it's episode thirty three yes it is welcome to another episode we are here summer is almost over which means kids are going back to school but better yet adam how you doing i am very much waiting for my kids to go back to school i i think i i think when you get to yeah i think when you get to to this point in the summer it's always like i love having the kids home for two hours a day and that's what we need them to be at school baseball's wrapping up too so about to get into sort of that winter stuff and college recruiting for my oldest is super fun i hope i never have to go through this again but yeah how about you how's how was your week it's good man it was a good week productive had a nice weekend off got to go celebrate the friend's fortieth and now we're back in it we got sports starting back up parker's got his first games coming up our life's about to be consumed by sports even though school's back in sports are back in but yeah everything's good man i'm i'm excited to be here today and talk talk some wrestling wrestling you you are kind of the opposite of me you're you're like your most of your sports are in the like he does baseball like parker does baseball in the south yes they do fall ball mhmm yeah so we're we're we're we're just starting off soccer and some of it so we got that too we got that as well man fantastic we were just talking the other day it's about every day we have something going oh by the way my favorite time of your fancy football drafts are coming i have my first draft tonight so after i do this i gotta get my homework going is this the one you guys always talk about no this is the i'm in four leagues because i've got problems this is my only pure redraft league i do it in my neighborhood which is fun because we get together at neighbor's house and we have a couple man sodas and just draft and it's a good time so i'll be doing that this evening for my first draft of the year i i totally forgot about it till yesterday i was like oh crap i have a draft tomorrow i need to be at so yeah so here we go that tell me and and the vikings' top pickup is already out for the year that's always fun jamal was gone that was that was nice gone he gone alright so let's let's talk about the opening pyro here just a lot of stuff happening on tv as they ramp up for money in the bank and whatever is going on in this fall and and winter but i was i was pretty not shocked believe it or not i thought jc jane coming into smackdown was gonna win that belt i think they need to move tiffany up to main event status again so i know people are not fans of jc jane for whatever reason but she is a great worker and has been an nxt lifer to this point and so i think they are strapping a rocket to fatal influence which i still believe is man diet mandy rose's group whatever what was that called i can't even remember what the at this point i have so long ago oh i'm so sorry rose group yeah it was gigi dolan jc jane mandy rose was it was it was it fort field what did they call it draw out a blank right now but yes i now i gotta now i gotta look yeah yeah but that that mandy rose's group in nxt was legit and like i like i really liked that whole sort of setup but this is kind of like the next iteration of that it has been going on for a while maybe not with these particular members but you know there's the toxic attraction there we go i knew it was a toxic attraction i was like it was something along those lines but it's been so long and obviously yeah mandy was dominating down there and then for other reasons it left so yes other reason but but yes other other financial reasons financial reasons with those letters with those letters other financial reasons so i think like jc jane i think is the perfect type of person for this mid card belt putting the tag team belts which literally do not matter anymore and they never really have since bayley and sasha lost them like that's it's really sort of just been a mid card elevation type of thing going from lower card to middle card but this us title i think tiffany won it because they had nobody else smackdown was an abysmal mess now it's sort of coming into focus and jc jane can have matches with all sorts of different people solruka tatum paxley like all these people we'll talk about that here in a minute but because of this is do you think that this had any real impact to tiffany stratton because i i really have i've heard like people freaking out about this and i'm i don't know if i agree with that no she's she's and i wanna say like this but she's above this type of title this kind of mid card it was nice to get it on her resume i guess you could say but she is built for main event and i'm not saying jason jane's not i like what they're doing with these nxt call ups that they brought up they're really strapping on to them they're really taking advantage of their opportunities they're not squandering their moments love what they're doing with fatal influence here why not i mean again yeah it's a good mid card level these girls are just got called up and again if you if you don't like or love jc james she can work like you said she's a worker she is a really good heel but she could work in the ring these three together i like it but tiffany i think now sky's limit time to go on a bigger and better things kinda like your girl becky who's back kind of in that main event moment for the main title i like what's going on there so yeah i think it's just one of those things where tiffany alright let's just add a belt to her resume for long term but this is a short lived moment down here at this level let's keep her where she belongs which is up here yeah and i i think like there was injuries to a couple of people that are like well fatal influence injury and all these people like come on like i i think wrestling's a contact sport like we know injuries are gonna happen i doubt it was on purpose it has very little to do with their skill set i think it's the all these women can work i'm not really worried about the injuries and like people complaining about that just don't know anything about wrestling but the the the most important thing here is there are two purposes for a mid car belt one is for somebody who is above the mid car belt to elevate those that they wrestle against yep and the other is to bring somebody up into a a bigger more prominent role which they used to do all the time in the eighties nineties and now i think with a an expanded women's roster we did hear unfortunately that smackdown is going to be going back to three hours likely after the first of the year or whatever it is which could not be worse news for smackdown three hour wrestling shows never work it's always boring it's always just a complete death sentence so i think i'm hoping that they bring up enough talent to really sort of keep that show moving but yeah i think like tiffany stratton is going to have a long career a productive career she already had a year long title reign beat charlotte flair at wrestlemania like she's made like there there's no reason to believe that her value is is hurt by this and i think people are concerned because they've kind of been fluctuating with how they're booking her i'm not worried about it she's very young she's very talented she's great looking all that all that fun jazz stuff so the gooners will love her and the wrestling people will see she's got skill in the ring like that that's a a great mix for wwe but in terms of cards i think lainie reed signed more cards for topps chrome than any wrestler in the history of topps chrome her her autographs are like two or three per case but she's a cheap autograph right now fallon henley cheap autograph right now but i think all three of these women likely are going to move on to other things before their careers are done jc jane i i like i i think she's perfect in the mid card like not everybody needs to be a title holder in the upper main event like i think she's this is a great role for her and i think her cards will do well as a result of this but yeah i mean like smackdown was good again i mean randy and and cody are are building up i i'm wondering if they go on on this next sort of sunday night's main event which we'll get to here in a second or you know what's gonna happen with them but you know oba and brock oba femi and and bron bron breaker got into it on smackdown for some reason it was weird and then we had like the solo and jey uso thing which i i am such a huge fan of solo seco in this role but we saw sort of the results of what happened on on raw and it just continues to be the summer of solo and i i love it so yeah i i i'm glad that he did what he did on on raw i'm glad that he's not rejoining the bloodline yeah really so are they pivoting to make roman go back to the old roman where he's like i don't know i don't know it's kinda weird it's kinda like been like a a switch a flip switch you know and it's like yeah which roman are we getting i thought we were getting a different one but then they're forcing solo in i love that jacob fatou just sat there and watched i love that i think that's building up towards the animosity that he has showing like hey i'm here because i was forced to does not mean i need to defend any of these people this is basically opportunity and solo just said nope and i love the what they're building up with him and la knight solo's great solo delo i'm here for it i'm so here for it but when you said jacob butts who didn't do anything reminded me of the family guy episode where they're all fighting in the front yard and he's like i can't close the door because the small guy over there hasn't done anything yet and i wanna see what he does and then he closes the door and you hear like all the commotions like ah i knew it that's exactly like jacob is not the small guy but like i was waiting for him to get involved and like it was it was great and that whole segment was great i like roman sort of being this heel that people love is is really an interesting dynamic because i i don't think you can have the bloodline be the bloodline without them having heal tendencies yeah so i mean because they all do run ins for each other i like the ula fala you know sort of giving him the mafia sort of these are my captains like too bad that jey uso is a complete clown and and jimmy uso is worthless and i think they they are career lackeys and now they have ula follows to prove it but it's it's really funny also ray mysterio and chad gable had a match on raw i don't know if you've had a chance to watch it yet but you should because it was an absolute banger and i said on twitter that that rey mysterio is an extraterrestrial from planet lucha because there is no reason there is no reason he should be performing at the level that he is in his age it sounds like he he may have come up a little gimpy on one of the spots but man that match was great and gable can work like nobody's business