Auction talk. We're back in the saddle. We changed our clocks. Nic and I were talking about, kids adjusting or not.

What are your thoughts? Like, do we are you a fan of the moving of the clocks and daylight savings, or would do you wish it was just like a a we were just keeping it rolling all year?

What what's going on in your head with that? I mean, change is always hard with kids.

So, like, anytime you cannot change something, I'm usually a fan of that for the most part. But, yeah, it's it's one of those things where it's like a I think people would generally make it a bigger deal than it is.

As far as, like, how it impacts, you know, your day and your sleep and all that kind of stuff, it's it's really, like, for us, it's like maybe that night is weird, and then it's everything balances out.

So it's it's not a big deal. I'm a fan of, it being lighter longer in the day. So whatever we can do to make that happen, I'm I I will support.

Yes. It's very it's very bright right now, and I, I can't believe we're in March. We've seen just a ridiculous volume of card sell in 2025, which has been awesome, and there's a lot of them that we're gonna talk about today.

Just to let the audience know from the top because, I measure some of these episodes by volume of tabs I have open, and I have a lot of tabs open.

We are going to cover from the the top, some cards that are selling through the Wharf Sports Cards in the upcoming, Fanatics Collect Premier auction.

There was a big golden auction, auction, Elite, so I picked a few of those cards to cover.

And then we'll you know, in the episode, like we always do, talking about some cards that are up for auction in the weekly, cards on top of card we're seeing more cool cards sell at auction than we did this time last year.

Right? I know that's just like a this is how I feel, but don't you think so? It feels like it, man. Like, we there's definitely not a shortage of good auctions to talk about right now.

That's for sure. No. I wanted to start the conversation before we get into the cards by it's funny, like, they're in with this show or with this platform, there are conversations that bleed over into other conversations.

And I heard Joey at the Etrader say something that I've heard him say before, but in on Friday's episode, he made mention of you shouldn't have to write paragraphs about why why a card matters when you're looking to store value in cards.

The card should just speak for itself, which I thought was a pretty, pretty profound statement.

I think to me and I got a lot of some conversation from that because I posted some stuff, and I think one of the lines I wanna clear is that if you are creating content and you're trying to educate on a specific set, that's a good thing.

Like, I'm I'm all about that. But for me, it's when someone's trying to sell something and they have to, like, write a whole diatribe about, like, why this card matters.

To me, that's where it goes sideways a little bit. So I think we have seen a lot of money going into, and we've covered it on auction talk, rare and scarce nineties cards. But I don't know.

Like, is there anything that comes to your mind in terms of opportunities or what you're seeing collectors gravitate towards where it's like collectors are gravitating to certain cards or certain pockets because when you just look at the card, it speaks for itself as opposed to, like, taking some big risk on a card that, you know, might have some explaining to do?

Like Mhmm. What do you see in that? Yeah. It's an interesting, kind of perspective, and and and you hear it a lot.

And Joey has been very successful with this. You know, if I don't know if you'd call him card investments, but, like, he's been very successful with what he's bought and how much he sold those things for.

So, you know, he's probably someone worth listening to, I I would a % say. And he and he collects too. Like, he I feel like he's very connected to kinda all sides of the hobby, so that's great perspective to listen to, here.

But I I think it's it's a tough one to generalize in my opinion because, like, when you think like, what's a card that speaks for itself?

Like, what name a card that jumps out to you. That's like a card that speaks for itself. 97RedPMGJordan. Okay.

So that's a that's a good one. It speaks for itself because it's a loud design. Right? Like, it's it just pops out at you. So you you automatically wanna learn more, but, like, what else does it speak for itself? You know what I mean?

Like, you still have to, like, dive into the intricacies of it and talk about those things for people to if if not enough people understood why it was an important card, AKA somebody telling that story or a lot of people telling that story, it would not be worth what it is today.

Yeah. I I think it's like this is interesting. I'm glad you're pulling on it this way.

To me, it's like, maybe it's not someone with zero knowledge or insight on what that card is when they see it at first glance, but it's like maybe it's like, what are those things within the cards in this space that over a long period of time, there's, like whether through a bunch of big sales, collector interest grabbing towards it, set building, like, all these things, like, combine, and then all of a sudden, like, a card from all of those from those circumstances and elements, like, reaches the status that everyone who's kinda been here and done this can just be like, yeah.

I I have I've seen everything that that card or that set has gone through, and I get it.

And I understand why it's that much. It just speaks for itself. That's maybe kind of how I interpret it. Yeah. No. I love that. Then so so then we have to say value is a big piece of the equation, I think, in my opinion.

Yes. Because that's the sort of generalized agreement that a card is important. Right? How much is it worth? Because if it's that important enough people enough peep there's enough demand to to jack up the price of it.

So Is that is that is that good? Is that good? Right. That's That's kinda where I'm getting to. That's kinda where I'm getting to. Is this a good is this a good thing? Because value is a huge part of that equation in my opinion.

So what's so bad about telling the story about the card that's worth one twentieth of this, you know, the card speaks for itself, hundred thousand dollar card, but it actually has a better story.

It has more things to talk about. It's just not worth as much. Like, to me, like, I wanna hear that paragraph.

Now this is not a knock on Joey. It's not at all, like or or that side. Like, I get where you guys are coming from, and I get when it when it when it's my card and I'm telling the story so that I can sell it for more money, that's a no.

That's a no go. And it's why I don't talk about my cards when I'm selling them.

I I might say something about it and just be like, this is my card so you know this. Like, where this perspective is coming from, this is my card. Take that into consideration.

So I I think we all agree with that, but, I love the stories. Like, I'm I'm always the one that's looking for cards that haven't been Yeah. Mainstream discovered yet, and there's always stories behind those cards.

So so this is I was thinking about this in my own personal use case of it too, and it's like, I collect certain things, and those are very apparent, and I show that on my Instagram page.

But then there's obviously and, Nic, I'm gonna I'm gonna, maybe I'll blame you for this because I love taking blame on things.

I'll blame you. You you, ventured off into running your own business, and it being, like, the main source of income for your family prior to me. So we are friends, and I observe how you run your business and everything else.

With as a part of all that, one thing I've observed is, like, you you you you try to take calculated risks on certain cards because, you know, you you sell the those are cards you buy and you're like, this probably isn't a forever card, but I I see a lot of opportunity.

And then I can take that opportunity from that card if it all works out the way I think it should.

Then I I can go take those funds and put it back into my business. And I think that just, like, being a business a small business in cards and, like, you're limiting yourself if you if you don't think like that.

I mean, I think, like, that adds a a layer of fun to Yeah. You know, being fortunate enough to have a business in the hobby.

So for for me, I have a lot more of an appetite right now to think outside the box of my own personal collection and buy cards that I see opportunity for, but it's also, like, in categories and things that are really interesting to me.

Yep. And I'm I'm also, like, someone who's worked the last decade plus in startup space, so, like, very unproven, see things, build it from the ground up. And I'm I'm, like, learning.

I'm I'm, like, applying that too to, like, this part of, like, my buying of cards where I I'm not I don't feel comfortable, like, putting, like, 10 to $20,000 in a card that, like, people look at and they already know that, like, okay.

This this card speaks for itself. I feel more comfortable put putting less money in cards that I can through my history of collecting, I can see, like, this isn't crazy to see this card maybe two or three x in the next three years.

And so I I kinda understand where you're coming from. And I think that's where maybe I'm willing to take a little bit more of a risk because upfront, I'm paying less.

And it just reaches a point where, yeah, maybe, like, s and p 500 stocks, like, that's safe, and it'll gradually increase over a long period of time, but, like, it's also maybe not as fun. I think that's a huge part of it, man.

Because, like, at the end of the day, we all part of at least part of why we all do this is for fun. Right? Like, it's at least a part of the equation for everybody no matter what your goals are with with collecting or buying cards.

Fun is usually a piece of the equation. So especially for us as business owners, if we have business owners in this space, like solo business owners.

There's all the pressure is on us. We like, you got like, you guys hear, like, oh, you get to run your own business is sports cars and you like, like, all sunshine and roses, right, or whatever this thing is, but, like, it's and it is.

Like, this I wouldn't wanna do anything else than than this. But there's all the pressure falls on us all day every day.

So when we can find pieces of our business that are fun for us and also give us opportunity to make money for our business, to provide for our family, like, that checks all the boxes.

So, yeah, that's that's sort of my angle as well is, like, it's just not really fun for me to buy the cards that are you everybody knows about, and and it's like everybody agrees that this is a important card.

Like, it's just it's not as fun for me. And maybe maybe it's because there is, like, less risk in that. Maybe maybe I need a little bit of the risk. But whatever it is, like, the fun the fun part of the equation matters.

And and it's like being okay with if I then go sell that card and it it sells for maybe $500 less than I bought it for, well, some experiments when you're running your own business don't work out and you lose money on some decisions that you make.

Well, in this scenario, at least I gotta own a cool card.

Right? That's exactly right. Like, I'd say most of my ideas fail. So it's like I'm just looking for the one to stick stick hard, but it's usually, like, a a chunk of failures before a success.

So, yeah, I love that perspective from the card angle too. So with what do you what do you notice based on this thread, Ron, with people that you're working with regularly?

Is there are well, maybe what percentage of decisions are made with, like, that would maybe be classified as risky versus tried and true?

I would say, honestly, like, I'm looking at at this for, like, what are we usually funding and what are they usually selling type of stuff. Like, that's kinda how I'm getting, like, this type of information.

And most of what we're funding is more of the tried and true stuff, honestly, right now, at least. And most of what they're selling is it's it's also tried and true stuff, I would say.

It's just less rare tried and true stuff. You know what I mean? Like, we sold like, we're selling a ton of awesome nineties baseball stuff, like, and it's, like, all these cars.

I'm like, dude, I won all of these. But, you know, but they're they're out of a hundred or out of 75. And in this which is not that, you know, common, but it's less rare than a out of 10 or a one zero one or or whatever the case is.

So, if they're being risky, it's it's what I see the most, and I don't know if you would call this risky or not, is people that I work with going all in on a segment rather than, like, you know, I'm gonna spread some money over here.

I'm gonna put some money over here and kinda, like, hedge all my, you know, investments or purchases or money that I have in cards.

It's they're usually super passionate about a specific segment, and they're just growing that segment of their collection as big as they can. So that would be, you know, quote, unquote, the riskiest moves I'm seeing right now, honestly.

Do you think in that scenario where people are investing more in a segment and maybe, shedding the skin of other segments, is it a, this is what I am most passionate about, or is this a, this is where I see the most financial opportunity, or is it a a mixture of both?

I think it's both. I think it starts with the passion, and then it's, if there's financial opportunity too, then that's the icing on the cake for a lot of these people. But, you know, there it's just fun to see the nuances within.

Like, it might be a nineties collector that's, like, trying to go higher grade on stuff because they believe, like, higher grades from the 90 stuff is gonna matter more in ten years, twenty years, thirty years, when we get further away from the nineties.

Or, you know, you know, the Patch Auto guys, the exquisite Patch Auto guys or early Patch Auto guys, maybe they're really doubling down on the best patches they can find.

And because they think that's what's gonna separate prices in the long haul, like, the best patches are gonna be five, six, seven x, the the basic patches or something like that, kind of finding nuances within stuff that's already in their collection and just kinda upgrading within that.

That, that all makes sense. Yeah. I thought this was a fun one to hit on.

I'm not sure what I expected from the opening dialogue, but I think it's I'm I'm glad we went there. Yeah. I feel like I'm gonna get some, DMs on the, like, storytelling thing, which is which is great.

I'm not I know where you guys are coming from, and I think we probably agree on that. Like, I'm not saying I disagree that every card needs a story. I don't think that.

But I think it the ones that do need a story, it's fun to tell the stories, and it's fun to learn the stories, and it's fun to see what happens with that card over several years to see if people kind of begin to accept that card like they did these cards that are already established that weren't established fifteen, twenty years ago.

What one 100%. Alright, dude. Let's get into some of these, cards that maybe for anyone who doesn't know, what is it the what is the date of the a week from Thursday, which is So it's it's live right now. It ends on, March 20.

Thursday, March. March twentieth. So these are on the premier Mhmm. Auction, Fanatics Collect being sold through the worst sports cards. I mean, let's just start from you are you becoming the are you becoming the credentials guy?

Is that what's happening here? Maybe, man. We are we are getting a lot of them. And we so we have 24 cards in the premier auction this month, which is a record for us.

It's just a lot of super cool cards, and you think 24, like, they're not 24, like, a hundred and $50,000 cards. A lot there are a lot of 10 to $30,000 cards, which is the more affordable section of the premier.

So it's definitely worth checking out for everybody. I think there's a fun variety of stuff in affordable stuff that we're selling in this premier. But this first card is Hold on, Nic.

Just so people know, do you want to give the disclaimer regarding participation in Yeah. Premier and what they have to do? And then also too, I don't know if this might be an opportunity to plug, funding Yeah. Just in case.

So go for it. For sure. So premier auction, you do have to go through some extra layers of approval to be able to bid in a premier auction. It's usually, like, proof of identity and, like, proof that you can pay for these type of cards.

So it might be a bank statement, a credit card statement. It can be, purchase invoices from other auction houses, Golden, Alt, Heritage, just to show that you can pay for these higher value of cards.

And you might complain about that extra layer as a buyer, but they've had a %, payment on the last three premier auctions, I believe.

At least the last at least the last two, I'm I'm positive of. So for 2025, and they put some extra layers in there to to make sure that they're getting everything paid for.

But, like, as a seller, it's why you're seeing it's partially why you're seeing more cards in Premiers because sellers are are at the point now where they're like, I know this is gonna get paid for a %.

It might be 95 on weekly or whatever. Like, it but it's but that % of sure this is gonna get paid for is why you're seeing some of these $1,015,000 dollar cards maybe hit premier when you might be thinking, that should be a weekly card.

But funding wise, so on the funding side, we can always bid on cards that are not ours, you know, and and work that out with you guys. It's simply DMing us. But, with our cards, obviously, we can't bid on our cards.

We can't be in any discussions with you on what you're gonna bid or anything like that. We don't wanna know anything about what you're doing bidding on our card. Don't don't share any of that information with us, please.

But, if we can get creative with funding, if you win one of our cards, we have to get creative on how we how we, do that because we wouldn't be taking possession of the card, so we would need some extra collateral upfront.

But, again, it's just a simple DM and conversation that we can talk through that. So Awesome. Well, we got I I I kinda led the witness a little bit, but you've got a pretty, coveted Tom Brady credentials here.

So talk about this one. This one is so sick, man. And part of why I love this card because I feel like it's affordable to more people than a lot of Tom Brady cards. This is the 2,004 FLIR EX essential credentials now.

Jersey number copy 12. Oh. Yes. Out of 19. I didn't notice that. Yeah. I paused. I knew something was coming from you, and he gave me the oh. So that's the first card that's got the oh. So that's how important it is.

But, yes, the now parallel. So there's only 19 of the now. I think that he has a future. I think there's 47 of those. So this is the more rare of the two. But there's so much going for this. This is a PSA six. It's pop one, none higher.

There's only three copies graded by PSA. So, it's super hard to find these cards at all. There's also backdoor copies without serial numbers, and I think there's copies that have had aftermarket serial numbers attempted on them.

If it's not in a PSA holder, I would not touch this card. It honestly, there's I think there's been two sales in a GMA holder, and one in a CGC holder. I'm telling you, if it's not PSA, stay away. Alright?

That did rhyme, and I did that on purpose. But this is one of those type of cards similar to a lot of the 90 stuff where people are just, like, more confident in the PSA. Dude, you should you should have dropped the Kendrick Perkins.

I was thinking of Perkins. What do you mean? He said if he's talking about his base, Zion, And Jaws, and he said, no. If it if it if it if it ain't PSA, don't come around our way. Yeah.

That's what it is. I said, I didn't want it to disrespect him. Dude, how crazy is that? Like, Kendrick person Perkins was, like, was, like, contributing to the hobby during that era. It was insane. The good old the good old days, man.

The good old days. But, yeah, this one is so Brady's credentials is are super limited. He only has two. He's got his 2,000, which is his rookie year, and he's in a Michigan uniform in his rookie year.

And that one is unique because it's it's the essential credentials out of 1,500 or 2,500. It's the base. Or and then or it's the credentials is the base, and then the essential credentials is the parallel.

There's not a now and a future. The essential credentials is out of 25, so it's pretty rare, but he's in a Michigan uniform. And, honestly, this card with the foil, it it pops so much more, and he's in a full Patriots uniform.

Like, aesthetically, give me this card a hundred times over the 2,000, but, obviously, the two thousand's a rookie card. It's gonna fetch a premium. So there there's a limited selection with Brady essential credentials, period.

His future his 02/2004 future at PSA eight sold for $4,560 recently. I think it was in February. Maybe it was super recent. So that one is, what, three two and a half times, more common and sold for $4,560.

The most recent sale of a now from o four was a PSA five for $7,368 in October. So that was, a PSA five. This is a PSA six, and then this is the jersey number copy. Again, I talked about this before on Auction Talk.

I am I am a believer that jersey number premiums should only exist for, like, the real like, you hear a jersey number in first person that pops in everybody's head, and Tom Brady in 12 is is that number.

Dude, this is like I was thinking the same thing. I'm like, I am not a big jersey number guy. Although, like, if I end up with one, I'm like, this is cool. Right. But, like, I am not willing to go above and beyond to pay for a copy.

But I look at this card, credentials Mhmm. 19 copies. Like, the the the the 12 copy is going that is going to mean something. So I'm curious to see, like I'm sure the market will feel the same way.

And I think if it's any other player, maybe, maybe not, but, like, the fact that it's Tom Brady, it's pretty good. Like, people just think about this for one second.

Alright? If this was a nineties card so it's a fifth year card for Brady. Right? 4001, 2 2, 2 3, 2 4, If this was a nineties credentials out of 19, it would be a $250,000 car. At least at least.

Like, Kobe Bryant okay. Allen Iverson. Second year Allen Iverson credentials out of three. Sold for 700,000. Kobe's was out of eight, and it was yellow instead of green. It was the wrong color. Second year card sold for almost $600,000.

Why is this and and Kobe and Allen Iverson had, like, nine years of credential cards. Why is this one, which is his most rare, and there's only two years of credentials for Brady? This is the only one in his patch uniform.

Why why would this be a sub $10,000 card in any grade? It it's only because it's 02/2004 and not 1997 or 1998. It's literally just the year of the card. But the design of this, everybody loves the design.

Like, the jersey number copy, the if you look at the card, there's a big 12 on the front of the card. Like, I love that. This there's like, it it it just accentuates the importance of the number 12 for Tom Brady.

There's a big 12 on the front of the card. It's number 12 out of 19. His jersey show's number 12. Like, I feel like it just matters more, especially for this specific card. But this is one of those cards you wanna talk about stories.

Like, I will spend $15,000 on this card and sit on it for fifteen years all day every day before I would sit on a Allen Iverson ninety seven credentials out of three for $700,000 on it for fifteen years and argue against that for me, and and I would love to have that conversation.

I'm not I'm not willing to do that.

I know I know I know where you stand, Brett. Yes. Yes. Get your bids in. Alright? Alright. We got another we're going from Brady to Ken Griffey junior. Let's just talk about the most collectible people in the hobby.

This one, well, we had a stretch where we are covering the crusades a lot on here, and it's cool to see one. Yeah. I felt like I couldn't include couldn't skip this one with as much love as we gave for the crusades set.

This is the 98 Donerous Crusade, red at 25, Ken Griffey junior, b g s nine five. It's a true gem, so all nine five subgrades. There's only two b g s nine fives.

There's there's none higher. There's no b g s tens. The other b g s nine five is a min gem, so this is the higher graded BGS nine five copy. We've actually this is the first BGS nine five copy to sell publicly as well.

There's only one PSA 10, and it sold in August 2023 for $63,000, which was super interesting because a PSA ten twenty four karat gold Ken Griffey junior sold the same month before this crusade red PSA 10, and the 24 karat gold PSA 10 sold for $59,000.

So it actually sold a card that most people would think is a more desirable card for all collectors.

It actually sold for less than the PSA ten Donner's crusade red. Baseball collectors love crusade reds, I'm telling you, especially at the with the bigger players.

Like, the bigger players in the crusade red set sell for heat premiums. And the smaller play like Cary Woods were selling for, like, $7,000 on eBay.

Like, the the set is super important to baseball collectors, and there's, like, this aura about about the set. It was a one and done set as well because Pinnacle, the the company that owned Donris, went bankrupt the next year.

There was a bunch of, extra copies and backdoor copies that, were gonna be released, like other parallels of set and stuff that didn't get finished and into releases and then came out later.

And those are circulating as, like, samples and promo cards or whatever. Like, there's there's just a a lot of interesting nuances and aura around the set.

You know what I what I love when I was learning about this set is the fact that these crusades were distributed amongst four different Yeah. Yeah. Which is which is, like, I don't know. Like, that to me is fun.

Like, that's cool. That's fun. The fact that, like, one and done, and it's like you could have opened up, was it Leaf, