it's episode forty five yes it is i have returned from vacation with my family normally i'd be wearing a vikings jersey right now unfortunately they lost last night but we just got some amazing news right before the podcast came on our boy two chains number eight get your eight jerseys out it's gonna be a fun ride one clap kirky cousins is back the kohl's stores in minneapolis just all let out a shriek of joy he the the the desperate times call for desperate khakis and here we are well the thing is if i had more time from the announcement till we had to record i was gonna drive home to get my jersey to wear today even though they lost and then it was funny one of the guys in the office goes hey you can wear your crew cousin's jersey i was like i've already wore it again hang on with the light of that even though this is a wrestling podcast i'm in a great mood even after getting embarrassed last night with our offense how we're going to be yes and i know this is wrestling and i know we're vikings fans i wanna give away something and here's how i wanna give it away i got something here i'm gonna give away to our listeners and you got two ways to get a chance to be entered into this this is adam has no idea this is me off script this is me going to see him punk with the pipe bomb basically if you comment on the post that we make of the video that goes on adam and my social media and stacking slabs if you comment welcome back kirk or skoll vikings or congratulations adam and ryan i'll give you one entry if you repost that video of whatever clip that we get this week which probably won't be this in your story and tag us i'll give you three entries so there's a chance to get four i'm gonna give away this stadium club w box of stadium club that is excited i am you gotta remember i've been a kirk cousins fan since michigan state i was so happy when we got him i was collecting kirk cousins when everybody was collecting rg three kirk cousins is one of my favorite quarterbacks that isn't like an all time great but he is when it comes to making money so this is amazing so i wanna give this away so just comment on that and then by tuesday next week when we go to record i'll announce the winner we'll do a random on our end and i'll announce our winner so remember comment on the video that we post on any of it just say welcome back kurt congrats adam ryan i mean it's congrats to me what about you it's like a big win i'm i'm ex hey i that game yesterday i watched and i i sent this as a text message to you guys but for the benefit of our listening audience i sent a text message i remember there was a monday night game where the vikings had just traded for josh josh freeman and that and and there's that and there's also forty one donut those were the two worst vikings games in the history of the franchise and that's not exaggerating like both of those games the nfc championship game against the giants and i think the josh freeman game may have also been against the giants but both of those games were unwatchable they were absolutely horrifying to to witness live and last night was just as bad as any i mean like i've never yelled at my team like audibly yelled at your offense not your defense yeah and the defense made josh allen look like carson wentz then you did a great job the offense made buffalo's defense look like minnesota's defense which is insane so it was it was embarrassing that was there's you you mentioned three of probably the worst vikings games to watch in history which i've watched all three the most memorable was josh freeman because it was in twenty thirteen i was in cancun getting married they were the monday night game and they were putting the vikings game that monday night game on the beach on a big titan tron type thing so me and my buddy were vikings fans got some poncho vikings thing so excited to watch that game yeah we were pretty much done within about fifteen minutes so it was it was so bad so alright well i'm the show was was randy that was like one of the games where randy moss had come back after being on the patriots for like a number of year i i there's it was just there was a whole lot of shit that went down no randy moss is retired i think no was he he's i think he was retired but i don't remember i thought he played like he he anyways it was it was so bad one clap but it was bad josh rain is bad so again same club box we're giving away you see you heard it so if you're listening if you listen to this you basically got from when it uploads on friday saturday through tuesday tuesday and then we'll announce the winner on here next week so giving us why we'll ship it out to you there you go awesome so let's get into some wrestling because man there's a lot and the crazy thing is let's get into the opening pyro here like the crown jewel had a lot going on even though it felt like a glorified house show which says a lot about what crown jewel actually represents there were two title changes on the show both of them i mean seeing penta and jevon win that match i guess was a little bit surprising but you know it wasn't like anything crazy i i like it wasn't so out of the blue it gives penta something to do while he's holding the briefcase waiting for whatever he's gonna have to wait for keep him relevant essentially yeah keeps him out of the out of the title picture excuse me so first off i wanna start with the roman reigns and sami zayn match because i i love the matches that roman has put on and somebody and people love love to argue about roman reigns on social media but sami zayn and roman reigns had a great match yes and the the outcome was great i just this there was no stakes to this match and the crown jewel title is some imaginary title that doesn't mean anything so it's not like roman and sammy really needed to to to have this match let alone wrestle what they did i thought it was very well done sammy elevates his game to roman's level i think it was the promos leading up to it were good but they never mentioned the title that they're fighting over in the promos once i we talked about this ad nauseam last last week and thanks for brett for filling in but yeah yeah great match but that like there was no state like it it felt like it was just like a monday night raw i i don't like how they do these to be honest with you all it does is make one champ look less valuable or less desirable or it makes them look weak essentially in my opinion somebody has to lose so who do you wanna make look like the better champion which one's the more belt that holds more weight i don't know i've never been a fan great match nonetheless we knew the chemistry was gonna be great because these two put on a banger in montreal years ago sammy can go well you like him or not he can go in the ring he can go in the mic he's just again he's not every for everybody and i respect that and get that but you knew he was gonna deliver and the way this match ended i love how they did it how you you know acknowledge me now you don't acknowledge like you know awesome it was great storyline because they have their past and let's be honest that bloodline storyline with sami zayn was some of the best ever it really was without a doubt the bloodline with sami was probably my favorite story they've told on wwe tv is been a long time very long time very very long we're talking back since the late nineties yes correct and i think like that whole thing was played beautifully coming into this with the promos but again the the the the outcome of this match had no stakes so it really didn't lead anywhere and it kind of like created this pocket universe i was talking about yesterday yeah then you also have tiffany stratton cashing in with the most predictable cashing i think that has ever happened across all of it no one was surprised by this they've already teased it four or five times she's gonna turn we knew she was turning heel we knew she was we knew she was doing i mean like there's just there was so much predictability here the match was was okay like chelsea poor chelsea like i like i wish she had a better run she deserves a better run just because she's so awesome and you know hopefully like hey does this help tiffany get some of her mojo back with the the card values because i think she's dipped quite a bit since wrestlemania of of a couple years ago where she lost maybe this gives her like it gives her a stake back there are people that i've been in group chats with who've