just really unfortunate they settled him with that stupid theme music and the clapping and just the claps what they're going with that's what they're going with man what they're going with it's really unfortunate because gable as like like i i feel like as the intercontinental champion and if they really had some good stories to tell beyond just whatever this lucha apology tour is like the like he is such a good wrestler and he is such a good worker that he could really put on sort of matches and i i if this was a different time and a different era like him going up against some of like the bret hart's and whatever of the i think they would have put on like the best matches of all time even having him go up against the great wrestlers of this era i still wanna see gable and seth rollins have a match at some point i wanna have yep like all those guys that have just really good working ability because the matches really aren't why i watch wwe i love the pageantry and the angles and the and the entrances and everything like that but when gable and people like gable put on these bangers it's like it's must see tv yep i love watching good wrestling man i actually have seen clips of the match i need to go back and watch it i was doing some other stuff with the family last night so sometimes i'm a a day or two behind on catching up on a roll when we go into this but when you said that i went and watched a few clips and i was like wow so this is this is like ple type match where it's been built up and we're getting just an awesome match by by obviously an all time great rey mysterio and somebody chad gable that has put his time in effort energy and is finally kinda getting his flowers i still think there's more to build upon on that i think there is a bright brighter future even though i say that he's been around for quite some time a brighter future for chad gable for his moment to eventually come i mean he's he's like the size of a daniel bryan he really is he's smaller card angle has this same tendencies there's no reason the way that he can work and hold himself in the mic that he does not get some type of big main event moment at some point and i hope the next year i really do think that they they need to do this and not squander this opportunity because i i think the artist squandered a little bit i know you're you hate me on the theme song but there's so much to build up here with him and these matches he's putting on that we're sitting here talking about a rey mysterio chad gable match as a banger match just love it i'm here for it keep going yeah and then the other thing that i think we i wanna mention besides the the women's division stuff is the obafemi and brock brock brock i keep saying brock good bron we're on to bron too many bros too many bros braun and obafemi is i i've i know there are a lot of reasons why this match is like the whole thing about the future and and deeming something somebody in the future is never like you don't do that like drew drew mcintyre is a perfect example of why you don't call something the future you just let it happen and i don't like that segment in which paul heyman sort of like made that a thing but it's hard to not love a paul heyman segment overall and this match is going to be everything i think the brock lesnar matches could not be which is hard hitting longer in length more sort of angle storytelling i fully believe that this is going to be the main event of of whatever i want it to be called sunday night heat yeah i the fact that it's not called sunday night heat pisses me the fuck off but it it's sunday night's main event they're gonna be the main event i would guess if they don't do something with cody because he's from georgia and whatever so it could be cody and randy with the main event we're not sure but i believe this is where bronson reed comes back another bro comes back i think that's why oba probably loses this match and i think bronson reed likely swings it in his favor but then the next match oba femen just comes back and obliterates him so i think like the the whole angle storytelling that they're gonna do here is gonna be really good i'm really excited for this match yeah it's gonna be a numbers game in that type of match but yeah i i mean brock lesnar basically in his retirement i guess the second time yes exactly said without saying it that this guy is the now he is the future i'm the past he's the present passing the past one thing one thing and that's that's where where it should be left at just like it should've been left at wrestlemania and brian brock lesnar retired in front of my eyes which was amazing moment for them to come back so i i do think this match is gonna be an absolute banger you're right this is gonna be a longevity type match you can have more than a eight minute type match here and you're gonna see i would think the way we're seeing the training of bronson reed on social media that this is going to be his return to help bron breakker defeat him but my my thinking is is that paul is still going to align himself with obafemi at some point doesn't have to be his advocate they could hit him i think it's more of those the respect this i respect him because he ended brock lesnar's career not you bron breakker so i don't want that to happen and i'll tell you why obafemi does not need paul heyman like no he doesn't i'm not saying that i'm not saying that no no no i know that but i'm saying yeah no i i get i get i get where you're going with it you're completely correct i could see wwe putting paul heyman with obafemi i don't like that because obafemi is great on the mic and like and the the impression he did of broad breaker on the mic was absolutely perfect by the way it's down to us like a breaker yeah it's so funny maybe maybe you shouldn't have made fun of my boys set there braun how did that one turn out last night so yeah i think this match is gonna be great i've listen oba's cards are on fire we've talked about this ad nauseam and whatever happens with this match has no bearing on the value of his cards the only thing that people have to watch for is what is going on with the royal rumble i've said this since the beginning if he's in the rumble he's gonna win there could be some shenanigans let's hope it it doesn't happen he needs to be in the rumble he needs to win he needs to go face roman and he needs to be in the wrestlemania but outside of that segment i think they're they started off the show for the first time in a very long time with the women they brought up steph they brought out stephanie vakaire they brought out liv morgan and the rest of the the judgment girlies and i i think stephanie vakaire is a little bit over her head in sort of some of these promo segments and it sucks because she's amazing in the ring and i think if she can just bring that up just a little bit doesn't even have to be a lot just to get that that slider of like you know when you're adjusting your creative wrestler and you're like maybe if i give them a little bit more here that's really gonna be the main difference for her i don't think she's gonna be the next champion again like i think they they took the belt off her they gave her the run because the run wasn't really planned but like because naomi's pregnancy and everything like that but i think the the the whole thing is likely setting up liv and becky and i'm i would love to see that match because if if we remember back to before wrestlemania forty whatever it was becky left as a result of of her contract but the last match in that whole thing was with liv morgan she hasn't had that receipt yet so this story is and this sort of battle between them has gone on for a very long time i think stephanie and becky likely have a number one contenders match coming up at sunday night heat and you know whatever that is or they do a three way and it allows liv to get the win before i think she eventually has to give it up when liv gets the belt nothing ever works out like i i don't think she's had an impactful title reign ever i don't think she's a good champion i don't like liv morgan overall but they they have the understanding with the crowd like she could be a top heel she could really do some good damage in the ring she's she's annoying on the mic but that's what you want in a heel so i i just think it's not her that's driving down the the the success of these reigns it's everything else and that's just unfortunate for her i think you just gotta get the belt off of her and let somebody else can you sort of run with it whether that's becky or somebody else i don't know but somebody's gotta get a run with this belt that's not liv morgan because right now i think it's just kind of like that ship has sailed unfortunately because they waited so long i i was actually shocked that they didn't have vo's skybeater i thought that was the whole plan right i think a lot of people have and so i guess there's gotta be more to this for her not to win that match just shows that there is some longer term storytelling here with liv i don't know if she drops it at this particular match that comes up but i gotta see it happening sometime before the end of the year it all depends like i just when i think they're about to blow up judgment day then they just start throwing gold on all of them i'm like yeah this is when i'm like i i think it's run its course eighteen times but yet they keep judgment day going and it just i can't it doesn't make any sense but okay there's gotta be more to this story than than than we realize i don't know but again we'll see i i'm i don't know i just i've i've never thought raquel rodriguez was and she's got the look she's big she's big daddy cool like or what a big mommy cool or whatever they're calling her mommy cool but yeah but like she is the female diesel and diesel you know was not great until he went and became kevin nash like i mean like that was the whole thing it's like he was just kinda shawn michaels heater and i think she's liv morgan's heater but it's like i don't see the personality there with her like i i don't see the charisma that you know kevin nash had and he's a hall of famer so there's very little to say but you know i think like when you look at the way they book judgment day like i'm over it like i i let's move on i'm putting an intercontinental champion on her fine let her work with a few people but get her a title just to give her some some notoriety but i don't see her as a few future world champ i don't see see her as anything which is unfortunate because she looks and wrestles very very well she just i just don't think she has very much charisma okay let's get on to some card market high spots here before we have our special guest joining us chad weldon from sportscar junction is gonna be joining on wrestling card takeover sponsor and we wanted to get him a chance to come on and and talk a little bit but we're gonna do some quick things