alright we are continuing to explore the nineties category my goal here is to bring on collectors focus in on the topic talk about cool collections and cards and kind of the topic we're gonna get into a lot of things but the question is are we collecting to impress or to connect today i'm joined by michael glen rice nineties cards on instagram we're gonna explore kinda just his thoughts on the nineties category his collection and a whole lot more but without further ado michael welcome how are you brett doing great thanks for inviting me on this amazing podcast thank you for all the information inspiration knowledge and even entertainments you know i i i i enjoy your podcast on on the way to work on the way home from work doing chores around the house on saturday morning so i know you you provide a lot of entertainment to a lot of collectors out there so thanks for everything that you do appreciate the kind words mike let's just jump in and your collection is awesome we're gonna talk about some of those cards but for anyone who isn't on instagram or doesn't follow you maybe let's get some background on just your collecting obviously you've gotta focus in on the nineties but like maybe what what's the history with you in cards and then how you got here today kind of collecting what you collect sure i mean like like so many collectors starting as a as a kid you know nineteen eighty three i'm a i'm a skew a little on the older side of of the audience probably but in the nineteen eighty three collecting baseball cards really at you know the discretion of my mom if she was in a good mood to buy you a pack of cards at the grocery store or something along those lines or when your grandmother would send you to the corner store to pick her up a pack of virginia slims and she you get the extra thirty five cents for a pack of cards you could do that back in the night in the eighties by the way it was basically just baseball cards and and putting together you know like some of your favorite players and growing up in chicago you know finding all the cubs players and and putting those together and of course then that evolves as we approach you know the the the late eighties and early nineties getting exposed to things like basketball basketball cards which were not prevalent where i was at anyway in in the late eighties until you know kinda hoops came around in eighty nine and ninety i kinda discovered you know basketball cards at that particular point in time and you know really just kept with it you know the evolution you know starting early in the nineties for that entire decade really saw you know an advancements in just the number of cards available different manufacturers making different sets evolving into you know higher quality cards and innovation happening as a result of that competition so i had had the the the the fortunate experience of kind of being in my my teenage years and early twenties throughout the entire decade of the nineties to be able to appreciate the the cards for what they were and of course that nostalgia you know brings it back even here in twenty twenty six and and enjoying the hunt and searching for for a lot of those cards which which could be you know just as as much fun as acquiring the cards is just you know locating a card that is incredibly rare or or hard to find and then just you know sharing it to on instagram and and connecting with like minded connectors collectors as well the maybe and we're we're not we're not here to like date any order or share ages but i i think it's unique the fact that you can recognize like looking at the nineties as you were collecting it and maybe seeing some of these changes that were going on i think many collectors like are in the this junk wax era were just buying stuff to to kinda put in their binders and enjoy it and i was talking about my binder before we hit record do you do you find that like as the industry was evolving and changing in the nineties like for instance well towards the end of nineties where where we have serial numbered cards was that something in the moment that you could recognize and appreciate that or was that something that maybe came later as a collector definitely in the moment i i recognized and and really desire to find those types of cards you know i was i was twenty years old in nineteen ninety five so at that point in time you know you have a a part time job while you're going to college you know at that ninety seven ninety eight the internet is starting to become more prolific you know in your in your college libraries and such so then you had access to things like the bucket checklist right and you're like oh man this this card's numbered out of what like and so yes serial serial numbering for me i was exposed to it in nineteen ninety one when don russ had their you know the the elite series you know you know cards so that that was something that was on my mind but as as the nineties evolved and as i was you know kind of maturing in in in my life definitely really desired those types of cards rarely ever saw them you know can can really find them ebay was this was in its infancy at that particular time but yeah i mean to be to be able to go to shows small local shows or your local card shop i i i would always get really excited when i would see in a display case you know a a card that was you know serial number to a hundred or even a thousand that was that was pretty unique to see but yeah that's good that's a good call out you know i i i i definitely lived through it and and and still to to this day you know enjoy trying to find those cards so we gotta i gotta ask you about glen rice what's what's the connection point obviously you're dedicated you're it's your instagram handle which is kinda your brand in this space you have no shortage of awesome glen rice cars that we're gonna talk about a few of them during this conversation but you described him before we hit record as kind of a ahead of his time which i i couldn't agree more i've never thought of him that way but what's your connection point with glenn rice enough to build this insane collection around him yeah grew up in chicago born and raised still live here today also of course was chicago sports fan bulls but big fighting illini you know illinois illinois