what is going on it is episode twelve here excited to be back for another week ryan bannister our normal cohost is on vacation and a well deserved one but i have an awesome filling a cohost for me today jamison long for those of you who are unfamiliar with who he is he is the owner of port city sports collectibles he goes by exquisite sports collectibles he is a huge wrestling collector and one of my friends from for over the last few years of collecting wrestling cards jamison have and i have talked for a while jamison how are you sir how's the week going for you i'm doing great man it's been a great week and just excited to be in here i know i have big shoes to fill with mister rbi crew himself but we'll do the best we can today i'm sure i'm sure ryan will not mind you keeping his seat warm for him but yeah man i'm i'm excited to have you on i know we've we've had you on podcasts outside of this platform for a while i think but now that we've sort of gotten this one off and running i'm excited to have you on here let's let's just talk a little bit about sort of what what brought you to wrestling cards and collecting and how you got started just in case anybody isn't familiar with you you have a really visible collection on instagram and i know you know when it comes to sharing big roman reigns cards mhmm there is not many other people that can eclipse what you do yes acknowledge jameson and his awesome collection here so let's let's start there like what what got you started yeah i mean i've been collecting cards for as long as i can remember you know six seven year old opening packs with my dad first job ever was at a card shop so and and at the same vein i mean wrestling was a huge part of my childhood as well both the wwe and back in the wcw days going to events so it's really kinda just a combination of two things that were just childhood just favorites that kind of has weaved into my adult life and it's just exciting to get to do a little bit of both i would say you know because of the shop wrestling is kinda like a little bit more of what i get to have fun with i would would say so it's kinda like my kinda you know the shop and the main major sports you know obviously or what drive you know a card shop and then you know the wwe wrestling cards is definitely more of a niche but a place that i'm able to have a lot of fun and really really enjoy kinda trying to acquire these rare mainly roman reigns but you know if something's really cool i i don't mind adding it to the collection yeah absolutely and i've i've seen i've seen your posts on instagram where you're kind of talking about the stuff that goes out in the shop versus what's going on with your actual collection you actually just opened a brand new location right so how's that been for you like i i can only imagine the amount of work that probably is necessary to get something like that off the ground after already having your other location did is the other location still remaining open is this now your one sort of stop shop or do you have both simultaneously no we you know we kicked around the idea of like do we do two smaller shops or do we do one mega shop and ultimately at the end of the day i felt like managing one shop to start making it a mega shop it's much easier to keep your culture and the vibes and what you're trying to make happen within the shop within one point so we went from we took a big jump though we went from about fifteen hundred square feet to six thousand square feet you know only being open about two and a half years so a big leap of faith but man i if if i can encourage anybody if you've if you know you've built your business right and you you feel that you have that momentum in a in a smaller space and you're you feel like you're ready to make the jump make it man we have been i mean just the feedback and the amount our business has jumped since we've changed stores just in like a month and a half has really been even way more than i expected wow in a best case scenario it's been really just humbling and awesome just to see how many people are loving the shop you know how many comments we get and just really get to see you know kids and families and friends and everybody just kinda on a saturday it's like can be complete chaos up here in a good way in a good way you know and so it's just been really exciting just to to go through the process and again if there's any card shop owners listening to this and they're wrestling with the idea i would say you know jump in with both both yeah both both feet it's been an awesome awesome just transition for us and our team yeah and i like i knew you before you opened the shop the original and i remember sort of how nerve racking that was for you originally and just how much success you've had just with everything you've done in in the carolina area area and everything so i mean like it's it's just been great to see you kind of evolve there like now that you've had this experience over the last few years like do you feel like you've taken some lessons from your collecting strategy early on and sort of like how wwe maybe sort of changes the way you look at hey maybe this is something i need to do for the shop versus this is something i need to do for me you know just like i think it you know you could put wwe or or any other sport in there really you know one of the biggest shifts for me i would say from jumping from the not having a shop to now like you have the shop which is your primary source of income of how you're feeding your family you know you have to kinda you know i i always looked at everything from a collector's standpoint and most typically what we do is like especially when you're starting like this you buy stuff you like but that didn't always translate over to what the customers want so you really had to change and and dial in okay you're not always shopping for yourself jameson you have to shop for what people are are coming in and asking for and that really means you know because a lot of my if you knew me from before the shop you know a lot of my pc and a lot of stuff i collected was the high higher end stuff but that's not what most people are coming in and buying you know most people want if they're buying singles they want that fifty to a hundred dollar card or even less than the bargain boxes you know it's cool we we love to have the big pieces because they're eye candy and people really come to love to come look at it but i would say a bulk of our single sales are you know under three hundred dollars you know it's not the big things though i still like those i still do buy those for my pc you know but really that was a big dynamic shift it was like okay you can't just buy everything you you like first of all you don't wanna sell it because you like it second of all you know that's not necessarily what everybody else wants to buy so that was a big kind of i said paradigm shift when we opened the shop originally and then you know having things out to display you know that was one of the big things for buying getting the new shop was like we can have bigger dedicated sections for obviously you wanna have enough baseball basketball football i mean those are the three major categories but now we have our own you know wwe case we have our own you know insert case here and that's really helped us as far as being able to get more product out which is also gonna help us sell more product so we've been able to even though we you know a lot of times somebody would come in and ask for wwe and we'd have to pull boxes out of the back just because we didn't have enough space to have it out out but now we have dedicated spots for them so they get their own kinda area to shine in and that's really helped as far as it comes to buying selling and trading in the wwe market yeah for sure i think that's that's a really interesting sort of perspective and i've like i i've i've heard ryan chat about this quite a bit just because he probably deals with a very similar amount of challenges there but you know as you guys i'm sure are ramping up for the summer of the shows of the summer and everything that's going on and you know with wrestlemania coming and fanatics fest and nscc like everything that's going on it's gotta be crazy to see how you sort of adapt knowing how people are gonna be preparing for those shows but great to have you i think this will be a fun conversation hopefully we'll we'll be able to to add some cool perspective here from from somebody who is you know similar in sort of the the mindset that they collect things like ryan and i do so jameson does have a little bit of a similar approach but i think when it comes to sort of his overall knowledge of just the general collecting area i think he'll he's he's gonna be a a he has he may have big shoes to fill with ryan but i think he'll he's gonna do a great job here so let's get into the opening pyro here just we're gonna start off talking about some of the feedback from raw and smackdown over the last couple of weeks you know i i gotta say this is my favorite time of year for wrestling as as everybody is i mean the road to wrestlemania is always fun but i feel like they are making some big big overtures they're really changing a lot of the direction they had coming into even the royal rumble like everything they're doing with randy orton obafemi and brock lesnar i mean like they're really turning up the volume like like have you had a chance to sort of catch up on the last few weeks i know things have been busy oh yeah absolutely man i mean i was actually i was talking because my kids we watch it together a lot of time i have two boys sixteen and fourteen and so and i was talking to jackson who's my older son this morning and we were talking about a little bit of what happened last night you know with roman and punk and then you know talking about the the main event on the other side with orton and and cody man and it's just been it's so good to see how good all those guys are you know if anything you know i've seen your top thing you talked about unhinge orton it's just i think it's like orton and obviously rbi you know ryan that's his guy but he is so good and you just get reminded he's the guy you can insert him anywhere on the card and he's gonna flourish but then when you really give him that premier spotlight just the little subtleties and just everything he does he's really a master at his craft so it's been so good just getting to see him kinda up back on top of the card where he belongs to be i think yeah and like we we've covered it a little bit of like ryan just wanting that persona back for so many so many years i think this point he's been like this face that they sort of trot out there and they put him in great matches and stuff but he really hasn't had like a true like i'm gonna sink my teeth into this and really sort of show people that i haven't forgotten the viper than the legend killer that used to be i think that's what's really so cool about this view because he really really popped cody on that on that step the the stairs spot that they did a couple of weeks ago and like everything he's did with matt cardona and all the other things like it just shows like randy is still randy and like he's like he's still one of the best at what he does for a reason absolutely absolutely no he he's been it's been a plus work i mean i really hope you know i i think a lot of people are hoping that he gets the opportunity to run with the belt i think he deserves it i think it's well overdue i think there's probably a little cody fatigue you know a little bit to a point with people you know it's it's hard to be the white baby face that's hard to be a white meat baby face for that long you know and and i think i think you know almost even the point where you got a double turn at maybe or something like that where cody turned heel i wouldn't mind seeing something like that because i think that's something that cody might actually need at this point just to kinda get him back on track with the fans a little bit yeah i mean like they're they're clearly trying to like hey we need the guy who's gonna go visit the kids in the hospital and do the make a wish stuff which is great like i mean obviously wwe has played that role for many years but like i just i feel like cody doesn't have the the layers that i think john cena is potentially able to show if you really let him shine i know wwe put some handcuffs on him for a number of years and it really limited his fan appeal to the greater generations of wwe fans beyond the kids but like i really wanna see cody go back to something a little bit more than just i'm i'm here and i'm dusty's kid like yeah like that's kind of the way that i looked at it but i think like you know orton's cards are up like i feel bad for ryan but like you know for somebody who's been around for what fourteen championships and like all these like there's really not much this guy's gonna do on tv that's gonna make his that should make his cards that much more valuable but it's crazy how the waves come right like collectors just watch this and like oh woah order's back on top i gotta go buy some stuff well i think i think one of the big things too is that well when you have some guys like you have ryan who's a super collector so like so much of that stuff gets locked up that now when something actually does come to open market it kind of like you know people still want they're like if you're a wrestling collector card collector you're like man i even though he's not my guy i'd still like to have a cool randy orton card in my collection yeah so then because the volume is so shrunk is it because one he's underpriced so a lot of people are like oh man for a hundred bucks i'll just keep my randy orton autograph you know what i mean so the market gets so compressed that when you do get a actually a really nice card come you know into the free market i think it does create competition because there's just a lack of liquidity when it comes to cards like that that's a really good point i mean like for a while roman was like that too like no one was buying roman reigns even though he was already a five time champion at like you know thirty five years old or whatever it was and now he's among the top collected people because he's the tribal chief but also because people are starting to recognize that he really is the face of that or you know previous generation here and like now that he's sort of solidified himself as like the the the new sort of rock stone cold level guy like people are are jumping in so i i get what you're saying orton is definitely undervalued for what he's accomplished i mean there's there's not many people in wwe that have done what he has and speaking of that person brock lesnar is probably the other person that's accomplished very much so but because of the controversial nature of everything outside the ring you know he doesn't see as much value but man i keep watching these oba femi segments with him and he clearly wants oba to go into the strategy even if oba doesn't end up winning the match which i think would be a a a pretty likely outcome that something will happen where oba doesn't win or whatever but i really want him to and i think collectors are like this is our new guy like let's go buy everything oba fevi and i sure have been trying to buy some stuff and there's just nothing out there but those segments with him coming out the crowd reaction the strut the entrance the moves like everything is amazing yeah no i mean obviously oba is super is is was getting over on his own but everything you see that's happening on monday night between him and brock lesnar is not happening if brock lesnar doesn't want it to happen exactly so you know brock and i think that's a kudos to brock i mean when brock you can see and it's been well documented when brock wants to put people over there might be nobody better in the industry just because of who he is that put somebody over because it means something when it happens to brock lesnar you know yeah absolutely yeah and and so you know brock obviously sees that oba has star potential or he wouldn't be letting this happen but you know who knows maybe they are at the point where they're gonna actually strap a rocket to somebody and try to get that next generation because when you do look at like the biggest the biggest stars in wwe right now i mean you have brock you have roman you have punk you have randy i mean those guys are you know they're getting older you know and you know you gotta start you know i take a look at like these last i mean i i mean oba obviously is massive but i look at the last three guys they brought up from nxt oba trick and javon evans they all three look like stars right are great yeah yeah i mean they're brilliant like he's so cool like i like he he plays a character that i think like the the over the over the overzealous heel that just thinks themselves as the top guy in the market has been done a million times but he like he his whole presentation with these three guys like you mentioned has just been amazing yeah no i mean oba you got the overpowering superhero javon you got kinda the young underdog almost like know even though he's he's really tall he's so slender he's almost that taller ray mysterio type version and then you got you know trick who's just he's so funny he's got he just has so much charisma you know it's almost like a modern day like like a almost like a scott hall just charisma just he just looks cool you know what i mean like he does before he even says anything you're like this guy's cool and then he can talk he does have the gift to gab so yeah it's just a really cool kinda package you're seeing with those three guys that they brought up and and kudos to them for getting getting over on the main roster and like i think for the first and i i mentioned this in my post today on main event like the the idea of prospecting in wwe was such a dirty word in like the twenty seventeen twenty eighteen twenty nineteen time frame because you these guys would come up into the main roster they would change their entire gimmick they would never give them an opportunity to use their nxt resume as anything it was truly seen as the minor leagues and now it's just not the case like they bring these guys up and they are ready to rock and like they they they know how to act because they don't have to change they're not max dupree instead of la knight right they're right right they're they're like they're just coming in and doing it and like i think that means a lot for collectors who wanna come in and say okay i i have more confidence that you know this guy is gonna come up and and they're gonna give him the spotlight