it's been a bit of a slow couple of weeks so there's not much to talk about other than the cena and now the rhea ripley wrestlemania patch autograph was listed officially in the summer one hundred very much next to john cena best of luck to darius friend of the podcast here he we we knew this was coming because he consigned it at the nationals a big deal that card was the star of wrestling card takeover a lot of people loved seeing it and and being able to take pictures with it just like john cena these are two of the biggest cards of the year if not all time and i think darius probably is aiming to capitalize on a lot of the attention that is coming to the cena card this is a very very nice consolation prize if you don't want the cena if this is a card that you want and you also want the cena cena goes out of your price range maybe you focus on ripley i love this ripley card i think it is one of the best looking wrestlemania patch autos that they have it's a great photo it's a it's well signed it's great it's perfect so congrats to darius any thoughts here just kind of on this being listed next to cena yeah okay first off i'm gonna give a shout out to darius and i'm gonna say it right now we need to get darius on at some point we already talked to him we're good good good good look at that initiative i like that i like it what's in the script why didn't you have a month so yeah it's the auction runs for a month so we've got some time i wanted to give it some time to get cooking a little bit so darius called me i believe it was yesterday and he was like hey man i think golden eye to me he's like they haven't i can't get a response back from him they're telling me it's gonna run with the cena i told him i said look i i said if they told you that i'm sure it's gonna happen i bet the holdup was was the delay of psa which it was supposed to pop about a week earlier they probably didn't have it back in hand yet so that's kinda why i told him luckily later on that day he got confirmation that hey they're gonna have it on it it got on was it last night i think they popped it on which tuesday right now so it's monday but i'm excited to watch both of these get the popcorn ready let's watch some record breaking wrestling cards let's watch all the attention on wrestling cards i think these two together are perfect to line up i think this is one and two i think this is the scene is one and she's number two in the set as far as collectability and value so it's really awesome to see them both run at golden's big big auction premier so i'm pulling for darius i'm pulling to see this market do some great things and really put more eyes and ears onto wrestling cards because this is really gonna plan a big flag for what i believe is the future of these type of patches to come this so i was i wrote an article for main event wrestling cards this week about these two running side by side it is very rare that a a wrestling card at all joins a premier auction we have two in the biggest auction of the summer and i i i was originally kind of concerned like are you gonna sort of split the difference here because people aren't gonna be able to invest in both cards if or whatever i'm starting to see like the attention that cena is gathering you want to have multiple opportunities for those people coming in to see cena to also see that hey rhea ripley is just as big in certain circumstances right this will be the top women's wrestling card ever sold this will be among the top wrestling cards ever sold having them side by side and showing that wrestling can bring a lot of money and a lot of eyes is a good thing like and darius definitely wants to capitalize on the marketing that's gonna happen for cena so i don't necessarily think this is a bad idea i don't know if the audiences are gonna be the same for cena and rhea i would say rhea is more likely gonna be the wrestling sort of counterparts here trying to bid that card up versus cena may have some outside influence i don't know how much outside influence is really gonna have on ria there's not as much crossover appeal there but having this as a as like i said as a very very nice consolation prize is is not a bad idea i i've just i think popcorn ready like like you said it's gonna be insane alright you ready to play a game here while we wait for chad to join us hell let's play a game i like it alright we're we've done buy sell hold here on the podcast before we've got a bunch of new people that have come up and come back to to smackdown and raw i wanna play a buy sell hold game on some of these names one person i forgot to include here is chad gable so we should put him on here if we have time at the end but let's let's start with fatal influence we'll we'll cover them let's let's do the tag team and jc jane individually are you a let's start with jc jane are you buy sell or hold on jc jane kind of a intermediate here i'm leaning towards more of the selling and the only reason is is that she does have quite a bit autogross for years i think this is a great opportunity to be selling her cards with her moments so if she does for some reason do bigger better things i don't think it's gonna be anytime in the near future i think you're gonna have to play the long term hold game of her so i think it's just better take your cell right now take advantage of her file and getting a a title on the main roster so i i'm a i'm a seller on her more than anything i'm leaning towards sell as well she signed for everything her cards this is gonna be probably one of the top moments of her career i i would definitely say i i'm a i'm a sell on her i'm you know it may be a little bit towards hold only because she's still kind of like developing her her her sort of charisma on the main roster but what about fatal influence what's your take on fatal influence fitzfallon henley i'm i'm definitely buying her i mean she is i've seen her in person she is absolutely gorgeous a b i like what she could do in the ring i like her more than i like lainie reed even though lainie reed is the younger up and comer which again those their prices are fairly affordable lainie reed is super cheap so i think you could really buy her right now at her young age but i feel like the they're gonna spark something i think the the other two i feel like jc is the leader now but the other two i think are gonna go on to bigger and better careers is my thoughts on this so i think i'm a buyer on both of them at their market at what they could do with them i think fallon has that look really and she can definitely wrestle in the ring so i think those go hand in hand especially for a female wrestler yeah there's always a stronger member of a tag team and i think fallon henley is is more of the shawn michaels than lainie reed is i'm not saying lainie reed is marty gennetti but she's she's definitely not as put together in terms of her skill set as as fallon henley is i'm probably a hold on both i i don't think i'm buying either one of them the the women's roster is just so freaking stacked and it's just like you have to really break through to make a to make some headway here alright let's do one more or a couple more here whoops what about baron corbin just returned to wwe after a stint away immediately dethrones trick williams as the us titles although he still carried the fertile title around for some reason are you buy sell hold on baron corbin i i i've always liked baron corbin i like the way he is but i am a i'm a seller on him he's back in this moment he is older as well i don't see him getting i think he's just gonna be elevating all the people to the next level i think that's what he was brought back in for to be that really good heel who could put people over so if you have anything in him i think just sell him because he's been gone for a couple years his cards were pretty much almost worthless now i'm sure they've got a little uptick so i think hey take advantage of this because i just don't think he's ever gonna get that moment to be that top guy i think he's he he can be in the right circumstances like they they almost had lightning in a bottle with with down and out happy corbin they all they did they did almost so they squandered it they squandered it and it was really unfortunate because the crowd was really getting behind it and so like i think there are circumstances where he would be a hold but i think because he's finally achieved something in the vast sort of barren wasteland of his career post the the original sort of a call up that he had when he had the long hair and everything i i'm still probably a sell he has a lot of cards out there that just aren't worth very much and you've got a probably ten fifteen percent bump here i take advantage of it alright let's make this a little interesting what about tatum paxley recent debut with smackdown with charlotte flair and alexa bliss what's your call here so if if i had to make a decision i'd be a buyer on her if you watch her in nxt she is phenomenal in the ring the fact that they're pairing her with two greats in alexa bliss and charlotte flair shows you what they wanna do they're strapping something to her for bigger better things for the future tatum can definitely go in the ring she has that different look and i think that goes hand in hand i i think she's a buy i think her cards are still affordable there's a lot of growth there and again when you pair her with these two that's saying a lot in my opinion yeah that whole situation of putting her with bliss and flair is a very big deal the women's division on smackdown i think is a little bit weaker than the raw one currently because rhea ripley is injured and with rhea ripley off tv likely for a few months this really gives tatum paxley a chance to sort of make her mark which is desperately needed for people who are on this brand i mean you see what happens what has happened with solruka i think she has sort of fallen victim to she can work but she doesn't have sort of that personality that is intrinsically charismatic so yeah i think i i personally i'm i'm a i'm a hold on tatum paxley but if i am if i had any sort of indication that that this would like i would be by all the way like i just don't think she's all that interesting personally but she has a great working ability she's great in the ring there was one of the main wwe influencers who does a lot of instagram content and stuff said that she's a better worker than solruka is which is high praise and so i think like if you're that if you like her look and you like what she's about like you better be buying and you better be buying heavy because she ain't gonna be this cheap for very long she's kinda like a i think i said last week a mini rhea i mean she kinda has that little rhea look she has the tattoos going on but again yeah she can hold i think what earth with solruka maybe they realized they dropped the ball by not pairing her with some good vets to really you know kinda build her up a little bit because again her mic work isn't the best but she can go in the ring yeah tatum i think could do all that so i wonder if they said okay we learned from soul we rushed this too quick we didn't pair with some good vets not saying that she would would have gone here but who knows but i think this was the right play when they're calling these nxt wrestlers up they're not ruining them they're finding ways to put them in moments yeah and that's right them in spotlights like in the past they'd call somebody up they'd get a match and then they go bye bye they just fall to fall to the wayside i like what they're doing with this they're saying look we know you were the main people down there you built it up to get to where you are just because you're now a freshman you can look at that way doesn't mean you're just gonna be on the varsity and you're gonna be sitting there on the bench we're gonna make sure we put you in those right opportunities and i think they're doing a great job with that yeah i think if they put her in the right matches she's gonna excel she's gonna do great i just don't personally she doesn't resonate with me the way rhea does and i think that's the problem she's always going to be junior ripley but rhea took a long time though rhea took a long time exactly what i was about to say is like rhea took forever like multiple years to figure out what works for her and had to go through multiple changes in her gimmick i don't think this is the final form for tatum paxley and they they kinda play with the crazy ex girlfriend thing in nxt a little bit and i think they've done that on the main roster with a number of people but it's like i i don't know like she just doesn't resonate the same way with me and i think she's smaller in terms of like her size and and capabilities but than rhea ever will be you know it's just doesn't align the same way for me and and it's and that's always wrestling wrestling is very subjective immediately you choose do i like this person don't i like this person and like when you like somebody you love them and when you hate somebody you hate them and it's always been that way for me i'm just dana paxley is just not for me alright let's try kevin owens here because he just returned after seventeen months away huge pop i was there it was incredible and i think he is probably one of the most complete workers in terms of like mic skills ring skills everything charisma you name it but he signed for literally every set for the last twenty five years it feels like and i'm curious he's definitely older he's at the tail end of his career not the start of it so what's your play on kevin owens here given his inscriptions and all the fun stuff he does for the cards always always been a big fan of kevin owens he he's never been that almond shape guy and he's just like hey i'm a normal human being and i love that about him again one of the best on the mic carries himself and now in the ring he does some amazing work for his size however he is like you said he is signed signed signed signed oh yeah by the way when he was out the past two years signed signed signed signed but he does some awesome inscriptions which add the value i think he is no brainer he is a sell right now i don't know i would love to see them put the belt on him and take it from centimeters punk because i'm such a centimeters punk fan even though centimeters punk arguably one of the greatest on the mic but when you say your best in the world i i draw the line like you said when you see something in the future i've always draw the line in that because the ones who are best in the world don't say they're best in the world just saying however yeah they they all do what are you talking about everybody says they're the best in the world to look at not every damn week and every chance they can and and they'd say they're best in the world when they weren't even close to even remotely the best of the world yeah has he got better in age like a fine one yes but kevin owens i think on borrowed time i think we're coming to the tail end of his career he's gonna continue to have cards however sell them his cards are always gonna have value they should be worth more than what they are because you could buy some of his autographs like on card for like ten bucks which i find disrespectful he's like drew mcintyre is that sign so much yeah drew mcintyre another guy should be worth more but they're such great signers that they get punished because they sign so much so i think no question i i think he's a sell i think you continue to sell him i don't think there's any real growth even if he were to win the title i don't think there's gonna be an uptick spike but if there would it'd be better than sami zayn's which was short lived for nine days so yeah i i think he has a title reign in his future i think they're gonna give it to him one more time before he retires he made he came all the way back from that neck injury that yeah i think he deserves and and like entitlement for titles is bad like i don't like that i don't like saying oh pete this guy's been here forever he deserves a title run that's not what i'm saying i'm saying kevin owens deserves a title run because he's awesome and he's earned like the crowd's favor in that respect i'm a hold on everything that's unique his descriptions his stuff like that like i'm a hold there but i am likely a sell on anything that's common while you got the return bump in place we'll do two more solo dolo solo sikoa are you buy sell hold on solo he's he's so cheap compared to what his market used to be when he was coming up the ranks for nxt i think there's so much potential with his growth in cards he is a buy right now you could buy his autographs for really cheap he's more of like a buy hold but i i think this is just the beginning of the things that they're gonna do with solo they finally figured out what to do with them how to get it he is an amazing baby face i love exactly what they're doing with it i think he is a great buy or a great hold versus anything selling right now yeah i am straight by on solas are going he's awesome i i i've already picked up a few of his cards just and and like i said we'll cover one of the big sales here i'm gonna add chad in maybe he can weigh in as well if you're ready chad give me a thumbs up leroy jenkins let's do this yeah so welcome chad weldon here from sports car junction wrestling card takeover sponsor you can hop in here for the last part of our opening segment and we'll get into some talk here but you know solo secoa has been one of those guys that you know come twenty twenty two prism i think were his first cards and like they have gone nothing but downhill and he's finally found his groove and i love what they're doing with them i am straight by on solasico chad what is your feeling just i'll give you a chance to weigh in here as well have you liked what they've been doing with solo here yeah i mean i clearly he is like the funniest guy on the roster and has so much charisma and it seems like he's been buried for his entire main roster run i think he's the kind of guy that they gotta give the ball and let him roll with it i agree and they kept him as like the silent enforcer too which is so bad considering what it is complete opposite of what we're seeing yeah like we're we're if if we woulda got this guy further than a day ago i mean who knows where he'd be right now well yeah the bigger problem with him too that i see is like yeah he was like that silent enforcer which is kinda hilarious because he's not that big like it's not like he's six eight four hundred like he's he's bigger he's bigger than me but he's not like a massive guy but the the thing is with like the current like payfabe type stuff is everyone sees him in between when the the product is live they'll see him in between commercial breaks goofing around so like he is the funny guy they just need to let him be it yeah yeah exactly shots fired shots fired that was so good yeah so let's get in one more here and then i didn't have a slide built for but i've because i forgot chad gable with his recent run first us title or first intercontinental title win of his career first individual title of his career bad theme music just the collapse but are you buy sell hold chad on on chad gable i mean i i think he's incredibly undervalued but like you guys were just talking on ko drew mcintyre even like a damien priest like they don't really get a whole lot of hobby love i mean i what are chad gable top's current autographs like ten bucks like yeah i i i don't know that that's gonna climb i mean he's obviously towards the the back half of his career i mean he's in crazy physical shape and stuff but like are they even gonna remotely push him like he's been pushed for the last year in aaa probably not i i don't know that he has room to really do what he needs to do to gain i mean he's so popular if you just follow social media people love chad gable and the market doesn't really reflect that so i mean he's probably i mean it's not like it cost you a lot to hold his stuff but i don't know that he's gonna like double or triple in value i don't think he's ever gonna win a main a main championship besides the intercontinental i think it took a lot for him to build up to even get the intercontinental which sort of says a lot about where he's been in the in the the scope of wwe but i i'm probably a sell on chad gable grande americano stuff is still sort of selling because it's it's rarer than his normal stuff and he's been around for a long time ryan what about you i think he's more of like a hold the hold the rare stuff kinda deal the real like kinda one on ones harder stuff and then sell the other stuff because yeah he's been around quite some time back again signing a lot but i mean he's popular right now is there a chance that that maybe they could throw him in money a bank and have him win it i don't know they've done that to chad's boy la knight for years every time i think la knight's gonna win it they just have somebody else randomly win it so you would think if they continue to build this hype and get to money in the bank that'd be an opportunity i don't see doing it but yeah yeah i think he's one of those guys where if you wanna hold the rare stuff and then maybe capitalize if that moment comes because i don't think it's ever gonna fall below what it is because it's not like he's super expensive but just sell the other stuff because you can always get a chad gable autograph awesome let's get into some big sales here and glad to have chad on as well because i know he's he follows along here the roman reigns bape one of one baby milo autograph the foil fracture sold for three thousand fifty dollars a few week a few days ago on ebay via best via auction i'm curious i i didn't actually check this one so i'm curious if this actually