fan and you know my my my family didn't have cable growing up so finding basketball games on tv was was tough but of course the ncaa tournament was always on the local cbs broadcast and in nineteen eighty nine illinois was a very good team you know with a lot of great players like kendall gill nick anderson etcetera and of course they went up against michigan in the final four and and lost and that was kinda like my first exposure to to glenn rice he was a prolific scorer you know they they won the the title in nineteen eighty nine at michigan they were ncaa champions he still holds the record for the most points ever scored in a in a single tournament back in nineteen eighty nine so i was watching this guy just absolutely light it up you know inside outside and i was kind of i was kind of really drawn into that and then as you know the the the the next year's cards came out as i mentioned nineteen ninety was an important year for basketball cards because you you had the the second year of hoops you know fleer was out as well and then you know you had you know brands like skybox you know kind of coming out for their for the first year and of course he was a rookie at that point in time i was like you know you're opening up packs that were you know fifty cents a dollar back then i got a glen rice you know rookie card i'm like i i really like this guy so i just started a little side collection of him in the binder and and and from there on out it was just like every year if you know i i would open packs i would get his cards or i'd see him at the at the card shop i'd i'd get him from you the dime box or the quarter box and put him into my binder so my introduction was in college when he was in college and just really appreciating his game and then just started collecting him that that next year in nineteen ninety when he was a rookie so he has the unique i guess you know distinction of being a rookie for the entire and having his entire career basically start in the nineties for cards so watching his cards evolve is a really cool kind of like way to look at the evolution of of the manufacturing of of cards during that time when when you close your eyes and think of glenn rice in a jersey do you think of miami heat do you think of charlotte hornet like what what goes on in your head when you think about him yeah i mean my my favorite years to collect of him are the hornet days and i think that there's just some powerful purple teal thing that happened to most of us kids in the nineties where you know we were almost brainwashed to loving that starter jacket as we were talking about before and so yeah i mean he he played more years with the heats you know he went on to win the championship with the lakers but it's it's those those seasons between ninety five and ninety seven ninety eight that i that i always envisioned when it comes to his collecting he did a lot of great things in miami as well but you know as as the late nineties like his best cards are always featured when he is in a in a hornets jersey may maybe just like sidebar on that what are your thoughts on like the best card conversation of a player in the nineties especially basketball when they're in a uniform that's not the most memorable i think like you could debate like glenn rice like what do you remember him by but i think about i don't know the example i think about a player like sean kemp that comes to my mind do you think like you have those players who are so so known for one team but then when the best cards come out they're in a different jersey that that impacts the card at at all or is it just for you like it's the set and the player and the maybe the team it doesn't matter as much just based on kind of the change like how do you process that i'll speak for myself like from a glen rice perspective like no matter what card he was featured on during his playing days even when he was with the houston rockets or you know with the knicks that that's a card that i wanna have on my collection because that that's what satisfies the completionist in me where i'm trying to get every single card and and they all tend to be very expensive right so i i i can do that i i understand though like from other avenues of my of my collecting where you know i may not connect or resonate with the player after they have left my my home team for like scottie pippen right i was a bulls fan my whole life love you know love scottie as a bull but you know i i don't try to find scottie pippen cards when he was featured you know with the rockets for for example and your your camp example is great it's it's very foreign to me i don't collect sean kemp but if i would it would definitely be a a a sonic supersonics card of his but then you know some of his best cards like credentials etcetera they're they're featuring him in in a cavalier uniform so i understand both ways for for me like i can i can play both ways it's it's not hard set rules that i have to follow and if i love a card or i love the set then i'll i'll i'll pick up that player in that set but there has to be some type of a connection for me of of loving the player first and foremost and then loving the set second maybe like another one more background question on you and your collection just to paint the picture because we'll eventually get into some of your cards but just in hearing you talk and seeing your page i think in learning a little bit from you the one thing that stands out to me that i can resonate with is like your your connection with where you're from and applying where you're from to your collection i think about like if i were to like walk in your room and see all your cards there probably would be a lot of commonality and stories around chicago and your fandom and people from chicago maybe like shed some perspective on that like why is why is that representation important to you in the way you collect well you know you're growing up in the in the eighties and nineties mean i just lived and died by every bull's win and loss right when when jordan was just getting annihilated by the pistons physically in the lane right and rodman and isaiah dumars and aguirre and these guys were just taking them out at the knees like i i felt that and i was you i was fifteen years old fourteen years old and you