What's up, everybody? Auction talk. Lots going on. Nic had a big week.

We were going to I don't know. Nic, maybe you wanna start there, like, talk about we were just talking about the, like, numbers, and maybe you don't you can decide whether you wanna get fully baked into it now or just wait until later.

But I commented as we were getting ready to hit record. I was like, man, there's like you got a lot going on. There's a there's a lot of cards that just ended, a lot of cards that are ending this week.

Busy for you. Busy week, man. We just had our our biggest weekly auction ever in terms of dollar sales. We'll we'll talk about the details on that later.

But then this Thursday, we have the most cards ever we've had in premier auction ending, which is 24 cards. So a lot going on this week, will be a big week overall and, a nice way to close out the quarter.

I've got some questions that I wanna start with, on the consignment front. But maybe, like, help us understand, like, that's a ton of cards in this premier auction. Like, how many total cards are there in that auction?

Well, there's actually a a ton of cards in this auction. They're they're opened they opened with, like, 233, I think. I haven't looked to see how many got flashed in. It's probably over 250 total now, I would guess, which is huge.

It's usually, like, hundred to a 50, usually, like, somewhere in that range. So it's a very deep auction, and there's so many different type of cards, man. Like, it's kinda headline by that Paul Skeens MLB package.

Kinda? I don't know if you've seen it yet or not. But, you know, that's kinda still the show in the marketing and all that, but there's, like, a ton of cards from all different eras, all different price points.

I kinda talked about that last week. Like, there's there's something for everybody in this auction. Dude, I I mean, this is like what you expect with the Skins card right here, but you wanna talk about Hobby Juice.

Like, I caught a video on the reels or something of, you know, Michael Rubin at one of the shows. And, you know, Art talking about the card knowing that it's up for auction. He's like, yeah. Yeah. It'll be a million dollars like this.

And I'm like, that that's that's where that's this is the world we're living in right now where, you know, you're the the CEO of freaking fanatics is making commentary on auctions that are about ready to go.

But what what do you we I don't know if we've talked. What do you think the card sells for?

Well, honestly, I I don't know if I said it on here or if it was just in conversation, but I thought it was gonna do in, like, the $3. 50 to 400 range. Well, it's already at 550,000 before the been that way for a long time.

Is it still that? For a while. Yeah. This morning, it was. So that's with the BP is, like, what, almost $700,000. So, I mean, it always, it's always weird when it when a card like that gets bid up that quick.

It makes you wonder, like, okay. Maybe these guys are bidding early, and it's not gonna do much more and extend it. But, yeah, it's flirting with a million.

It's it's went a lot higher than I thought it would coming into this auction. So, you know, I did some research for a a Patreon episode I dropped last week on the discard and game used and the whole topic.

And the interesting thing for me and I get, like, the the Paul Skeens of it all, and we talked a ton about Skeens. But in the auction too, there's Jackson Holiday card.

And the last time I looked, the MLB debut, if we had the $5. 50 for the Paul Skeens and the Jackson Holiday was sitting. I didn't look, and I didn't know we were gonna talk about this, but this is the part of the show that's fun.

But last time I looked at Jackson Holiday, it was like 50 k. And it's like, how may how is Jackson Holiday fifty k and Paul Skeens at 550,000? And I know it's, like, not the end result, but to me, that gap just seemed insane.

Yeah. It seems like there's a lot more value in the, in the Jackson Holiday. I mean, like, a year and a half ago, like, before he got called up to the pros, Jackson Holiday was, like, the prospect.

Like Yes. He was the guy. So it's crazy that, like, he came in and didn't blow it away, you know, in his MLB, his first season in the majors. And I think he went back down to the minors and then came back up if I'm not mistaken.

So it wasn't, like, the ideal call up, but the dude is is he even 21 yet? Like, I think he's still 20, if I'm not mistaken. So, give the kids some time, but, that gap seems huge.

Yes. I I wanna I wanna thank all the, great listeners of, auction talk and just stacking slabs in general. Whenever there's, like, big hobby news, I always get the DMs, like, direct messages about, like, link sharing it, and it's great.

Like, you're all curating, like, the hobby mainstream for me so I don't have to go, like, pay attention at that detail.

But what as we're talking about this, one of the stories that kinda stuck in my mind, and I feel like we got again, this is off the script, but we gotta talk about it because you've been theorizing about it.

It sounds like when, Topps takes over the license for NFL and the NBA, there's going to be the same type of debut patches for those respective sports.

And we've talked about how there's not game we've been in this gap right now, especially in football with, like, Mahomes, like, no game worn stuff.

Did what like, when you I'm assuming you caught wind of that as well, and I think we probably knew it was happening, but I don't know.

Like, have you been thinking about that at all since that news has been unveiled that, like, this is going to be a thing in other sports? So I've not seen that news, which Okay. I'm breaking it for you.

Breaking news for me, it makes me very happy because that means I'm doing a good job of of disconnecting, which is a priority of mine. So I'm I'm glad that you're breaking that to me now, and I didn't already know that.

But not surprising. It just makes complete sense, especially when you see the success of these MLB debut patches and access that fanatics has to these jerseys, game use jerseys.

The thing I was thinking about before was, like, how are they gonna do it for the NFL? Because, like, a lot of these quarterbacks, you don't know when their debut is.

Do they just wear that patch on their jersey every single game until they actually get in the game? You know what I mean? Like, that one is an interesting one.

I saw, like, screenshots of I don't know if they did it last year or if it was the year before, but there was some sort of patch on the jerseys in the first game that I think would signify the it it's something similar.

And I should've I didn't know where to talk about this.

I should've looked deeper, but there was some there's something already in place that they're just going to put into cards. I mean, I'm getting pumped thinking about a Jaden Daniels, NFL debut patch auto. Like, dude, come on.

Like, I'm trying to think where I would rank that. Like, the the fact that it's just never been done before and it would be the first year of it, I theoretically, if you're saying they did it this last season I'm pretty sure.

And I think they get the license for this season, or is there one more season? So it's My brain breaks when I try to think about, like, that All the sports topic. I know. I know.

So if it was Jaden Daniels in the debut of the debut patch set, like, that to me, as a Jaden Daniels and Commanders fan and card fan, that that probably becomes his best card in my opinion, over what I would say the black prism one zero one black finite prism one zero one is right now.

So that's very interesting, but we could be wrong on that. We're not sure if it's gonna be that class or this coming in class right now, so we'll see.

But then guys like Mahomes who who has no Game worn shield autos. He has a Game worn patch part. I don't it's not an auto. It's from flawless. And, I think last time I saw and this was when it came out.

They they people were linking the patches to, like, the stripes on his pants. It wasn't even, like, a jersey patch. They kind of finagled that in there. So it's not even, like, quality. It's a really small patch window.

I think it's a dual patch, but it's, like, really small. So just just knowing he's gonna get quality game use patch auto cards is gonna blow the roof off the football card market, and then I think it's gonna improve the quality.

And and all the sports that Fanatics is touching is gonna improve the quality of the of the game worn patch cards for sure.

Excited for that all to unfold. I'm glad we I took us completely off track before we got get things going, but I wanted to hit I wanted to seek information from you up front because I think this would be fun.

You've been doing the worst sports cards ever since I've met you. Car the industry has changed quite a bit. Collectors have changed. How has your role changed since you started the business?

Like, different things you're thinking about working on, things you have to do now based on market conditions. Yeah. This is fun, man. It's it's coming up on five years since I started the War Sports Cards in April of twenty twenty.

So it's crazy that it's been that long, and it's more crazy how much things have changed in that five year span. I remember the reason I started consigning was because I felt like there was a lack of strong offerings out there.

There was essentially, there was more consignors than this, but it was Probstine and PWCC. They were both on eBay. I mean, you had Golden Auctions.

You had Heritage, but they were more niche in, like, big cards. Like, they just you just didn't sell those cards on eBay. So there wasn't much out there. And it used to just be like, you just you were you sold cards.

Like, people sent you cards and you sold them, and then you paid them at the end. Like, that was that was it. I was the first person at the time that started marketing my eBay consignments on Instagram. Like, Prosteam wasn't doing it.

PWCC didn't even have a Instagram account at that point. They did, but it was like they didn't even use it. It it's like not a thing for them, which is crazy that little me was the first person that thought like, hey.

I should I should put put these in front of people on social media. Now everybody like, it's that's like a minimum expectation now to be a consignor.

It's like, how are you gonna market these? How are you gonna get this in front of everybody everywhere? So the marketing like, now, like, you don't just sell cards.

You have to be a salesman first. Right? You have to sell your consignment service versus the 9,000 other consignment services and 70 other platforms. You have to be a great marketer, like like I just touched on.

Like, how are you going to help my cards get the most exposure to the most people? You're expected to be a card expert, which is wild when you think about how many cards there are.

And, like, jack of all trades is is a master of none. Right? Like, it's crazy that we're expected to know everything about every card. And then you're expected to be a storyteller, which kinda goes along with the marketing.