went to a legit account i thought it was best offer but it looks like it's sold via auction oh this is on golden sorry so it is it is legit what is like for the babe stuff seeing the cards here sell in this range seems even a little bit high but i mean like these baby milo cards appeal to a certain demographic of collectors who grew up with bape and all this other stuff and the baby milo stuff this card is is a very unique one it's likely the only one they're ever gonna do so i'm curious what your guys' thoughts are on this sale at three thousand fifty dollars for roman reigns and a psa ten ten if you think that this is any other roman reigns where it's actually a picture of him that seems like an absolute steal for three thousand but i i mean as much as i'm i'm not a raving fan of these i now own the randy orton one zero one like because i have problems i don't know why i just i talked i talked myself out of it and i just said screw it i'm gonna buy it anyway i'm not a raving fan i know it's a certain niche that collects them but again i think for this it might be about right but if it was any other type of roman reigns or just him i think this is a for a ten with a ten auto one zero one seems really low for roman reigns in my opinion yeah chad yeah i mean i think the gunther one pulled mid threes if i i think it was like thirty five hundred on best offer which obviously we all know that the gunther market is very weird right now really is it tell us about it yeah yeah but i i i personally am not super moved by these cards and it's not that i don't appreciate the art and the community that likes them it's just they aren't for me which i think that's the whole point of collecting cards is not every card is for everyone so i think we're showing our age here is what it is yes so we have to yeah yeah like i up until these cards i had never heard of this this like genre of of of card i don't know what this is i like i said i'm i think ryan was saying i might be older than the the demo you're you're showing your age is what this is this is the this is the coming of age moment my friend i mean if you're just talking roman one zero one autographs sure it's cheap but i think it's because there is like a more senior collector that is not going after these i also don't know that i would have sold this this particular type of card on golden exactly yep so i it's it's very niche i would have probably just thrown it on ebay for like fifteen k obo and see what offers come in but i don't know it's it's probably i guess it's accurate in the conditions of what it is and where it was sold gotcha well said alright let's move on to sami zayn's tops super fracture variation autograph with a let's go inscription somebody listed and there were like three or four big sami zayn cards cards that all sold at the same time and they all got some good prices which i think is likely due to sort of the focus that he's had in in recent sort of days and weeks with the title run being only nine days doesn't matter people still see him as a champion now and they should this one sold via best offer twenty seven fifty it's the it's a great looking photo it's from that that bloodline sort of raw that they did in or smack down they did in montreal right before elimination chamber in that match with roman reigns it would it's a it's an iconic sort of moment and i think that also probably contributed to this price but twenty seven fifty for sami zayn's super fracture chad it like is this kind of card like more representative of the inscription or the moment or everything like what's your reaction here to this price i didn't until you said the price i was not aware of the sale it seems high to me there was like i think when you said the other cards went up there was a bunch of sami zayn one of ones that were listed for buy it now in the last week and a half or so that were closer to like the three to eight hundred dollar mark if you had asked me prior to the sale what that card would sell for i would have said like eight hundred to twelve hundred bucks maybe i would say that you're right it's probably more so going to a collector who is interested in inscriptions in the finer moments more than the talent i mean sammy's market like we were talking to other guys it's not i mean like his non numbered autographs are like ten twenty bucks so seems like someone really wanted this one maybe not necessarily all due to sammy ryan breaking records is has to be the highest selling samuelsang card in history and it cannot be close that's the first thing i thought of i i get it i this card has the look i love the image you cannot go wrong with superfractor oh and that's on card and there's an description which is a famous saying with his song obviously let's go if you're a collector yes this is for you this is arguably probably one of his best cards to date you don't see a lot of same easy in the inscription out there but yes i think this is probably closer to that thousand twelve fifty range maybe fifteen hundred if you're really pushing it so this is this went very high so if you're the seller on this one great for you and you're the collector you wanted it congrats to you yeah i think there was a a collector who had almost all of this selling it it goes pd cards or something like that on instagram i i talked with him a few times and he was a big sami zayn guy and i think he's selling off most of his stuff at the right time would you guys be shocked if i told you that there was another super fracture autograph with an inscription that sold for generally this amount as well so i think to chad's point it's likely somebody collecting the inscriptions and the super factors versus collecting sami's name but you never know like he does have collectors out there so another huge sale this is the frozen factor psa ten of the rock it's sold for twenty six ninety seven via best offer on ebay i'm was i was shocked at this price until i remember there's a guy out there who is literally trying to complete the frozen factor set in a psa ten and given that there's only five of these cards per wrestler when one of them comes up i'm guaranteeing you he's probably putting in a a chubby bid on a lot of these things so twenty six ninety seven ryan what's your thoughts there wow that was my first thought i i know like i i pulled his retro factor of this card it wasn't even more than five six hundred bucks and that's number to five i get it's frozen factor but i thought this was gonna say maybe closer to the twelve hundreds maybe fifteen hundred range but to see that now if you're that guy and you're building it as frozen factors as psa tens kudos to you you're probably gonna be stressed the entire rest of your life because i don't know if that means i feel it's possible accomplished but kudos to you for trying i this is a massive sale for what the card is the rock stuff's kinda weird like some of his stuff you're like okay this went high this went low this should be worth more his market's really weird i've learned with the cards you would think some of his stuff be better and it's not i'm traditionalist i'd rather have a red refractor i do love the frozen refractors they're cool i own orton my kids own bray they're really cool unique cards but to see that number i mean whoever wanted this really really wanted this yeah i don't think this picture is very great either like i don't like the picture they use in a lot of the twenty twenty five chrome cards like i think that was a something they fixed dramatically in twenty twenty six with so many better cards i do have the becky in a psa ten i bought it that way and the guys asked me a couple of times to sell it i just can't bring myself because there's not been other ones that have surfaced these frozen factors are really tough bull let me ask you this let me ask you this for you chad if you were able to obtain a becky say it was a psa nine and this guy would way overpay for the becky psa ten absolutely okay i asked what i wanted to make sure yeah if you can find me a raw version who wants to pay this much for for a a non psa ten well mine's a psa ten if he wants to pay me for that and get me the raw version i'm happy to to do a cash in trade deal but chad what's your do you have the gunther ones for yeah i have and you said this is twenty five i have one i don't know exactly if it's the twenty five or twenty six i'm not incredibly moved by them i bought it just because of the gun through at the time it seemed like a good buy i think i got it for like under two hundred maybe raw that's about right i mean that's a pretty tough chase to go after that entire set just due to the fact that we talk about this i mean obviously just on the side all the time that i feel like so many of these cards never hit market because a lot of the wrestler collectors if they hit it in a break they tend to keep it and they don't put it it's not like with traditional sports where people are just buying spots to flip the cards like you i mean most people buy like cooper flag spots in basketball they're they're trying to hit cards greater than sell them now the rock is probably one of the unique ones in like that small sliver that people do buy that spot to flip stuff but it's a big number man i don't know i would i would probably be selling my becky lynch ten if i had it but i understand you needing it for your rainbow i have the rainbow yeah the rainbow i'm still waiting on the base one of one to surface so the super factor from twenty five for becky has not surfaced even though many of her variations have yeah i'm like ryan i'm like i like building rainbows but at the same time i have backed off significantly in the last year and a half just due to volume of cards i need to acquire i mean what are these rainbows like thirty ish thirty five cards or forty cards with the geometrics and everything yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's a lot i i know that i buy most of like the reds and stuff that i see but if if i had to have paid up like four five six hundred bucks to get the gunther frozen fracture i would probably bow out and and put that money towards something else i mean for the rock you can get a lot of his autographs for that price right exactly this is the cost of a rock autograph in a place that's not gross price i don't know i think obviously this guy chasing the set he's the guy and clearly someone else might know that too and could be manipulating some some underbids but you never know there's no manipulation on the wrestling card market yeah right exactly i was actually lucky enough to pull the twenty six becky frozen fracture i have i pulled it with phil bum one of the release date breaks but i think the cards are cool like when you have them in hand they're cool but yeah this is this is a little bit high talking about the the buying potential for solo secoa i think the cat's out of the bag a little bit he had a