said tiffany strand's never gonna win the title again i laughed straight in their face because that she's way too talented to keep down but like you know either way it was it i i no one expected that this was gonna go any differently no let's be honest they've had to pivot because ria was supposed to be their champion their woman to face to carry this and yeah it sucks you know it does i you kinda like you said predictable it was gonna happen but maybe now we get a more serious character going into this versus a comical character maybe she turns more serious and maybe shows i can be that champion maybe this could be a pivot to that i don't know i think the biggest thing is they needed somebody else to carry it and be that kind of face and to do it on that stage over there internationally was to say tiffany is our girl we're gonna make it our girl we're gonna show you that she's going forward hopefully rhea gets back soon but tiffany is amazing i know you're a big tiffany fan she's incredible in the ring she's way better heel than a face so this is gonna be another one heel oh my god she's such a better heel correct she is but chelsea again awful circumstances that kinda came in it just give her i don't know if she'll get another shot but maybe we'll see how this feud goes because you know there's gonna be a feud for the next two or three months with them too yeah let's talk randy orton and cody rhodes it was i was not a fan of this match and i was not a fan of the setup of this match i'm not a fan of randy and cody continuing their feud i think the fans are tired of cody rhodes he got a lot of boos on monday night i i don't know i i'm curious to hear what your thoughts were having you know randy lose and get punted and they've been teasing this for a long time and the delivery just didn't work like remember going back as far as what wrestlemania forty two they have been teasing cody punting randy and he can never do it and then he finally does it and that's the end of this like but it didn't really deliver like it didn't really like land the right sort of way that i think it could have if they'd actually done this on a stage that matters i wish i had a ball in this room right now because i dropped it because it's a massive ball drop by triple h creative this was your moment on monday night when he came out and says i i liked it enjoy no i i can't i'm a be honest with you i loved it and then make him fully go heal and then now he's back to be in the face cool great guys awesome team usa versus elko yeah i'm like this is so dumb like give me something to watch like come on just stop get let's make him we're tired of it i get you know seeing that everybody wanted to turn turn turn turn turn and follow like it's never gonna happen then it happened and then you dropped the ball on that when it did it was so set up and i'm like cool this is gonna be awesome and that one fell flat in his face cody can be a heel he's been a heel before he is a great heel that was your moment fine randy's gonna go on the shelf take a break for a while probably come back at rumble which is rightfully so but when are we gonna get and again this is me being randy is my favorite of all time when are you gonna give him number fifteen like when is it gonna happen is it gonna happen or we're just here to get our ass kicked and bleed up and get even more back injuries everything for what what better good to finish a stupid story that didn't need to go a third time i'll i'll tell you man like if you had randy orton as champion right now like on smackdown i would watch like i would watch randy orton champion on smackdown i think that would be very entertaining given his current character and instead i'm not saying sami zayn hasn't been entertain like as much as i hate to admit it like sami zayn has been pretty entertaining in his promos and stuff but he's had roman reigns as a foil for the majority of that time because they're building up this stupid match in crowd jewel now what like now what exactly now what where do we go from would really like to see randy orton like kick some ass as the champion like i don't think he's gonna be out and said it's time to take a break and he probably needs it and you don't need him right now he does he's not a full time wrestler anymore so do we get orton back at rumble i mean you're not gonna win elimination chamber again how does he get his title match i mean i guess you gave cia punk a title match out of nowhere against sami zayn i guess you could do the same for orton that made no damn sense so what is gonna be the wrestlemania title match for smackdown do you think penta cashes in before now i here's my thing is who is gonna be the face for that belt going into wrestlemania we we wanna see penta with it but can penta be that face that wwe wants on the main stage of mania so yeah i think if he i think if he's if he's the guy going into wrestlemania to defend it i think he probably wins that match k so then there's been rumors that it's gonna be centimeters punk and cody rhodes which is the last match i wanna see at this point are you kidding me come on be can we be creative here for the love of god right i mean like they they need a a night one main event and i think if here's and and we're just gonna we're spending way too much time on this but like let's say that you have liv and roxanne going after the belt on the raw side and you have roman reigns and obafemi on the other on the men's side yep women's i think you probably have rhea ripley winning the royal rumble and going up against whoever the champion in winning and then you have the because i think rhea comes back at the royal rumble too yep i and that that could either be tiffany stratton it could be somebody else and then you have this smackdown match and sammy just isn't gonna carry a wrestlemania he isn't gonna carry a wrestlemania match so you either have to bring in a name that's bigger than him like randy orton getting number fifteen to to tell a story there but are you gonna have sammy hold it that long though i don't i don't think you can that's what i'm saying like so then who does it go back like please don't cody again please punk doesn't need it kevin owens would have been great i would see that's the other thing is like could you have kevin owens versus sami zayn as a wrestlemania level match and the answer is yes i think that's hundred percent hundred percent if you're gonna put the belt back on kevin owens which absolutely should have happened already but needs to happen quickly ball drop there you go ball drop like you have a wrestlemania match right there and and owens can win the rumble he's never won the rumble he hasn't won a title in ten years like give it to him man like let him run with it he's amazing he's had great run after great run the injury you know obviously sidelined him quite a bit but i don't know that's just my take on it so last last thing we'll talk about here coming into sort of the the card stuff like the raw after this i think you you established like this was not the time to to continue down this path with cody rhodes being the first person that john cena classic cody rhodes being the first tech captain of team usa like none of this stuff is what people actually want to see and you started to hear the audible boos coming through on the broadcast and i think it's people are getting sick of it and we'll talk about this in the game i'm gonna play here with you in a minute but i think cody is is getting to that point but that's really not what i wanna talk about coming out of raw because the bloodline and nine four six are going to war games and i have a meme here that basically tells my feeling on how this is gonna turn out if you've ever seen the hydrogen bomb versus a coughing baby that's basically what this is because you have the most decorated tag team in the history of wwe you have the most dedicated champion in the history of wwe in terms of wrestlemania main events and all this other stuff you have jacob fatou who is a force of nature and you have solo sikoa who has been the bloodline enforcer for years going up against royce keys who comes out of the corner with no entrance music and you're telling me this is gonna be a competitive war games yeah i don't it's just not believable to me but hey sure so we go from all the other war games we've had some actually really good legendary ones the past three years to nine four six okay yeah and and