what episode twenty two it's episode twenty two yes it is adam how we doing today man busy work week busy week altogether but it's it's been fun man it's been fun you know a lot of wrestling over the weekend can't really complain got a bit of a tight schedule today so we're gonna try and fit this all in as usual but how about you good lot watched a lot of wrestling this weekend it was a jam packed weekend i watched a lot of great wrestling this weekend not just wrestling some incredible matches i'm sure we're gonna talk over but just days away from head down on family vacation but everything's good man just enjoying the summer i guess it's summertime means i get to sleep an extra twenty minutes each day that's a win i know right like this is i think my kids have like two days of school left we're gonna we're gonna have a good time this summer lot of lot of trips planned national fanatics fest like everything is gonna be it's gonna be great absolutely let's fire away let's get started alright here we go we're getting to the opening pyro man there's so much to talk about here i think there's more wrestling news to talk about than there really is with with the actual cards but we'll we'll get into it so clash in italy happens last weekend i don't think there was any real surprises coming out of it i mean we we did get one title change with solruca beating becky lynch i don't think that was unexpected and we'll talk about that here in a second but just curious initial reactions for for clash in italy what was your what were your thoughts i thought gunther was gonna walk out the champion but obviously the way it ended they're setting it up for another match clearly i mean this is it's kinda has the randy orton elbow down esque match with him and goonther at so what was that night champion king of the ring wasn't that whatever it was it was yeah whatever it was back in the day so i feel like they're leaving an open ended book and but also a preserves that go through continue winning streak continues i guess technically even though he lost i guess could say technicality he was his foot was outside the ring but outside of that yeah everything was about expected great matches all around i had a feeling it was fifty fifty on sol becky i thought thought they would put on sol i think they're seeing the time becky's at the point of her career now i think she needs to move on to bigger and better things but i think she also wants to be putting on putting over some of these younger talent like she used to be put over you know yeah i think that's her biggest thing is like she saw sol rooka as somebody that could benefit from having sort of this title run and i think that they've been strapping rockets to people coming out of nxt as they should it might have been a little early but i mean because soul is still kind of establishing herself and her character or whatever character she has as the surfer girl or whatever but you know it was it was a great match becky gets great matches out of everybody and and soul's a great worker so i think we're just now trying to figure out what happens for her and what happens for becky whether that's moving on to liv morgan or something else but yeah i think like the the cody and gunther match like i there's just gotta be something different man like i i like gunther's great in the ring like i love watching him beat the shit out of people but it's just like i like i've seen this before he's not what smackdown needs right now smackdown is hurting so bad and getting guthrie to have the title is not gonna help the situation you've gotta pivot and figure this out but they've gotta pivot with cody too like they had it with with they had it set up with randy orton they had everything ready to go and it's just like i don't know why they can't capitalize i'm not gonna beat a dead horse with this trust me i know i know we know we know we're all on the same page we're all yeah okay i i put out on twitter and i wanna talk about one more match from this show and then we'll move on because or two matches with tribal combat it better be brock and oba so yeah yeah so i promised on twitter i was gonna have just an epic rant here and i'm i'm just like i'm so so upset with the way that wwe has booked this obafemi and brock lesnar feud i'm not saying the match was bad i'm not saying the setup was all that bad i'm saying it is completely and utterly unnecessary and like i don't care that brock lesnar had more dates i don't care that this is a a way to to you know get everybody excited again i i don't care about any of that like this match had zero reason to exist the next match has zero reason to exist they had and and i said this last week they had a perfect exit for brock lesnar they put over one of their biggest young talents he has clearly captivated this crowd you heard the reaction in italy you heard the reaction on monday night raw this guy is over than any other person not named roman reigns like there is literally no one on this roster that deserve to have that moment at wrestlemania more than obafemi given all he's put into this his background his future everything why is this happening and then oh by the way we're gonna put him in the king of the ring tournament so now if he wins that he can't have a match with brock lesnar at summerslam so what is that if so then if he doesn't win that he takes another l what are you doing like i i i honestly want to know what is going on here that they thought this was a good idea this was the worst idea i've seen hunter helmsley triple h terrorizing why are you booking this shit i am honestly dumbfounded by this you just said terrorizing okay so rumblings going on this could be more of a legal matter or a contractual matter with tko for all we understand that's rumors coming out why this is happening brock wanna go on his own terms tko said nope you have a contract who knows you know who are we we're just two guys who talk sports cards wrestling on a podcast but it would seem that way because you're you're right that was a match of all matches at wrestlemania to end brock lesnar's career to put over over to the next limit to where he's gonna go now you put yourself against the back against the wall as you put it the only way he's not gonna win the only way he cannot win king of the ring to have this match is if brock lesnar interferes in a match with king of the ring taking oba out and then then you get your match between brock and oba at summerslam which is probably what's gonna happen which also hurts oba again again another loss i don't know it's frustrating i have not talked to one single soul that watches wrestling that thinks that any of this is a great idea this is the worst booking we've seen in a long time you had the page the book closed at wrestlemania and you had to reopen it for this shit like seriously like they could have put him in king of the ring he could have won king of the ring he could have gone on to summerslam and beat roman reigns and had just this epic run as champion and nothing about that would have been anything less than amazing for his cards for his fans for the wwe establishing a new star like his cards are on fire this hurts those cards like i i there's people just react negatively to to to l's and like that's what happens and i think now that we know he's either gonna lose king of the ring or not retire brock lesnar and that goes to somebody else or maybe they push that match out to saudi arabia at wrestlemania again again like none of this makes sense it is so dumb and it hurts the hobby