know emotional maturity is not at its peak at that moment of your life and you know just just getting so angry around that and it wasn't fair and and just to see jordan and and and the entire bulls team overcome that you know pippen horace corance you know all those all those guys it it it made a real connection and he just wanted to have a piece of those of those types of players within your your collection same thing you know born and raised a a cubs fan you know in on on the baseball side so you know growing up in the eighties going to wrigley field with my dad you know who would it it was a journey right we we lived out in the suburbs we would drive to the to the to the l take the blue line over to the red line and and just the the the smells right on subway is one thing but just the smell of of wrigley field and the grass and and and those types of of connections and then seeing your favorite player mine was ryan sandberg a second baseman for the cubs for for for most of the eighties and most of the nineties just watching him warm up like those are the those are the like the core memories that i have of of of staying late after a game and my dad being exhausted right having to go to work the next day probably and i wanted to stay after and get autographs right and and and he would he would always he'll he'll let me do that you know so grabbing an autograph of of your favorite cubs players all that connects back to you know what i like to have represented around me in in my little office space where where i where i keep things i don't have a lot of cards just thrown around everything is neat and tidy it has its its space if someone were walking in my room they'd be like do you even collect cards like oh they're all kinda tucked away and and neat and orderly that's just how i i i enjoy you know keeping the collection but but yeah it's it's it has a lot to do with nostalgia as as as a lot of us that collect you know go back to nostalgia as a root cause so i wanna get into kind of just your observations on the nineties category and what's happening i think undeniably like nineties basketball cards have always been very in demand especially rare and scarce a lot of that has to do with one of your favorite players michael jordan and just his cards kind of elevating the entire market we're starting to see it in other categories like football and you know baseball cards we're seeing in the nineties we're seeing some growth i like as someone who is in it and collecting and buying and competing at auctions and i'm interested to get your perspective on like this growth and do you is it do you find in your evaluation do you find it that more people kind of similar to you in the way you think about collecting are popping up or have you found that because prices are rising in this category more people that have been outside this category are coming in because they see opportunity in whether it's investing or just status in these rare and scarce cards like what what is your observation been as this category continues to grow i mean so sure of course you know very highly visible and published sales of high end cars like that are gonna grab a lot of attention and they're gonna get they're gonna grab the interest of a lot of of a lot of collectors or investors regardless of how they feel about the cars no doubt about that and in certain circles in certain accounts on social media sure you're you're gonna see that it's very hard if you're connected at all to instagram etcetera to not you know be at times bombarded with that with that right whether it's a completed sale or a card that's gonna be coming to a significant auction platform you're gonna see a lot of marketing and advertising around that card you're gonna see pictures and you're gonna see less sales and hey it's been nine years since this card was publicly available every day that seems to become more more intensified and i'd say that there is some people chasing a bit of status around that a hundred percent agree with that but i also wanna say like nineties collecting it isn't just that right there are plenty of of collectors who are able to kind of push down or maybe never even get exposed to that type of of marketing and they collect nineties cards for themselves and nineties collecting isn't just about pmgs and credentials and rubies right there are there are cards and inserts that are are very impactful to a lot of collectors you know from the nineties you think about power on the key and scoring kings then assets cut above slam funk noise boys platinum portraits golden touch like there's there's dozens and dozens and dozens of really cool cards that are out there that that a lot of true collectors go after and you see this maybe not so much necessarily all the time on on instagram but in a lot of the facebook groups you'll see passionate collectors just trying to find a couple of cards of lower end players to complete their their set of ten or fifteen cards that came out in nineteen ninety seven so in in in a in a roundabout way yes i understand how the the jordan credentials number to seventy two or you know a barry bonds or a kangarooffe junior card that's number to twenty five or less to get some significant headlines and that's cool and and love to see it but for for i would say the majority of collectors that doesn't necessarily apply to them and they kind of stay in a very specific lane where they get the most enjoyment out of out of collecting cards in the nineties if we focus in on your primary subject let's say rice cards you've got glen rice cards that if no one knew anything about glen rice and pulled up your page would say oh wow that has to be one of the best glen rice cards and you've got other cards that people would probably be like i've never seen anything like this how do you as you kind of identified yourself as a completionist earlier like maybe talk about the like your mindset mentality and maybe how you think about like allocating your funds to your glen rice collection when you've got something that we'll be talking about here in a minute like the pmg green which is you know can't i can't imagine it's a affordable card and it's a very unique card and it's highly desired especially because there's a lot of pmg set collectors out there how