and like i like listen i think the way they've presented nine four six has been formidable like they've really made a dent in the bloodline but they were going up against the usos which are the lackeys which i get it like if you have a faction you have the big bad and then you have the two lackeys then you have like the enforcer guy right and jacob's been gone because he's been quote unquote hit by a car and he's back now and i thought the way they presented that was terrible because the timing just they they're walking to the ring as their brothers are getting beat up like well you know like what what's going on here music is playing and they're strolling it's just it made no sense but jacob coming back wearing a bulletproof vest was great like i i love if this was nine four six versus the usos and and jacob fatou and solo sikoa and just do four on four fine easy but putting roman reigns in there royce keys has done nothing brett made a great point last week royce keys has not been presented at somebody who is even close to roman reigns' level no so i i it was just really weird no it it's i don't even know where you rank royce keys as far i could think of fifteen other wrestlers that i would rank over him at least without even trying so i they're trying to make this like oh we're some dominant faction cool you got some big guys and then a a small guy like carmelo hayes and you got a girl a part of it now awesome where is this gonna go from here are you really gonna have nine four six walk out of war games as champ are you really like what like so when they lose leading to a royce keys versus roman reigns title match which i think is the most ridiculous thing i've ever seen please don't speak that into existence please yeah please don't i i just put that in there's no way royce keys could could put on there there's no way those two could put on a good match together there's not a chance they announced one other match as well becky lynch versus liv morgan for the title at war games i mean the last match they had was great they have great chemistry together i'm a liv hater i'm a becky homer yeah but i'm i'm very much excited to see what they do here becky's not gonna win but no it's something but but it's something it's entertaining at least they'll have a good match it'll be good promos up until that point they've got three weeks to sort of figure this out maybe stephanie vicair comes back and gets involved i don't think rhea is getting involved in this i know people have already said like rhea's coming back she's gonna do this and no you you say you say that for save rhea come back for like rumble this is the time you don't wanna get you don't that's your next really big ple you have some fillers in between now and then rumble is the ideal place to have people come back rhea possibly orton let the you know you don't need these people right now the storyline doesn't fit this isn't the peak time of wrestling right now so save it for when it matters most you know what's funny is this is the first war games that becky has not been involved in she won the first two aj lee tapped her out to win the second yep and then or the third and then now it's gonna be i think charlotte flair alexa bliss tatum paxley and company versus jade cargill and the catering superstars alright so i think that's good for now the tops now cards by the way the tops now cards for for crown jewel are out thanks very very good very very good i will not be buying any how many are you buying adam zero absolutely really but but but they look awesome and if i if i had any desire to celebrate roman reigns' imaginary title win i would buy one they look imaginary title win alright let's get on to some actual card market high spots here i wanna talk about this because yep this is a very interesting situation for those who have been paying attention on social media and on main event wrestling cards you can go to patreon dot com slash main event wrestling cards i've talked about this rhea ripley superfractor that was posted on ebay it is the twenty twenty rookie superfractor but there is a space for an autograph but no autograph mhmm most people don't know sort of what this is all about and i'm gonna explain as best as i can some of the theories that i've had steve who is you know everybody knows sam wwe steve reached out to the guy said he picked it up at a local show i mean could this be any more stereotypical in terms of how this goes forward every indication here that i am seeing is telling me this is not a pack pulled quote unquote error card and the reason that i think this is so important is because people are going to treat this card like it's important and i think before it was pulled from auction it was already above a thousand dollars and there's only two reasons that it would be unsigned in this situation one is that the card isn't real and i think it it looks genuinely legit it does but the other situation is that it's an extra that wasn't put into packs and i want to believe and you are somebody i haven't actually talked to about this usually we talk a lot but you've been on vacation and i've been super busy have you ever seen the signed version of this i distinctly remember seeing the signed version of this i tried to check the psa pop report and the bgs pop report it's really hard with older wwe products have you seen this legitimately signed and impacts from as much as much as your memory would allow you to to sort of consider i not that i recall i hope not i got three cases i'm sitting on to rip over the next three christmases so it'd be nice if it was sitting in there but no i am not to my recollection seen its surface ever so ideally this could be where they had them getting to the point where they signed they have two that they signed and then just in case yeah and just they have one as so the question becomes is did this ever go to rhea or was this not is this one they held back in case there was an issue because so i'll tell the story yeah i'll tell the story of of some of that what people need to understand is that in twenty twenty rhea ripley was just as big as she is now like in terms of a collecting perspective she was the top like she was one of the top rookies in the history of wrestling cards because for the first time and we talked about this last week with the alexa bliss for the first time you had not only a topps chrome super fracture rookie you had a topps chrome super fracture rookie auto you had a topps finest super fracture rookie and this potentially topps finest super fracture autograph now if this has not been pulled where people who have recently joined the wrestling card hobby in the panini era or the beginning of this new topps era didn't understand is that topps was never as connected used used to never be as connected as they are right correct so they would send cards to wwe directly or to the agents who are working with the individual wrestlers to get these cards signed legends they would send to them directly at their homes and remember these autographs were fewer and far between than they are now so like stone cold steve austin wasn't signing six hundred cards like he is now like they would get maybe ten fifteen cards whatever it is per set it was very very short printed rhea ripley was at nxt where they went directly to nxt and sent them there so over the course of twenty nineteen and twenty twenty there were bray wyatt cards there were randy orton cards two of the people you just happened to collect but i'm not saying it because they're your collecting targets it's this is who it was bayley shane mcmahon and sasha banks those five people all had cards exactly like this listed on ebay without the signatures and what ended up happening is either the packages were sent to the wrong place and somebody got their hands on them took them to a card show sold them and then the person listed them on ebay as blank sort of autograph quote unquote error cards the the bailey one i i posted a picture of it on main event because i had it saved like from in my like photo bucket from twenty nineteen i went back and i actually found the picture of the bailey card that was unsigned and posted on ebay it was so bad that an entire twenty twenty twenty one transcendent autograph run for shane mcmahon and sasha banks was completely gone topps saw the cards listed on ebay as blanks went to the seller and purchased all of them back and then put the autographed versions