that he deserves or heard the spotlight they deserve and like it's it's been so good in for for cards in so many ways because you you don't have to worry about pulling a rookie autograph anymore like you pull a rookie autograph out of a box that's that's a good thing it used to be like oh i don't know if this is gonna hold up here right and i wonder how much that'll that changes too with triple h at the helm instead of vince just because vince had that that knack to like totally do a one eighty on your character that you got over with in the first place and then because he pictured you as something you became you know something outlandish where i think when triple h is using the and shawn michaels are using these guys in nxt it's actually for what they're gonna be on the main roster they're staying much more true to what they were in nxt rather than you know come up from nxt and now you're doing a one eighty on on their character yeah new new attire new gear and you know i remember when karrion kross came up he was a monster and then i totally forgot about that put him in that crazy garb whatever he was wearing and it just totally killed his character or whatever yeah so you know totally forgot about triple h i think sean between sean and triple h i think they're working in sync probably to okay this is what we view this guy being on the main roster how do we get him from a to z so he's ready or as close to being ready by the time he gets there yeah i mean like they've they've they've tried like the like braun it's like if you go back in time so we've got obafemi right now last year was like stephanie vecaires and then before that it was tiffany stratton and then braun breaker and like all of these other things like there's always this this sort of like one person that collectors latch onto but for the first time i think like there's like a few there's you know you you've got everything you mentioned with trick williams and jevon evans their cards are popping off like everybody is now recognizing that wwe is is really installing the next generation stars like we'll talk about aj lee and becky lynch in a minute but they're like you know aj is not young becky is forty you know liv is young ria is young vakira is really young so i mean like all of these new stars that are at they're occupying the main wrestlemania matches for the most part outside of roman reigns and centimeters punk are are pretty young guys and that's awesome for the future absolutely absolutely i wanna cover this brawl on raw that happened on monday night because i i like they really sold the hell out of this like i was like i saw liv like i i'm not a liv morgan fan that's well known but like yeah whatever happened between those two where she just like let loose on that i i've been waiting for something like this to like go down and really sort of sell this match because i think the ria and jade cargill situation like they're doing the war of words and liv and vicar are doing the physical thing it's like it should be the opposite like right right see rhea ripley and and jay cargill try to tear each other to pieces and have liv and vicair go the other direction but i think probably the promo skills are probably not there quite yet but that brawl on monday was just absolutely insane yeah no i mean it's good to see these ladies i think i think you know both feuds i think when it came to the women's i think i think honestly more people are probably invested in the aj lee becky up to this point just because they had that history together and you're kind of you're you're waiting for the kinda why why do i care about this match you know and you're starting to get it i think between both of the the women's titles the the championships so yeah it's good to see it's good to see the physicality you know liv is you know she's great as a heel she makes you not like her you know it's just the the annoying laugh and all that stuff and then vakkur she's she can absolutely go in the ring you know she's probably you know if not the best one of the top already workers in the women's division right now so you know you have all the recipes you need you know you got a heel that you know you don't really care for you got a great baby face brawler that can really go in the ring so usually that's what makes magic in a match so it's good to see them get a little heat on each other outside of the ring and hopefully that they keep that going all the way up to mania yeah i think i i said on on twitter and i caught some heat for it what that i said like eventually stephanie vecaires will be at the level of e o sky in terms of wrestling ability and she just needs sort of that extra sort of time to bake in the oven a little bit because she's yeah she's so good in the ring like she's so good absolutely so aj and and becky just the last thing we'll cover before we start moving on to some card news like i i really like this segment for the first time because i think they've had some duds the two of them i don't know if it's just lack of familiarity with each other or whatever but these segments usually don't work i think monday night they they finally figured out how to get people invested in this and i think it was a really solid segment painting becky as the scared heel and aj lee is like hey let's let's get this going so i mean like it's gonna be a match i don't think aj wins if she's gonna continue to be kind of like a a part time sort of a talent they bring in for special one shots becky's gonna cheat she's gonna probably do something crazy i i said this match should have happened for the first time in may in mania instead of an elimination chamber for whatever reason or in chicago for whatever reason like that's the way they went but we'll have to see how this plays out i i think it'll be a fun experience just to see aj finally get a chance to come back to wrestlemania i know that's one of her things that she's talked about is like that she's missed is that huge crowd because she never really had that when she was you know wrestling the first time around so i actually picked up one of her cards from the blizz online packs yes and i put it up and like hey is anybody interested in that i got like twenty five messages because like people want aj lee stuff now and they've and topps mentioned that they she's gonna be in chrome so like there's gonna be a lot of stuff that i think they're gonna build around her from a card perspective i'm excited to see how her cards perform yeah i think i think the right decision is putting becky over here again unless aj is gonna stay around full time but i think you know mania they probably put the belt on her give her her champions entrance at mania big you know big to do about it but i think at the end of the day i see i think becky comes away with the title as she's more of a full time performer and i think it makes sense from a booking decision yeah agreed so let's go into some card market high spots here huge news that came out last week and it was kind of done a little under the radar because you know blowout posted some information on their website that you know here are the inserts that are part of tops chrome and as part of that it leaked that there were debut patches that we've seen being worn on tv they previewed them at last year's in the industry conference so we knew these were coming we just didn't know what set they're gonna be in chrome and there's gonna be some really big names here and you know i'm curious like when you see the when you saw the you were at the industry conference last year i i remember yeah when you saw the design for these cars like what was your sort of thought process having been so involved in the other major sports where maybe some of us aren't like in the in the prestige of the debut patch in mlb and other sports like when you saw this originally what was your reaction i mean i love it man i mean i think it's one of the really the things that fanatics has done really well is bringing collectors closer to the game and closer to these monster events whether it's you know ohtani's fifty fifty game a big time baseball player making their debut or here now you have it we we we've all been anticipating the wrestlemania patches from last year that we're expecting to come in royalty but then now to also have the debut patches in wwe it's just another i think awesome opportunity to really raise the bar in collecting in the wrestling card market and i mean if you look at the list i mean just i mean some are actually the hottest female performers you know one of these things is not like the other in this list but but i mean i mean between vakur julia roxanne and solruka i mean that's four of the hottest female wrestlers on the market it's at least from a collecting basis that you could have so those are gonna be monster monster chases that i know a lot of guys are gonna probably be willing to shell out a lot of money to get their hands on those cards so it's a you know i was on the tops call last week because we are a tops dealer when they announced that that was coming out and that was that was a big surprise to the to the good side for me to say oh wow that's a that's a monster chase in that product that i was not expecting yeah and like chrome is already like just i mean you can't even believe the hype around this product just because it's chrome like it's it's a twenty it's the first twenty twenty six product people have been waiting forever to get something back at retail that's chrome stock they're looking to just dive in head first on this stuff every year i mean chrome's my set like i said this last week we were talking about the first day issue stuff like i mean this is this is awesome and then you add in like these debut patches which i think when they when they put them into update and the paul schemes goes and sells for a million dollars and you have you know caminero and you have cheerio and you have all these guys that are selling for humongous money like like the price of those boxes goes up even higher because people have the chance to pull these it's never like we've never had a relic like this available in wwe this now we know the wrestlemania patches are coming so i think that's at the same level of prestige but this has never happened in wwe where you have something like this offered in a pack and i am like waiting with bated breath to see how much the vicair and all of these other ones go for we saw the like i i when they wore them on raw i think it was like right after wrestlemania last year when roxanne perez and vicair and giulio they made that run-in like they're all gonna have these relics and like we saw we have the pictures of them wearing it just like we do for the baseball when they go on the mound or when they go into the batter's box and you can see the debut patch on their jersey like this could be a a serious serious card like i know you pulled the ringside stephanie vecaires one zero one gold vinyl and that was a crazy card what it will be so that was her rookie card this is her debut patch like i can only imagine what somebody's gonna pay for this card you know what's funny is you know out of our shop out of everything we've had hit and posted that post of that backcourt still has the most impressions of any post we've ever put up and we literally had people calling when i posted that we because we got it got shared so much we had people calling from all over the country trying to buy that car yeah people the guys were like somebody else is calling about that vacuole and we have people calling from california all over is it available but yeah no i mean it's you know the one thing about like wrestlemania patches right like you know vakur solruka you know they're kinda gonna wrestle in you know god willing six seven eight nine ten wrestlemania so there's gonna be maybe you know several years of wrestlemania patches it's like a logo man like someone's gonna have a logo man you know paul skeens will have three logo man this year three logo man next year da da da da da there's only one chance for a debut you know what i mean that that's it that's so you know it is such a finite run i mean there's there's one time you can make a debut and then it's no longer a debut so i think that really adds to the significance when you when you start going to the wrestlinger used memorabilia because we never really got that with panini you know everything was kinda yes correct event worn but not not like in the event worn in a pay per view or a rawl or a smackdown just kinda made it like a signing or whatever yeah they threw on a shirt or two and if they even did that you know what i mean that's that's a debate for another day but but you know what i'm saying so we've it's really cool you know we started kinda we see that first trend of that happen with universe and now seeing it kinda bleed into more products i think it's really cool how and and due to the different events that wwe is able to do and the spectacles they're able to make i think it just really adds to the chase and the thrill of collecting wrestling cards and gives us all something new to kinda go after yeah for sure and like i think what people aren't gonna real these are probably gonna be like the white glove redemptions in the car in the packs they're not gonna put the debut patches in packs they're gonna put the white glove redemptions in it which means you will get to have this card delivered to you you know pack without being in a pack without being beat up and put in through the packing out process so like that's really cool but i think like you know i've i've heard a lot of people sort of saying like oh well you know i'm never gonna have a shot at this but they they're literally putting it in one of what was designed to be one of the lowest cost products of the year it's not in royalty so this isn't gonna be a thousand dollars a shot where you only get six or seven cards these are gonna be in regular chrome boxes like they did in update for baseball like they will do in tops chrome football all of the other stuff that i think really this program represents is is the pinnacle of what fanatics was trying to achieve when creating these relationships right it's like hey we have this access we can get wwe to put a wrestlemania patch on on their gear or on whatever and we can get them when they're about to debut because sometimes this happens within a week right it's like that's true one week one week they're not there and the next week they are like we have to have a relationship with wwe to be able to communicate this needs to happen for every person that's debuting on the main roster and so far i think they've had i wanna say like eight or nine of them i think there's only a few of them in this particular product so i think we'll have to wait a while for some of the other ones i think fraser and acxiom and obafemi and others they've they've worn them but i don't think they're gonna be in chrome or they we haven't seen a checklist completed yet so we'll have to see how this all plays out over the course of the next few years but i would guess that this is gonna be a feature going forward of chrome and i think it's gonna be a humongous chase i would guess we're looking at mid five figures for vicair mid five figures for roxanne perez and julia i mean like these guys solruca is gonna be up there too like huge huge chase even jc mateo who let's be honest hasn't really landed the way these others have with his mft's like i think that's probably a lower card but it's still gonna be crazy expensive just because it's a debut patch they've they've built the legacy here i mean imagine in twenty twenty tops chrome there's a rhea ripley debut patch and what would that car be worth today maybe six figures you know no i i definitely think it would be six figure card i i mean her super factor hasn't sold in a very long time yeah and it was just a different rhea ripley but yeah there wasn't anything really connected to these guys back then and i said about the wrestlemania patches like john cena's wrestlemania patch represents a record breaking moment gonna be awesome yeah jay uso's wrestlemania patch first title he's won individually you know world title like you have major things happening in a wrestlemania you also have major things tied to these debuts so to your point like hopefully julia comes back and and you know has a number of wrestlemanias and roxanne perez looks like she's on her way to being a really cool part of the roster like hopefully they do a lot with with wwe in in those patches but these debuts are one time only and you're right i think they're gonna be huge chases i i think that scene i think that just touching real quick i think that cena card could break the record for highest wrestling card ever sold i i i wanna see what happens and i've seen we've now seen the completed cards like they've tops previewed those cards they they've chose a very simplified elegant design which only speaks further to the value of these cards they look like exquisite cards they look like all these i mean it's just they did a really good job yeah yep absolutely let's the sena sets finally shipped i got mine yesterday nice not the best results but you know i think like they made a lot of these sets and they were right they were not meant to be hit chasing sets but i bought one because they were a hundred bucks and why not and i think the cards look pretty cool the event use gear is a really big part of this if you're lucky enough to pull one of the relic cards that has pieces of the towel pieces of his shirt wristband sock i think as well like they really ramped up those those relics to be a major focal point of this set but at the individual cards like they commemorate the every stage of john cena's career they they get a full set in every every box that was cool and then you get i think three number parallels in an autograph or a relic or nothing and i got ended up with nothing sadly yeah it's a store of my life store of my life with topsnow you know yeah exactly it's basically that's that's basically what it is it's it feels like a topsnow type of release i know they did this with the fifty fifty for shohei ohtani yep there were a couple of things that they've done this with where it was just kinda like a specific set tied to a moment and this is really cool i mean it was it was like a cheap set it's cool it's like the cards look great so nothing much to complain about have you had a chance to see any of them like did you see any i've seen some breaks online just kind of results that people posted i mean again it's i did not get any myself but i can understand and for a hundred bucks you know people spend more on worse and it's a it's a it's a chance to get a cool scene and it felt like i think as sina's career was coming to an end it definitely felt like his market got a pop in it people were kinda realized oh you know wow look looking back at that career he gave us a lot and kinda gave people a chance to really realize what he had meant to the industry so you know definitely seems like his his high end market is super healthy i mean see some monster sales from him over the past couple months again just another indication of how limited the wwe market is and you know only takes a couple true you know couple true collectors for cena and just a couple high end collectors that wanna add a nice cena to their collection and liquidity just gets sucked out of the market so and people hold thing like people just hold and they hold and they hold in wrestling so a lot of this stuff gets posted once and it's never posted again that's right that's right so so i think like i would like to see more of this honestly i know they did the the victor wenbanyama product that really kinda like wasn't licensed did this and that and the other thing we get it but i wanna see like more cool things like this that they could highlight a specific star i would like to have a wrestlemania focused one where you maybe go through years of wrestlemania and whatever box you open you either get wrestlemania one through forty one or forty two or whatever it is and that would just be really cool like do more stuff like this online exclusive stuff that's really cool one per account didn't sell out fast everybody got their shot at it it was really good i think that that part of it was cool i think the rip is is a little bit i probably should kept it sealed just because it's one of those things that i think will will people will want long term just because of what sina represented absolutely absolutely yeah a guy like john sina will be collected forever yeah for sure mhmm i wanna cover some big sales real fast yeah because wow the one i'm showing on the screen right now if you're following along with us on patreon is a box a hobby box of twenty fifteen topps chrome wwe so this is the second year that they made topps chrome sold at auction best offer on ebay for five thousand dollars so this is like how much is a case of flawless right now like ten grand so like about ten grand yeah yeah box you this this is the same price as a box of flawless yeah and like for those who are unfamiliar with what chrome did back in the the middle twenty tens they brought it back for the first time in twenty fourteen only produced about two hundred and fifty cases so not much brought it back in twenty fifteen with all of the women so alexa bliss has her rookie cards you have hulk hogan you have ric flair you have all these different people roman reigns has autographs in this and stuff like that but it's still a very small run and almost all of these boxes have been purchased and ripped i'm shocked that there's even a sealed one still out there i can only imagine what a case would go for i know our our mutual friend ben used to chase down these boxes absolutely like he was like a a a ground one of those truffle pigs that tries to find all the gems in the forest like that's what he was he was going and calling people and like trying to find box in twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen and i think at the time we thought he was crazy for paying twelve fifty a box this one just sold for five thousand dollars it's crazy i mean wax you know wax is one of those things that very rarely goes down because just the the supply only goes one way you know it it just shrinks you know and then you get to these diamond in the roughs you know and two i think twenty fifteen also i think that's the i don't think hogan signed in twenty fourteen but he signed in twenty fifteen so that's a pretty big auto you got the roman reigns autos you got i think you highlighted several i think especially female rookie cards yeah yeah charlotte's in there so yeah special set you know the goal you know i think one thing also in the market is anything where you can find rare gold like gold refractors gold prisms anything gold continues to be a home run-in the hobby across any any sport any platform so i think you just see kind of a submerging or or emerging of all these things into one and lack of supply and someone probably you know i doubt someone's gonna rip it at five grand they probably wanted to add that box to their collection so it probably won't be ripped i wouldn't think unless someone's gonna do a crazy wrestlemania break or something i have no idea you know but it's just it's cool just to see one too it's still out in the wild so it gives you hope you never know what you might find yeah and there are super fractures i think a lot of them have been pulled i've seen the roman reigns yeah i've seen the bliss the hogan i haven't seen the hogan super fracture i think it i haven't either i can't remember but i mean like there's still cards in here that you pull a superfractor grade it sell it i mean these are huge cards i mean when when the when the when hogan died i think a gold refractor auto sold it was an enormous price yeah and like i remember back in the run up to to twenty twenty two like the roman reigns cards were selling what like five thousand dollars or something so yeah that would pay for a box back then i don't know if it still would now think it's come down a little bit but man like is a really cool set it's a really well designed chrome set i think twenty fourteen had very few parallels just the golds and the refractors and the retail stuff plus the supers this has a lot more it does and i think more of a traditional type of chrome run so i i can see why somebody would want it but i mean for those who maybe don't have the experience of like the sealed collections because that's a bigger deal probably in the major sports less so in in wwe just because the products haven't you know ex like gone up in the in the older stuff the way that it has in baseball and football and basketball like do you see that being a future thing for wwe like do you think people are really gonna start holding on to cases of flawless and prism and stuff like you and ryan and everybody have sort of been preaching for a while i i think so i think you know i know guys that probably aren't as public with it that are even big you know more mainstream collectors that have been holding back certain cases of wwe stuff again wwe has a rabid fan base i think as you get these more highly collected like chase cards i think it makes it that much more intriguing to hold back product because it's like hey like say when chrome comes out and you know we're a year in and the vakur debut still hasn't popped up anywhere you know yeah and and she's still a champion or she's still been you know at the top of the card you know it's gonna be like that thing like woah everyone's where's the vakkur and it's gonna make wax rise so people are gonna hold on to them more you know it's like until that card pops out and so i think we're gonna continue as tops tops has been really good at creating these chases these kinda willy wonka golden ticket chases mhmm and i so i see think when you have that those are the key ingredients for okay if this card hasn't surfaced publicly that's gonna make this product get really high because everyone's gonna be wondering where is that card it's gotta be locked in a box because in the age of social media clicks likes reels how how can we get maximum exposure it's like the the stephen curry super factor from two thousand nine like everybody's looking for that card yep the buka doncans black we're both going to the same cards so so we're still you know if those cards had been hit unless some kid hit it somewhere and didn't realize what they had and ended up in some weird somewhere you know you gotta think it's out there somewhere so yeah so i think as we continue to get you know again when royalty comes out and that john cena wrestlemania patch hasn't surfaced you know you know those boxes are gonna gonna continue to go up you know so yeah i think i think we're gonna continue to see that and and for wwe i think when you and especially when you see sales like this it's gonna make people start thinking hey if i take this five hundred dollar chromebox and none of those big debuts get hit for a while what could it be could it be a thousand could it be twelve hundred you know knowing that there's all these five five potentially you know depending on what vakkur and solrupka i think those are your two biggest probably potential cards in those long term you know those don't surface what could those be down the line yeah and because it's a larger run it's like yeah there's no guarantee that you know filth bomb is gonna hit eight of them on one day but correct like it's it's like i think there's there's a significant chance because wwe is ripped by so many random people on random forums and everything like that that maybe it gets hit and doesn't get posted and people are starting to chase that yeah speaking of john cena's high end cards that have sold recently this one kinda caught me by surprise so his twenty twenty two select ringside black and gold this is the one of one retail parallel sold for thirty three hundred and sixty dollars in a mid nine p s a on ebay i i his black ringside i remember sold pretty early on in the run i have not seen it come back since that point this is probably one of the last times to get your your shot at a twenty twenty two ringside select john cena with probably one of if not the best photographs they've ever used and this whole set is great photos like steve did an amazing job with these pictures not steve from main event steve pellegrino from panini did a great job putting all of these photos onto there and he did and this one specifically called to a lot of people but recently so i thought this would go a little bit higher i think it's because it's the retail parallel and it's not the black finite that you know was retail for prism like people are kinda like i don't really know what this is but yeah i what a great looking card i think i think the biggest thing that hurts this because this was actually this was on fanatics weekly not ebay i was i was watching it and the roman was running at the same time and i think the roman only only did like twenty two hundred or something like that very very low and i just think it's the set i don't think people i think people are like what is this kinda thing you know people love a true black people love a true gold i don't think they like them when they intermesh you know even in like when you look at like prism basketball they do a black they do a black gold to five and they do a true gold to ten yeah true gold to ten will usually outsell the black gold to five yes a hundred percent i think that's that's one of the things that's confused wrestling collectors for a very very long time over since panini started their run is why do the true golds outsell everything else yeah it's because of it's exactly what you just explained yeah and so but i do love the image on this card i do think it's one of john cena's cooler images and definitely in select but yeah i i was really surprised that that and the roman didn't get closer to like maybe five yeah five is where you know what i mean yeah sometimes it can just be who's watching it on what particular day and you know sometimes someone sleep sleep through slipped through the crack so despite of the one roman image the roman image they use on the ringside just wasn't it for me i was really disappointed with that i think that probably drew down the price quite a bit i think his prism image is similar in twenty twenty two i think it really took twenty twenty three and twenty four for him to get like that true sort of roman aura that goes on all of his cards that with the two belts on the twenty three prism and the twenty four with the one i mean that's probably the best card that roman has has had so i think maybe that's a reason why that one didn't sell very high but it it's still a one zero one select john cena card i'd like granted like like you said that not many people are are gonna know what this is or that it's a retail prism but i think it's a it's a cool cool example to have if you're a a senior collector i probably wonder if the big senior collector got this one yeah this one i wanted to cover as well because it's a trans technician trans oh my god trans tactician's case hit from cactus jack stephanie vicair genmint ten sold on ebay for nineteen hundred and fifty three dollars i don't know if people recognize how insanely hard these cards were to pull and they were i mean they they extended the print run for cactus jack pretty significantly so i think probably they were originally gonna be much easier to pull but because the run got extended so far they didn't get that you know case by case sort of you know sort of implications here this is a gigantic price for a case hit gem mid ten regardless people are sort of speculating hey maybe these go some of the ways that we've seen some of the panini case hits go but i was not expecting this to go for nineteen hundred dollars yeah yeah i mean it's a it's a good looking card good image my concern with cactus jack cards is especially since it seems like travis scott and w w and wwe have had it falling out what is the longevity you know typically when i look at things like you look at like the kabooms the downtowns kinda the way of the panini queset it's that legacy right a legacy was built year after year we collect so i just worry that these may eventually fizzle out because of just the lack of year after year production and so peep they're they don't stay on the forefront of people's mind but probably i i imagine in the psa ten pop has gotta be extremely low extremely i don't know what the gem rate is on these either i'm sure a lot of people have sent them in for grading i i didn't check the gem rate but yeah i would guess there's not many of them yep yep so just one of the big cards from top universe i mean we like there really hasn't been a ton of big sales i know you and i probably have the top two right now with becky and roman but yep this one seth rollins the triple relics foil fracture event used with just a crazy relic sixteen hundred seventy five dollars via dc sports eighty seven so this was an auction i did check and it looks like it did go to a a legit bidder and either way like this is a relic card kind of a meh image for seth rollins not the greatest he kinda looks goofy he looks like a kid doll almost and it's weird but like this card the relics the event used relics here i think make the difference and this is what i was worried about i was like i didn't know if people were really gonna understand the importance of like having a a t shirt cut up that was worn on a show or something that was worn on the show that could be inserted into this card seeing that this went for sixteen hundred dollars without an autograph without a chrome super fracture it is a foil fracture but not this the chrome version like it's a pretty big price i think it's a huge price and i mean as as great as seth is he doesn't sell i would say in the upper echelon i'd say he's in that kind of that second third tier you know i think you know you if you got your hierarchy you know you got your romans and your ria and sina and like that kind of tier and he's probably in that tier below it not from what he's done in the ring he's great career just seems like he sells a little bit below what those other guys so i mean to pull over fifteen hundred bucks for just a relic car i think that's a that's a very healthy price yeah yeah absolutely last one and i i saw you show one off of that you own yeah is the oba and i've been i've been looking for one of these myself because it's it's such a great looking card this is the horizontal auto relic from flawless it's oba femi out of fifteen so it's the ruby variation sold fixed price so someone smashed bin on this probably very quickly after that segment last week twelve hundred fifty dollars i think it's a mid nine so it's a psa graded version of this which i think getting high grades in the thick cards really really difficult yep but what an absolutely monster sale for a card out of fifteen out of flawless man these cards are going absolutely crazy and i think obafemi has a number of of signatures from the the last from twenty twenty four he was one of those rookies that was featured prism all the way through every set he has autographs and and rookie cards and stuff like that but this particular one think is one of his best looking cards just because he's got the belt in his mouth and like all that other stuff it just looks awesome but i i know you have one too and like i i'm jealous of that but this card i think is is probably this was reposted today does it go it probably goes for more which is kinda odd i mean i think i think you know out of all that stuff in twenty twenty four i believe and i could be corrected but this might be his only on card auto that he has you know and then yeah and then you know you look at other people this was the all you know there was a lot of variation of patch autos in flawless and some wrestlers were in multiple sets i think this is the only set he's featured in with an autograph so only i think on card relo relic auto he has it's flawless it's an awesome image with him having the belt in his mouth so again this is just i think one of those perfect storms where yeah right guy right product right combination it's got everything going for it so you know again we take a look we talked about the debut patches earlier k what if this is two thousand fourteen flawless roman reigns and this is the only on car patch auto he has as a rookie now now oba has a long way to go to get to roman reigns but i think it just starts when you talk go back to talking about wwe prospecting those are type of the things you gotta start thinking about is like wow this is could you know you obviously have like the prism black and the prism true gold but right beside those you gotta have probably these flawless patch autos just because there's nothing really else on the market like yeah and like if you look so the one of one of this version sold in january of twenty twenty five for like thirty two hundred bucks which at the time was insane as in twenty eight hundred either way yeah so the like we haven't seen that card come up for sale again the relic is not like a laundry tag or a logo patch i think it's just another shirt relic but you know there are so many things here that you just said that i think a lot of people are probably wondering is like is this one version of flawless gonna be the card that i have to get for vecare for julia who only have the gem cards or for obafemi who has one autograph or for you name it like now roman wasn't on the checklist as an autograph becky wasn't on the checklist as an autograph charlotte flair was randy orton was like all these guys like these they maybe have a couple of cards unless they're sena punk hogan austin all those box hit guys like they had a ton of autographs but undertaker but even those have gone up like three four hex because people are starting to recognize there's only gonna be one flawless that and i i've i've said for a number of times like that situation by itself is just it's gonna be a value multiplier long term just because of the legacy that flawless is gonna leave behind and you and i both know what happens to sets once they're no longer made people get these drunk goggles on and they're like oh this is never coming again it's the best set ever like like i remember when two thousand nine two thousand ten exquisite basketball came out no one liked that shit now it's like now people look back at that product like it's the second coming and it's like because of curry and because of all lebron and jordan and the last license autographs that those guys had before lebron and curry came back to tops this recent year but like this could be a similar situation for wwe even though wwe isn't gonna have the gap in sort of player exclusives that i think it has in basketball and we're never gonna get to a point before anybody fries me in the comments i know basketball and wrestling are never gonna be on the same level that's not gonna happen but comparatively if you're trying to find like an analogy to talk about how wrestling collectors will look at flawless versus some of the other things i think there's a chance for exactly what you were saying like this isn't one rookie card it's one on card autograph from his rookie year he's had other stuff he'll have a debut patch he'll have all this other stuff but maybe this is the one card that people chase absolutely absolutely and i i would i would guess that one zero one is with the market today would be a five figure card yeah probably and the the logo diamonds sold as well that sold for fifty one hundred dollars a little bit earlier yeah i i mean the logo diamonds are the chase i would say in in for for this set give or take there are some cards that maybe are a little bit different but like the roman reigns is still out there i know you're looking for it trust me i know buddy unless someone's got it hidden unless someone's got it hidden someone's not not telling us i did we've we've talked about it a lot but like yeah you you you look at those types of cards and it's just it's hard to imagine what what would have happened if you know stone cold steve austin had a like a nineteen ninety eight auto relic in the style of like a contender's rookie ticket autograph the way brady does like yeah what would that have been like now we have the flir autograph we have some of this but it's not the same sort of legacy brands that a contender's is back in the day or even somebody like you know if you go back with alexa bliss she has chrome autographs for her rookies but like they're so hard to find they're so few and far between wrestling collectors never sell that stuff yeah and they that's a huge card similar type of thing so maybe we start looking at okay for these rookies what does it look what is what does that sort of play into let's finish with our title match topic and sort of like talk about some of the things we we touched on earlier in the podcast of like hey you're a shop owner now what is like what are some of the things as a shop owner and you mentioned some of this like can't buy things for myself i gotta think about stock and stuff like that but if you had a viewpoint on like a specific hot topic that people tend to talk about in this hobby a lot what as a shop owner do you now have a different view on than maybe somebody does as a collector whether that's something like hey this thing happened one way when i was a collector and i reacted this way now that i'm a shop owner have a little bit different of a perspective what's one of those things for you that you think you could speak to quickly and i'm hopefully i'm not putting you on the spot here no no you're good i would say you know one of the big things and one of the hot topics in in probably the industry today is probably like wax prices and stuff like that you know i think a lot of a lot of the public because i see a lot of like the comment sections and stuff on on like fake groups and sometimes it's hard to not chime in but it's it's hard to have an intelligent discussion with someone in a three sentence comment on a comment section but you know all those prices you know people come in like oh i can't believe such and such is charging x and you know a lot of times it's just that's what the market is dictating you know what i mean and and you know ash after we get you know maybe an initial wave from tops you know you go back in the market and usually what i try to tell people is when we're charging people the most amount for a product that's when we're actually making the little the smallest of margin out of all you know what i mean oh interesting yeah yeah so like you think oh man you go into like your local hobby shop or something you're like man i can't believe wwe chrome is seven hundred dollars now it was three hundred dollars three months ago and that shop owner was probably making more at three hundred dollars than he is now at seven hundred dollars just with the dynamics of the market so you know it's just definitely interesting seeing from the different sides of the table but i understand the you know perception as a as a consumer walking in and you see some of these high product prices but that usually means they're good products you know and you wouldn't if the price wouldn't matter if you didn't want the product in the first place so there there's demand there for it and so but just understand those are just oftentimes it's not your lcs just trying to get over on you it's just kinda that's what they have to pay when they go back in to buy them in the secondary market so good perspective to have and then just you know just enjoy the hobby any way you can it doesn't always have to be ripping boxes in fact you know we have great customers that come in and all they do is buy singles they don't buy any any boxes so just try to find your niche and enjoy kind of do what makes the hobby enjoyable to you there's many different ways to do the hobby whether it's breaking or buying singles or ripping personal boxes but just find what works for you don't overextend yourself and just make sure the way you're doing the hobby is something that's sustainable for you and your lifestyle we see too many people that come in and get just they go in way too hard way too early and they get overextended and and then before they you know it they're here and they're gone or they started out in the shop and then they found like online or breaking and they spent way too much money in one month and breaks and stuff and then they're burnt out they're like oh this is not fun i'm spending too much money and so just be smart about what you're doing and that's what we try to do at the shop is we really try to help guide collectors to a safe and healthy way to enjoy the hobby the last thing we wanna do is someone to come in and then really hit it hard for a month and then we don't see them anymore that's not what we're looking for we're looking to help educate people and that's really really what we wanna do and something we kinda try to focus on is is hobby education here is like making sure that we're creating lifetime collectors both young and old and someone people that can really enjoy the space and and the hobby and each other in the community and grow within it i well said i think that's that's a great way of sort of looking at it and you know i think like for most shop owners like they they have to have the passion to open the doors because it's a like we i hate when people say oh it's a grind but it it's a grind like it's a job right like yeah this is your personal income and this is how you feed your family but you're not choosing this shop unless you really enjoy what you're doing and i obviously like you've had enormous success in your area because you do invest so much in the community and the children and everything you've done with rip night and fanatics fest and everything like that so i mean clearly it's worked out for you but i i still think like it it's important to go out and be a part of this community too and i think shops like yours which have been opened by long time collectors and participants or even new collectors who have really found their their life's calling in a short period of time like go out and see those shops and see what it's like in those areas because yeah i think the the online community can be a challenge i'll say and it can be very negative i think social sentiment for any company is always gonna be below fifty percent but i think it's even more so in collectible industries because it's so much about the money when you go into these shops and you see people sort of digging through bargain bins or they're just having conversations or just doing things and seeing a shop owner that facilitates that is so important to understanding the lifeblood of this hobby it's not all card ladder it's not all ebay it's not all fanatics options it is everybody who just loves to come in and just be a part of that community and i think like you don't really get to see that if you don't have a shop near you or you don't have the ability to get out and be a part of that so i think that's a really really good point i think the the wax price thing is always gonna be debate there's no one is ever gonna end this battle because there's always gonna be wage income gaps that prevent people from ripping as much as they want and ryan and i have talked about this a lot on the podcast is like hey if this was a hundred dollars a box we wouldn't be doing this podcast we'd be robbery a box yeah like because that's that's that's like it is it's just too much demand and not enough supply right now and to your point like you price based on replacement costs like gotta go out and replace product that you sell and if you can't replace it for you know for three hundred bucks four hundred bucks whatever it is you gotta price it at what you paid for it plus the margins so you can make some money as part of your business model like that's a that's a huge gap in knowledge that i think a lot of collectors struggle with yeah absolutely yeah and i i think you know i know we're pressed for time but just going up against what you said really sitting around the shop digging through boxes talking about the game last night talking about raw last night that is the stickiness of the hobby i mean that is where people it's it's kinda like their getaway from their normal life you know it's it's like one of the big things around here is like we wanna we want that barbershop feel you know whether you're spending a dollar five dollars or if you just wanna come in and chalk that's fine too and one thing i always press on on my guys because we live in a beach area so we get a lot of tourism and stuff like that is like you never know when it's gonna be that person's only time ever to come into that the shop so you always gotta treat it like everybody coming in this is our one chance to make an impression of them and if this is the only time they ever get to come into a shop we want them to leave wanting to come back again so that is our biggest kind of mission as we kinda start each day and we interact with customers is just make this time a special time for them because for some people this is their kinda getaway from the day to day stressors of life absolutely and like we've had we've had chad on ryan's obviously cohost now jamison like there's a reason why these guys are the successful people andy in indianapolis and like everybody who runs these really high profile shops even to the point where like hey we're we're the people that topps goes to when they need feedback on specific things and how it's going in the market because they usually take the stance that jamieson just explained which is we wanna make this a community we wanna make this a wonderful experience for no matter who comes in our shop even if it's a kid with his two dollar allowance or whatever i don't think they give two dollar allowance when i was when i was a kid but you know i give my like i give my son ten bucks to go buy a pokemon pack like i think jameson as a shop owner recognizes the importance of what that customer means versus somebody who's coming in and buying a steph curry logo man that's sitting in his you know high end case you know yeah like those are the types of situations where if you're running a shop right now and you're not excited to have customers walk through your door and and really engage with them about the way that they collect i think that that's probably something that happened a lot more in the you know the the early two thousands late nineteen nineties where the the curmudgeon shop owners don't want it to help their customers now it's a very engaging experience and like every time i go to my local shop at three stars or anything like that like they're the same way very much trying to improve the experience for every collector and that's why i think the local card shop is such an important part of this and why i've had so many of them on this podcast already in only twelve episodes is because they really are the front lines of the industry and they get a lot of feedback that we don't get as much as online sort of participants right yep absolutely absolutely so just before we close this out i have to ask wrestlemania forty two we're gonna put you on the record who's winning the top the the drew or not drew it's not drew anymore it's cody and cody and and randy and and pumpkin and roman who who are your picks for those two matches here let's get you on the record here i mean i think i think i think we see two new champs i think it's time for a new day i think randy i think it's his time to get to fifteen i think that gives them a lot of storylines and inches them one step closer to flair and to cena so i think you got a lot at play there and i think it's just i think i think it's due for him and man it's been two years since the tribal chiefs have been champion man i mean it's it's it's time i mean i think you know i think with roman it's a true case and the bloodline you know i know everybody was kinda fatigued near the end but i think the absence of it actually helps you realize how special that time was yes when you go back and and i'll do it sometimes like a like a fan nerd but go back and just some of those entrances just with the bloodline coming out every every championship in their hand you know just the aura sami zayn dancing you know i mean it was just set samantha irvin with the i mean it was just like you can't you can't capture that in a bottle i mean it was just a time that it was just like a magical run and so i think i think and and again i don't think i think if roman gets the belt back i don't think it'll be a long you know like it might be something where he holds it to summerslam or something like that i don't think it'll be like a year long run but i think the wwe needs another run with the tribal chief on top so i'm going randy night one i'm going roman night two unless there's some weird swerve that happens but i hope there's not i i have to agree i think i think just for the sake of of the the story going forward it makes sense to to switch the titles i think punk probably wants to take some time off i'm sure that cody maybe goes for i don't like i think we're talking i i can't remember if you mentioned that earlier on but the double turn like maybe that's something that that happens but i don't know man like i think there's there's a lot of reason why the wwe is in a spot now where they can support a part time champion like roman reigns a lot better and they're building architecture to put in storylines when he's not at raw i think i think it'll work it's not gonna be long term i think you're right he's kind of getting to the tail end of his career where his appearances will probably get more and more sporadic but appreciate it and acknowledge your tribal chief while you have jamieson why don't you tell them where they can find your shop and where they can find you on social media and make sure that they they have all of your information because i think you're you're one of the if they haven't seen your collection yet they they should go and take a look at it but the new shop is gorgeous i hope people get a chance to go and see it i wanna go see it one day i'm still trying to find a time to get down your way but tell them where they can find you yeah we're we're our name pretty much on every social platform which is port city sports collectibles we also have a website port city sports collectibles dot com so check us out and then a lot of my personal collection stuff i do under the instagram name exquisite sports collectibles so if you wanna see more of my kinda personal collection a lot of stuff goes there and then the shop events and stuff we got going on is under the shop name but yeah man just thanks for having us on really enjoyed the conversation and yeah we definitely gotta get you down here soon yeah i know i i really gotta see it it looks so cool and i think like if you are looking for for somebody who who has done everything that there is to do in this hobby jameson's a good person to talk to and he's very approachable so i think like from from that perspective thank you so much for coming on and and filling ryan's shoes for a week hopefully we'll have you back pretty soon i know once the the tribal chief wholly takes his spot atop the wwe roster again maybe we can get a quick reaction from you but thanks again for taking time away from the shop and and joining us on the podcast my pleasure adam anytime bud awesome so don't forget to subscribe to the stacking slabs patreon group w w w dot patreon dot com slash stacking slabs or follow me on twitter at sc uncensored or at on instagram at w w e gellman my patreon group is main event wrestling cards w w w dot patreon dot com slash main event wrestling cards and of course r b i crew seven dot com for all of ryan's shop as well thanks again everyone we will be back next week and can't wait to to do that see you guys next week alright