it hurts his cards it hurts everything they and now he could go on to be a multi time champion i hope he does because i am a huge fan of obafemi i love seeing him in the ring i love him on the mic i think he has everything that collectors love i think he has everything that the wrestling fans love there's nothing not to like about this guy and this is how you do him i i just it's such a disservice i i agree and here's the deal wwe is long term storytelling it's not like aew you have these incredible matches and then you go on in the sunset this is long term storytelling i feel like they're gonna pivot this many ways i think going back is you're not gonna see him and roman anytime soon they're obviously making roman the otc and and them stronger than ever with vaatu now getting in line so i think that pivots to another later date but i feel like you have to have oba and brock at summerslam it has to conclude brock has to lose there although you cannot bury oba like this if you lose him at summerslam you just lost every momentum you had with this guy this was a passing of the torch this was an incredible moment to pass the torch like stone cold was passed the torch from shawn michaels for shawn michaels went out with his neck surgery he was out for years this was your chance to pass it it was done beautifully and i'm i hope it was done on brock's terms it's just unfortunate it's going this way i know we could talk an hour about this and go back yeah we really we could have a podcast nobody is happy about this if you're a wrestling fan how can any of this be good this is not great this is horrible writing horrible storytelling horrible booking all around but i don't know how this is gonna play out but i just don't foresee him winning king of the reign because you just can't have that match right now can't have he can't so then so then he's gotta take another loss even if it's a disqual it won't be a disqualification he'll get knocked out or something will happen and has to at this point but then it also makes him look weak gosh it's terrible man so let's talk quickly about tribal combat because i thought that was actually pretty fun that was awesome i i i love what they're doing with jacob fattu i think they're building him into a monster and then yeah i mean like he acknowledges roman reigns maybe the bloodline gets back on track i don't like the call to solo sikoa and the mft's like i think they're mid carter's for life at this point and it's unfortunate that they're kind of like okay how do we now now where do we go because i i wanted them to have this plan ready to go and i i thought the tribal combat story was great i thought the the feud with roman reigns was great i love jacob fatou's intensity and i think roman is on again on another plane still after all these years that character is still like that crowd in italy was as hot as ever and they let roman reigns know for like ten straight minutes it was absolutely incredible yeah it was no i mean obviously i think they're making the ball line way stronger this time around fattu is clearly way more dominant than the solaszkoa who was really dominant at the time but yeah it just makes him look stronger better you know i think that's what they're trying to say is this this run this new bloodline is gonna be more of like an in between face heal not just like heels but they they were heels they were just getting over his faces because everybody loved it but now it's like they're coming in as a face but they can have do bad things whatever nwo yeah kind of like yeah exactly it's kinda like everybody likes it you know so i feel like this time around we're gonna see some more hard fought matches for roman more title defenses i just don't know whose next opponent's gonna be yeah you're right mft who cares that's nothing like that is like what are we doing here like let's get on we've got summerslam to think about so who's gonna be roman's next opponent who's gonna put up a fight you got i mean at this point he's he's had a battle at this point between the punk match now two incredible matches with batuu you gotta put somebody strong up against him to not make you know to kinda beat that down a little bit for what batuu stood for so yeah i'm not sure where they go well i'm sure we'll find out very quickly because the king of the ring i i think the winner probably goes to face roman versus cody i don't know we'll find out it could be seth if you saw what he did last night oh yeah yeah it could be seth rollins and rome and roman reigns could be a nice match seen it ton of times we just know it's gonna be a great match you don't have to you're not gonna put the belt on seth i know that but i i think you could go that route or because i just don't think breaker's ready for that moment to be honest with you no he's not he's not so i think they can he was i mean he was he was a little bit but now he's not he's not so we went the other way alright let's talk about noche de los grandes because i was absolutely enthralled by this match i think there are two presentations of two matches very similar in in sort of the way that it's been presented one of them was bad bunny in puerto rico and his match there with damian damian priest and the other one is this now it's funny injuries in wwe have one of two effects either they find some way to make it absolutely insane or they just completely write the person off of tv and there's nothing that happens and they come back and they get a big pop and goes on this is one of those injury situations chad gable gets injured they need to continue and they bring in ludwig kaiser who to to be grande americano after separating from gunther like is there a better story of like resurgence than what has happened here and this match the entrances the presentation the blood the tearing of the masks like everything was so absolutely awesome five star classic everything about this was great i i hope you feel the same way because i will not accept anything i literally watched the i've watched it twice now i'm i'm just seeing this i wanna go back and watch it a third time no question match of the year maybe the match for the long time i actually handle who works for me so that's the best match he's seen in the past five years you know he doesn't watch a lot of wrestling but he watches the the times you see some of the best matches that crowd really put that in perspective it was yeah all around done amazing from start to finish hands down what it's doing for both these guys' careers we knew chad gable was a hell of a wrestler we knew that i never really got to see ludwig kaiser really shine man that match right there really has put both of these guys to the next level gable now i think should be getting roaring roaring response from the fans when he comes back up to wwe as chad gable the you know this was just amazing and again who who would have thought that we are going on this this train was gonna take us on the track to this match at one point and it to be considered the match of the year no i don't think it's a doubt i mean i i i think it's gonna stay the match of the year i don't know if anything could put this over to it was special you just knew it it was one of those special matches you felt it from the beginning and you knew it was just special as you're watching it and it's one of those matches where you're gonna wanna go back and watch over and over and over and that that doesn't happen all the time i mean outside of like a wrestlemania or something like that this wasn't even on this is triple a and