in the transcendent party gift bags so they actually did end up getting those cards for shane mcmahon and sasha banks this one is shane mcmahon's only legit autograph cards that's out there and it was not available in packs which makes that card even more rare but i digress this seems to be it's either one of that situation where the card just never made it to ria she never signed it somebody got their hands on it and then years and years later brought it to a show and now it's up on ebay it is does not seem to be a pack pulled card so please consider that as you are looking to buy because it's currently listed for ten thousand dollars buy it now best offer thank you the more you know yeah there's a lot there there's a lot i mean like it's good it's good information good history it's good context for people who may not who saw this and were like like i got messages from like twenty different people yeah it's unfortunate i mean it's who knows what it really could be but i mean like you said back then things weren't as monitored as they are now they didn't sit down and do these signings religiously with people and sit there and talk to the wrestlers they would ship it you know things were just done differently six years ago yeah it's it's a completely it's like looking at a different era of cards so anyways if anybody has any questions we're gonna be talking about it as probably it comes back into focus as it sells or whatever but i just wanted to mention it because it's important here alright shall we play a game yeah it's price is right happy yeah so i think the the card market news is relatively slow so we're gonna take some time here to play a game as we have when things get slow and we're gonna call this one peer into the future i'm gonna ask you a question that and i want you to look into your crystal ball and tell me what your thoughts would be based on the answers to these questions so let's let's and they're not hard so let's let's get into it here will and first thing we'll talk about appearing into the future will obafemi's collecting appeal and value go up or go down before we get to the main to wrestlemania and his potential main event spot against roman reigns i mean i think the obvious answer and the no brainer is gonna go up i mean his there's gonna be so many eyes on oba to start the twenty twenty seven calendar year i think it's gonna be the year of oba fimi we thought twenty twenty six was gonna be the year it's gonna be the year of obafemi in twenty twenty seven i really do so if he's continually stuck in the vision vortex because i think last night was a further indication that that's gonna continue with what happened with bron breakker i wouldn't even talk about that match and i thought it it was i wanted like after seeing the viking shit the bed i was absolutely looking forward turning on raw and seeing that that was the first match to see obafemi just literally destroy the vision and the knockout launch just launch bron breakker like he was like an infant just seems like i really want and then they they had a non finish like don't even have the match but like anyways like i like i'm curious if he's stuck in that vortex for another couple of months and they maybe move him on to another feud he can win because he's not gonna lose before he gets to this if they're truly gonna position him as the champion coming out of wrestlemania he's not gonna lose until he beats roman reigns so is is his like if he continues down a path where they're like basically purpose built feuds to keep him away from roman reigns will his value continue to go off if it's if it's dipping right now you better be buying that's all i'm saying i've acquired a couple i haven't even posted them but i've acquired a couple since you got my oba floss i had to go replace it with something else so i you got a few good ones i have and i mean i believe in this guy i think he is no brainer of the future i think it it let's be honest i mean roman reigns he could be wrestling for ten more years folks he's forty he is he forty forty one i mean i mean unless he wants to be like the undertaker but i don't think he wants to be so who is gonna be the guy to carry on the torch after roman's gone because roman's really been carrying what wwe for six years now roughly am i correct me if i'm wrong kinda since he that's twenty twenty back and became back and wrecked everyone and leave and did the did his thing to bray wyatt you know he's been a different you know he became a different wrestler and you've gotta think life after roman now and oba they're strapping this is one you could strap a rocket to his back he's not a uso where if you put that on there it's gonna flame out this one has got a long future ahead of him and i think next year is when we really get it because we've been the jabs have been at the roman oba like they've been jabbing at each other but it gets jabbed and they let it go because they're just slowly building up to what's coming so obafemi if his cards are dipping which i can't see him dip it too much maybe if there's like a bunch of autographs come out of a new release you need to buy it because this guy is gonna be the focal point of wwe in twenty twenty seven yeah i i've been purchasing obafemi as much as i can because i'm bored and there's very few there's very few one of ones left that i don't have been doing too many bless packs lately have you just been just getting bored i'm i'm just like i'm just kind of like i i would rather i've like yeah i don't know i like oba to me oba to me is like the complete package he can talk he can work he's he's a star like he his entrance is awesome the crowd loves him he gets these impassioned promos he can hold his own with paul heyman like what is not to love about this guy and i think like they're like the collectors obviously are taking a look at this and they're like yeah this is this is a guy that i enjoy watching on tv even when he's in the vision vortex it's still something that i think is is worth watching and last night was a was a great example of that terrible outcome for the match but it was entertaining to watch them throw bron breakker around right so that's cool one word to sum up obafemi that goes along with some guy named roman reigns aura aura that yeah that's it you you nailed it alright let's go number two here will the potential mid five figure sale of the comic images psa ten rock autograph increase the value of other rock autographs over the next few months no and because if anybody who knows this card knows how rare this to get a ten is it's the only one there can be only one the highlander there you go this for you buddy yep no the best movie ever made now the rock auto should be going up a little bit right now because he all his stuff from twenty six has been redemption so they haven't got a signing with them yet but he had quite a bit in twenty five and they're out there and they've started to go up a little bit this sale will not reflect any of his other stuff because this is in a league of itself this is like viewed not to this level but this is from the area of wcw nwo topps card from that time period which this set is nowhere near the collectible value of that other set but this is rock's first ever pack pulled sign autograph this is a psa ten it's the only one i don't know if you'll ever get another ten of this card because these cards are beat to shit so whoever's buying this is buying a piece of history like it's the best of the best grade if for anybody that knows these cards knows that's what you're buying so no i don't think this drives with the roc autos unless for some reason roc just says i'm not signing any of my redemptions which i can't see happening so the second those hit the market come back live you will see a drop in roc autos because of the flood in the market yeah i i think i think this is a unicorn card for a reason yep the sale will likely be between forty and fifty thousand dollars when all is said and done it's at twenty five thousand dollars right now with buyer's premium as we're recording so i mean like like there's gonna be somebody out there who wants this card a lot because they're a fan of this era i am not a fan of this era i don't like the wcw autographs i don't like these autographs they're just not my style like it's just not what i collect it's not my thing i'm a shiny collector i am a i i i like the the modern era of sports cards and this is still very