do you like think about the decision to go in and get that card versus like these other cards that present themselves and spending money on cards that you might love but no one else talks about like how do you process kind of those types of decisions as you're building out your glen rice collection well you know when when you're a completionist the the mindset is well you you at some point would like to be able to try to get every card and i always put the one on ones kind of to the side on that conversation for a player collector of for cards primarily in the nineties or or even in the into the two thousands you can find probably ninety to ninety five percent of all the cards that were ever made for those players in in time right it may take you a few months here or there to find the card it's that last five percent of and again not even discussing the one on ones but it's the last five percent that becomes a real challenge for the hunt so if i'm you know allocating funds to to be able to to pick up a card i have to be in twenty twenty six a lot more thoughtful about what that's gonna look like because you know everything has just gone up more to be more expensive exponentially and fortunately a lot of these cards were acquired long before it was kind of in vogue to to have credentials and and and these types of cards so i'm i'm i feel fortunate that that i that i don't necessarily have to have a a significant output of funds for glen rice cards now if i didn't have them right and there's still cards that i'm chasing right i i there are still a handful of non one zero one cards that i'm looking for and those cards do cost me a lot of money now a heck of a lot more than they ever did before but at the same time you know if if if i'm just so rigid in in in like glenn rice collecting and he's not the only player i collect but if i were just so rigid in that i mean there's there could be months if not a year goes by where i may not be able to pick up anything and get enjoyment out of the out of the hobby so yeah it's it's at times tough decisions but if if if a card presents itself today in twenty twenty six of a glenrise card that i don't have i see that as a blessing because that's gotta be one heck of a rare card and i'm gonna try to do whatever i can to get that card you know and hopefully to be successful not always but hopefully to be successful in in in landing it so it's a blessing right to be able to find a card that's super rare but you know you gotta pay the price that's just that's how it goes these days you mentioned and maybe as a completionist and it's probably to keep your sanity to not like group the one of ones in the mix but one of ones in the nineties are a part of the glen rice catalog like and i know the one of one of ones in the nineties the way it's construction constructed configured looks dramatically different than what one of ones look like today but how do you like of course i'm i would assume and i don't wanna speak for you but i would assume you you you would like to have as many one of ones of glen rice in the nineties as possible but it's probably not realistic how do you think about one of one collecting in the nineties my approach is i don't find one of ones of glen rice glen rice one of ones will find me somehow and some i i don't mean that in like any like cocky way it's like you can invest time and money and shake trees and come up with absolutely nothing at the end of the day right and you can just spend hours upon days upon weeks and years looking for these one on ones of of one player and again next thing you know like just one random saturday it's gonna just pop up on ebay and you just have absolutely no idea who this collector is or where it came from that happened recently with the with the nineteen ninety nine ultra masterpiece of his that that just one day showed up right that's i don't know where it's jeez and so it's it's it's luck right it is it is just absolute luck to be able to to to to one find them and locate them and then after luck comes the miracle of being able to acquire it and get it into your pc it it is that challenge i'm not trying to be you know over exaggerate here but it's luck and then a miracle if you're able to pry out of that person's collection have you do you feel any sense of maybe non one of one related but just collecting a player like not maybe not so much anymore but when when i first started collecting andrew luck seriously it was at the perfect time because no one wanted to collect him because he had just retired so i was buying everything and i was buying everything at a fraction of what the value was because i i loved him and i loved collecting him and it was just so much fun so he wasn't like this mainstream player anymore he was kind of like a a depreciating asset as according to the market do you do you find have you found like any sense of like enjoyment or freedom in collecting glen rice who maybe is more of a like a a cult followed type player as opposed to these like nineties are all stars and and i know you've got some jordan cards too but like what has that enjoyment been like for you in focusing in on maybe a a less travel or a less recognized player from the era yeah i mean it's always great time to to take a third mortgage to to afford a car right and so yeah there's there's a satisfaction that you were able to kind of have a a card just like that a stuff that jordan was featured in but in a fraction of the price but you know price even today like i i can't even tell you or remember what i paid for half of these cards and it just doesn't matter i don't follow his market i don't track his prices i don't i just don't care right because once i put the money into the into the card it's like almost immediately forgotten once the card arrives because i'm not gonna try to find another copy i'm i'm happy with the copy that i have so yeah the the the financial aspect is great and yes it is a niche player to collect although there are probably conservatively three to five you know very dedicated glen rice collectors spread across the globe and and and and so that's there's still some competition especially if two collectors are chasing the same card it's rare because most of us all have the cards that each other have so we're not