to get this card. I love it. My only qualm about this one is is I wish Montana and Rice, the place Yeah.

I wish they were swapped because you could see Montana throwing it and the ball landing in Rice. And I don't even care. You can keep the white jersey on Montana.

Yeah. No. You know what I mean? As soon as you started to say that, absolutely, that would have been the the next step up. Yeah. Oh, Tim, I always enjoy, learning from you, hearing your passion, and sharing your story.

You can follow him at timris cards on Instagram. Tim, man, this was fun. Can't wait to do it again down the road. Thank you, Brett. This was a blast. I appreciate it.