It's like, how are you gonna tell the right story about this card to the right peoples and so that they know where it is and and why it's an important card.

It's like, there's layers to it, and I just think of my business as, this is a solo business. I'm the only person in this business, and I wear, like, 90 other hats, but those are probably the ones that take up the most most time today.

The I have always, been very interested in just how our hobby, the businesses, big industry, enterprise level companies, how these companies market cards.

I've it's always been a fascination of mine mostly because, like, I'm a marketer, and I I wanna wanna know how, like, the the hobby thinks about putting cards in front of people and what do they do.

And I you know, you you mentioned, like, you you have to be you have to be a salesperson, but then you also like, there's a marketing component of it.

And I think there is this this fine line, Nic, you probably have to walk from people seeing your content, whether it's on Instagram stories or, hell, even this show and people thinking about, like, you you well, like, I'm glad you're you're you're giving me information, and then there's another contingent that it might be like, well, like, they're just pumping up this card.

Like, I your your job is to essentially serve the the needs and the wants of your clients, people who are sending you cards.

And so as a part of that, like, you're you wanna let as many people know on your platform about these cards being available because there's thousands of cards across dozens of platforms that sell each week.

And as we've been working together and having these conversations, like, the the volume of, like, really awesome cards coming through you hitting, you know, fanatics has only increased.

So I've always kind of admired the way you've you've approached, like, making sure people know that the card exists, one, but then, two, like, if there are a layer or two deeper that you can provide based on you trying to serve your clients' needs, you're gonna do that, and you do that through, you know, video, Instagram stories, that sort of thing.

But, like, has that changed in your mind about just, like, the approach you're taking around maximizing visibility and making sure the right stories are being tell told to the market?

Like, talk to me talk to us about just, like, how you think about that, like, balance. Yeah. For sure. That's a great question, and and it's definitely evolved.

I think about when I first started doing this and first started posting on social media, because nobody else was doing it, it all I had to do was post the card and the link to it. Like and and then it was like, oh, dude. This is genius.

Like, I can just click on this Instagram story and go back to the eBay link. And because nobody else was even doing that. So, like, the the barrier to entry in the the competition didn't exist. So it it could be super simple.

But what happens is people start to copy each other. They see what others what is working for other competitors, and they copy it with their own little twist. And now you have everybody doing the same thing.

So now as somebody that always wants to be different and stand out in a way that is productive for the people I serve, not just, like, self fulfilling. Right? This isn't just about me making as much money as I can.

Like, this is a business. So, yeah, I'm making money as a a goal, but, like, it's about serving the hobby in my clients in a way that they I don't think they can be served other other places.

Right? Because if we're all the same, why what why would they come to me over the other guys? So it evolved into, hey. Nobody's really diving that extra layer, deep on talking about what why is this card important? Why is it unique?

I I the first thing I noticed was, like, nobody's talking about the lack of sales history. They always talk about the last comp, the last sale, like, this sells for this, but they nobody was talking about no recent comps.

Like, I pretty much created that whole concept, like, a year and a half ago. So it's like and what I've noticed is a lot of people have started to take some of my marketing and put it into their own marketing.

So I'm literally in this process now of, like, okay. Some of what I do is becoming stale because everybody's trying to do it now.

So how how can I find missing links, to other people's marketing and mine included that is still beneficial to buyers and sellers, and and and things that they would want, that they would appreciate, and that that would, add value to their experience?

So it's evolved a lot, and a lot of it is based off of the competition. And this is why people say competition is good because it forces you to get better in areas.

Because if you don't, you will just lose your business to the other competition. Are there any misconceptions that, you get regularly from people who are working with you directly or maybe considering working with you?

Yeah. Well, so the one that I kinda touched on is, like, people people expect us to or to just know everything about every card.

And and, honestly, it's like, when I think about all of the cards that exist and all of the knowledge I have, I know very little about all all of the cards when you like, relatively speaking.

So it's it's it's a learning experience for me too. And I've said this before, like, that's also why I get a little more excited about cards I've never seen before that come in for consignment because I'm like, okay.

One, I'm gonna learn about this card, which means, two, I know I can educate other people about this card.

And then three, usually, like, strong sales results come from that because people get excited about learning new information about cars they didn't know about. So that's a common misconception.

And then the other is, like, you actually kind of set that up perfectly is, like, you know, you get accused of things pretty quickly when you start when your cards start to sell for more than other places.

And and pump you know, people have called me, like, a pumper or whatever. Thank you. Like, that means, like, you you said I'm the best pumper in the industry.

Well, thank you. That's kind of part of my job is to help my clients sell their cards for the most money, but I try to do it in a way that isn't that doesn't burn the buyers.

Right? Like, I'm I'm giving information that is valuable, not just a generic sales pitch that tricks you into buying something you don't want.

You know? I love it, dude. That makes so much sense. I I'm thinking back to our mailbag last week, and I'm thinking back maybe it was last week or the week before, but I remember, like, addressing a question.

It might have been Drake's and talking about, like, letting go of cards or something.

And I was talking about, like, how I try not to, like, have an emotional connection and, like, usually, I'm after something bigger or something I want more, so I just go do judgment day, let go of cards.

But I think, like, everyone reaches this point with their collections, which I feel like I'm kinda I'm I'm nearing that point.

I'm very actually, I'm I'm I am at that point where it's like, it just kinda sucks, like, trying to figure out what what stays and what goes. Little bit painful.

You know, you're you're getting to the I'm getting to the mode where it's like any, you know, car I'm getting rid of is a car that, like, I really appreciate, whether it's just the time I bought it, the car aesthetically itself, the its current value or potential.

So it's becoming more difficult, and asking this question is like, should I just hold this card, or should I let it go?

Maybe, like, I'm sure, like, you part of one of the hats you probably wear is you probably play the role of, like, therapists in a way where you're probably having to talk to clients on what what they should or shouldn't do.

It's kinda like a you go you go get your haircut, and that's like the stories that, like, you know, whoever's cutting your hair hears on a day to day basis are insane.

I'm just probably some of that comes your way. But, like, how do you how do you determine, like or advice you have for someone trying to determine, like, if they have a car that they should move or if they should just keep it held?

Like, how do you how do you talk to clients about that? I mean, I am a rip the band aid off kinda guy.

Like, I am like, well, if you're asking me if you should move it, you should Yeah. You should move it. Like, there there's your answer because it it and people don't even realize this when they're thinking about what they should move.

Like, they are they are, creating a new opportunity that they don't even know is gonna happen for them. Like, that's their mind went there for a reason on if I should sell this card or not.

Too many times, I think collectors get caught up in two things. They get caught up in, well, what am I gonna replace this with? I don't have something to replace this with yet, so why would I sell it?

And I think that is a lagging mindset because if if you're in the process of, man, I wonder if I should sell this, the reason I say sell it is because now you have all these funds for that opportunity that might come up the week the day after you sold all your cards, and now you're in a better buying position than you were had you still had the cards.

Now funding options kind of close that gap a little bit, but it's still probably always easier for you or more convenient for you to just have a lot of cash to throw at the card that comes up when it comes up whenever that is.

Two, the other thing is, well, it's if I hold this longer, it'll be worth more money. And and and most of the time, that's not the case. And because, like, the variable there is how long will it take for it to become worth more money.

Because, like, how many time how often do we see cards stay about the same value for years, years and years and years? Or how do we know that we're not at the top of a peak right now for this type of card?

How do we know that the next sale isn't gonna be lower? We're we're we're guessing at that point. So for me, it's always like, you know what the card is worth probably right now.

So you know you can get that now. You don't know what you can get for it tomorrow. You don't know what you can get for it three years from now. What if it's less? And then you're gonna play the same exact game.

Well, now it's worth less than it was. I should just keep waiting until it goes back up. And then you have a card for twenty five years that you wanted to sell twenty five years ago and just trigger.

So to me, it's like rip that Band Aid off. There's other opportunities that are gonna happen because of that and just roll with it.

The other opportunities is the is the everything. And, like, I'm I'm going through I'm I'm going through this a a little bit, and I'm going through it because someone's there's a market that's that's, you know, pretty strong right now.

A card I have, there's let's we'll just say there's more than 10 copies of this card. This card is a perfect grade. The card hasn't sold in a while.

And it's just like when you start, like, stacking all of the the trades together, it's like you look at the card, and when it's in your case and it looks so perfect and maybe slightly doesn't fit your collection, you're just like, you know what?

Like, I'm gonna hang on to this.

Like, it surely will go up. But I think the match maturity in being a collector is recognizing that there's something not quite, it's not quite right with that specific card in terms of, like, what satisfies you.

And instead of hoping for the card to go up in value, if the card is going to net you profit and you can go then put it into something you appreciate more, that the the decision to do it is is probably the right decision.

And so I've been having some of those battles recently, but that doesn't come by just, like, jumping back into the hobby.

It takes, like, five more years to just figure out, like, what actually works and having that power to actually let go.

I think that is a trait that is admirable that I don't know. I'm still looking to, you know, strengthen as I continue to do this. You're on mute. We don't we don't do that often. Only the second time I've ever done that.