necessarily bidding up each other at auctions and things of that nature but you know when when those one on ones come up for sale you're you are gonna see probably some pretty significant prices and not to mention as you mentioned before like you know there are just some nineties collectors that just go after just about anything and everything right high end set builders where you know maybe thirty to forty percent of the print run of a pmg green may be spoken for by by a actual pmg green set collector may not really you know care much about glenn rice or rod strickland or christian leitner but they need it for their set so that starts to limit the number of copies that are available for the little guys like us what's so i always find this fascinating and it's something i've learned through just a lot of conversations and content is just the set builder component and it's not just like a base set set builder there are a lot of individuals that have a lot of money to apply to building out sets of the you know rarest and scarcest most desirable parallels in the category of nineties which on top of jordan would say is probably another reason why this category and international is another reason why this category continues to grow because the cards just it dry up and get impossible and when one does pop up people are willing to pay for it what whether it's glen rice or anybody else in the nineties that you collect like what's that dynamic like and do you feel it like when a card's at auction that you want or a card's in a collection but it's a part of a that you want that but it's a part of like a set like what's that dynamic like for you as you're trying to kinda build and enhance your own collection i mean respect right and anybody that i don't care how much money you have anybody that's attempting to put together an entire set of basketball rubies pmgs reds or greens you know spinotron's got the central credentials like kinda like master set you know put together and and when i i vividly remember gosh it's i can't remember how long it's been eight ten years something like that when when the grant hill credentials now one zero one for for ninety seven ninety eight was discovered on blowout on a random post which also by the way featured the ninety seven ninety eight jordan masterpiece from ultra at at auction at heritage right now when that part i mean the first thing i thought about was was was him because i know he's trying to build out that master set and it's a once only one person can have the master set of it right and and and god bless him he did so yeah respect and and happiness for those guys because you know they bring a lot of attention and a lot of energy to to the nineties space but i'm telling you like walking the national you know every year in chicago you know being local as i have for the better part of you know over twenty years when it's when it's in chicago i i i promise you even six seven eight years ago you were not gonna find nineties cards in any of those showcases you just weren't and and now while it is still heavy into modern and vintage i get that there are a number of tables that feature if not all than a portion of their of their case has nineties cards in it and and that came with a lot of these these guys building sets and a lot of high profile you know instagram accounts putting it out there and setting record prices on on some of these cards there's reason for that and and i'm telling you it was finding any type of a nineties card was a needle in a haystack between two thousand five and two thousand seventeen if you will it it it was it was a real struggle but now it's it's bringing more more more light to things grading of course has done the same i'm probably getting off on a tangent here but you asked the the impact that some of these you know well funded collectors have i i think it's been great it's been it's it's definitely brought a a very positive light to to the nineties card collecting that's awesome to hear and great perspective how do you contrast going from you going to the national every year there being no nineties cards to now there's ninety cards cards and a lot of times there are collectors from instagram who are showing off their collection and have them on display so they're they're more visible to then maybe getting into this mode where prices are really high the market is ripping and we start seeing cards that we haven't seen before or maybe saw once a year sell start selling maybe every two or three months and changing hands more quicker than ever before how do you think about that in terms of just like the overall nineties market do you think that's like a natural with with a growing market like cards are going to probably transact at a more rapid pace or or something else like what are your observations when cards that maybe were more scarce before are becoming more available through marketplaces if you're plugged into social media it's it's very hard not to find that that that jordan ruby is that essential credentials ruby's essential credentials card pmg championships like that's gonna start to become numb to that you know to a degree for for me like i i get excited when i see some of the you know more rare nineties cards get get listed you know hoops starting five thunder raves and super raves from ninety eight ninety nine you know apex cutting edge warped text to twenty five these cards just don't get get the same type of publicity that some of those other those other like tier one if you will kind of cards do and so you know i mean you become numb to it to a degree because it definitely prices you out of of ever owning one like i'm i'm not gonna be able to put a jordan you know rubies into my into my pc you know any anytime soon and that's fine right and and that's why you have the glen rice collection that you could have i could have a ninety eight or a ninety seven rubies it it's got the same you know pattern as your jordan does but it just happens to have glen rice on it but i think you just kinda start to become dumb to it and it's just it's it's kinda pushed to the side for me and again when you see just post after post around these types of sales or or you know cards coming to auction it's not that i mute it necessarily but i definitely turn the