one of one super factor autograph this is the blue brand from twenty five or twenty six even though it's labeled as twenty five and it's labeled mft boss on the inscription solo sicole with a full autograph because he's sort of reverted to just signing solo these days twenty two hundred dollars via best offer again there were like five or six of these super factor inscription autos that all sold within the course of a few days like back to back to back to back to back to your point chad i think it is somebody going and buying this up but if there was one that actually deserved to have the come up happen it's likely this one with all the recent tv focus twenty two hundred bucks chad what's your thoughts on this sale here congrats to the buyer and seller i think long term though with the mft inscription i don't like it as much just because that faction obviously fell pretty flat it was it was obviously hyped up so much throughout the last year yeah yeah i i just i i don't know that it's a bad buy obviously tides raise all boats so if his entire market goes up that could be a good buy if i was collecting him i would have rather had some other solo inscription on it but brian you have the other one right you have the twenty five i had no i have the flawless autograph relic subscription i thought you had a one on one yeah yeah yeah i mean i i it comes back to the same thing like if solo is truly undervalued and his entire market goes up then this this card will go up too i don't know that this one is going to raise at the same percentage as one that's maybe a little less pigeonholed into the mft thing but i don't know i mean it's a it's a cool ass card i like you said you mentioned he's not just doing the just solo thing i i i'm i'm very bullish on the solo market though like i said overall i think if they can finally just let him be his own thing it'd be great which they still are not letting him be his own thing because he's kinda like la nights like watchdog but i think eventually he gets to get highlighted a little bit more it's kinda tough when his older brothers are still on the on on the roster too because they wanna have them have interaction but i don't know i mean it's a cool card i like his penmanship it looks great ryan yeah i i'm with you on the mft thing i mean you're yes it's an inscription but you're paying up for something that should never be brought back again it did not work out well it was very interesting and i think it felt completely fat on his face but to see this if you wanna get again it's topps chrome it's superfractor it's autograph it's on card subscription you're gonna pay up it makes me feel extremely happy that last year i bought the flawless one at the national which was the vertical up and down autograph with inscription now i gotta go home and look at what it was i think i paid like five hundred bucks for it last year one zero one and i was like i'm the biggest fan like i'm kinda got to the point now where where i'm like i wanna i think i talked about this last week because i wanna buy some more inscriptions of just one wrestler that i liked and just put it back because i love inscriptions i love on cards so i i think somebody really paid up for kind of what they're doing with his storyline in it right now but also not that it was a good storyline that with the inscription that goes hand in hand this new character is something i think it can really spin off and continue to build upon and that mft is just gonna be never hopefully never brought up it it literally ended jc mateo's wwe career it ended tango loa's career i mean like granted neither of them really had i mean jeff cobb is a a great talent so it was kind of unfortunate for him but tangulo was never gonna be the guy let's i i i have a lot of of stuff to talk about with chad i'm sure but first of all thank you for your support for wrestling card takeover you were one of the key sponsors for us there you came out a little bit early to the podcast we always love having additional commentary so thank you for that how was the national for you like what was your experience that week like i you guys look i talked to ryan shearer who was working your table said you guys were busy nonstop curious what your experience was yeah i mean people who know me well know that the i i recognize the national almost as like a holiday recognize the national almost as like a holiday i can never have a bad time there i tell people and truly mean this i don't care if i buy sell or trade one card i get to see people there that i only get to see at the national i mean it's gotten to the point where i see ryan maybe twice a year and the national is one of them adam i see you once a year it's at the national i see ryan shear once a year so the national what i tell people too is if you're a dealer or just a collector if you have a bad national you are the reason why it was a bad national i'm thinking way to say it again i mean it's true though if you're a dealer and you have a bad show selling i would maybe soul search on how you are handling your your pricing model how you're interacting with people if you have a bad time buying maybe you need to readjust with how you buy cards i managed to pick up a few pc items that i was happy with this year's national was really cool i liked now i was not on the consumer side of the national promo cards that tops did so i don't really have any comments on how the the eql thing worked and like price points and all that stuff and i know that it people are a little people are disappointed on how like you know how they didn't do like the the product trade in for packs and stuff i was able to acquire a really cool the gunther red from those packs i have not seen the super base or auto surface i i think the national was crazy it was really interesting to see just the floor like it was so busy i didn't i i still like i know ryan probably wishes this too i wish the national was like seven days in two of those days i'm just a collector on the show floor and i can walk and see these cards and like i didn't get to go see any of these wrestling tables that people were talking about at our booth and get to just like enjoy the show i mean when i would leave the booth it would be to go use the restroom as fast as possible to get back because there's some some question or something going on i know ryan has probably very similar thoughts to that it's but i mean the national it's a special place man it's it's a place for like every genre of collector has a group there which due to obviously adam everything you've done you're you're helping bring the community together i know that the soccer community they do like their big soco show next to the national really like the vfriends people have their group of people there so like it's the one time a year where you're around the most collectors that have similar interest to you and for me i just like making connections with other collectors because at the core that's what i am so i think that's i mean we we've had a lot of talk about that and and ryan you've given your feedback a lot as well and just how drained you are going seven days i think might be pushing it as long as but two days where you don't have to be behind the booth maybe that changes things well in in defense i'm there basically six days you're there five plus days chad i mean like i mean we're there to get it on monday and then we don't leave till sunday we're setting we're dropping off monday and we're setting up on tuesday but i'm with you yes we don't get that opportunity to walk around i did actually start getting the opportunity on sunday i think it was like the first time i went over to thc brian's table and then next thing you know i'm buying some stuff there so again i i think that is like the only opportunity you get is because it was such a weird sunday i think check could attest it started off really slow like ghost town you're like alright everybody's gone and then like noon it hit you're like crap it there's people here you know it's yeah it's just yeah i think i'm with you on that like i love seeing everybody i only can see chad usually twice a year now which is the national and usually one of the conferences usually it is tops so it's the only time i get to see him even though we keep in touch and we text almost daily but it's an opportunity that you just don't get going anywhere else in that amount of people to bring together i i call it the christmas week for cards i really do for the hobby and it's just one of the my favorite weeks of the year but every year it's like wow we're just talking to nationals like three weeks ago and it's like it's a blur it's already gone and over with and it was done like that and and the thing is that you mentioned like okay it is like a it's a marathon of a show but like what a lot of people don't see is the fact that we start prep work months in advance and then like the two weeks going up to the national it is like all day so really we got like three straight weeks of like working on kind of like that show and then you get back and me and ryan have shops so we're immediately we don't have even time to decompress from the show we're right back into it which i know kids at home waiting for us too so mhmm which i know ryan has probably already started stashing cards for next year and going and figuring stuff out for that so it's it it comes and goes very quickly and is also very exhausting at the same time so like i in the moment it's just kind of a blur but you also wish there was more of it too like i said i think that's more so because we don't get to enjoy it as much as collectors as we would like to it's just go go go for us i'm gonna give you some advice and you got i know you got the kids at home this has become my national i go to the dallas card show and i go there now i went from once a year to now i'm going three times this year i'm going in september and that and again i'm flying in thursday i'm flying out friday john and i go it is our favorite show to go to because it's like the national used to be you get to walk around that show you see great cards you talk to people it's not overly crowded but man the amount of cool stuff that i see and it kinda gets me back to my collecting grassroots and what i loved about going to the national before i was a dealer that's my cheat code i called that i get to enjoy the national without walking the national so word of advice when the when the young one gets a little older maybe i could see you three times a year and you come to dallas and hang out with me for a day or two yeah that sound i've i've i've been interested to go to dallas since it first started as you know it's just it's logistics of figuring out how to get in and out of there and and make a meaningful trip in a short period of time i know that you've had a lot of success picking up some really cool cards while you're there so i don't know