So the other thing I think about is, like, you can probably get the card back at some point. Like, it might not be soon. It probably won't be soon if it's very rare, but maybe that's the opportunity.

Like, maybe it's the opportunity you're not thinking of is, like, you're gonna go in this you sell this card, you go in this different direction, and you realize maybe you don't like that direction or you're you're missing this card that you didn't have and it's it gives you a new chase.

Now you're chasing the old card. Like, there's always something to chase and add to your collection.

It's not like I sold that card and I regret it. Now my I can't collect anymore. I I'm done. It it just it killed it for me. Like, that doesn't happen. It just creates new and different opportunities.

Hopefully, some of that information was helpful for all of you. I always like to pick Nic's brain on the business front every now and again, and, I think that was, was fun. It was therapeutic for me. So so thank you, Nic.

Let's dive into some cards. Did you see this sale here? This is the Shea Gilders Alexander, prism gold PSA nine. This sold via Golden Auction for $85,000 this past week. What, like, first of all, like, what's your reaction to that sale?

We haven't talked much about Shane. He's, you know, could be a potential MVP, maybe finals MVP, maybe champion. Like, this is a big year for him. Yeah. There are a lot of maybes. All the Jokic fans are saying, hold the phone.

Let's just say there's probably about $40,000 worth of maybes in that sale price, is what I think. Because it is funny you say Jokic because that's right where I go to because that's who he's kinda battling out for MVP right now.

And, frankly, Jokic is having the best statistical season he's ever had. So he's, in my opinion, like, the the clear cut MVP.

But I get the Shay argument. It's fine. He'll probably get it because people aren't gonna give Jokic a fourth unless he has, like, a ridiculous season. He's the number one seed and all that good stuff.

But we haven't seen a Jokic gold prism rookie sell forever, forever. So a PSA nine of a Jokic rookie gold prism would have to be, like, $300,000 if this is what a Shay Gilgeous Alexander is worth.

Probably wouldn't shake out that way. Shay Shay's the new shiny toy. He's he's a guard. He's a little more exciting style of play for most people.

Like, I get all that. But it's just interesting that, it's not just about stats and what you've done that determines what what your cards are gonna sell for. It's much more than that, and that's what we see here.

So his the last sale of this card was a PSA 10, and there's three PSA tens, and it's sold 01/20/2023 for 36 k. So a year ago or no. Two years ago, you had a Jim Met copy sell for 36 k.

Now a nine is selling two years later for 85 k. And guess what, Nic? Golden has a PSA ten up for auction right now with twelve days left, and that card is at 49 k. So Yeah. That's huge. So Oh my gosh.

What what what's going on in your head with this card literally just sold for bananas prices, 85, and you've got a 10 in the holder coming up to mark like, when that's when that happens on that, that, like, trickle out, like, what what does that tell you about like, what does it like, how do we should we take on like that?

The fact that we haven't seen any for two years, and now here's a nine and here's a 10, and the nine just sold for an outrageous amount.

Like, what should we expect the 10 do, I guess? Yeah. Well, I bet it was the same person that owned both copies is my guess. They were probably trying to corner the market. It's probably why we haven't seen any sell for a couple years.

So they probably did this strategically. The nine is a jersey number copy, so they knew it would fetch a premium over a regular nine, so they sold it first because people might just say, oh, a PSA nine sold for 80,000.

So a PSA 10 is automatically worth at at least I didn't even I didn't even consider I didn't even recognize it was Jersey number.

So your theory is on point here. Yeah. So that did, that did carry this to 85. You know, it's still, like, even, like, my if I'm looking at this, I would say, okay.

The non Jersey number PSA9 then is probably 7060 5. Right? Just going off sale price purely. So some people might miss that it was a jersey number. They'll just see PSA nine.

They'll see 85,000, and they'll go off of that for the PSA 10. So it was smart strategy from a selling perspective if it is the same owner of both cards. This is just me theorizing, but this is what I've seen a million times.

It just makes sense. It otherwise, it's just a a heck of a coincidence that a PSA ten is just following this one up and actually live while this one ends. But I you know, it's a big risk.

It's a big swing. Like, I just wonder where it goes from here, like because you're pretty much banking on him winning, at least the MVP. But I would say MVP and championship are probably built into these prices right now.

Man okay. So shout out card ladder. I've got the, SGA index up. And it's a year we're looking at. Dude, these cards are up a 80% from the in the index. It's like I don't know. Like, I on the NBA side, it's just I I it's been a while.

Like, it's been a while since I've seen a player, like, with that rate of growth in the NBA side. So I think it's, like, first of all, like, that twenty eighteen, man. A box of 2018 prism. Yeah. It's a it's a good box of cards.

But it's it's I like, last year, dude, we not not even a year ago. We were it was like Anthony Edwards all day, every day. That's all we were talking about. I mean, you were selling Anthony Edwards cards for Buku Bucks.

Right. Right. And now we've got SGA cards just crazy. And it almost started with his black. When his black went, it was like, oh my god. I can't believe they're doing this. And ever since that, like, the market has just been bananas.

So when you see, like, he's up a 80% in this year, like, I don't know, man. Like, is is it just, like is that mean, like, to you like, is it going up too fast? Is it just right based on first team NBA last year?

Yeah. Even a bigger trajectory this year? Like, how do you read this? Yeah. It's it's interesting because it felt like we were at the same place with him last year at this point in terms of, like, number one seed, MVP favorite.

Like, Jokic was probably ahead of him at this point, but we're taking the next step of the theoretical leap for him.

Right? He has he he went one round further in the playoffs. Right? He didn't win MVP this year. So now this year, it's like, okay. He's taking his lumps. He's gonna go farther in the playoffs, and he's gonna win the MVP.

This is what people are assuming. But the Ant Man comparison was a was a great one. Like, what is he's what is his car's done since that playoff run last was that just last year? Seems like Last year.

Yeah. I think it was forever ago. His cars have come down quite a bit since then if I'm not mistaken. But, with with Shay, it's it's like, what happens if he doesn't win the title or the MVP, or or even if he only wins the MVP?

Because I think title is what carries the most weight. But why aren't we buying, Donovan Mitchell and Darius Garland and Evan Mosley, cards?

You know? Because the Cavs are, like, the team in the NBA right now with record, but nobody thinks they're gonna win the championship. Why does everybody think the Thunder are gonna win the championship?

The West is absolutely loaded. Like, the Warriors picked up Jimmy Butler. The Lakers picked up Luka. The Nuggets are still a threat. The Wolves tend to, beat up on the Thunder, here and there.

So we're we're making some big assumptions. How much of this and I it's like whenever you see a player hit a certain caliber, immediately, there's the, looking back on, Jordan and stats in early in the career.

And, dude, I'm already seeing, like, the post, like, the this SGA season with this Jordan season.

And last year, it was like face of the league with with Ant Man. It was like the Jordan's kid. And then now we're like, look at these numbers in comparison to one of Jordan's years.

Is it are we just in this, like because because LeBron's about ready to tire retire. We're we're just in this need of, like we need someone in the league who we can associate with Michael Jordan.

Is that is that what we're dealing with here? Dude, that's a great point because it's hard to fathom, having a league without a player to compare to the best of all time.

Right. And whether that's LeBron, Kobe, or MJ. Like, there's nobody that we can really compare to any of those guys right now. It's it's least as far as, like, production and style of play. But but it's just a different league.

Like, I mean, 50 games don't impress me. Like, how many dudes in the NBA have scored 50 points? Like, I'll give you one. Terrence Ross has scored 50 points multiple time. Like, where's he at right now?

It was like, there's so many dudes in the NBA that can score 50 points if given, like, the keys to do it. So it's just doesn't impress me anymore. But that's what people want. Right? That's what people want.

That's the it's the flashy scoring. It's the, you know, throw up 50, whenever you can type of stuff. And that's what gets the most attention. So that's why people went crazy for Ant, and I think it's a good point.

I think that's why people are going crazy for SGA. But, yeah, man, what's what's the NBA look like without a a clear cut guy to compare it to one of to to a goat? We haven't had that for decades.

No. We haven't. Well, as we move off of this topic, it's we're recording this on Saint Patty's Day. Where do you think the Thunder end up this year? What's your what's your what's your prediction? I don't think they make the finals.

It depends how it's all seeded out. I just don't think there's too many matchups out there that are not good matchups for them. In a playoff series, you gotta remember, like, NBA teams hold back their secrets until the playoffs.

Like, there's a reason SGA is going for 50 right now. Teams aren't throwing defenses at him that they're gonna throw at him in the playoffs. We're gonna he's gonna see stuff that he hasn't seen all regular season.

Now you hope that he's seen it before because he's been in the league long enough, and he's had playoff series that hopefully he's seen some of this stuff before and has been able to adapt.

I think that's what people are banking on. But, man, it's it's the NBA playoffs is a different beast, and there's there's probably five teams in the West that could legitimately go to the championship, and nobody would be surprised.

It's a crazy year. I'm sure we'll continue to see crazy SGA prices.