volume down quite a bit on that just kinda move on to the next thing i get more excited when i see you know friends or or or collectors that don't collect in the high end space and they're able to to to locate a grail of theirs that they haven't been able to find collecting you know jordan isn't easy because it's very expensive right but you're gonna find those jordan cards that are super rare out there you're gonna pay a price for them but for those collectors that are going after call it tier three or tier four type of a player you know like like your your eddie jones or michael findley or you know tracy mcgrady or you know these cards like they just don't come up for sale enough and you have to find them you have to dig for them and and and reach out to other collectors and see if they've seen them and make good relationships and and and try to figure it out that way because nine times out of ten they're not gonna pop up on ebay for you just to smash bin right you're gonna have to figure this out and find it somewhere in france or the netherlands or japan like you're you're gonna have to find them somewhere else that's great perspective i want to make sure we have time to talk about your cards and you sent over some awesome cards in maybe catching people a little off guard we we mentioned the cubs but we haven't really talked too much about baseball we're we're gonna start with a baseball card and this is the i'll tell you this mike this is a set as i talk to more nineties baseball card collectors that is truly beloved like and i love that about this set and this is the ninety eight metal universe ryan sandberg pmg this is a psa seven just it's got the the rhino in the back which is just so cool player that growing up living too far from chicago we got wgn here in indianapolis and the cubs were always on and ryan sandberg was the guy so there's a lot of nostalgia there for me even though i'm not a cubs fan but yeah maybe talk about this card ryan sandberg and what he means to you my very first sports hero in ryan sandberg very very first ever recently passed away incredibly sad at a very young age the wgn connection that you mentioned is super powerful where a lot of you know people my age had exposure to him you know that way when when baseball may not have been available to them in in other markets believe it or not the pmg set as i was collecting in you know the late nineties or in in early two thousands wasn't not necessarily the pinnacle of of the card to find it was always the nineteen ninety nineteen ninety six select certified mirror gold right but once again the once the basketball market on pmgs elevated of course with jordan and kobe etcetera this draws on the the design from ninety seven ninety eight medal championship in in basketball and so baseball here in nineteen ninety eight it it's an absolutely ridiculous card right the rhinoceros the rhino chasing rhino i i absolutely love this card it is one of my favorites of his and real quick and and for those that listening on the audio podcast won't see this but behind me if if there is gonna be a visual of this is a uniform that you see there and the uniform that you see in on the card is a nineteen eleven throwback uniform like they that is not the standard cubs uniform that uniform was was worn on june sixteenth nineteen ninety seven as part of the first interleague american league versus national league integration right so the cubs played the white sox for real the game counted towards the standings and everything everything like that when al and nl integrated and as a to recognize that both teams wore these throwback uniforms for just the one game white sox did the same thing at the conclusion of the game all of the uniforms were auctioned off via silent auction you wrote a bid on a piece of paper you mailed it out it's nineteen ninety seven so technology right this is how you won these these uniforms and that sandberg uniform is behind me right now on display hat belts the dirt from when he slid into third into third it's all it's all there so the card i've always loved the card and then when i was able to to to land the the game used uniform it just put the whole thing together for me and it's just you know the centerpiece of of my my baseball nineties collection mike i've had a lot of conversations on this platform before and i'm i'm not sure i've heard anything as cool as that to get the whole rundown and the actual jersey is sitting behind you how cool it's ridiculous the pants the the the sit the socks the the hat it's all his and all you know with his stitching in it all it's autographed on three different locations yeah it was it was it was exhilarating to find it available so yeah that's that's my connection to this card here amazing alright we'll try to top that what a good way to top it this this is one of the more like visually pleasing pmg greens that i think i've ever seen and i think it's the contrast of the green and the the hornet's teal it's just so cool and it's how i think about glenn rice it's like a image it just epitomizes him but you have a copy of the ninety seven metal universe glen rice pmg green just a beautiful card obviously these are this is some of the most desirable one of the most desirable parallels in the nineties like how does this card make you feel like any background story on its acquisition i mean relieved was the way it makes me feel honestly because you know fair or not even going back ten years when you would meet another player collector and say you know who do you collect oh glen rice one of the very first questions that you get asked is do you have his pmg green that's like the badge of honor for a player collector and for for many many years my answer was no i i don't and i'm desperately looking for it and then every single week it seems like the prices are going up it's like my god i'm so stressed out i gotta find this car before it just becomes parabolic and i'm not gonna be able to to afford it as i mentioned there's very high profile collectors huge respect they're putting together this set well funded and they're they're they're gonna do whatever it takes to get the card so this was a private a private sale true story i am coming out of getting a haircut on a sunday afternoon you know you