much before the modern era of what i consider to be or the ultra modern era i'm sorry of of sports cards which is where i've built my entire collection both football when i was collecting that baseball when i was collecting that i never got into this type of stuff i never got into the late nineties inserts like everybody else has like this is not my era it's not my collecting target but i recognize the importance of this card there's another card we'll talk about here in the big sales that went down just an enormous price for the card and you'll see it you're gonna be like how did somebody pay that much money for this card and i think like these are one of those cards that signify a generation right this rock autograph was his only autograph for multiple decades in a wrestling ring and like you know that was signed the rock leaf put out ones that were dwayne johnson but these were it for the rock until twenty twenty five so it was multiple decades and i think it is an iconic card for a reason and the fact that there's only one psa ten i don't think people understand like how crazy this is but i also don't think it has much impact on the tops chrome and other things no because those cards although they have been going up significantly lately i think they're they're not this in the same week and that's what i love about adam and i is we agree to disagree we disagree disagree on a lot of things we agree on certain things we're vikings fans but i for one love the tops wcw and wo cards i have a macho man i have i just picked up a bam bam bigelow those to me are from an era where i used to rip that stuff so that's where we defer but again he didn't do that type of stuff back then i did and i think and i'm some of my favorite sets are o five heritage which i have the roddy piper from that to me is yeah i like those like those i like and those are paper stock too well like a glossy paper stock but they're not shiny of them not of those not the autographs no not the autographs they did no oh you're talking about the tv ones the tv ones yeah the tv ones yes yeah those are cool so again that's what i love about it is because him and i he we disagree on several things but we can agree on certain things and and i can ruffle his feathers and that's the best part i just i like listen i i've made it abundantly clear i don't like a lot of the older wrestling cards it's just not my style and i think the the topps heritage is really where it started to like attract like like the the royal rumble cards that we've seen a rookie and brock lesnar rookies it's not that good looking of a set they're not flashy i mean no they're not i like flashy shit okay here is another question here for you to peer into the future will twenty twenty seven topps chrome perform better or worse in the market than twenty twenty six both from a wax and singles perspective so here's where tops is at right now you got twenty five back it was the first time since twenty twenty one the excitement was there the hype was there oh and by the way you had rock autos you did some other elements to it that made it better here's the problem you have is what can you do differently now this year that you didn't do a twenty six you introduced with garbage spell kids and some others elements to it more inscriptions i don't know i don't think you can i don't unless there's something you can add to get that extra value i know we're gonna get more day there well we know we're getting more debut patches we know that that's gonna help because it's gonna be the most debut patches ever in a release so yes that's one thing so the yes that could drive up tremendously that could change but we're starting to get the rinse and repeat now pretty cool getting to tonka didn't have that before to me i loved tonka as a kid growing up i did too yeah so so you're gonna add those but let's let's stop moving the needle the the thing that's gonna move the needle we know like you said is the debut patches so that could drive it differently but besides that are we really getting much differently are we we're getting new image looks we're getting new designs what do you that's i'm kind of indifferent on this one yeah i am too i think i think there's a couple of things that are gonna help and hurt from a health perspective you have obafemi's debut patch danhausen's debut patch like those are gonna be enormous chases right you also have a likely debut of kaiju cards or ultraviolet the case hits are gonna change i think there's a potential they bring over one or two for fruhupo which will help a tremendous amount especially if they're kaiju cards and you get an obafemi kaiju card which would be a mega chase but i also think there's gonna be some hurt first of all i think the wax is gonna be more printed i think they're gonna print more of it and i think there's gonna be more of a distribution of the hits across retail skews like the megas and the blasters so i think that could hurt a little bit in terms of the overall cost of the the hobby boxes and the the light box are still gonna be expensive i don't think they'll be as expensive but like i think we're getting sapphire we're getting fdi we're getting like so the first day issue is coming back we've already seen the wrestler signing those calls gotta fix that one yeah they do they and they do not not not they're just the autograph checklist just wasn't there for it and that's something i hope and i i gotta assume they knew that too to fix that i think so yeah i think it was a last minute because i'm sitting on like two or three cases i'm just like first of its kind holding them almost thought about ripping and then i looked at the checklist i'm like what incentive do i have to rip these yeah no roman no ria no no there was the only there were very few fbi autographs that were worth it right so yeah i think i think there's gonna be elements of twenty twenty seven chrome that are can't miss but there are also elements that are kind of like you said rinse and repeat alright we were talking about this earlier people are starting to turn on tv on cody rhodes like there's audible boos i was mentioning will his struggles hurt his card values long term okay so struggle or not what's gonna happen is you gotta remember cody is a great signer and he's in every product and he's in nate and when there's so much out there in every release it's gotta continue to drive them down whenever stephanie vakir perfect example when she had nothing and started getting autographs those were going crazy it was like tops now one of our first ones or whatever it was so you gotta remember there's more and more in the market right now regardless of the storyline regardless of if you're booing cody rhodes or not you gotta assume this stuff's gonna adjust on the more basic type rinse and repeat now when it comes with the elements of there's you know match worn material patches low number different however i i think you're kind of at that you're on a roller coaster right now and you're on a down the second that triple h unleashes heel cody rhodes boom i think you're gonna see a shoot up and i think you're gonna get those people who are booing him are now fans of him because they want him to go heel it depends on what kind of heal he is i think he homelander homelander heal come on i that's what we've been saying for months i just like he's too important to the overall structure of sort of how they're presenting the face of the era and he is the face of the era and i said to my father we were we were watching the vikings game together and then we were crying into our popcorn and i said to him i was like you know wrestling is defined by two things one is moments and the other is archenemies and so if you can't deliver a true archenemy for then your your whatever it is that you're remembered for is automatically reduced austin had mcmahon you know you had the rock and and austin sort of rivalry then you had like john cena and centimeters punk you had like all of these becky and charlotte you had like all of these things that are defined by the rivalries and archenemy stories and angles that are told around these moments and if you look back to like wrestlemania x seven which is widely considered one of the best sort of wrestlemanias of all time it's because of who was wrestling and why they were wrestling each other and i think even now like cody and roman are really the archenemies of this era and like i think roman continues