it did really put we in triple a we've heard a lot of great things about it i've watched the matches really put triple a way more on the map what undertaker's doing down there is unbelievable i'm excited to tune in to watch these more often if i wanna watch great wrestling that's that's where it's happening at and people are buying these cards too like that's what's so crazy is like people are going and buying ludwig kaiser cards now because they they see what that's about i i still think gable is past the expiration date with shorty g and all the other stuff they've done with him like it's just it's never gonna be he's never gonna have the collecting potential but like if ludwig kaiser goes and beats dominic mysterio for the mega title like i i think that's a legitimate possibility here and like he's now grande american there's no there he that's who he is like yes he's found his his his gimmick for life and that's absolutely awesome i think it's awesome i think it's great for him i think it's great for great for gable to to kinda pass that torch essentially all around just wow just again i wanna go i think i'm gonna literally turn on my computer when i get back to work here after the podcast it after raw like that's how good it was they played it after so good look at this card i so i posted this on twitter i i for some reason my tweet got more tweets than topps which is really weird but like i like four hundred thousand people engaged with my tweet like that's how crazy this card is absolute banger of a card for tops now they it's kaiser on the shoulders of of his of bravo and and ryo i there's a there's a base version of this i think this is the sp but man what an absolute amazing tops now card i wanna briefly touch on king of the ring because i i just i have no words like how does any of like it's like chat gpt made these brackets and like i don't have any other explanation it's like why is liv morgan in the women's tournament like like then they try to make up some like kayfabe explanation for it it doesn't fix the fact that your champion is in the fucking tournament and she's facing becky to start no right like what do you do like what is like if she loses she's the champion like oh my god so mad this is interesting and then oba wins the first round match for the men clearly they're i mean no no doubt there just complete aura and then eosguy wins the women's match i think the winner is probably going to face liv morgan but does that mean the winner of the men's goes to i mean there's so many questions here that i just don't understand and so first look who you got winning the men and who you got win winning the women i mean i'm gonna go set to this point i just don't think oba is gonna do it only because the fact that you're and i feel bad for penta in this situation i mean i don't know if brock's gonna feel off of it doubt yeah i mean here here look at this though it's like okay you have oba and pinta but then you got sola and carmel hayes and i like carmel hayes a lot but it's like really oba has pinta has to face oba to start well that's some great momentum four way match so like they were all in there so yeah i get it but exactly it is but it's just like it's wild that that how it plays out so we've got oba obviously winning this one and when is becky and liv on is it friday no they're on next i think they're on next monday next monday okay so or maybe on smackdown i don't know it doesn't like i these whole things just make me upset so you so seth obviously you're gonna tell me tangaloa or ricky saints or i mean javon evans could win but i think seth is gonna win in the guys i think that's gonna be a great match for him and roman to have and then i'm gonna go women's side i'm gonna go a little sneaky here i'm gonna go with roxanne perez i could see her and liv facing off oh wow i even i even i even got to catch up on that yesterday because it threw me all boos yesterday okay you're good man like it's so so e o one right e o one right sorry i'm then i'm gonna go eo then at this point i think from my my perspective i think you you seth is the obvious choice for the men i think it's like there's really not many other people that have a story to tell with one of the champions i think seth probably goes on the winners face the other champions at summerslam so like if liv morgan ends up winning are they doing liv versus ria at summer like i i don't get it so i would say from the women's side i think you could easily have becky win and solruca win and then have a rematch in the semifinals that might be interesting but i i don't think becky's gonna win this i think she probably just gets the match with liv morgan i think probably charlotte flair or some stupid thing like that where they have you know bliss maybe bliss versus riyami i don't somebody in that trio that they've been playing off of on smackdown tv interesting people doing horribly uninteresting things i it's just terrible so either way let's move on to some card stuff because i think if if i had to pick obafemi wins the men's tournament goes on and wins like that's the best for the hobby but i think on the women's side there there's not much here that really improves like maybe like if julia hadn't lost maybe she gets a nice little push she faces eo you know if they had done this bracket correctly like that could have been a cool match they totally botched that like maybe raquel rodriguez pulls it off like who knows but like there's there's not much hobby love that can really sort of do it i would love to sell it see chelsea green get a shot but i don't think she's ready for it where's tiffany stratton in all of this all how how is she not in this mix like this one no idea i have no idea alright this is the aftermath of wrestlemania yeah this is what happens every year alright cosmic comes out if you're listening to this it came out earlier this week if you're as we're recording it's coming out in a couple of days here hundred and forty dollars a box on tops' website it is likely gonna start breaking tomorrow as we're recording this on tuesday i i'm i'm really curious like i i think the slots are are pretty inexpensive compared to what we're seeing with royalty lot of cheaper slots that you can have a lot of fun mean obafemi's cheap tiffany stratton is relatively cheap ria is still expensive but not as expensive as royalty right and like there's a like if they don't have a planet like a lot of these guys are pretty inexpensive and i think that'll be good for collectors but i mean it's still three hundred plus a box on the secondary market it's not that accessible product i think it should be i'm curious like what's what what do you think just coming into this week is it is it gonna have the impact that people think i've i've heard some as we talked about last week it's it's been a bit mixed but i think it's trending positive now i think people are kinda getting excited i'm seeing some of the previews that stephanie vaccare that they previewed was pretty cool like so i think you know maybe we get some nice little bump here but it just doesn't feel like a marquee product to me still yeah i think the biggest thing is the fact you're only getting two to three autos in a box case i think that's gonna really affect a lot so when the breaker has this background it's gonna be two to three autos could be somebody that's twenty bucks case hit and a bunch of numbered cards not really appealing obviously but these inserts these case hits do look beautiful they look awesome and that's what's gonna drive market the super