Before we move off a card ladder, dude, I was I went to their, indices, and I remember, like, not too long ago. I don't go here every day, but, like, all these were red and going down. But just well, take a look at this, dude.

Every green, man. Mostly green. And I don't know. I just wanted a spot like this spot like this because if if you got card ladder, go to the in in the indices tab, click it, and just see all the green.

And it's like, you know, we don't talk about Yu Gi Oh or Pokemon on here a lot, but Yu Gi Oh is at 38% increase. Pokemon's at 13.

I mean, but it's like soccer's five. Football's 4. 5. What when you see everything go up like this, obviously, within each of these in this like, indices, there's a lot of cards. So but that's the way it's structured in card ladder.

What what does this tell you about what's happening? Like, as a collector, how how do you absorb this sort of information? I would say, you know, it's generally, a, exciting thing to see.

Like, this is what we want to see. Mhmm. But I would always just kinda advise people to tread lightly when you see this type of stuff because markets don't always go up forever.

Like, they go up and down and up and down and up and down. So, the the sign to me is like, okay. The fact that so many things are going up, like, that just says that the the sentiment around the hobby is positive.

This whole concern about the economy doesn't seem to be impacting card prices at all, like so many theorize. But it also doesn't mean that it's gonna be this way forever. It doesn't mean it's gonna be this way next month.

So I my my advice is just don't read into it too much, but it's okay to be encouraged by seeing it. Dude, what what is it about the, periods of difficulty and the behavior of collectors and just spending more money on cars?

I did during COVID, it was like, you know, no one knew what was gonna happen the next day. We just were all we were all at home, and, you know, we were looking for sources of entertainment, so we we bought cards.

And just people went nuts buying cards even though we didn't know if what the economy was gonna do, like, how how bad this was, if we were gonna keep our jobs, and, like, people were just like, don't care.

Continue to spend money on cars and now. It's like I mean, I we were talking ahead of time. I gotta get a new fence, and I was looking at, you know you know, a couple accounts I have.

And I was like, I've been avoiding wanting to look at those accounts, but I need to get money out to get get this new fence. And it's just like, not a great place be to be in from a, economy perspective.

But then, like, economy bad, going down. Yeah. Look at look at charts like this Yeah. And all the categories going up. Like, why why is are we just insane creatures? So I was like, let's let's find cover and just put money in cars.

YOLO, baby. Like, if we could if you're going down, you go down doing what you wanna do, man. Yeah. Like, if I'm gonna lose my job and my money, I'd rather lose it, doing something I like doing. Right? That's a bad theory.

I'm just joking. But it honestly, it could be part of what's happening, honestly. Like, I think maybe we're a a little bit riskier generation than previous generations, and we're just thinking like, oh, yeah. Alright.

If if everything's gonna hit the fan, like, I don't want my money to just be sitting here or, like, I'm not gonna, like, you know, I wanna take some risks to, like, make sure it doesn't hit the fan, and maybe this is their risk.

Or it's more of, like, we're much more, I wanna say, like, selfish generation as well, and we're thinking of what do I wanna do?

Like, if if this is it, what do I wanna be doing? I wanna I like cards. I wanna spend my money on cards. That's what I'm gonna do. I'm not gonna put it in a shoe box.

I'm not gonna buy stocks that I don't care about. Like, this is just what it is for people. So I think, it it does have a lot to do with the makeup of the current people that buy cars, and and I think we're riskier.

I think we're a little more selfish than previous generations, and I think that plays into when things seem to be questionable in the economy, it it actually has the reverse impact on the sports car market, at least in the short term.

We we haven't seen how this plays out. We're not in a recession. We're not in a depression.

Like, what if we actually are in one of those things? Then what happens? You know? We we haven't seen that. So but it is interesting. This is a big topic. We are certainly different from our parents' generation.

Yeah. That's that's for certain. Just in terms of, like, the way I think about the way I wanna live my life and the way I wanna enjoy my life and where I wanna place bets and money.

And I think part of this is, like, we're we're in this it's the Internet, and it's data and all this information, and there's just all this myriad of options and opportunities.

By no means, like, don't come to auction talk and, like, look for financial advice. Like, we're not here to give you that. Understand. I just think there it's an interesting observation, to make when times are tough.

Seems like people love putting their money into sports cards, which is kind of fun. Yeah. Then it it is interesting, man. Hopefully, this all shakes out positively positively for all of us.

Yes. Okay. So let's talk about we've got the premier auction ending on Thursday. You said you have 24 cards. We talked about some of those cards last week. We're gonna hit on some others.

But I like to at least, like, as a creator and a fan of cards and what's happening, I like to whether it's this the premier FNAX Premier, Golden Elite, big auctions running on eBay through cons consignors, like, I like to go through those at least once or twice a week before they close just to see what's happening.

And I'm sure, like, I don't I would love to learn this about you because I don't think I've ever asked you this.

But Mhmm. I was having a conversation with a friend, and I made mention I knew they had a card up for auction. And I asked them, it's like, how many times a day have you checked the listing of the car to see where it's at?

And I know whenever I've got a big card, it's like every, like, moment where I'm like, what do I wanna do with my phone right now? It's like, oh, let's see if I got any bids.

So, dude, you're like you've got hundreds of cards, and then, you know, the this premier actually got, like, 24 cards. Like, before we get into it, like, how often do you, like, check-in on those cards and see how they're doing?

I try to be, intentional with it and conscious of not checking too often because it tends to give me more anxiety than it does for anyone else. But I have to because it it it really creates, my marketing plan for the week.

Right? Like, I'm I'm usually looking in there to see what cards are I feel like might be lagging and might need a little bit more attention versus what cards are.

These seem to have a I was gonna do some marketing on these, but they they already have a ton of attention, and the bids are already, like, pretty close to where it should end.

Like, maybe I can dial back on that and turn the dial up on this other card that that should have more attention.

So that's why I check often, but I don't I check way more on Saturday and Sunday because I know, like, that's when the action happens. Like, we had, that Mariano Rivera nineteen ninety nine Ruby Star Rubies, PSA eight.

Pop one none higher. Haven't seen a Rivera ninety nine Ruby sell for, like, eight years. It was sitting at a hundred dollars on Friday night. A hundred dollars. I knew it was, like, a 3 to $5,000 card, so I'm, like, freaking out.

But I also knew, like, it's gonna get going. And sure enough, Saturday, it's at a few hundred. Wake up Sunday, it's at 1,500. Get back from church, it's at 2,700. You know? Like, it just goes. So I should know by now.

Like, if I didn't have to do any marketing, I would try to I would try to check as little as possible and just, like, check maybe when it ope a couple days after it opens, maybe Friday because I feel like there's a lot of activity on the weekend and then check it again Sunday.

And, you know, it's it's it's fun to check just to see the activity, but there's a fine line because it will give you anxiety checking too much. Yeah. It will.

What's the most interesting thing for you right now with what's happening with the premier auction? Most interesting is probably that, for one, there's a lot of cards. Like we said before, there's, like, 250 plus cards, I think.

But, what's interesting for me personally is there's three different Barry Sanders cards and three different Emmitt Smith cards in the same auction. Now it's both, like, PMG reds of both of them, 98 PMGs of both of them.

Then there's a 96 select certified premium stock red, Emmett, and there is a 98 rubies 98 rubies of berries. So it's like two of the same cards of each of them and then a unique third card.

But, I mean, it wasn't long ago where it's like you were lucky to have a nineties football card, a single nineties football card in the premier auction. Now we're at a point where there's two players with three each in the same auction.

So it's it's come a long way in that segment. I love it. How about what card is exceeding your expectations? One that jumped out to me is the, that we're selling is the 2017 Topps chrome red refractor out of five, auto, Lionel Messi.

It's a PSA ten with a 10 auto. There, Brett just brought it up on for his Patreon group. So it's a dual 10 pop one.

It's bid to 27,000. This one got bid up pretty quick. It didn't get bid up to 27 right away, but, like, right away, it was at, like, 15, and it went to 20 pretty quick. And it's been at 27 for a few days now, if I'm not mistaken.

But this was a card. It it hasn't sold this exact card sold, back in November 2023. So it's been a year and a half since we've seen this card sell, and a lot has changed in the market a year and a half.

This is a sticker auto. So people's I feel like people's sentiment on sticker autos has changed quite a bit in the last year, especially since this this sale has happened.

But the set is extremely significant. It's the first tops chrome soccer set. It's a red refractor out of five. It's Lionel Messi. It's a PSA ten.

Like, there's a ton of things going for this card, but I I just wasn't sure if the sticker auto would hold it back much or if people are looking at the the 90 other things that this card has going for it, outside of the sticker auto.

And it looks like that is the case. So be interesting to see where this where this ends up, but, I I wasn't sure if it would hit the last sale or not is kinda where I was coming into this, and it looks like it's gonna blow past that.

So this set has become a it's an important set for me as a a creator just because it seems like every soccer set I ever soccer collector I talk to always references the set.