turn off your phone or whatever because the lady is doing your hair you can't really look at your phone i get back to the car i i i opened up my phone just to kinda see you know you know as as most delinquents delinquents checking ebay right i see an instagram message pop up do you need this card and every time that ever happens it's like no i i i i i have the i got that nineteen ninety three insert but thank you for for for showing me and you know the image was blurred because it wasn't a connection of mine a friend or or whatever and then i unblurred and this thing is staring at me you know like nearly lost my mind on a random sunday afternoon long story short this card was was in a closet in the netherlands for for many many years worked with the guy with the guy to get it shipped over here to the states always a very stressful you know situation card arrived and again just relieved it to to to to be able to own it the the image on the screen here doesn't do it justice i describe pmg greens as radioactive right because it's got honestly it's like it's a radioactive glow to them when you have them in hand the reds i have more of a descriptor of like kinda like lava right that reddish and kinda yellows come through on on on the on the reds but this is radioactive when you when you have it in hand you're right not all players color match nicely with with the pmg green but the rice because of the the the hornets colorway definitely adds in the visual appeal to the card what a cool story you never know what's gonna pop up when you're getting a haircut that's for sure we move over to a one of one this is the ninety seven flair showcase legacy collection glen rice row one masterpiece one of one i always find these one of one masterpieces to be like the coolest looking card i just love the way the aesthetics hit the design this one feels so nineties like this is the shot down and rice going to a rim that you can't see getting ready to dunk the ball but we've talked about it these cards are you know ghosts they they don't pop up often is this one that came to you or did you have to go out and stumble across it this is this is the story of the nineties collector who's around my age collected during that time and then just just dropped a a profile on instagram one day and just starts posting nukes over and over again like one on ones of different players and all the all the all the hits right all the credentials all the rubies he was actually a michigan fan so he had a a bunch of high end jawan howard and chris weber glenn rice rose you name it so he he had it again not someone looking to sell but just you know maybe wore them down to a degree offered a price he couldn't refuse and had it had it shipped over i had it a little over a year now and again it just finds you like i i had no idea where this card was i've always loved their showcase it was even you know in the in the mid nineties before the legacies and before the the masterpieces one of my favorite card designs the thicker stock super glossy image on image this one's fantastic i love the the road alternative purple uniforms that the that the would wear that was my favorite uniform of his and and just just a awesome you know this is today i probably know it's about the shimmer right the shimmer effects with the original design so yeah just luck you know complete luck and and a miracle to be able to get it from japan over over to the states here i always when the purple jerseys came out on the hornets i looking back on it now i'm like well they were probably just they probably sold all of the the teal and then the leftover whites to everyone and they just needed another jersey to create to sell more jerseys because i remember the time when the purples popped up and i had to get one myself but you talked about you know this collector just popping up and you know you making them an offer like do you there's a when cards aren't available and we want them bad like everyone's got their own kind of approach and protocol to kind of try to test the waters and make it happen obviously this is one of those instances where whoever owned the card before you i wasn't looking to sell but you end up getting the card like what is your mindset and mentality when you see a card like this that you have to have but it's not for sale like how do you approach it in a way that's respectful but then also allows you to maybe get it at the end of the conversation or months of conversations well first of all don't ever wanna mess around right i wanna be very upfront i wanna be very transparent i i'm i'm not trying to have a dance of how much would you like for it what do you think like i'm gonna put out an offer that i i feel like is going to exceed by a multiple of any other offer that you're probably gonna get for this card and that's not for every glen rice card just the truly special ones like the one on on the screen right now and then you know obviously you know the seller or the owner not necessarily a seller is gonna have to make a a decision try to make it as easy as possible for that individual right i i i think about a a card that i acquired over late summer early fall that was super hard to get you know driving eight hours you know cash deal let's not worry about the mail let's not worry about you know paypal let me come to you let me bring an envelope of cash and let's do this little swap and you're gonna be happy and i'm gonna be happy that's the approach i mean how successful is that i mean i don't know ten percent twenty percent thirty percent of the time hard to say right you know some some cards are just never gonna move it's just you you have to you have to accept that but i'm i'm not gonna go down without a serious effort you know to be able to get to get the card i i will always try my hardest to get it lot of great insight in that one alright we move over to a very recognizable and desirable card and you can't talk to a chicago collector without talking jordan this is the ninety seven skybox ex two thousand one michael jordan jambalaya this card it's so unique every time i see one i just think about how cool it is you get how talk about maybe jordan as a part of your collection and this card specifically i know his stuff isn't the easiest to come by or the most