factors we know are gonna be the big chases outside of the big big case hits so i think it's at a really good price point at where it's at right now i it will not hover at two forty but i see it being in that two fifty to three hundred range i don't think this product will go up right away i think the fact that it lacks having that autograph element but that's cosmic chrome for you i have said it and i adam adam knows this i'm only joining breaks with basically three people maybe four but it's it's stephanie mama breaks it's late in sports cards and it's blessed that's about it and i'm i said i'm not going heavy on this adam you're the same as me on this as well you're really cutting back but the spots aren't crazy i'm only buying at this point for myself i'm buying randy orton and then like layton has the wyatt six as a package i think it was like thirty bucks for all of them with bray wyatt then you can't beat that yeah and then i think i bought bray and bless his break so i mean i'm i'm not buying rounds because i'm shifting i'm just gonna go rounds one zero one so i'm saving some money i went so heavy on royalty that it's and and chrome obviously i'm gonna take a seat back and just try to grab the ones i wanna get i'm kinda taking the the approach of i'm not gonna go as heavy encased brakes i think that's gonna be the census by a lot of people yeah i i think i'm the same way not because i hate this product like the and like i think tops is yeah it's just i it it chrome and royalty broke me like it was just i said that on hobby nonsense earlier was on i was like i just it just broke me and it was just like it's not financially mentally personally everything like it was just like we did so much for those products it's like it's really hard to get back up to that level of intensity again mhmm i just can't dedicate it to i made a few breaks like i bought a few slots because they're not too expensive i bought blez i bought stephanie i bought a few others like because i wanna support them i think they they do good work and to your point and so i i wanna support them but i also wanna make sure that i don't dedicate the type of funds to a product that i don't think is gonna be as important as chrome is or as valuable as royalty is so and you know it is what it is and i think like people are gonna love or hate this product there's kinda really no middle ground same with cactus jack and like i think the planets are gonna be big especially the rarer ones i'm gonna try and buy some singles there it's gonna be i think they're gonna be more common than people think just because of this smaller checklist but the autograph checklist is super deep and if you're only getting two to three case like that's gonna be a major issue so it's gonna take eight to ten cases so even though the cases are cheaper it's probably gonna take eight to ten cases just to get a hit like you would have maybe in two to three of chrome if not less right alright the tops for wrestlemania forty two sets have started shipping i think i get mine on thursday of this week we're again taping on tuesday so i'm heading off for work trip i won't get it until friday i ordered a bunch of them i know you ordered a bunch of them i think these are really cool looking cards and i've some of them have already landed people got the expedited shipping so they got them in hand like yesterday and they have so basically you get every order you get a set and i think there's like you know a a number of the main wrestlers from wrestlemania forty two in the set then you either get a legend sp you get a parallel which is like a lucky hit if you order tops now regularly or you can either get an on card active wrestler autograph or sticker autograph of a legend on the screen here if you're following along on patreon you can see the undertaker one zero one was already pulled really cool looking car it's a sticker but it's still cool looking brock lesnar's base parallel one of one is the foil fractor has been pulled that looks really cool i'm really eager to see how these cars look in person i i'm like when do you get yours when have i haven't honestly checked tracking i would like to have it in by thursday like you because i am leaving friday for vacation otherwise i'm gonna come back and think i think i bought twenty five of them i think it was because it was what were they like sixty seventy bucks a set or something it was cheap yeah it was and the fact that like it's it looks really good and and i'm not adam's huge on the tops now i i've just had the worst luck with it but i said screw it i'm gonna give it one more go because adam says so and i'm gonna see how it does but i don't know i'm excited i i like what i'm seeing so far cards look great obviously we we know the foil fractures how they look so but i just hope i don't see more one zero one auto surface it just makes me feel less and less enjoyable with them so not that it would change what's in your box you just wanna have the surprise i just wanna have the illness so i don't ever i don't wanna look at the paper that comes in i just wanna open it and look and i don't either oh i'll tell that story here oh yeah i know you will i'm sure i'm sure it's a slide ready to go so no it's not a slide but i'll tell it at the end of this slide but the like i think the tops now doesn't offer these type of sets in wrestling very often i think we got maybe one with cena but even then it was kinda weird like this is the first time we've gotten like one of like the the spring training sets that they've had for mlb or the world series sets that they've had for mlb they do they're gonna do it for football they're gonna do it for basketball so like this is the first foray into that for wrestling and so i was really excited to see how it turns out i think on card autographs for the active superstars they're gonna be redemptions likely i would guess oh is it but really really cool looking design i think it'll be cool so i'm excited to get mine in i to ryan's point i i do love when my you know we we've talked about this on the podcast before it's tied to a moment right so like if you have something that you feel about that moment maybe that tops now card speaks to you for me becky lynch winning at at wrestlemania forty two was one of those moments awesome photo on the card and for the first time ever she had an autograph parallel she's never had that before so i went really hard and i i actually went into ai and i asked ai based on traditional print runs and odds and everything like that how many of these do i have to order to ensure i get one of the autographs so it spit out a formula and i followed that formula pretty exclusively and so i get the package in yesterday where packages and like we're talking overrun mailbox here because i ordered one big order and then like a number of smaller orders and like ryan i don't like to look at the sheet i don't wanna see what i get i like to open the cards and you know sort through them and see and if you've watched the people open them on youtube if you order a ton of them they send it to you in this big giant box that is not what happened for me so they had like i had the small little slide cases that i was you know sorting through and i did see i hit two autographs so i ordered a ton i ordered about ten percent of the print run i think i've said that on the podcast before i start like going through i pull like a black i pull an orange i pull the gold and you know all these other things i save the autographs at the end i slide past the first autograph