to deliver and cody has delivered too so there's there's not taking away from his accomplishments but like you need those archenemies to tell a story and collectors need to have that point of view as well like we're very tribalistic individuals like you need to choose a becky or a charlotte you need to choose an austin or a rock you need to choose a hogan or an andre right like those types of of feuds drive collectibility and i think like i think cody is in a spot now where they're trying to like find his place and i don't think the face cody is working anymore it's just it's just way too repetitive the thing so i'm really hoping that they find a place for him to be a heel because i really think it would be awesome i i think it's gonna happen it's just a matter of are they gonna keep it too long like john cena but the thing is to me cody i remember stardust cody i remember lackey legacy cody to us been watching this a long time to not the kids because the kids don't really know that cody it's hard for me to look at cody and not not take him seriously but take him seriously i mean i remember anybody could come up drew mcintyre wow way to go out there and do it cody did it in the indies as well but to me it's it's hard for me and also randy has sorry not randy roman has aura i don't ever cody doesn't have aura to me not that kind of presentation he doesn't i don't think the fans will boo roman on the level of like they're booing cody because they're sick of this face coat like they started turning on cena stop being the good guy unleash you know the evil like and they used to boo roman yes sorry that roman not this roman now this is a complete different roman so is the roman the roman we have now is the type of presentation i think a lot of people gravitate towards in modern wrestling which is like this this heel you love to see be a heel like so cold one of the greatest ever i mean like he was just he did his own thing and i'm not a good guy i'm not a bad guy i'm just me and this is what you get that is if you can find that like orton's kind of the same way when you could find that groundwork and you could be that in betweener type guy or you could be the face or heel it doesn't matter the the fans are engaged that's when you're winning cody yep is on the wrong side right now and he's gotta he's gotta get to the other side before he gets here he's too white meat yeah there it's too white meat right now there's no shades of gray wrestling is better when there are shades of gray yep alright last one here by this time next year will we be looking at soleruca blake monroe and julia and those type of guys who have sort of been lost in the shuffle in the same situation they are right now because i think as a result of their presentation on tv cards for these people have really been on this volatile roller coaster especially as blake monroe's gotten more cards so ruka's gotten a ton more cards julia's continuing to have more cards now that the supply is there and their tv presentation really isn't as good as it probably people were hoping like do you think that will continue through this time next year yeah i really do unless they figure out what they're gonna do with these wrestlers i mean we know the talent is there this is where wwe dressed the ball they really do and it's like i get it but guys you gotta be thinking life after charlotte life after alexa leaving becky you know we're it's yeah come on five years from now do you really think they're wrestling in five years exactly you've gotta figure out who's gonna be okay ria we we know ria's proof whatever but what's to say ria just wants to have a kid one day you know stephanie you know it's like you've got the care but then she can't stay healthy what we've gotta have one of these other girls step up and take the reign tiffany's gonna do it right now we're fine your girl liv is is fine you know i know you're you're such a fan but i i just worry i just they don't get fit they're they're swandering julia's the the biggest ball drop i think and most people know this when it was her and stephanie coming up one and two and i think they both everybody thought both these girls are gonna go dominate and then one dominated the other one is a jobber basically yep so i i think it's gonna be hard and and like you said the more autographs that come out i mean the more they're gonna dip and that's gonna continue and that just happens well i think naomi is gonna come back probably within the next six to twelve months bianca hopefully bianca's hand heals and she gets another opportunity to come back because she's a megastar and like those are the types of women that can command a division becky's already said this is her last contract i'm sure charlotte will probably go the way of her father and stay way too long yeah yeah yeah go on six years alexa alexa already has a child she's she's not gonna wanna she's not gonna wanna stick around probably past forty to forty five years old like i i think there's there's a lot of question marks here of like what the next generation looks like and luckily they have a wealth of talent and i think it's rhea can't stay healthy either stephanie can't stay healthy asuka is forty one maybe forty two at this point so like i mean if she ever comes back like there's a lot of question marks and there's people that are waiting to break through i really hope we're not talking about them in the same way next year and i really hope they take the opportunity over the next let's call it six to twelve months to build up some new stars i haven't seen anything in nxt besides kendall grey that's like kendall grey yep that that has really given me pause kendall grey is awesome in the a year from now we're gonna be talking about kendall grey in the ring i really hope so she's really tremendous alright let's get on to some big sales this was one birdman who is a guy i follow on instagram bought this card it is the twenty twenty four flawless wwe liv morgan one of one gem auto not autograph sorry it's just the base card sold for three thousand nine hundred ninety eight dollars so big sale for congrats by the way sold for yeah yeah this is this is a big card and i when i was in st louis we and we ripped a a case i pulled the tristratus these cards are absolutely gorgeous i think they're completely underrated the platinum foil just stands out great looking card huge number for a base card i don't think many have sold from this set in this range very much besides like obafemi and one other but like i think like the this is a pretty big card yeah it's flawless i mean it's gonna keep driving up so i mean this one of those ones where i think this is a safe buy i mean liv is she's good she's really good and her cards are showing it and i think this is one of those cards where it's false we we've all talked about false i think we beat the dead at worst but it ain't going down so keep going up alright this is the card i was talking about before i i really wish i could just like pull up the auction page because you could see the photo of this card you're just like no one in their right mind would pay fifty one hundred dollars this is the macho man where's the autograph yeah it's faded to hell oh my gosh it's in like a a nineteen ninety three like holder for a nineteen ninety eight card and it's like this card just looks old it looks beat up it's maybe a psa five if you're lucky but somebody paid fifty one hundred dollars for it and like this is what i don't get like at some point like the vintage collectors love to talk about eye appeal and i've heard it on so many podcasts now it's nauseating and this mba gold diamond crap that i literally cannot stand who paying people to grade graded cards is the dumbest thing i've ever heard but for a card like this where the eye appeal just isn't there because the autograph is faded the card is beat up it's in an old holder on a table like whoever took this picture like you are lucky you got fifty one hundred bucks but this is a humongous price for this car this is the famous line that we use all the time we see a car like this autograph sold separately there's a for the record these are blue ink this is not black ink that means this autograph is faded to hell and it's black now because it was blue i own one it is really good blue look at they're all streaky all the macho bands are but i acquired my psa years ago from my good friend david at the national and it's in my