affordable so you probably have to be selective why did the jambalaya make it into your collection to me the jambalaya is a true representation of call it late nineties you know collecting it's an insert card k and and i know you know terminology and nomenclature kinda gets thrown around like growing up an insert was a pack odds insert that was different from the base like credentials and rubies and pmgs those are parallels to me those aren't those aren't inserts the way i grew up now everything kinda gets gets thrown into the into the same category but this is a true insert it's not a parallel insert right this is you get one shot this is a jambalaya there's not a gold jambalaya the silver jambalaya there's just a jambalaya and he's the best player in that set i love the composition of the card i love just the absurdity as it represents the nineties and the the font used on zambulaya the absolute chaotic color scheme of the the green and the dark orange light reddish coloring of it i love the composition of the photo of of mj kind of going up you know in that in that classic bull's red jersey the jordans are represented and he's about to to do something to that rim crazy layup vicious dunk yeah i mean you name it i just love everything about the card and and i love that set as well so for for me you know this is i'm not i i am not someone who's going to be able to get very many cards like this i'm most comfortable probably in the mid nineties jordans like your ninety you know ninety three ninety four ninety five in that range where they're not quite as rare they're typically not serial numbered but there's just a coolness to them that that i love in my collection very cool and we close out by we gotta close out with a couple of glen rice the upper deck game jersey i believe this is the first game used jerseys ever put into basketball cards correct me if i'm wrong but maybe help educate us on on these cards yeah ninety seven ninety eight upper deck upper deck was a a major player in late ninety in nineties basketball altogether and this was a a game changer in terms of of of a true again a true inserts right one in twenty five hundred packs upper deck packs so very very rare very very hard to find and and for rice to be included in that i i feel like it was reserved for some of the upper echelon kind of players of of that decade and him getting the respect to be included in that set alongside jordan and and and penny and all the popular players kg you know that kinda came up in that in that nineties era that he was included in that and and for me you know these these two examples here on the screen you know it's it's not the rarest card out there right you can find them they will pop up maybe a couple times a year but for these examples they have you know the the extra color to them most of them were just plain napkin you know swatches that were in there there weren't patches in these per se if you're lucky to get some color and it was from a screen printing you know because the cars weren't that thick they were just basically jerseys but these have the the the dark blue and then the green striping in each one of these examples my goal was to find a light blue and then the purple as well to kind of to round it out just something to kinda keep myself you know in the game of collecting and challenge myself for for trying to find cards like that but these are a huge deal still are right a jordan like this like we know that the jordan card goes for significant value the all star jersey is is featured in that one and of course his his autographed you know version to twenty three is you know a holy grail for for most jordan collectors for rarity and coolness for for for having an autographed card with that with his jersey in it so yeah i mean i i didn't wanna necessarily share all the typical cards that you see like credentials etcetera i want this to be a little bit different and don't look past the ninety seven ninety eight upper deck game jerseys as really important inserts of their day i love all of the the narrative and the acquisition stories you have to pair with your amazing cards and this conversation's been just a lot of fun and i'm sure anyone out there listening thinks the same but as we close this out mike i always as i'm having these conversations with nineties collectors in it i i'd love for you to take an opportunity someone listening there's a lot of us who are maybe thinking or considering dipping our toes into the nineties category you've been doing this for a long time what in in this space especially with the current market conditions that are happening like what sort of advice would you give to to someone listening who is thinking about opening up a nineties lane in their collection first of all absolutely go for it if you have a passion for a player or a certain set by all means please jump in the waters but be patient and and do a lot of research and and research you you can research things on instagram that's that's great i i would encourage you to use instagram as discovery not necessarily influence of of what to buy you know get yourself an old school beckett magazine you know from on ebay go through the pages of that you know look at things like pack odds and rarity and just just be patient you know like i mentioned earlier if you're looking to play or collect you'll find ninety to ninety five percent of their cards five percent that are they're tougher to find will be will be very fulfilling once you once you find them but just just be patient you know reach out to myself or any other nineties collectors we're always willing to talk chat up you know message back and forth around nineties cards some of the best conversations conversations that i have have come from guys like jake nineties b ball cards like been friends for for a very very very long time i think about grant waldorf's well waldorf's story is he's he started out you know being a a very passionate nineties collector these guys are are are fantastic resources of information and if you're if you're if you wanna jump into that space by all means reach out we'd be happy to talk you can follow him at glen rice nineties cards mike this was a ton of fun looking forward to maybe doing this again down the road thank you brett appreciate you