maybe maybe this year i'll finally be able to attend one of them january get out of pittsburgh in january january i get to go two days because we know sports go in january it's the best one of the year because everybody and their mother who is north of dallas is ready to get the hell south because you know as much as i know he's in minnesota i'm in misery and you're in pittsburgh we get some cold winters so there's your opportunity i i know it may conflict with upper deck but if you can even get down for like leave on a thursday come home on a saturday the only problem you could face would be weather delays and stuff like that sounds like i'm sleeping on the floor in your room with you and john then no you could snuggle with me baby come on alright come on ryan makes me a good movie so i think the the dallas i went once adrian peterson was signing that was the first public signing he did after he was drafted and they did it at the dallas show so i drove from san antonio and like that show at the time was still mega show but probably pales in comparison to what it is now it's sort of gotten the reputation of being sort of like the dealer show where people like ryan go and sort of stock up on stuff i i definitely wanna go and just because like i know the area i know the area january yeah january maybe that's maybe that's a time where we all need to sort of make a make it a point to get out there i still wanna make it down to ryan's new shop i'm trying to organize a a a camp day for my son who can go to one of the universities in the area so i can go visit ryan's new shop you said i think you said washu or something like that washu or something like that washu or something like that washu or something like that washu or something like that forty minutes away yes something that's not division one that i can actually have a shot with my son at but yeah that would be a lot of fun to do at all of us in in in january in dallas because it is really cold here it's not much better in pittsburgh i have to believe no pitts pittsburgh's miserable as well during the winter i i would love to get away is that why it's called shitzburg in the wintertime no one calls it that that must be you me this must be me i don't i don't listen to outside city opinions of my city so maybe that's just you yeah yeah maybe it is no no disrespect to pittsburgh no i also needed to make it to ryan's new store because i didn't even make it to rvi crew two point o i only saw one point o so i need to to make it out there too in in my rebuttal i've never been to your shop so i need to come out there and see because once andy was there facetiming me i epically realized i failed as a human being so that's alright we need we need like a world tour of card shops like i think like organizing like you know everybody goes to all the baseball stadiums and all all the football stadiums like there needs to be like a a map and just like a wrestling card collector shop tour would be awesome well yeah i mean i i i'm i'm out in pittsburgh usually once every other year for business so i i just last time it just did not work i was in philly for for ron and a few other things and i couldn't get to pittsburgh but like man i'd love to see all of that and see nate and everybody as well and you know i think like from your perspective because you you obviously have been in this community a long time we've had you on the the old old podcast as a guest and so you've been doing wrestling cards for a while like what has been so over the last let's call it since twenty beginning of twenty twenty six even when everything has just gone to the moon like because i think we had you on this podcast around that time as well what's changed since sort of the last time you've been on sort of in store market like what's your commentary on why things have gone so far well we had i mean we had that run about i don't know what was that ryan maybe nine months to a year ago where there was like very few releases so things were getting really dry out there from the wax perspective unless you're a psycho like me and ryan and you had like acquired some stuff i've noticed we definitely have more wrestling collectors with every set which we have universe obviously in what a week or two which i think that product should help get more entry level stuff just because it is a cheaper rip and they're adding mega boxes and stuff this year but what i've noticed in the past year is just it seems like there's a lot of new money coming in and new money that is used to buying other genres and they're throwing it around in a way where the traditional wrestling collector doesn't fathom i think a lot of i've i've been collecting wrestling cards since i was a little kid i didn't get really heavy into it until like right around covid like six years ago i got right back into like collecting wrestling cards again i would say a lot of these older guard guys they don't understand it is not it's not all market manipulation people are really buying these cards they're paying for them and i think people just love when they see a big sale they like to just say like oh it's manipulation it's shilling all this stuff and sure there is that in every category but there are a lot of collectors that are newer into the space that are like i said they're throwing money around and it is still such a smaller percentage compared to baseball prospects in football and basketball i mean look at like the basketball market like the cheapest debut patches what are those gonna be fifty to a hundred k like it's well the one i think the floor on those is like ten to fifteen k i'm the the worst guy yeah and i mean i just i think that topps' relationship with these athletes has done very good i don't know how you guys feel about this i don't know i don't know something in me thinks that there's a little oversaturation on inscriptions right now i think that it i don't know that every product and every one on one needs them that it makes it it it even though they are one of ones like i mean gunther i mean heck i think between cards i own and other cards that people own he might have like twenty plus cards that have the ring general inscription on one on ones obviously ko does it in his own way where there's you every inscription you need different though yeah yeah so but i think that the we are still i think on the very beginning ascent on the high end market i we obviously we none of us have seen much room on like the lower to mid end stuff i know that adam is forced to possibly give people information they don't want and they don't always understand that the low to mid end market is not the same as the high end market and it's not the same players so like i remember when we had there was like a a kerfuffle on a a a gunther card and people were trying to quote adam like orange is going for fifty bucks and he's like yeah but these are not in the same like tier of card like look at sammy that sale at twenty two fifty and you can get sammy autographs for ten bucks it that that is not a it it it is not as simple black and white as oh this wrestler isn't popular so their one of one shouldn't be worth x amount of dollars i mean i mean like i'm unfortunately and unfortunately i collect gunther and his market is i don't know adam probably has a better way of tracking like market percentages than i do because he's like a big numbers guy but his market is up crazy on rare stuff yeah like three four five x now you you know them death bat and you and nature and all those people like you there's people who collect that but yeah it's it's an interesting take and then there's still like the the we we've talked about this before too we're like the the i think this is more like the core like longer standing wrestling collector group it seems like they don't know the market so they undersell stuff and oversell stuff at the same time like they there's not as much understanding of the market so i know like there was a pad one of one from twenty six that was i mean it was listed for like six k and i made what i felt was an incredibly fair offer and was immediately countered at like twenty percent higher and i'm like man you should have taken my offer it was a good offer yeah so i don't know i think that there's still a lot of education that needs to happen in the wrestling community which i know we all kinda take that upon upon ourselves to do so but i think we're still really early i mean obviously if you're if you're on twitter and stuff you you see that there's a lot of unhappiness with the way that the show is booked but that doesn't really translate to card values in my opinion it has nothing to do with it so if but if that is hindering some people from coming into the market imagine if even like ten percent of wrestling fans collected cards i mean it's probably in single digits for actual collectors that that watch the product yep i'm with you chad the one thing i'll say and i thought about this when you're talking about product and everything like that is i noticed with royalty was the first time we've ever seen really people who aren't wrestling collectors dive in for the chase the gamble trying to hit that john cena trying to hit those wrestlemania patches i i was crazy the amount that we sold in shop to people that were like i'll take a gamble i'll take a shot even cants was ripping this stuff and i'm like cants you know nothing about wrestling absolutely nothing but we saw for the first time wwe made a product sorry topps made a product again flawless was different it never really translate over but this added element these wrestlemania patches really drove other people into the gambling aspect the higher end consumer who is probably dealing in basketball football ideally usually or taking shots in ripping and trying to pull one of these debut patches it's the first time we've ever seen that in the wwe market for parts yeah and i think you're gonna get to continue to see the growing on that especially with oie dynasty coming at some point which we're all itching for which will have the summer slam patches in them so again i think you're gonna see more of that they're gonna make more of these type of products in the wwe scope that are gonna drive other people from other avenues of collectability into this yeah i agree i i agree i had people talking to me about the cena i would say that in twenty twenty four update chrome baseball the paul skeens card definitely brought people into collecting because they were chasing that yep i think that that that small category i don't know if that creates long term fans or not or if it is just the gambling side of it i think when does the scene go off is it like a month a few days from now or a week no it starts tomorrow it starts wednesday this week and it came last month it starts tomorrow yeah for a month yeah so the final sale price the hammer price of that i think will send some shock waves through