collection but this there's no if somebody really paid this they must have thought this is a rare black on a graph one zero one because it this is just this may if just the photo alone the guy couldn't even like it was it looks like it was taken with a potato and like it looked like it was taken like just like he threw it on a table and just took a picture of it did the terrorist bid on this because the there's no way they sold there's no way i i checked the history like some legit account who bought this i have no idea fifty one hundred dollars i feel better about mine now but good lord yep this is another big stadium club sale this is the dual autograph redemption for the rock and triple h you're just talking about rock's autographs these are out of twenty five sold for three thousand dollars where it'd be a best offer two of the best to ever do it yep huge rivalry in the in the early added in the late attitude era early two thousands and seeing that this went for three thousand dollars as a redemption you're probably gonna be waiting what a year plus for this card if not longer yeah i i really hope they make this card because i i cannot wait to see how it looks the dual autographs and stadium club are gorgeous cards but three thousand dollars for this it is the first one i've seen sell and it's it's an insane price correct me if i'm wrong the stone cold and rock topscombs are what seven eight grand or something yep you know they're live now and i i luckily have one of those pulled out of my shop that i got from matt but i mean you gotta think like if when this gets filled this is better than three thousand dollar card i mean i you can't tell me that this is under half of that there's i mean you're telling me you could you're buying roc autos just roc for two to twenty five hundred but yet you're only paying they're more now they're like four grand now okay sure but there's no that's my point so you can go buy this one for less because triple h is on it come on come on yeah it's out of twenty five so there it's not a not necessarily out of ten or out of five there there are parallels but like yeah it's a it's a big car like i would love to see this in person i i really hope it gets made man it's great way more than three grand so whoever bought this you're fine actually i may wanna go grab one of these if they're gonna go for this number because to me i can wait i mean i've waited for years for other stuff so me too you know so i i think three thousand given given the way that the stadium club dual autographs have been selling very low they're they're the dual autograph set has been selling pretty low this is for redemption that's gonna take a while to fill like i think three thousand is a big price but if it gets made to your point man this is gonna be a gorgeous card yep i saw this card and i immediately thought of rgl he did not get it james no i thought he was gonna got it it is the nikkita lyons pink papa one of one sapphire autograph from twenty twenty six this is not a rookie this is not like anything special she she signed her full name and did a little bit of a design but it sold for twenty three hundred seventy four dollars and james was like sent me a message he's like i don't know who bought this but they're absolutely crazy is this more representation of sapphires all of a sudden out of nowhere popularity in this hobby or is it more because people are excited that nikkita lyons is the evolved champion that maybe somebody's tired of who's not nikkita lyons one zero one's a james so maybe i think that could be more it i mean sometimes people get frustrated in me on orton's like i just had to make sure i got all the time i'm like i would get it man i respect it i don't need to have it all but i mean somebody really wanted this card i don't know to me i i i'm not so into all these papas like it doesn't like it's either it's not like i have to have type cards i don't have to overpay give me a super factor auto all day of the week give me a black auto card one zero one or number to two over this so i i don't know i think it came down to i'm not letting james get another nikita so i better go pay up so hey and james said he was out at that point clearly he said they're out of their mind so yeah exactly alright last one we were just talking about solruka her topps universe foil fracture autograph sold for two thousand five dollars via fixed price on ebay big number on this card like i i think this is a very weak design i don't like the universe horizontal autographs this year i thought universe was as a whole the autographs were weaker than twenty twenty five but this one especially like this horizontal design does not do it for me but two thousand dollars is still a big price for solveruca cards given where she is on tv right now i wonder do we know if brian won this did you confirm with him or not okay so i i don't think he's buying solveruca cards anymore i think he's being selective on the ones he is buying so yeah i mean again it's not like a premium product the cards look great but yeah i mean that's big money considering she has been on the next t what she came up this summer after sandal lever no it was no she had one more match after that so so yeah i i don't know i mean she has a crazy following i mean she does and she's very talented like clearly she's talented i just thought it was funny that whoever posed this auction literally took a picture of the card in the grass like what is what is going on with photos and wrestling cards right now like put your photo get a photo booth on amazon we're doing it all wrong adam this is the way to get premium money for your card this is it this is the way to do it this is the way to do it alright let's get on to a title match topic we're gonna hit the hour again man it's unbelievable i am shocked because between the vikings talk everything else and what we had to cover i was like there's no way to get in an hour i'm proud of you which the title match topic for the week for the week is which wrestler's cards or sets do you look at to figure out if things are trending up or trending down does this impact the way that you collect and invest wow that is that that is a deep question and there's a lot of things that go into this obviously storyline plays a part key wrestler's name you gotta kinda use in my opinion retired wrestlers who are not in storylines who are not obviously getting i don't know maybe as many autographs readily available stone cold autographs are a good indication to pay attention to because he's using every set you can kinda see his trends undertaker could be used as well the undertaker those are the two that you can use to kinda see where things are at it's not gonna give you the whole diagram of it because let's be honest romans probably went up and dip when his new stuff came out they'll be fine long term but so cold taker about in every product and you can kinda get an idea they're doing flawless is a different thing you can't believe that's comparing apples to oranges but use universe use tops chrome use those basic type of sets to kinda show you where things are that would be my best guesstimate to what i know how things are doing where oh wow these were three hundred now they're two twenty but oh how many products have released since these sales to here too yeah i think i think stone cold and undertaker are great indicators of sort of like market like if they're up it's likely because they have a lot of cards now like undertaker and stone cold have a lot of cards now they're in every set like you said so if their cards are up it's a pretty good indication that the set that the the market is up i think guys like that are really important i i think you mentioned roman reigns i think that's another really good name obviously we talk about him a lot i would say people like alexa bliss too but i think you have to find somebody that is on tv if they're an active star like you can't look at rhea ripley right now because she's not on tv i would look at somebody like alexa bliss alexa is a good example really good example yeah it's like it's like you know her austin undertaker even hogan to a degree like some of the base cards that aren't autograph stuff like that could be a good indicator but like others you know it's you know you you just gotta look at people who don't have that hype train behind them they're more just like the consistent people that have been around for a long time