I guess I didn't realize that there was autos in this bunch too. Yeah. I just had never really seen them. I think you said five. The it's out of 10. My bad. I said 10. I'm used to the red refractor at a five.

Exactly. That's what off I just wanted to make sure it's clear, but it's like, dude, any any anything messy, it's just it I it seems like it's especially in sets like this, seems like their people are gonna come out for it.

And it's fun because the golds are out of 50. And so you're talking about a five x more five times more rare for the red.

Yeah. I mean, it's it's a huge card. What about cards that, are there cards that are flying under the radar in your opinion? I have three of them. I'll try to be quick. So, again, these are all ours. The $2,000 elite status at a 10.

Tom Brady BGS 8. 5. This is the number one out of 10 too. So the first, stamped copy. This is a ghost card, ma'am. We it's only bid right now to $9,250. One of these hasn't sold publicly since September of twenty twenty one.

So you're talking about three and a half years ago. And it was the Michigan so this he is in a Michigan uniform for those of you that can't see. It was a Michigan jersey number copy 10 out of 10, PSA nine, and it sold for $137,521.

I mean, you're talking about a comfortable 6 figure sale. The last time one of these sold, and this thing's sitting at $9,250. He only has three rookie cards that are serial numbered to 10.

Two of them are in Michigan uniform and then his, the absolute playoff honors is in a, I think it's a practice jersey and sweatpants, the classic, other, you know, version of Tom Brady rookie cards.

But then it's these out of tens are the most rare outside of this one on ones. So, like, there's nothing, you know, out of two, out of three, out of five, out of seven.

You know? It's out of one on one, and then out of 10 is the next rare rarest risky card of history you can I never noticed this about this card until now?

It's staring me in the face, but there is a nice little even though not nice because this is still makes my stomach turn when I see this logo, but little peach Patriots guy here down at the bottom right.

And I've noticed, like, it's it's amazing. The Michigan uniform thing doesn't like, it doesn't really matter for, like, the the Brady guys.

Yeah. Like, they they because they know so many so many of his best rookie cards are him in a Michigan uniform. So it's either like, oh, don't touch, like, his best rookie cards or, like, okay.

We're just gonna look past the Michigan thing because this card is sick. And I no disrespect to any of you Michigan fans out there. My, and congratulations guy. For those of you that don't know, Brent is a Notre Dame guy.

Notre Dame and Colts. So you can see my my where the the enemy lies here. My daughter we were watching the big ten championship, and my daughter was like, who are we cheering for, dad?

And I was like, she I go I my wife goes, the red team, which was Wisconsin or the gold team, but my daughter goes, the gold. And I said, we don't cheer for Michigan.

But, the point I was making with Brady, it's it's or gonna make is the fact that you've got this just group of Brady collectors. Like you mentioned, they don't really care, about the fact because his rookie inventory is so low.

But then if I were to rate and this is something I've been more interested in as I've interacted with more, but, like, the group of college collectors, like, undeniably, like, Michigan collectors are, like I would say, like, it's like a top five.

Like, collegiate collecting community.

Like, dude, I don't even try to follow all the Michigan collectors, but there are so many cool Michigan collectors who dedicate, like, their collection because they're an alum or, you know, whatever.

So that's another element of the Brady, market I think is interesting where you've gotten, you know, limited supply on the rookie front, but then the fact that he's wearing Michigan stuff.

And then but then you also have this group of collectors who are very strong from a collegiate perspective, and I've always I've always found that interesting.

That's a good point. I can think of three accounts right off the top of my head that are massive Michigan collections, like impressive Michigan collections collections.

So that's a good point because I can't think of any other schools just off the top of my head that have, you know, three accounts with massive collections.

So that's a that's a great call out. And I I just wanna, like, protect my position here and just so everyone knows.

By by no by no means am I by talking negatively about Michigan, am I supporting Ohio State? I wanna make sure that's crystal clear. Hate survival. Yeah. Yeah.

Yes. Yes. That's that's where I am. And if you're a fan of Michigan and you're a fan of Ohio State, there's a strong chance you don't like who I like either. So, we could just agree on that. I mean, this is why we love sports, man.

Yes. That's why we love it. What what other what other other under the radar cards? You said you had three. Yeah. Yeah. This one's really fun. It's the 02/2018 Topps '5 star. It's a MLB all star logo patch auto one zero one of Ichiro.

This is a game used, MLB all star logo patch. It's a huge patch. If you're in the Patreon group, you can see the card. Autos on card. I mean, this this is a sick card. It's only bid to $1,575.

And this is what I've this is one of the cards that just jumps in my mind when I was trying to tell you guys, like, there's something for everybody in this card and probably multiple cards that you can afford that you maybe couldn't usually afford in a premier auction.

So if you don't normally bid on the premier because you think it's like this higher values auction, like, jump in there.

I'm telling you there's probably something for you. But each row played in 10 all star games. So that means there's there's only a possibility that 10 of these type of cards could exist.

That's the possibility. Think about the logo NBA logo man side where if you just think about games played and how many jerseys with logos they played with, you're talking about thousands of logo mands potentially for some guys.

Maybe not maybe not thousands, but hundreds for sure.

Right? Because they only play in, like, 45 games a year now. Right? So, you know, multiply that by 10 and you're, like, about 500 logo mands potentially. And then you only end up with a handful of them or 10 or 15.

So, like, I've never seen another Ichiro all star logo patch that's game worn. So this as far as I know, this is the only one of its kind. And it's a each row game used logo patch auto. Like, just look it up.

You've probably never seen one period. So, this is a massive card in my opinion, and it's just chilling there at, like, you know, for a lot of these people buying in premier auction for for a few bucks, essentially.

There's there my prediction, there's a lot of, there's a lot of individuals sitting on the sideline on this one, and they're gonna wait to pounce at the end.

%. Because, dude, Ichiro's fan base and collector base is so genuine and so passionate, and this card is so unique.

Like, it's got everything you just called out that I this is one that I can't wait to see, once the dust settles where it ends up. For sure.

Alright. Last one here on your list. Another one that's just super fun. Like, I would be all over if I was a baseball collector. This is a 1997 Pinnacle totally certified platinum gold, out of 30. These are serial numbered out of 30.

And this does have the coating on it, and it's a BGS10. How is that possible? Come on. I saw this card, and I was like, how is this possible? That's exactly right. And it's Kent Griffey junior. I don't even think I said his name.

By the way, it's Kent Griffey junior. So the yeah. Like, when this came in, I'm like, dude, this this is just, like, everything I want in a card. And and part of it is because it's a more affordable type of card that I would like.

Right? Like like, the 96, Select certified mirror gold, out of my price range for Ken Griffey junior. Always will be. This one, I might be able to swing it someday, especially when you consider where it's sitting at right now.

It's just at $4,100, current bid. The last time a copy $55 back then. I feel like there's been a lot more momentum in the the nineties Griffey market.

And for cards that might be a little a little bit off the, like, top cards path. Right? Like, this is a baseball collectors love this card, but it's not a top three card.

Right? It's not a a PMG or a Rubies or a Essential credentials or whatever you wanna however you wanna make that list. And then we've seen there's the team certified, version of these that sell, like, actually kind of all the time.

I think they're still numbered out of 30, but somehow those sell, like, multiple times a year. And we've seen, like, PSA 10 selling for, like, $56,000. But that was a that was a insert set.

I don't even think it was a subset. This is, like, the the base set rear parallel. So, it it it's a sneaky big card, one of my favorite terms, and it's sitting at a price that seems very low right now to me.

If you are listening to this when this episode goes live, there is probably only a few hours or maybe ten hours or less that you have to go check these out.

Some fun ones on here. Nic, I'm just gonna auction we just talked about a lot of cards, but I wanna hit one in the auction recap.

I know that we are planning for more, but just from a time savings perspective, this is a card that sold this last week on eBay, and I just thought it was too cool.

And I feel like we haven't talked about this guy enough as I'm showing the wrong card here.

Yeah. Show it again. Ken Griffey Junior. Let's stop here. Okay. Let's reshare. And, you know, as I've got as I've the more episodes I've done, I've gotten worse at sharing here. Why is it dude. Hey. This card just wants more attention.

Dude, we we must we must have a, maybe it won't completely take it off the screen once. We must have a bug here on the, let's see. Definitely not the user. It's gotta be It has to be. Gotta be the the system.

Let's there we go. It only took me 20 tries here, but what I'm showing right now is the 1998 Skybox e x 2,001 essential credentials now out of 13 PSA six Tony Gwynn. And this card sold this past week on eBay for 8,766.

And, yeah, if you've come probably if you weren't expecting nineties baseball content today, here you go. Here's some nineties baseball content. But Tony Gwynn, dude, is one of those guys.

I follow the kind of the behavior and the activity of so many collectors on Instagram, probably overly overly obsessed with it, but I like to see where kind of collectors who've been doing this for a while, hedge their bets or buy big cards.

And as I paid more attention to that, it seems like there's a group of Tony Gwynn collectors out there.

