Alright. We are back. Collector conversation time. I am joined. It's been a long time, and I needed to have this conversation because a lot of thoughts were going on in my head about this topic.

And I figured a great person to talk about Luka in Luka collecting and Luka's transition would be with my good friend, Kristina at Kristina 's PC of the card ladder team. Kristina , welcome back.

It's been a while. How are you? I'm great. Thank you so much, Brett, for having me on. Like, I always love our conversations. And when immediately, as soon as you said it, I was like, okay. When? Like, when can we get this on the books?

Like, I'm down. So and this is a timely topic that needs to be discussed. Yeah. I, you know, it's been talked about on podcasts, and it's been overanalyzed by the NBA media, and you can take that for what it's worth. But I don't know.

I thought it would be fun to talk about the Luka of it all and just talk about his transition, what that's kinda meant for you and your collecting, and then also maybe, like, rewind the tape back to the beginning of your Luka collection or collecting.

But maybe we I would I maybe we start here. I just wanna know, you know, the bombshell, when the bombshell dropped and the news came out. And I wanna like, where in life were you? What was going on? Maybe let's start there.

Yeah. So, I was actually it was, like, 11:30PM or, like, a little after, and I on a Saturday night. And I was actually making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich because I was about to start sales for card ladder.

So I was like, I need some I need some sustenance to, like, do my sales shift. And Chris came running upstairs, and he was like, Luka just got traded to the Lakers. And my immediate response was shut up.

Because for those people who don't know me that well, they might be surprised to find out or maybe not. I'm extremely gullible. Like like, when people tell me things, like, I always assume people are being honest.

So I'll be like, wait. Really? Like, and then they'll be like, no. Like, are you stupid? And I'm like, well, no. I'm not stupid. I just, like, trusted you.

My bad. So it's like this ongoing thing with, Chris and, like, my family and his family. Like, what outrageous thing can we get Kristina to, like, take seriously for five seconds before we tell her, like, that's not true?

So I was just like, shut up. Like, I'm not that gullible. And he was like, no. Really? And he showed me the shams tweet. And I was just like, wait. What? Like, Yeah. I was I was in, like, shock.

At the same time, like, it wasn't surprising, if that makes sense. Like, we've been following Luka very closely since the winter of twenty eighteen when he was a rookie. Literally followed him down to Dallas.

Like, we moved to Dallas and to watch games and watch him play. And, like, we saw things, and we were just like, this doesn't make sense. Like, why are they why is the organization doing things like this?

And, like, so looking back on it, hindsight 2020, it's like, it's not shocking, like, that there was this unrest and, like, tension building, and then finally it came to an ahead.

But at the in the moment, I was just like, how stupid do you have to be to give away this generational talent that you've already traded for?

Like so, yeah. I I mean, when Merriam Webster, the dictionary, starts mocking you about, like, your quotes about why you decided or, like, how important a player was to the franchise.

And their tweet, I think, was like, we knew e was important to the English language.

We just didn't know how important it was. Like, when the dictionary is making fun of you, like, you know, like, is making fun of you, like, you know, like, you're the laughing stock of all of society, Nico Harrison.

So, yes, it's been hard out there for old Nico ever since this has gone down.

You mentioned you you you moved to Dallas to watch him, and I as, you know, you as far as it like, from all the conversations with Chris, it was like you guys were just like you weren't just like in Dallas.

Like, you were right next to the home of Luka.

Maybe maybe, like and you are you are you have been a we're gonna follow this player. You you follow Luka, and I I and from what I gathered, you you become a Mavericks fan because you were following your favorite player. Mhmm.

What with you had a a place of residence where you were season ticket holder, and maybe talk about that dynamic where it's like you invested all of this to see this guy play basketball, and now all of a sudden, he is no longer there.

In fact, he's in Los Angeles playing for, you know, maybe the biggest platform in all of sports.

Maybe talk about just, like, where where in life you were at in kinda decisions you were making as this all unfolded, right in front of your very eyes.