slide it down red autograph i'm like oh thank god i i hit i hit a good card so now i'm expecting the other one's gonna be the black one and we'll be good and i'll i'll be set without having the foil fracture well as it turns out it's right here yeah as it turns out i start to slide the card down and i actually did hit the foil fracture one of one autograph which was the first becky lynch autograph one of one i've ever pulled i've only pulled one other one that's awesome man and it was just so awesome it's such a good day to get two of the autographs plus all the hits so the the investment was worthwhile but yeah i love that photo i love that card i can't wait to get it in i've already redeemed it as you can expect congrats man it was deserved that is that your first time ever pulling a one zero one from a top star time ever i mean hey you deserve it because how many of those i know you buy and have bought over the years nobody deserves to pull one of those more than you especially like you said our first autograph ever that's awesome man yeah it was cool psa is shut down just to move on psa has shut down all of their value tiers coming in to this week if you haven't heard this news i i question what rock you're living under but this is a huge impact to the overall hobby i'm i don't know how much of an impact it's gonna be for wrestling cards but they have millions of cards in backlog right call shutting down these things like i i don't have any issue with psa i don't grade cards but given the circumstances it seems like it's the right thing to do i think they probably should have done it earlier but you have a lot more investment in the way that you grade your collection i know you just got back some grades on some really big cards that you submitted like for you this is probably a little bit bigger of a deal than it is to me i think for the overall hobby like the impact here is gonna be hugely significant both in the the sports card space and more importantly in the tcg space where i think a lot of this impact is coming from but curious like when you heard this like what was your initial reaction my initial was well now they're gonna you know hopefully feed people to sgc and beckett which collectors universe owns them as well is the first thing you're right it needed to be done i think the biggest issue is the pokemon the the overabundance also i've talked to several people and you know having these gamestops take submissions they aren't educating people on what to grade and what not to grade so people are just grading every this is like covid all over again when you created but back then it was like six to eight bucks to create a car now it's in the mid to you know high twenties shutting this bulk down was the right decision you could still grade it on the higher brackets obviously and again i think at that point that's what psa wants to do i think they wanna still be able to grade by charging more but getting it out the door to you faster it's going to have a ripple effect it's going to affect people who rip product to grade tremendously i was talking to several people this weekend they're like wow wanna rip a case of pokemon but i'll have to go to s g c now or c g c or whoever oh i wanna rip a bunch of bowman but i can't grade it i want it's values with psa because psa gives the value that that's you know when you think of psa in the soda world i always put it this way back in the day was psa was coke back it was pepsi and rc cole was sgc before you know a long time ago because psa has been doing it a long time back at one point was more dominant than psa it's crazy to see how it's especially with project stuff yeah especially yeah massively so it's changed but it was the right decision and it did go on too much longer it will affect what we do i'm still gonna grade i'm just gonna have to be more transparent what i wanna grade i'll still set aside a ton of vintage worst case i send vintage stc but i'm okay with waiting for the bulk stuff till it comes back i'm luckily had been sitting the past several months and was really on it the past two months getting stuff out the door i just don't know if we'd be back in time for the national but it's going to affect a lot in our industry but there's other avenues there's other ways to create your cards there's other companies it's all you as a collector what you're wanting to do or a flipper if you wanna get your now money you're gonna have to look at other avenues you're gonna pay seventy eighty bucks to grade a car at psa so time for people to make shifts in what they do as a collector and as a percent flips yeah and i think like for wrestling cards p grading hasn't caught on as much as it has in a lot of the other areas like it's slowly making progress i think my my pc is probably a good example like collectors like me who have been around for a very long time usually have made the the jump into the grading arena i just don't support kind of what that all represents i just don't like what grading is all about i don't like the third party opinions i like i don't i even like even less the third party opinions of the third party opinions which is what nba is like i don't have any positive thing to say about that so i'll keep my mouth shut but like the the overall sort of impact to wrestling cards i think is for those people that are coming from other sports trying to get into wrestling cards and use the same approach that they did in baseball and football and basketball i think it's gonna be a harder crossover now because you can't grade your cards as quickly there's gonna wrestling cards just aren't as valuable still as a lot of the other sports so these higher grading tiers just don't have as much of a of a an impact as much as they would in like these other sports like so if i wanted to grade a box hit like before it was twenty five bucks or whatever now it's eighty there's not as many wrestling card box hits there's more now than there have been but there's just not as many of those that are gonna gain that value especially with the quality we've seen coming out of the packs recently on some of these things like if you don't hit that ten on a wrestling card like you are out that money basically and it's really that much harder in wrestling to gain the value at those higher service levels so i think if you're grading for wrestling i think this is a huge impact to you if you're like me and you're not probably not as big of a deal but you'll see how the prices will will affect things people will be less willing to take those risks on cards knowing that there isn't a grade that can probably be back at a reasonable time frame within the next six to twelve months if not longer yeah it's it's just we're gonna see how this plays out i'm really curious what i talked to one guy real quick who has actually been consistent the past year or two every week he's sending in batches to psa every week sometimes three four hundred five hundred cards and i was talking to him at the show he was setting up my show on saturday i said well you know we all question you know we knew what you do what is your plan now and he's like basically he's like just gonna buy and flip collections i'm not even gonna waste my time grading it i'm not gonna go to another avenue i'm just gonna flip it and it's gonna be sold raw if it's better i'm gonna have to look at it but it's gonna change so many things but it could be a change for the good we just won't know in time i think there could be some big impact on whatnot as well because people used to go on whatnot