And this card, like, when you look at all the elements, it's like, the last time this card sold let's see here. There's one other public sale, and it was a PSA eight that sold October of twenty twenty three, and it's sold for $10.

05. And so there's only and that was a private sale. This was, like, the fur this was the first time this card was ever publicly available.

And I don't know. Like, it yeah. $8,766 is a ton of money, but it's almost like, man, based on what we've been seeing with credentials and based on what type of player Gwen is, like, I almost maybe expected it to go even higher.

But, like, what's your reaction to this Tony Gwynn sale? It feels way, way low. I mean, way low. Like, I'm I'm like it something feels like it is off here.

Like like, the auction didn't go all the way through or something because that number feels crazy low. We sold the Hideo NoMo at a 12 for, like, 60,000. Wait. I mean What was the grade on the NoMo? It was a six or an eight or something.

Let me see if I can, pull that up real fast. It was a PSA eight. It it was 63,000. It was the number 12 out of 12. I do think Spinner won it, if I'm not mistaken, because of, like, the 12 out of 12 meant something for him.

Like, he has, like, a bunch of bookends of the credentials now. So, you know, he he probably paid a little more than what most people would on that card, but this is the next card on the checklist.

It's out of 13. That was out of 12. And Gwen had a much more decorated career as a player, and it sold for, like, an eighth of the price.

I I I feel like it was a miss sending this to eBay auction in my honest opinion, because I didn't even know it was auctioning, and there's your first clue there.

And, we've seen all the big credential sales at auction have been on on auction house platforms. So that number feels like like they left a lot on the table.

Not a card you see every day. Definitely one that I wanted to spotlight. Let's okay, Nic. We're gonna go back. We're gonna do another blind ranking, and you don't even know what where you're gonna blind Oh, yeah.

I love this. Let's go. I I had so much didn't know right. We had so much fun last week, and I was trying to think of what could the topic be. And so what I decided to do two years ago or yeah. Twenty twenty three, which was crazy.

It's been that long ago. At the end of that year, I did a series on parallels. And it was, like, parallels across the board, all different eras, and I brought in a guest, and we just highlighted specific parallels of what they mean.

So what I wanna do here is I want you to blind rank five different parallels, and I'll I'll give you one just one thing in advance.

Peace of mind that you can have is you set out to try to nail this like you nailed prism last year last week. None of these parallels are one of ones, so know that going into it.

You don't have to worry about me saying gem master or something like that. It's not gonna be on the table. Okay. So let me make sure I get my, Yeah. Let's see if we can get this first one pulled up right.

It it probably is not going to work. I'm gonna blame StreamYard. I'm gonna blame you for this. The first card we're gonna share here is come on. Share. No. Yeah. There there is I'm gonna have to put in a note here for StreamYard.

We've got we've got a bug here going on. The way you used to do it does not work anymore, I don't know. No. No. And no. And I don't know if it's maybe maybe StreamYard is flooded with, oh, shoot.

Now do not I'm bugging here. Let's see here. One more one more chance. I I clicked during this process, I clicked off and Is are these cards all in a, certain era?

Are they gonna be all across the board? Can I get can I have that information? You you I've there's we're not I was I was thinking about, do I make it specific or not? And I just said, you will do five from anytime. So Alright.

Alright. Alright. Let please work. Come on. Come on. There we go. Okay. And the the irony of this is this is the same player as I was trying to last time, and this is we're we're showing a a Joe Burrow contender's cracked ice.

In the parallel is the cracked ice. So The parallel rank the cracked ice? If you wanna share any commentary on the cracked ice, you you do that.

So I feel like the cracked ice is a very significant parallel for football collectors, specifically, and it's carried it's one of the few that has is a football first parallel that carried over to basketball, in terms of popularity.

So I think it means a lot, but I wanna leave some room on the table. So I'm gonna slide this one right in the middle at three. Okay. We've got cracked ice at number three.

I agree. Very important parallel to football collectors. Okay. We we we're going with the 24 karat gold here, with the second one. So one and done set, Fleer Brilliance. Collectors like it. We're going nineties.

Where does this fall? It's going number one. I'm gonna swing big and put it at number one. Because of all the things you said, it it goes across all the three major sports, basketball, baseball, football. It's popular in all three.

It's, a a different level of popularity between all three too, which I think is fun and unique. Like, baseball collectors value it a little bit more than basketball collectors, I feel like, in terms of the hierarchy.

And part of that is because there's not as much to choose from on the on the baseball side as there is on the basketball side.

And football player football collectors love it too. So so much I like about this card. Aesthetically, like, one of the best looking cards that that's out there from the nineties, so I'm gonna put it at one.

And we're showing a a Dirk Nowitzki, which you got Dirk as a rookie a young Dirk as a rookie. You got Peyton as a rookie. It's yeah. He's flexing those pythons too, Dirk.

He he he looks like he needs to hit the gym. Next one, we have the platinum medallion. We're showing the '90 '7 ultra MJ, just classic card, but a hundred copies. Mhmm. Where where do you where do you put the platinum medallion?

Platinum medallion? Man, this is tough because nineties collectors love platinum medallions. I'm gonna put it at four, and I think nineties collectors might get mad that I put it behind the cracked ice.

But I think there's, you know, relative to what else you can get in the nineties that was significant, this is just further down the list for me.

Okay. Next card is the Galactic, and I'm showing the 2015, the debut Steph Curry. Where does the Galactic fit in? We've got two spots here. It's going at five, and that's because I love Galactics.

You love Galactics. But for some reason, like, they still haven't caught on mainstream yet. Like, there's some people in the mainstream that that appreciate them, but not like a cracked ice even from the Panini era.

But it's it's, you know, one of the best, short printed non serial number Panini parallels that exist, I I think.

So it's five, but still important parallel. I said that there was gonna be no one of ones, and this is true. But the the design of this next parallel has been seen in one on one form, and maybe the one on one form made it famous.

And we're going with the gold vinyl out of prism, which is Okay. Is gonna be your number two. But how about this one? This is a debut twenty fifteen first year gold vinyl out of prism.

Yeah. Ben Roethlisberger, this baby just sold for $2,200 on, via fanatics buy it now. But, dude, I look at this card, and I'm like, I know one of one's super factors are, like, very important and popular.

But I look at this card, man. I just have this even though Big Ben, you know, crushed my soul as a Colts fan more than once, this is a pretty damn good cool card.

It is, man. And I I there's so some people might look at this and say, okay. They just stole the Superfractor design, which it looks to be the case.

But I also appreciate how they understood how much collectors appreciated the Superfractor design and found a way to incorporate it into their brand of products and didn't just make it another one zero one with a different name.

They made it out of five. So I appreciate how they went about introducing the parallel in design into their brand. And they didn't do it out of the gate.

They waited a few years and were like, okay. It's time. This is a design people want. We need to add more parallels so we can make more money probably on our releases. So it checked a lot of boxes in it.

It gives collectors a a a more rare parallel to Chase than the out of 10, with the goals out of 10 from from prism. And and as we fast forward to now, like, I mean, you now like, when you look at this design, I don't know the split.

It could be fifty fifty. Some people might look at this design and say that's a gold vinyl prism or gold vinyl. Some people might say that's a super fracture.

Like, if you just took all the brand names off of this and this was a, you know, you didn't know the year and all that stuff and you just looked at the design, I bet it's probably pretty split on what people would call it, a super fracture or a gold vinyl.

And that, to me, that says Panini did a great job with the gold vinyl.

Alright, Nic. You did it. You've got the 24 karat gold at number one, prism gold vinyl. Two, contenders cracked ice. Three, Ultra Platinum Medallion. Four, Revolution Galactic at five. How do you feel about your blind ranking?

That was a hard one, man. Because I don't it's like, I don't know if I feel like I nailed it, but I'm also not sure what I would switch on the list. You know? So I'm good. I'm good with how I how I put that.

I'm curious to see what people say in the comments because I feel like there's there's enough, excitement and and momentum behind each one of those that people are gonna hate my rankings and tell me why.

And I think that's awesome. I wanna hear what you guys how you guys would rank these five.

We've got a couple from the mailbag that were hit. It will hit, Drake has a brain buster right out of the gates. So I I told him when I when he sent it, I usually don't comment.

I was like, yeah. This is a a little bit of a challenging one, but I'm Nic, absorb this because I'm gonna toss it to you out of the gate. So I wanna hear your reaction first.

Okay. Last week, Drake at Drake's PC. Last week, you both mentioned the phrase two of the most collectible guys in the hobby when referring to Brady and Griffey. While I tend to agree, I also disagree.

Wouldn't the most collectible players in the hobby have cards that are transacted less frequently? As a Peyton Manning collector, it's very difficult for me to find the best cards, and you rarely see his best cards hit auction.

Yet, many of the best cards of the most collectible guys in the hobby hit an an elite or premier auction nearly every month.

I'll just comment real quick, Drake. Drake, what are you talking about? Look at your collection. You've got You're not oh, you're having trouble finding good Pink Manning cards, man?

You've got, like, nine of his best one on ones. Yeah. Drake, you've got a good a a great paid man in collection. We're just giving you a hard time. But, based on the sentiment there of of mister Drake, how do you respond to that, Nic?

Yeah. I get where he's coming from for sure. I I would think that I used to think that with Michael Jordan cards because it was like he was always the most transacted player on on those lists of, like, most sold player.

It's always Michael Jordan. Or if you look at the premier auction, it's always loaded with usually, the top three guys in the auction are MJ, LeBron, and Kobe.

Right? But they're also what basketball collectors would call the three most collectible players, and they and they are.

I think there's layers to that. So, like, the most collected. So that also means, like, more of those cards have probably been discovered, and then collectors are constantly shuffling their collections.

If there's more people doing that, you're gonna see more cards surface. But also when you have a guy that's more collectible, you're gonna get some speculators and investors in there too. Right?

It's not only collectors that sell cards. It's it's investors, whatever you wanna call these people, as well. And they're gonna flock towards the cards that are more collectible because they know they have more end users to sell to.

But, also, I think with the Peyton Manning example specifically, unrealized value, I think, plays a big role on what cards surface, more frequently.

And I think I would agree a lot of people would agree that paid meaning cards seem like they have a lot of potential left in them still.

And I think that's why a lot of people don't just rip them off at auction. Like, the best paid meaning cards rarely hit auction.

They're usually, like, a huge buy it now, best offer, or they're getting sold privately. We haven't seen a 24 karat gold paid manning sell publicly in years, but we've seen almost everybody else now.

And I think that's because people are the people that own them, they they they know, like, oh, I could probably get 30 for this, but I think it's a $75,000 card in a few years.

Why would I sell it for 30 now? You know? And I think that's the case for a lot of paid many cards.

Whereas Brady has more cards that we've seen transact more, so we we have an idea of what the values are now. It doesn't mean like, there's a ton of unrealized value of Brady's cards.

I I agree with that. But I think it's gonna be more of a steady trajectory whereas, like, some of these Manning cards could just take off that we haven't seen sell forever.

I I hope that makes sense, but I think those are three of the variables that I look at.

It's it's more than just, like, he's the most collectible so that his cards should stay in collections. There's more variables at play. You hit on so much of what was going on in my head.

Maybe I'll just offer one final perspective that I don't think you touched on, Nic, and that would be and and by no means do am I here to defend Tom Brady or Tom Brady cards or collectors.

This is just, evidence that I have through the relationships that I've built in the hobby, and there are a lot of Tom Brady collectors that are in my, surrounding circle of collectors who that's their primary PC, people who I've built relationships with.

And a lot of those individuals, the Brady is the only they might collect something else smaller, but Brady's like it. That's all they collect. And so their desire is to constantly get bigger and better Brady cards that they believe in.

And because they have so many Brady cards, then they've amassed this collection of Brady cards. In order to get move up and and pay for these cards, typically, it talk it takes a sacrifice of what's underneath it.

And so I think, like, the volume of Brady collectors who just collect Brady stuff in, like, the consolidation game brings more Brady cards naturally to market, and maybe that's one of the reasons or a reason that I've observed of why maybe Brady sells at a a a bigger frequency than Manning.

Also, I'll say, I think, what Nic shared about, kinda like the perceived value of Manning. Like, I think there's a lot of people, and I've seen this just as a Manning collector, people getting into Manning cards.

You know, every year since I've been in the hobby is, like, people still feel like there's a lot of room left on the Manning front. And so, that I think is a is a big reason as well.

Yeah. That's a that's a good point too. And and and actually kind of piggybacking off what you said, like, when Brady guys only collect Brady, they're also, like, they're shuffling it's it's kinda this weird conundrum. Right?

Like, they're they're trying to they're always trying to get more Brady cards. So that means when they move up, they sell more Bradys. But it's like this weird vortex of, like there's so many of them that they're selling to each other.

They're sending to. It's the same it's it's honestly very similar to the MJ market. It's just at a smaller scale. So I don't think it's ever gonna change. It's only gonna amplify. But, yeah, I'm I'm with you on the paid meaning thing.

I think once once some of these bigger cards start to hit auction, like, auction, where they're marketed, they're all in your face, and then they sell for big numbers, you're gonna see a lot more Peyton Manning cards hit auction.

Once they hit that value threshold where the people holding on to those cards are like, okay.

What to worth now is more important to me than the card now at this value because I'm gonna sell them. You're gonna see a ton of them get get grown out there. And then I think that those numbers could kinda balance out a little bit.

Dude, I just I'm thinking about just, like, you could if you want a fun project to give yourself, Drake, just go look at just take, like, the premier auction and just take it for the last two years.

Mhmm. And then just, like, do a quantity lookup, like, how many Griffys have sold, how many Bradys, how many Mannings.

My my assumption is that the Bradys and the Griffys I'm just thinking about, like, this this one we're currently in. Like, it's it's like night and day based on the volume.

But based on everything that Nic has shared, I think, like, once you reach this certain point and you're showing up regularly, monthly, and these bigger auctions or these cards, like, it's kind of like a a snowball effect afterward.

So maybe that's what we're waiting for on the Manning front. For sure. Alright. One more question on the mailbag. Collect for fun.

We've hit this so many times, but let's just hit it again. Is there ever a point in bidding early instead of sniping? Yes. Because then you don't have to well, if you so you can't snipe on eBay and place the bid whenever you want.

You don't have to stay up for the auction. So, you know, I think you should do that on eBay. Use a sniping app and just put your bid into that app, and then it'll place the bid for you at the end.

You don't have to be present. Right? Like, let's do it for you. But the point of bidding early on every other platform is you don't have to stay up for the auction. Right? Like, that's that's where we are with dads with little kids.

Like, 09:00 is it for me, man. Like, I am I'm done by 09:00 on most nights, so I can't stay up for these extended bidding things that go till, you know, eleven to one in the morning. And and, so that's why I placed my bids early.

So that's the only perspective I look at it from. And from my experience, bidding on a ton of cards, like, there's nothing is suggested to me that one one has worked out better than the other in terms of actually securing the card.

Dude, I had, last night, I was I was there was one I was I was eyeing on eBay, and I need a name for this because the the the level the the card was well below my striking distance.

I had this, like, okay. I'm gonna put this bid in. And I, like it was like the I was, like, dozing off on the couch. And so many times, I've been dozing off on the couch and, like, missed the card and woken up just so pissed.

And I, like, caught myself, and I, like, looked down, and it was, like, four minutes to go. And I was like, oh my god. You had a and I was, like, getting ready to bid, and this card was on eBay.

And, like, I was I was like, okay. I'm up. I have my phone in my face. I'm not gonna miss this. And I was getting ready I punched in my bid, and I was getting ready to snipe.

And it was, like, within, like, it was, like, eight seconds. The the not only did what I was going to max bid get absolutely torched and blown out of the water, but it, like, doubled.

And I, like, sat there as the time was ticking, and I just, like, froze. And I was like, I want the it was like, I couldn't even process. Like, because I'm looking back on it now. I'm like, would I have bid what the card went for?

And maybe if I had time, maybe yes. But, like, I don't know. There there are these scenario I what I'm begin what I'm say all that to say is, like, I'm beginning not to be on, like, team Snipe.

I just think it's too overwhelming. It's like, just put in your number, and if it gets beat, you get beat, and at least that's comforting.

That's kinda where I'm at. Let let fate take its course. Let fate take its course. Alright, Nic. You had a freaking monster monster, weekend.

So let's talk about Wharf Auctions, what closed. Yeah. So we sold, excuse me, we sold 212 cards, but they did $340,386. Our biggest, dollar sales in a weekly auction to date. I think it's the first time we've crossed 300.

I know a few weeks ago, we did, like, two ninety nine. I don't ever remember it. Yeah. So I think it's the first time, passing 300, which is which is wild. We we sold a lot of awesome cards, obviously, when you sell that much.

But some that stuck out to me that we talked about on here were the ninety seven stadium club, illuminator PSA tens. We had, like, four or five of them that had never sold before.

Brett just brought them up on the screen. There was a a TMac that sold for you. If you scroll down to the left there, the TMac, which is a rookie card, popped two, sold for $2,880.

A PSA nine just sold, like, a few weeks ago for $461. Crazy multiplier there. The KG sold for $1,500. I think it's a pop two. Yeah. It is. PSA nine hasn't sold for a year, but a year ago, a PSA nine did $200.

The Barclays sold for $1,110. It's a pop three, and a PSA nine just did $260. The morning, I think a PSA nine did, like, 200, and PSA 10 did $6. 90. I didn't look up the Van Horn, but it's a pop one PSA 10, and it did $456.

It's a rookie card as well, but, crazy salesman. It just goes to show you, like, how much people do value those low pop PSA tens, especially in, like, key sets, especially in the nineties.

And, frankly, I just I just don't think that's gonna change. As as as much as there is arguments for, like, okay.

You're buying the grade over the card. I think peep people just want that, like, k. I'm one of only two people that has a PSA 10 of this card, and I and I I'm pretty positive another PSA ten isn't gonna pop up.