when things are up they'll their cards are up when things are down their cards are down like undertaker and stone cold are are exactly where i was looking i would also say like from a set perspective you gotta look at the flagship stuff like prism and topps chrome i would stay away from the impeccables and the immaculates and the flawless because they're so hard to find correct look for the readily available stuff and use that as your as your sort of data point card letter is a great resource to sort of do this research but does it really impact the way that you collect or invest at all no god no no no it does not matter to me i mean it's wrestling i love it either i'm gonna rip it or buy it we're known for wrestling so no if anything if it's down i'm more prone to buy more especially the key names and stuff like that but let's be honest we buy year round we collect a year round so i'm probably the worst person to ask on that one because i'm just i have issues and i hear voices and they tell me get wrestling wrestling wrestling like i'm i'm gonna be at chicago next week for the show and i hit up swish from blaise and he's like we if you're willing to partner with wrestling ryan we need this range and we need as much as you wanna sell us and i'm like i don't know i kinda wanna keep buying it swish so let me see if i feel next week yeah i think like you know we're we're two bad examples because i only i only buy one person and ryan buys everything for his store i think like you know for me like a lot of people wanna complain about price of wax and price of singles going up and stuff like that but to be honest with you man like those those aren't the real people that i think i'm looking at as as indicators of whether things are going well or not i think the people that that really are in those break rooms buying slots and doing the things like every day like those are probably better indicators and breaks are still filling man stadium club still filling breaks like still stuff like this it's tougher so far yeah it's such a good product like topps puts out good wrestling products because there's only eight to ten of them a year it's not like they're putting out twenty or thirty products there's not a lot of like down stuff at that universe was kinda weak but stadium club's a banger like chrome this year was a banger it's gonna be a banger again next year like i do you know how busy i've been this is gonna tell you how busy i've been when did same club release was it two weeks ago two or three weeks ago yeah k my family and i are still working on our case i think we've only done five boxes yeah and i wanna rip it like it's just there but like we just don't have time but i love it and i think thing is with wrestling it's hard because other sports you can kinda see a market dip right now wrestling's so hard because i don't think it's gonna change too much because it's not like it's crazy money to where it could dip it's not like there's cards thirty years old nineties two it's just there is wrestling but there isn't does that make sense yeah i well i also think like i saw a reel on instagram and i can't remember who was posting it like what percentage of the hobby is a collector versus an investor and i think in wrestling and we've said a number of times here collector there's a there's a high number of collectors in wrestling more so than flippers and investors and i think it it's that's what protects us from a lot and insulates us from a lot of the challenges that the regular sports card market is facing right now and i think like if you're gonna continue to look at wrestling as a as a place to operate like just feel more confident that it's it's a little it's gonna be a little bit more insulated the the the volatility isn't gonna be there week to week the way that it is in some of these there's not like even though golden is running this insane combat sports auction right now as we're recording like that isn't gonna have a huge impact on the overall market like people are still gonna buy anything by the way who knows who's going it's like two weeks now so like they there's still like twenty days left or fifteen days left in the auction it's crazy yeah at at the end of the day wrestling i would say the two categories in all the genres of collecting and cards i think the most collectors are in it are wrestling and non sports i'm not talking tcg i'm talking non sports like marvel all that type of stuff autographs i really think majority of the people you deal with in there are collectors because i'm a tell you right now i'm a collector in both spaces i do just as much star wars marvel and everything i don't actively talk about as much but i am huge in the nonsports tracking down auto i'm an autograph collector nonsports i don't care for i don't care for numbered cards i do like some case hits if you the we're talking about the the perspectives where reflection reflection that's it thank you so much i came to get it right so but point being is i think those are the two most collector based genres of types of cards i really do yeah and i think that that has just a general impact on the way things go but you know you look at the way disney and marvel and everything has been performing pokemon too do it to a vast degree i think there's a humongous amount of collectors there too it's just the flipper and investor side it's it's scale right pokemon has a larger scale than any sports card that exists on this planet like there are for every card collector out there there's probably ten pokemon guys out there exactly it it it's it's a gigantic space so like by scale there's humongous amounts of more flippers and investors but there's also a ton more collectors as well yep but i think like from a non sport perspective the weighting of collector versus investors is really key in in non sport it's because wrestling can be categorized in a lot of that way for a long time wrestling was thought of as non sport i've said on numerous podcasts i think it has a foot in both worlds so i think like yeah this is it's a really good topic to say like hey guys like if you're looking at things and you're looking to dive in like we've said a number of times the best cards are not available that's number one and number two like i think there's a lot of insulation because there's end users here in a more in a higher clip than it would be any other place so yep yep we'll see alright it was fun that that is it for this week thank you guys again for listening i think like you know this is the time of year where tops is gearing up for christmas time and and the holidays i know ryan you're gonna be gearing up for holiday mania here which is i already i'm working on it right now right now man i've been the list is made the pricing started but it's it's a process we gotta work out a lot there's a lot that goes into it so stay tuned yeah so i mean like this is a slow time of year for for news and stuff so like we're gonna we're gonna have some fun you know there's there's a lot of stuff that's gonna be changing just as as things move into wrestlemania season and whatever and we're gonna we're gonna try to keep things going as best we can with fun topics and stuff to talk about and maybe we'll we'll have to do some things but don't forget about ryan's giveaway i was not prepared for that but that's awesome yeah so top stadium club's box yeah yep well again so just comment on that reel just something along the line like it's yeah we'll repost it again we don't again you we always post it it's on my instagram adam's instagram it's also on x right i'll have to have you maintain that i don't i don't do the x but i repost it so and then if you like repost this on instagram with our reel and tag us i'll give you some more entries and then we'll give it away on tuesday next week just an excitement for kirky being back kirko chains is back and kohl's sales managers everywhere are going crazy this is this is gonna be a fun time for football as as we get into the middle of the season hopefully we come back next week getting to wear our jerseys because i would i these last two weeks have been brutal but and bear with us as we go through the ups and downs of being vikings fans you guys as podcast listeners may be new to this but we've been doing this for multiple multiple years and multiple disappointments too damn long too damn long that's right and with that we will see you next week big gulps see you later