in those single shows and just buy raw cards and grade them and flip them that was a really easy sort of way to especially in wrestling where you could do this you know buy card undervalued and whatnot grade it for cheap twenty twenty five bucks and then flip it for a hundred hundred and fifty bucks really easily because there's not a lot of pop in a lot of these cards like you're talking most wrestling cards pop reports are ten twenty cards at the most yep like and that's if it's a super traffic card right super liquid card some of the cards like they have pop reports of like two or three so by getting those graded examples we mentioned last week the garbage pail kids like that was a big avenue so maybe some of these single screens on whatnot are gonna have some impact maybe you start to see some of the flipping that's going on with buying stuff on ebay you know there there could be ripple effects like you said that we were not seeing yet when this happened during covid when they shut down everything in covid again because they were just getting way too many cards and they didn't have enough employees it it's it was one of the triggers i think that probably hit that peak and started going down the other side i'm hoping that that isn't the case here so we'll see really quickly wanna touch on a big poll it's rare that we talk about a set delivering like twenty twenty two prism has delivered by card vault by tom brady they do breaks of wrestling a a lot we'll talk about some of their contributions here in a minute but like they pulled the rhea ripley black one of one four years later in a and this is this is a not even a question it's a five figure card huge huge card and it's been in a i think this is one of the last remaining big black one o ones that we haven't seen because liv morgan was pulled by card shop yep yep recently this is now rhea ripley we've seen roman reigns we've seen hulk hogan like all of those other things like this is a big card yeah i mean i don't i'm just trying to wrap my head around who could still be out there but this was one that again i hope sam steve is able to obtain it has he talked to the person do you know or is he just i i think it's out of i think this is gonna be out of his way this is gonna bring big money i mean i hope it grades well it does look a little oc left to right but not too bad it it's actually decent they are trust me i we know we know so so it's great to see it surface i i gotta think it was in the mixer it probably was what maybe a hundred plus dollar spot or something like that was place gosh wow congratulations to that person and congratulations to the hard part of it maybe it was i don't know if they were doing randoms or if they were because i think their mixer maybe it was a hundred dollar maybe it was a they probably usually do a mixture of like a bunch of various products because you can see tops chrome looks like logo for accurate in the background there so i'm gonna go with it had to be minimum fifty bucks up to a hundred yeah yeah so the the they another breaker pulled the one of one pink autograph of rhea ripley and that was a fifteen dollar spot this one was a little bit more expensive but still multiple times it returned so awesome though i love to see it and yeah that's that's great i wanna talk quickly about some gem rate data we were gonna talk about this last week but i i didn't get a chance the only reason i think gem rate's important is because it shows sort of the health of the wrestling card market by wrestler so if you really wanna see like who is making waves i just wanted to call attention to some of this hulk hogan still the most we're talking through twenty twenty six year to date still the most popular wrestler no shock there john cena number two we took last time we covered it it we that those were the same rankings this is where it starts to get weird because you have rhea ripley number three then you have roman reigns number four both of about two hundred and sixty two thousand dollars year to date hulk hogan's at about six hundred and fifty thousand the rock is after liv morgan is number five then alexa bliss stone cold was number three last time we covered this now he's number eight tiffany stratton number nine the undertaker number ten obafemi has climbed into the top fifteen he is now number fourteen with over a hundred thousand year to date sales on ebay but i mean things are going kind of sideways a little bit from where they were before and a lot of wrestlers that weren't on this list before are are climbing quickly right dominic mysterio makes an appearance at number twenty four like there's solruca at fifteen like lot of really cool names in this top twenty five top this is the amount of cards and the values that are being sold for on ebay like really cool to see some of the names on this list yeah it's it's great information here it's funny i see the randy orton i'm like well half that was one card so i'm like i'm looking at the numbers here i'm like he wouldn't even be a top twenty five if that card didn't surface so so no it's it's interesting to see the shift yes liv morgan is very shocking to me to see number five there had to have been some bigger cards also surface over but it does help that she's live in all these products as well so yeah i seeing her over the rock we know rock brings big money interesting it's it's very interesting to see the shift obviously the market trends based on what the wrestlers doing the storyline everything like that but it's great data right here for us to see and and i i wanna come back to this on a regular basis because i think this is just cool to be knowledgeable about yeah gem rate dot com that you can sort i removed all the ufc guys i removed some of the guys from wwe that are like really old legends type of stuff so it's not like you know these are people that are more relevant to wrestling cards as it is right now i also wanna talk about some sales quickly because you mentioned this card last time we were on it's sold for two thousand dollars originally we thought it might have a chance to get relisted it did in fact get relisted it's based out of a chinese seller went from two thousand dollars to nine thousand three hundred fifty five dollars this is the one of one oh oil fracture autograph from tops universe with the last time is now humongous jump we're talking more than triple it almost more than quadruple so it was almost quintuple the original sale whoever didn't pay for that original card like must be kicking themselves right now because this did look like it went to a legit bidder wow i'm more kicking myself because the first time i was planning to bid on it and forgot to bid and i don't know if i would've won it but if i would've won it i would've kept it but wow that that makes more sense to me now versus the twenty three or whatever the sale was yeah this is one of the largest sales of universe to date and it's just an awesome card great great inscription can't can't argue with this price the rocks one of one super fracture from twenty twenty six tops chrome sold for seventy five hundred dollars it was pulled and listed and sold within like a matter of a couple of hours i think i've tops mentioned this sale a few other people i i think this might be one of the larger base super fracture sales that we've seen for the rock but i'm i can't remember what twenty twenty five sold for but it's a it's a from the run leading up to wrestlemania forty one and really cool looking card but seventy five hundred dollars for the base