Big freaking week. Congratulations. That's amazing. We've got some cards to hit. The first one, I'll I'll I'll hit I'll put the I put this one in because this is a member of the Patreon group. Is this a WARF card? This is a WARF card.

Awesome. This is the 99 Flare Brilliant. Speak of the devil of Flare Brilliant. 24 karat gold, Derek Jeter out of 24. This is a PSA nine. It's a pop four. It's currently at 8 k. It's ending on Thursday or when this episode goes live.

Mhmm. But this car, dude, when this this hit my radar, I was like, dude, I can't ever really remember seeing the Jeter twenty four karat gold, and it's just, cool to see it, right here. And crazy. Just an amazing card.

So I the I like, with Jeter, Yankee stuff like this, you know there's, like, a whole pea a whole group of people just, like, waiting to pounce on the something like this, but just a a very high caliber caliber card of one of the most collected players of this era.

For sure, man. And it it hasn't sold this is the first one to sell since, May of twenty twenty two, so almost three years.

And it sold for $14,400 that PSA nine did back three years ago. That feels like it was kinda before the 24 karat gold boom, if I'm not mistaken.

But a PSA eight Griffey just sold for, like, 46,000 on gold in a few weeks ago. And and previously, the PSA ten Griffey sold for, like, 59. So that gap, you know, closed quite a bit there.

A PSA ten Griffey would sell for a lot more than that now, but this is, again, You know, sneaky big card that that's sitting at a pretty pretty low price relative to what it probably will go for.

Alright. We are moving over to the weekly. And Nic, it's god.

It's been maybe the longest high. Well, no. You mentioned him earlier. So so I was like, this is a bit we haven't had a tie had a Barry Sanders conversation in a while, but and then I recalled, oh, yeah. It's been a few minutes.

You're right. Yeah. It's been a few minutes. This is the, 1996 Select certified premium stock red. These are print run of 20. It says out of 20 in the title. It's not serial number, but it's a known print run of 20 copies.

This is a PSA nine. There's just one higher. And the the the one higher just made its way into a collection that it's probably not gonna surface for a long time, which is actually why the PSA nine is selling.

They upgraded to the PSA 10. So probably my favorite nineties parallel, all things considered. And part of that all things is, like, value potential, honestly.

Because back in the nineties, I've referenced this many times. There was a Beckett that came out with with when Barry Sanders ran for 2,000 yards, and it ranked like Barry Sanders' biggest cards.

And the this card was number one. Not the BMG green, not the 97 rubies, not his 98 credentials. This card was number one. Those others were much further down the list.

Like, this was this people knew how important this card was from the time it came out, which I always think is fascinating. You know, others have passed it up in value, but this one's still hanging on.

In the in the the, like, deep rooted football collectors, they know and appreciate how important this card is and would probably agree that it's one of his best nineties cards, period.

That's not a one zero one. And it's sitting at $2,600.

We actually sold a PSA nine, like, a month or two ago, and it did, like, $10,000. So the fact that we've seen two sell three sell in the last several months is is wild because we haven't seen one sell for a long time.

But I also think it's one of those situations where, like, these are where these are ending up, you're not gonna see these for a long time.

So I would assume this would be the last copy you'll see for for quite a while. A classic nineties football card moving from one into Yeah. Another. There's two pretty good players on this card, which is fun.

So what do we got here, Nic? This one's awesome. It's a 1998, Bowman's Best Fusion Mirror Image atomic refractor. Out of 25, it's got Jerry Rice on the front and Randy Moss on the back. We've talked about the '98 atomic design.

It's the same design as the base atomic, which everybody loves, and we've talked about the importance of excuse me. This is a die cut card, front back player, but you don't always get a combination like this.

No. Like, it's usually like Michael Jordan and, Mark Price. You're it's like, what? Like, what? This is Peyton man Peyton Manning and Matt Leinart. Yeah. Yeah. It's like it just leaves you wanting more.

Right? The the other person. Or it's like we sold at Barry Bonds, and I don't even remember who the guy was on the back. It's like you don't even include the other guy in the title when you sell the card because it just doesn't matter.

This is not the case. Like, if you could pair two receivers in 1998 together and put them on a card to make it the most sought after, these would be the two players the two wide receivers that you would put on the card.

So it got absolutely nailed. It's a Randy Moss rookie card, which I I didn't even think of that until I started talking about this.

This is from Randy Moss's rookie year sitting at a $96 bid. I mean, it's only Monday. Like I said before, like, bidding doesn't really get going until Saturday, Sunday.

We haven't seen one of these sell publicly since February. So absolutely a no recent comps, ghost type of card. Alright. We Dion. Do you see do you see who Dion brought on his staff, by the way? My guy, Marshall Faulk.

Not a bad not a bad just some hall of famers casually. Yeah. Yeah. Just like Colorado. I think that's, like, one of the credentials when you put a resume out for Colorado coaching staff. It's like, are you in the hall of fame or not?

Can you imagine if you were recruited as a running back and it's just like, yeah. Marshall Faulk is gonna be your your coach. Know if you've heard of him, but your coach would be Marshall Faulk.

Yeah. That's that that's where the recruiting kinda takes care of itself sometimes. Yes. But, yeah, this is a 02/2012 Panini Prizm, decade of dominance, gold out of 10, Deion Sanders b g s nine five.

This is the only 2012 Prizm set you can find Deion Sanders in. He's not in the base set. He's not in anything else. This is the only place that Deion Sanders is featured in the 2012 prism football side.

He wasn't featured in the base set checklist until 2015. Mhmm. So if you want a piece of 2012 gold, Deion Sanders prism, this is literally the only one that you can get.

One of 10, obviously. There's 10 copies. I'm surprised you're even promoting this card knowing what t what's there. You see the star over there on the side and what you're wearing.

I'm surprised that about any of this nonsense. You did. But, Twenty fifteen, is he in Falcons, Niners? Falcons in 2015, which I think is kinda cool because they took it back Yes.

Origin, and, obviously, it's so far post playing days. It's like, why not just pick the fun one? I love it. Dude, I saw this one at this one came across my, screen at some point, but this card rules. I love this. Yeah.

And we haven't talked about Griffey for a while either. So this this is a 1999 Bowman's best atomic refractor out of 100. Ken Griffey do your PSA 10. We talk about the 98 design all the time. We don't give the 99 design enough love.

Like, I I sometimes I go back and forth where I'm like, man, I think I like the 99 a little better. And it's probably just because you see the 90 eights more, just for you know, talked about more at least.

But the 99 where it's like all the lines are, like, highlighted almost. Right? They're almost like a Yeah. On all the lines. I don't know if it's foil or what, but same on the footballs.

It's like everything's outlined and shiny, and it just the the cards really, really pop. You know, it's it's a nice consolation prize if you can't swing the the 98 for many multiples of this.

I love this. This is a really cool looking card. And the final card of the batch here, which I don't know if I've ever seen this, like, the whole The whole batch?

Yeah. This is this is dude, when I saw this on the format, I clicked it. I was like, what am I looking at right now? That's exactly what I said when it showed up in my vault.

I'm like, is this jumbo card? Or so if you can't see it, this is the twenty twenty one upper deck, the cup. It's the o three exquisite tribute patch auto of Alexander Ovechkin. It's out of 25 game use patch.

Doing really well right now. Alright. Yeah. It's doing really well. It looks just like the o three exquisite basketball, patch autos that that everybody knows. It's sitting at a a $1,675 bid, which is strong.

But, yeah, what what Brett was talking about is this, CGC authenticates all the raw cards now that sell on fanatics. They won't sell raw cards that are not authenticated, and CGC is in house there and authenticates them right there.

But my guess is they don't have holders for the thick cards yet, so they had to, like, make make something up here because this is in, like, a massive we own this wise, like, holder.

When you get the card, you can just pull it out of that.

Okay? You're not stuck it's not stuck in there, for anybody wondering. But the card itself I mean, Ovechkin is on this tear that he's on, this this run to the, to the record that he's on.

Game used, patch on card auto with the tribute to the o three exquisite set. This is a pretty sweet card. And it's it shouldn't do, like, much more than it's at right now.

Like, relatively, it feels like a pretty affordable card for how cool it is. Yeah. Amazing card. That it was a little jarring when I saw that big pull. I was like, what is going on here?

Lots of cards. We got the we got the premier. We got the weeklies. Make sure you check out everything Nic is doing over at the Warr SportsCard. Before we get out of here, Nic, what do you wanna you wanna plug anything, share anything?

What do you got? Just pop in the premier. I hope you guys hear this in time to to check out the premier auction. It ends Thursday, March 20. You know, it'll go in late into the night, but pop in there.

I'm telling you, like, even if there isn't something that you want, this is probably the highest odds there ever has been for having something that you not only want but can afford in the premier auction.

Awesome. Everybody, go run. Links will be in the show notes.

Appreciate you all listening in and tuning in. A little over the ninety minute mark, but I was trying to keep it tight. We we had a lot to talk about, so appreciate that. Talk to you all soon. Thanks, everybody.