Yeah. So, I mean, we used to live in Los Angeles, like, pre COVID, when Chris was in law school.

And, it's not somewhere I want to go back and live in, so, we're not following him. We might go out for some games, but, like, we will not be moving to Los Angeles. Sorry to my LA friends.

Great card community out there. But, yeah, it's not it's not gonna be happening right now in our list this timeline that we're currently in. But as, like so I'll set the stage for, like, how we got to Dallas, I guess.

We had just watched them go to the Western Conference finals and lose to Golden State who then became the, champions that year. And, what really cemented it for us, I think, was, and I know Chris will say this, especially.

Game seven of the Phoenix, series where, and, like, that whole series really where, like, the famous quote by Luka is everyone acts tough when they're up.

Like, he was talking about Devin Booker at that time. And, and then he turned around and won three in a row against, or, actually, no.

I think it was one, and then Phoenix won, and then one more. Yeah. Anyway but, like, we had just watched, like, this amazing comeback. And then they went to the Western Conference Finals, and they played hard.

And there was no one on that team. Like, it was Luka, Reggie Bullock, like, Corrine Finney Smith, and, like, Powell was the center, and, Maxi Kleva, like, who shout out my sidekick.

But, like, he had no all star. He had no one close to an all star on that team with him, and he did this amazing run.

And we have a friend who was in Dallas who has season tickets, and he was like, oh, they're selling season tickets and this is the price. And Chris and I were kind of like, wait, that's the price to watch Luka play for a year?

Like, like, I'm from, like, Connecticut. So we have, like, the Knicks and the Celtics and Chris from the Chicagoland area. Like, the Bulls prices are ridiculous just like the Knicks and, the Celtics.

So, like, when we saw the price of tickets, we were like, we're remote with card ladder. Like, what are we doing here? Like, let's go watch a season. And, and that's what we did.

We just, like, jumped in. We just made the decision. And, like, Chris jokes, like, I'm always up for an adventure. Like, I'm just like that like, I don't wanna say, like, ride along girl, but, like, I'm just like, yeah.

Let's do it. Like like, you don't have to you don't have to talk me into, like, having fun, basically. Like so, yeah. He was like, do you wanna do this?

And I was like, heck. Yeah. I do. Like, why not? Like and we did. Like you said, moved right across the street from the American Airlines Center, literally walking to the game, like, was quicker than people walk to the parking lot.

Like, we just had a crosswalk between us and the front door of the AAC, And, it was an amazing experience.

Of course, that year they end up trading for Kyrie and then tanking. So that wasn't a great first year. So we were like, yeah, let's do a second year.

And then Run it back. Yeah. Like, let's try this again. And then they went to the finals, which was insane. Like to be able to go to the Western comp, the, all the playoff games and the Western conference finals and then the finals.

And it was, it was just amazing. And then, and then like our life started shifting away from Dallas, like personal life. And we were like, do we really wanna be here still?

But But we still had season tickets and we still had a lease. So we were like, yeah, let's just stick it out for one more year. And then we'll we'll break off. Like, we'll say like, oh, okay. Like the love affair with Dallas has ended.

Like, Luka, good luck. It was a great three years. Thanks for the memories. And, and then fast forward and he gets traded and, it worked out nicely for us because we were in the process of moving.

So, like, we were in the process of getting, a house and moving to a new location closer to family. And then we found out the news, and we were like, okay.

Like, this is the universe telling us, like, yes, your time in Dallas is over. You're on the right path here. And I'm a huge believer in signs. So I'm not saying, like, Luka was treated just for, like, me to have validation.

I was supposed to move at that time, but I'm totally saying Luka was treated so that I have validation from the universe that, like, we were supposed to move at that time. And, yeah, it was just it just kinda fell together.

And, like, I'm very fortunate for the time we had great friends in Dallas, and I'll miss them a lot. But the Dallas car show is every other month, so we always have reason to go to Dallas.

And, yeah, that's kind of where I am. I'm thankful that he ended up going to an organization that loves their star players and really rallies behind them and builds around them in a way that the Mavs never did.

The Lakers aren't afraid. Like, they get free agents, and they don't seem to be afraid to hit cap space, whereas the Mavs were.

So, yeah, like, I I I'm having a tough time saying I'm a Lakers fan still. But even when he was at the Mavs, like, I was never really a Mavs fan. I was always a Luka fan first, and it was his team, so I supported him.

And I'm kind of in the same boat right now. The the furthest I've gone so far is I've bought a new hoodie, but it's just a new hoodie. It's not a laker city. It's not even, like, Los Angeles 77 hoodie.

But, yeah, a lot of our wardrobe got eliminated with the trade and gave away a lot of Mavs gear to friends and to Salvation Army. But, yeah, I'm I'm optimistic is where I'm sitting right now with this trade.

So I think, I appreciate you sharing all of the context for anyone who might not have known the timeline of just, like, you moving to Dallas and then the breakup and then you being in a different location.

I think what's fascinating the most about this story is the fact that your journey in life in moving different locations, a lot of it was inspired from the fact that you made a decision around cards, and that decision was I'm going to collect Luka.

And so I think it's it's rare or maybe it's not talked about enough where you've got someone who decides to collect a certain player and then just goes all in.

Now you might not you might be a unique, or unicorn scenario where it's like, well, I'm gonna, like I I the the love continues to grow so much that you decide to, you know, get an apartment right next to the home where he formally played.

But maybe take us back to that moment of deciding to collect this foreigner who most of us didn't really know of.

You know, we'd heard about him and maybe seen YouTube clips, but, like, talk about how card the role cards played in your fandom out of the gates.

Yeah. No. It started with cards. Like, we didn't really know who Luka was. It was back in December of twenty eighteen, and, everyone was chasing Luka Silvers.

And Chris and I were on this extended road trip for the holidays, going back for Christmas from Los Angeles to Chicago and then to Connecticut, back to Chicago, and then back to LA in a two week span because that was all I had off from work, and he had to get back for school.

And we kind of needed some stuff to do during that very long cross country road trip.

So our our chase started with, let's try and pull a Luka Silver. So we would stop at Targets and Walmarts, and this is back when there was a plethora of boxes everywhere.

And we stopped at pretty much any Target or Walmart we could find and like, right off the freeways, and we would buy, like, a megabox, and there would be, like, 12 there, and we'd buy one.

And then we'd, like, rip it open, and then, like, nope. We didn't hit it. Keep going kind of a thing. And, we would also stop at hobby shops, along the way to try and get hobby boxes.

And there were two the highest we paid that, December was $2. 50 for a hobby box. And it was like someone's last box, and he was like, I'm sorry. I'm gonna have to charge you $2.

50. And we were just like, damn. That's a lot of money, but, yes, we'll do it. And you you say that now, and you just start laughing because you're just like, like, what? Like, it was under $250 for Prizm basketball.

When it came out, like, that was the starting price, and it had even gone up a little, like, from the starting price. And, we just kept trying to pull Luka Silvers and we couldn't. So we kept buying product everywhere we would go.

And then on the way back from Connecticut to Chicago, we actually went out of our way to go to Dave and Adams in Buffalo because I'd been buying boxes from them for a good two and a half years by that point.

And I was like, I wanna see their store. Like, I wanna see their brick and mortar. Like, I always just buy online. So we went in there. I think we drove, like, six hours out of our way to go to Buffalo.

And, and someone's gonna totally, like, check me on that. They're gonna be like, actually, it's only hours from Connecticut to Buffalo and, like, back to the freeway to get to Chicago.

But, but yeah. And we ended up buying two hobby boxes and two fast break boxes, I think, from Damon Adams. And they were just sitting in the back of our car the entire time because we were like, the those are, like, good rips.

Like, we're not gonna rip those until we're, like, stationary. You can't rip those in a car Yeah. While we're driving because that's how we've been doing all the mega boxes.

Right. And then, we, obviously, like, we're doing this over a two week period, so it's very quick turnaround. Still not hitting. I can't tell you how many boxes we purchased. It was too many.

My credit card for for anyone who's ever lived in Los Angeles, you know, that most of your paycheck goes to rent. So, like, everything was going on my credit card and my credit card bill in January was not pleasant. But yeah.

So, we ended up watching Luka play, on I think it was it was either the thirtieth or the December 31. And we were just like, dang. This kid is good. Like, it's not just hype around, like, find this best rookies, like, silver Prizm.

Like, we are just really impressed by his play. And we ended up ripping those boxes from Davin Adams, and I pulled a Luka orange, which anyone who's opened 2018 basketball knows the orange looks gold when you first pull it.

So I start, like, freaking out. Out of 49 isn't, like, freaking out about.

But, like, I thought it was a goal at first, so I'm, like, seriously freaking out. And then I flipped it over and saw the 49, and I was like, okay. It's orange. Like, I'm still super excited, but, like, let's not have a panic attack.

And so while chasing silver rookies, like, of Luka, he hit an orange at a 49. And that was the first, like, non base rookie, Luka that we hit that entire two week period.

So we were just like, okay. Like, again, I'm all about science. Like, I'm that girl. So, like, I was just like, okay. Like like, aim for the stars and land on the moon or, like, aim for the moon and land amongst the stars kind of thing.

Like, I don't know how you wanna like, we we way overshot what our goal was, basically. And, at that point, we were just like, let's see him play.

And he was coming to play in the the Clippers in February. So we were in Los Angeles by then. We got tickets, and we went, and it was actually Dirk's last game at the state at what was then the Staples Center.

And we got to see it, and, like, there was, it was really awesome. Like, Doc Rivers in the last, like, five seconds of play, took the microphone from the announcer and was like, everyone give it up to the legend Dirk Nowitzki.

And we weren't really Mavs fans at the time, but, like, everyone knows Dirk's aim. So we got excited about that, but I didn't know that it was rumored he was going to be retiring that year.

Found that out later because he didn't wanna do a retirement tour. He didn't want people to draw attention to it. But doc was like, no.

You get attention from basketball. Sorry, bud. And, and, yeah, like, I could just talk all the like, please interrupt me whenever you want, Brett, because I will just keep talking about my love of, like, Luka play, yeah, and the cards.

Let me let me let me ask you this question. Visualizing, like, this road trip, and you're just ripping packs and trying to pull Lukas over, and then you pull the orange.

And so that gets you even more interested in this young kid, and you decide you watch him. You decide, like, this guy's good.

We're gonna go all in. You go to a game. And so you you've got that all that momentum in kind of his rookie season and your fandom, and then you're getting more integrated with collecting him, and then so much time in between.

We've seen kind of the card shared and just the passion, and, obviously, we opened with you moving to Dallas. This story, I think, is really unique. Like, it's kind of like a one of one.

I I've talked to a lot of people, and I've never heard anyone in the hobby that's approached collecting a new player the way you and Chris have collected or started collecting Luka and became such a fan of him.

What what has the this experience maybe taught you about collecting cards and just your time in the hobby that when it's probably hard because you're in it, but when you kinda take a couple steps back, like, what what maybe has this experience taught you about just collecting?

Yeah. So pre December 2018, like, Chris and I only collected Jordan cards. Like, Jordan playing year inserts from the nineties, Chicago Bulls.

We pretend the wizard years don't really exist on card side. So, like, we then are transitioning into collecting an active player and the ups and downs of that, and it just makes games more fun to watch.

I wouldn't really say I was a basketball fan before Luka. Like, I would watch it passively, like, when Chris was watching, but I was never, like, like, biting my nails. Like, oh my gosh.

Like like, was that a foul? Like, is he gonna make this shot? Like, that's a crazy shot. Like, is he gonna make this half court? Like, that was I was just like, oh, like, this is a basketball game. Like, very passive about it.

And, transitioning from, like, a goat collector, like, an established player who doesn't really have, like, the price fluctuations, take out, like, the last dance documentary and, like, that fluctuation, to an active player.

And you're just like, it's a whole different experience waiting for the cards to come out. And what image did they use? What design are they using this year?

Do I actually like this card aesthetically versus I can find any Jordan card, a picture of it, and be like, do I want this card versus an active player where you're like, I hope they didn't choose, like, some weird facial expression photo this time because I really want the black one of one or I really want, you know, the net marbles one of one because the first year was great.

But then the second year didn't really the design didn't really hit us the first year. Then the third year, it's just like blah.

And like, so it it's a whole different experience that really got us into cards as they were coming out versus just like I know Jordan's not vintage, but it it's very similar in the all of the cards that he was in are already out.

Like, you're not getting, like, really good new cards, like, of him, like, active playing years. So, like, your your library of what you could collect is already established, and then you whittle it down from there.

Whereas an active player, there's constantly cards coming out, and you're re like, reevaluating your list of your top cards because it's like, well, yeah, this is his second year card, but this sixth year card, I like the design better.

And, like, I have the out of 10 of his third year card, but this one of one from his eighth year in the future looks better. So let's get rid of that one and move this one up the list.

So it's it's definitely, like, established a deeper love of cards because it's constantly moving, and you're constantly reevaluating things versus when I was just a Jordan collector.

And, shout out to anyone who remembers House of Jordan, the podcast.

House of Jordan's was, like, the one of the first podcasts I listened to back, when I got back in. And the reason why I liked it is because it was just you all were just sitting around, like, with data information.

And just like I remember, like, going on walks and just like these are, like, two hour conversations. I was like, no one else is doing this, and I don't collect Jordan, but I'm interested in this.

So, yes, let's shout out, House of Jordan. That that that, that that archive is definitely I recommend anyone else. Like, if you're getting back in the hobby, just go check out those episodes.

I I enjoyed them quite a bit. Thank you. But, yeah, like, anyone who who has listened or will listen, you'll see my love affair with cards is on the artistic side.

Like, I I don't have much art on my walls. Like right? Like, it's not something that I really enjoy. Like, I don't really like prints or anything like that. My art sits in a shoe box in a bank vault, and, like, I look at them online.

And then, like, every couple of months, like, we'll go and pull them out and look at my art, like, which which sits in the palm of my hand, and that's my cards.

So, so, like, that's what I think is the most important when I'm thinking about what I wanna collect next is, like, what speaks to me from the artist side.

And so so, yeah, like, that's just, you know, that's kind of the like, where we've where I I can't speak for Chris, but, like, where I've traveled since we started collecting Luka is, like, this this deeper appreciation for the current cards coming out that I was pretty dismissive of the cards pre Luka.

I was like, no.

Like, it's Jean MacLeod and Arena Design, and everyone falls way to the wayside. I still think it's Jean MacLeod and Arena Design, but, like, there are cards that, like, step up to meet, like, my expectations of card design.

Let's maybe talk about, like, the design of it all, and I've always known that about you as a collector.

You appreciate the design, the aesthetics. But, also, like, especially with a player like Luka, like, his cards have never been cheap. Right? And how how have you maybe navigated you you mentioned these are art.

Right? That's when you look at them online, you visit the bank, check out the cards, that's your art. Like, that helps you express your fandom in collecting around Luka.

How how do you balance that, like, decision making when you're spending a lot of money on buying a card that, and there's all the factors. Rarity, scarcity, product, brand set, all that thing.

Like, how do you make sure that you're accounting for, it looking cool and the design being something that resonates with you, and not just kind of following what everyone else is doing when it comes to, oh, we're only collecting gold stuff, or we're only collecting rookie stuff.

Like, how have you incorporated that into kinda your decision making when buying a new Luka card?

Yeah. I think it's everything, to be honest. Like, I'm a fan like, don't get me wrong. Like, I'm a fan of Luka Gold, especially rookie year.

You'll see on my Instagram page. Like, I, am very fortunate and sometimes stupid in my decisions. Like, I'm the person who bought a select gold at the peak, like like, right in the midst of COVID.

Like, so, like, don't take any kind of advice from me. I'm a psycho who moved to Dallas to watch a sports team that I don't even like because they had one player on it. So do not take any financial advice from me.

But I I think that the design of the card, is everything. If if it doesn't speak to you, you're not gonna want it in six months. It's like, oh, look. I got this trophy, but it's like, you know, a gold plated turd.

So, like, I don't actually wanna keep it in my house. Like, that's awful. I'm sorry for all No. Gold plated turd is that's the episode title. Sorry, Kristina . We're gonna brand it the the gold plated turd.

Collecting Luka in the trials and tribulations. Yeah. But, like yeah. So I leave kind of the financial decisions to Chris, and I'm just like, you know, I'm just the dog that's like squirrel.

And, like, this art is pretty. So I I definitely and sometimes it works out. Like, I jumped on the net marvels of 2019 Don Russ of Luka, the one of one, the black.

I got that card, like, right after it came out. I think it was $500. Like, I bought it on eBay and, like, then went and, like, graded it. And, like, then people really started paying attention to that card because I like comic books.

Like, I read comic books as a kid. So when that card came out, I was like, this looks like a like, they designed it to look like the front of a comic book.

I want this because it ties into interests, and they designed it really well. And, and, like, I remember Chris was like, really? You're gonna spend $500 on this, like, Don Ross insert?

And I was just like, but don't judge. Like, it speaks to me. Like, I'm following my joy. And, you know, whether or not that plays out to, like, you know, working out, I didn't really care because it's not leaving my collection.

So, like, if Netmarbles becomes this, like, super popular, which it it has, like Mhmm. With, card a bad buy.

Not a bad buy. No. Not at all. But, like, there have also been, like, the other side of that where, like like, I think something looks really cool, and everyone's like, really? Like, you enjoy the aesthetic of that?

And I'm like, yeah. Why don't you? And they're just like, no. It just doesn't speak to me, and the whole hobby shifts away from it. And I'm like, that's cool. Like, I still have this really cool card that I like.

And, like yeah. So it it goes both ways. When you go after something that you love and, like like I said, like, brings you happiness, like, looking at it, I don't think it matters what other people think.

So I love that. Does does anything for you change with Luka now wearing purple and gold in the new transition, or is it still business as usual in terms of Kristina as a Luka collector? I think it's still business as usual.

Like I said, it's difficult for me to say. Like, I'm a Lakers fan. But and especially, like, anyone who's ever talked to me really, like, knows I am not a LeBron fan. Like, just, like, not not having it.

So, like, them being teamed up and, like, seeing LeBron, like, really classy, like, actions toward Luka, like, getting letting like, his first game, letting him be announced last when that's, like, LeBron's position, what like, when they're announcing the players of the team.

He did that for Luka's first game. He did that for Luka's return game to Dallas to let him have the spotlight and the glory.

Like, it was just a classy move on both times where I'm just like, okay. Like, like, okay, Josh. Like, I get it. Like like, I won't hate LeBron so much anymore.

Like, I'll be quiet about it. But but, like, yeah, like, it it's been interesting. I won't be collecting a LeBron card unless it's, like, a Luka LeBron card, and it, like, really speaks to me or something.

But, but, yeah, like, I I think that's the biggest transformation that's happened with this new trade where I'm like, okay.

Like, I'm still not like like, I'm never you're never gonna hear me put his name next to a g o a t word, like, ever in the same sentence.

But, like, I I have a little more respect for him than I did previously, which Josh he's gonna listen to this, and he's gonna be like, seriously, why do I have to get shots fired for my player in, like, when you're talking about Luka?

But it's fun. It's fine.

I I just I love the fact that the entire card ladder, team all is well, I'm not gonna call you Lakers fans because you've kinda deferred on that ever since, but you're all supporting and cheering for, the same team right now, which I think is awesome in and of itself.

Maybe kinda as we're rounding the corner on this, your story is unique. This is not something, I think, that's, you know, any other collector. It's been replicated with not just Luka, anybody else.

I just I haven't heard of anything like this. I'm curious based on the roller coaster, in Luka and whether it's, you know, his market going up and then down and up and down or his changing from team to team.

Like, he's been consistently so good and one of the league's brightest stars. Is there anything you do different, if you look back on just the way you've approached Luka in collecting?

Like, if you're talking to yourself back when you made the decision to start collecting him, is there anything that you would change?

Oh, there are definitely cards that, like, you pass up at the time because, like, we were living in LA, and Chris was a student. I was, like, working a job that, like, didn't pay that well.

Like, you know, we were paying 60% of my salary was going to rent, like, literally. And, like, they're cards that we passed at the time because, like, we were just like, how can we make this work?

Like, we can't make like, we can't do it. That now, like, I know are locked away for good. And I'm just like, I would I would be like, if I could go back, I'd go back and be like, take out a loan. Like, money will be there later.

Like like, figure something out. Like, work an extra, like, job. Like like, I don't know. But, like, I I there are definitely cards, like, in my rearview mirror that I'm I'm still upset about missing the chance of owning.

But then I know, like, that decision would have tied up money that wouldn't have allowed us to make other decisions. Like, I'm totally aware of the, like, butterfly effect that, you know, brought us here because we passed back then.

But but, yeah, like, I I don't I mean okay. So, like, after saying that last line, I probably wouldn't change anything. Maybe I would go to more games, like, anytime he was in LA or an area where we were living before.

He's just fun to watch. Like, anyone who, like, just sees him play their team, like, I know he's annoying, like, when he's not on your team.

Like, I I understand that guy. But, like, you can't deny he's fun to watch. Like, his passes, like, the crazy shots he makes.

Like, it's just I feel like every game I watch of him, I'm just, like, in awe of something that he's done that he may or may not have done before, but he does it a different way where I'm just like, damn.

This kid's good. Like, he he's just a good player, and he seems to really enjoy it, like, in a way that I think a lot of other good players in the league don't have fun with it. Like, he he's aware.

He's fortunate that he gets to play basketball for a living. And, that joy that he brings to the court when especially in person is infectious. Like, it's a different experience. Such an amazing story, timely story, a unique story.

Appreciate you sharing it here, Kristina . We'll have to do this again and not with not so much time in between our conversations, but I had a ton of fun. Thanks so much for coming on. Yeah. Thanks for having me.

If I could just make one pitch to your audience before I leave. I have a rainbow that I'm putting together still. Yes. Tell tell everyone, and everyone listen and be focused. And if you can help Kristina , help it out.

And we'll we'll we'll we'll we'll glorify you if you can make this happen. We'll do something cool for you. So, Kristina , do it. Okay. I'm putting together the rainbow of 2020 Prizm basketball of Maxi Kleva.

He's the non Luka Mavs player from Europe. Okay? So, like, you pull the card and you were like, oh, it's a white Mavs player. Oh, it's not Luka. Throw it in a five, bro.

I have one card left of this 46 parallel set, and that is the fast break disco, neon green out of five. If you or someone you know has opened twenty twenty Prizm fast break, please ask and please go through your five rows.

I just need this last card. Like, I have 45 of the 46 parallels. I actually have three of the four printing plates, and I'm currently working on a deal to secure the last printing plate.

So I will have all of the printing plates soon and all of the cards except this neon green fast break out of five of twenty twenty Prizm of Maxi Kleber.

If you could help me secure this card, like, I, like, I don't know what we'll do, but I will make it right with you. Okay? Like If it comes from a member of the stacking slabs audience, I will do something as well.

For as long as I feel like I've known Kristina , she's been chasing this card. So let's make it happen. Yes. Thank you. And, Brett, always a pleasure. I appreciate you and everything you do for the hobby.

I love your content, and, to be on here is an honor. So thanks for talking to me about one of my favorite subjects, and that's Luka cards and cards in general. So, anytime, you just holler, and I will be here. Thank you so much.