the wrestling community and the non wrestling community it's gonna get a lot of press it already has i think all that's good to do like you said is going to propel people to want to chase those again in the next product which i am i'm looking so much forward to dynasty and also not at all due to how much money it's going to cost are you looking forward to pulling your sami zayn autograph for like worth a hundred and twenty bucks maybe like i probably got twelve hundred dollar box or something crazy yeah like ryan knows i ripped a couple cases of royalty i did not do very good on the financial side of those rips i love it i was i was very lucky and grateful to pull a gunther one of one from royalty breaks on like the first day or two was that troy from wax culture to hit that wasn't that troy i believe so and then i missed out on a couple of the other one on ones that just at the time his market was just starting to i was just getting used to his new market and i i kinda balked at a couple prices and i missed out on some cards which i mean i learned i i understand if i wanna go after something i'm gonna have to go crazy heavy now but dynasty i think is good to chop some asses i think there are gonna be some people who yeah aren't like the wrestling community probably isn't that familiar with dynasty understanding it's five cards per case the checklist is however many names there's gonna be a lot of skunking and those spots i don't know if they have remotely when does it come out we don't it hasn't been to be determined yeah to be determined but like it's we're clearly we all know it's not gonna be selling for the suggested price on preorder we all know it's going to be much higher than that and brakes are going to be very expensive which i will be i don't know how i'm gonna assess that one yet i know i did like forty or fifty cases of royalty breaks and i did not do very good in them me either yeah so i don't know i i i think that that that one is gonna be the scene of selling is gonna send some shock waves and then we are gonna be dealing with answering a lot of unhappy collector comments when when dynasty drops so let me let i have one more question for you and then i gotta wrap up because i do have to jump here but the disney market is i i wanna draw some parallels here because three years ago there wasn't a disney market and the disney one hundred product has become the new darling of the the investor community with people buying just like it's five x month over month i like i think wrestling has gone through a similar renaissance at a much lower scale in terms of like how much the cards have jumped because there was already more value built into the wrestling cards than there were disney cards but do you think that there is some parallels to be drawn between what's going on at the disney market and what's going on with the wrestling market i obviously disney has a much larger footprint than wwe does yeah i i don't know i i i i've seen some of these prices that are made in the store do you sell much of the disney products in your store we do i don't know at the level in which some of these sales are going down it's more so the the collector side of it like a lot of like the blasters and stuff but i don't know i i i think if it even gets a a taste of that disney bump that we're we're in for a crazy ride here i i i don't even know warren like the bass mickey psa ten song for like five hundred dollars or something and it's insane like it's it's feels like twenty twenty two or twenty twenty one where you have very like the disney one hundred set in twenty three is what really has driven a lot of this and i was just curious because you guys both have large shops with a lot of different product selection you have probably some of the most wide ranging different types of cards in your store like are you getting more people coming in asking for this stuff the same way you did for for wrestling back in the day now are is there a potential sort of parallel to be drawn that hey some of these cards that we're seeing massive spikes in in disney are driven by it's the flavor of the month it could wrestling eventually become one of those players of the month maybe not at the same scale because of how many people like disney products versus how many people like wrestling products in on tv and whatever but and disney owns marvel and fox and simpsons and everything there's a new movie there coming out too like i just think that there's like if we saw a fraction of that in wwe it would be cool here's what i'll say about the disney why it's doing so well and not just talking about those why it's heating up girls and women they wanna collect it you're getting those type of collectors now or women that don't collect but their husbands do and they're discovering disney i had one of my the guy who actually did all our shirts he actually hit me up about a week ago and he's like hey i love what's going on my girlfriend is now in the cards and it's because of disney here's a list of all these dizzy chrome parallels on your website can you pull them off i'll come in buy them as a gal take care of you so it's grabbing a different demographic that we're not used to seeing because most traditional card people are men or boys now you're getting girls coming in and oh also they don't make a ton of product every year they only make i think three or four skews maybe a year and they had the cheaper one the disney seventy the chrome is very popular the sapphire though is super expensive those trading at like twelve to thirteen hundred hours a box you're dealing with a different demographic but somebody who could really talk about this i think we need to maybe dive in with stephanie malba rex does a lot with it she oh yeah wanna bring in but i don't know if the parallels could be similar because you're getting so much demographic into it and oh i know wrestling is worldwide disney is also even bigger worldwide and well known and and i think it's something that that any person who wants to get into a hobby especially in the cards like my daughter loves it she's like i wanna collect the girls she loves collecting girls in wrestling but oh minnie mouse this character oh princesses yeah princesses again you're you're grabbing something different different audience if wrestling can do a fraction of what disney's doing to the next level instead of we're talking what chad said earlier that maybe a couple percent of a hundred to actually watch wrestling collect if we can get that number closer to seven to ten percent in the next two to three years sky's the limit but it's gonna take a lot and i think we're gonna need more from topps who's already doing it with basketball and football and baseball they're slowly doing wrestling there needs to be more emphasis on wrestling to really gauge more people and yes they're putting product at wrestlemania they're doing this there they're doing this there's still more to grow upon that and i'll also yes we can get women into collecting it or girls and there are that collect that's something that is lacking in the wrestling department i have one more note for that too which i've noticed so i i on ironically i didn't know what topics you were talking about today my wife i didn't either on i don't read the script i don't read the script so we me and my wife were sitting on the couch last night after the kids had fallen asleep and she is getting targeted reels lately that are trading card based and i guess she told me that like josh groban is a big disney collector now and she's seeing him collecting cards i know that like is it emma roberts that collects disney heavy like yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i don't know that we have a lot of big influencer type guys and women that are collecting wrestling i know dominic mysterio i think collects his own cards and stuff but the big thing that disney push has had is i think a lot of celebrity have been talking about disney cards there's a shitbag too and wrestling has so many big celebrities that that watch if they start collecting and talking about it i think that has a ripple effect too the fact that my wife who is separate she doesn't do anything with cards i'd obviously i do but she doesn't care if it's getting into her reels now that josh groban is collecting disney cards i think if something similar translated for wrestling because wrestling honestly i feel like when you go to a live show it's a pretty neutral field there are so many women and men that collect that family it can yeah it can take my wife likes certain wrestlers but she had she it's not in like her field of vision unless she's talking to me about cards so i think if they can tap remotely into any of that celebrity to talk about these cards there may be some wrestling collectors that still aren't even aware that the card thing is as big as it is well said awesome i love it and and and yes these topics come from my butt so it's like you know it's it's you can pull them out of your ass sometimes you have great i i just think like this is one i heard i've heard on a number of podcasts i know you know we we talk about all of the different content that all of us are exposed to but like this was one of those topics that i've seen percolate up through the ranks the content sort of ecosystem so and i saw just a lot of parallels in like disney is coming up in in whatever i'll give you a crazy stat the most asked about type of cards of the national war do you have more disney do you have disney just telling you interesting yeah and hopefully one day that will be more of wrestling more there are people out there who don't want that and don't want that exposure but with that chad why don't you tell everybody where they can find you just on social media and in your shop and and we'll end it there it was wonderful having you back on again thank you for your support of wrestling card takeover and everything so i'll give it to you to to give them the handles here yeah thanks for having me guys i mean if you just go to sports car junction dot com we have click through links for any social media that we post on awesome thank you and i like that and his shop is in pittsburgh pennsylvania go stop by they have a ton of wrestling stuff boxes wax across the board nate don't don't forget to give shots to nate my boy nate nate nate and and they're and they and you guys have gotten into pokemon as well which is big oh yeah if you're a pokemon guy make sure to call me we've we've honestly so we were we've been in pokemon since ninety nine but in the last five years we've gone really heavy into like the single side of it i don't know if you could see the cases behind them those are etbs by the way i'm sure yeah those are sure yeah those are etbs over there i see them so thanks for coming on man catching up yeah thanks man and with that we will see you guys next week big gulp see you later