superfractor big big price absolutely the i also wanted to highlight one other rock sale here because this we we talk i only talk about this when it enters new territory it's labeled as sixty five hundred dollars on my slide but it's actually fifty four hundred dollars the psa kaboom ten genmint ten last time we covered this was just cracking the four thousand dollar mark now we've crossed five thousand dollars almost fifty five hundred dollars for a psa ten this is now the highest sale of this card period so when it first came out somebody bought a raw copy for like five thousand dollars right off the bat before we really knew anything about the set and ever since then they've been creeping back up we have now the psa ten has crossed that pop report is only thirty six on this entire card so not many psa tens you have one i have one yes and every time you put this up i get very excited because it's just been sitting in the box since the natural last year so keep going keep going yeah keep on going another big sale from royalty as well caught me completely by surprise the dual one of one asuka and kyrie sane booklet auto relic sold for fifty one hundred dollars wow what like booklets from this product seem to be really selling for a crazy amount we saw the stephanie vecaires sell for ten grand last week this one at fifty one hundred dollars both of these wrestlers are are probably on are gonna be out of wwe or at least off tv for a long time maybe asuka comes back more recently because she said it's just a personal issue that she's taking some time off so but humongous sale probably their last card together i was thinking that in my head was possibly this could be the last kind of dual autograph card together that's not a sticker and we see the inscription here from kari which is just awesome but yeah these booklets continue to bring big money shale shocks me but again it's probably being sold overseas which their their market's big out there yeah huge lots and lots of collectors out there i wanna just quickly talk about auctions again because i i every time this happens i get a million messages and i i think we need to keep covering it shield bidding on ebay continues to be a problem for wrestling cards it is really problematic there were couple of becky lynch cards that got chilled to hell there were a number of things it's it's a target if you have a one of one wrestling card that is that you wanna sell find the collector first like i'm not just saying that because it benefits ryan and i obviously as super collectors but because it it will save you all of this time and energy that you have to put into with dealing with this stuff i i know ebay wants to fix this they've instituted policies where you have to have payment on file but it it when you have cards that don't meet those thresholds or or are outside the program they are targeted by an individual or individuals who wanna see these auctions end without a sale and so make sure check your check your bids before you engage so if you look at the bidding history and you see a bunch of zeros and a bunch of one feedback users maybe that's a card that you're not gonna engage with as much but if you're selling try to connect with somebody who knows what the situation are ryan and i both run platforms that we can assist you with ryan runs a card shop i'm sure people come in all the time to talk to you about this kind of stuff if you need help understanding how to sell your cards people reach out to me on instagram all the time i'm always happy to help connect you with people connect you with those collectors this community is better at that than any other community so i just wanted to mention that here try and find somebody to do the private sale first or if you're gonna put it on ebay put it on with a high price and and take some offers not too high but high enough and you know find a way to get the sale done without just leaving it to chance i understand the consignors like mc sports cards and dc sports and all these other people like they have their own process that that has made a ton of sense for a ton of different people it might just not make sense for this one card that you're selling yeah and the good thing is with those big insiders they vet out a lot so a lot of these guys get kicked to the side when you do the picket signer it's most people that don't have all the things implemented because you could set restrictions on who like who can and cannot bid and all this stuff so it's unfortunate what what card was this do you know so the rose gold becky lynch one zero one sold for nine thousand four hundred and fifty dollars because the the guy who terrorizes the terrorist always just puts in a massive thing i didn't even bid on this card i was just like i know this is gonna get chilled that's ridiculous man yeah it's it's so stupid but it is what it is and i'm just so it comes it's been going on for years and i don't know when it's gonna stop three hundred plus auctions at this point wow i wanna talk a little bit about the national as well so we had a couple of sponsors join our crew we gotta acknowledge our sponsors where's my finger there we go there we go sponsors i wanna say a huge thank you to the wax 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really good crew of sponsors here some of the biggest names in the hobby i think that's that's a testament to how much people wanna see this event succeed yeah you know as sam said thank you to our sponsors we officially have all our ten sponsors that we were shooting for so it's we're finalized the the sponsorships is shut off for this year again this couldn't be possible without all of you you know obviously joining on and believing in what the what we're trying to build here for the community what's started with this small idea has really shaped into something more incredible that we can all three of us brett adam and myself could imagine so none of this would be possible with all of you and we're excited for the next steps now that we can now focus now the real work begins the drawing board and and design the shirts the giveaways the the everything it's all gonna come together we're sixty less than sixty days away from the national at this point i mean we're we're less than two months out and this event night is gonna be amazing it's gonna be like nothing other and i can't wait and again thank you all of you for for being a part of it and wanting to be a part of this it's very means a lot to all of us yes absolutely alright we're gonna close it out with our title match topic today and just kinda feeding in from what we were just talking about with the auctions here we've seen and we saw the booklets sell we were just talking about that we've seen the hulk hogan sell we've seen everything we've seen massive volatility in the market around wwe one of ones and other rare and desirable cards how much of that is because of a lack of comps are difficult to align to a real world value like how much of that volatility and that up and down sort of across things is is aligned to that just lack of comps there's just not as enough data out there to to help people sell those cards at a price that i think makes sense well it's it's not just that it's not a lot of data but there we're getting a lot of new products from tops that's just never been happened before with royalty we got cosmic universe i mean there's just nothing to go off of past years outside of tops chrome it's it's getting harder and harder and i think what we're seeing now is more people with money coming into this space i've been seeing carl athlete towns post more and more wrestling one on ones yep getting more people coming into here who wanna buy some of these cards so there's more sharks in the water let's put it that way that wanna buy these and if you know who some of these bigger wrestling one zero one buyers are out there your goal is to try to obtain them before one of them do because if they get it chances are either it's not being sold or if it is being sold you're paying two to three x what you probably should have paid to begin with and it's a matter of how much did you really want that card did you really have to have that card so again i think you have to sit back and ask yourself like hey this one isn't for me this one is for me if i wanna go in and collect all these it doesn't have to just be one on ones but in general we're seeing a shift with those because there there's no consistency one could do two thousand one could do seven thousand what's the difference between here and here it's really it's really confusing but at the same token i think you have to put a consideration a lot of factors coming in a lot of people coming into this hobby that have never been in it before who are now wanting to pour their money into this hobby because it is in other words in my opinion and i think and i'm a agree grossly undervalued when you compare it to other sports cards so i think we see we could see it already growing with our collections over the years that we bought we remember what we paid for something and what we're paying now it's like what how did i get from here but but it it doesn't make sense but it does in the same token so that's a little my thoughts behind it what are yours i think like the the fact that it's so hard to value because there's like we mentioned earlier with the psa news like the pop reports on these cards are really small so even when you have like a graded card like there's not that history of comp data that you can pull up on cardladder like i think cardladder does a tremendous job of providing data for the hobby they just it it just doesn't exist as much for wrestling because we're so new to the main stage right and so like i think the other thing is like when you are trying to sell a one zero one like there there's gonna be competition that has never surfaced before because like you said like more people are coming in with the money so instead of me being the only becky lynch collector you being the only randy orton collector all of a sudden now there's two to three people mhmm including those that may not actually wanna collect the card maybe they wanna hold it and flip it which is a part of things like that's the way sports cars are they are a persona mhmm yeah so they're they're one of the personas in this hobby that exists and help to feed the ecosystem so i'm not bad mouthing those people it's part of the the overall sort of environment we live in and now that wrestling cards are growing like think a lack of this comp data won't necessarily be the case forever but i think you know when you start to say like oh tops is now coming in for the first time in four years and like the the chrome comps that we're seeing this year are not comparable as much to last year because things have gotten so crazy and out of hand like with the way that the hobby has grown over the last few years like we're we're trying to find comparisons and it just doesn't exist so it makes it even more difficult and more confusing as you were saying i think also like a lot of these cards are becoming unique right like the wrestlemania patch autographs first time we've ever seen those the inscriptions some of them first time we've ever seen those so when it's the first or when it's something that is unique makes it even more difficult to value it like card may be out of ten but it has this crazy inscription on it you can't really compare that against another out of ten autograph like what do you do like there's just and that's where i think the inexperience of some of the wrestling collectors really shows through on that side i saw a charlotte flair super factor autograph with a ton of inscriptions sell for like nothing yeah because the guy probably just saw the you know that was a steal whoever got that i just saw that there i'm like oh my gosh i would have bought that without even thinking yeah so i think like overall like we have a lot to grow in this space and with all the manipulation we're seeing in some of the auctions from the show bidders like there's just a lot of things here that are doing it now with psa on a shutdown it it really complicates things even further so i i i think we're gonna this is i think this will get harder before it gets easier but i think as card letter establishes more data as more data providers get in the mix as more wrestling collectors become educated hopefully changes yep good point man well a valid point of the thing to ring up too so next week so we're gonna end it here next week try how are we ending it here this is too much time i i said we're on a tight schedule record breaking show yeah i i made sure like we we had to have enough to get us to that hour long mark and then i gotta i gotta head to the airport so last time we did this it was a complete and utter disaster this time i think it was much better so yeah least smooth good job yeah next week ryan's on vacation so brett's gonna be tagging in i can't wait to have brett back on the show him and i will hold it down for ryan while he's out with his family well deserved thank you we'll talk more about cosmic because then by then it'll be very much apparent what the set's all about and we'll cover more of some of the sales and stuff and have a little bit more of an in-depth conversation with brett on some of the things that he's been working on and hopefully once you get back then we can really get into sort of national mode and and sort of like highlighting some of the things that we're gonna be seeing there we'll have a probably a very clear picture of of what night of champions looks like in summerslam so can't wait for that enjoy your vacation my friend hopefully it's fun it man thank you one last thing i'm wearing my mn sports card shirt it's my good buddies josh brennan own the shop in monticello minnesota you've been i hope to be in georgia yeah so in two weeks the june twentieth i will be up in monticello with my family going to their big grand opening they're bringing in some vikings players he's announcing that this week by the way adam free awesome absolutely free free food catering check it out i wanna give a shout they built a brand new shop right off the highway by like a target it's beautiful i've never seen the inside of it i've never been to this one i've driven by it it's nice yeah it looks awesome from everything i've seen so i'm excited so hopefully adam and i can get together while i'm up there i'll be up there for the weekend so if you're in the area if you're gonna be in the area if you wanna go in the area feel free to reach out to me on instagram or follow them m m n sports cards love to get to chat with you in person if you're gonna go up there be i'm there for the whole day saturday hanging out just it's gonna be a day from like ten am to eleven pm check it out but i i i wanted to give a shout out and plug because i finally booked our stuff this week and i'm like we're officially going it's happening that's awesome i get to see you i get to see adam so that's good awesome alright guys with that we will see you next week big gulps see you later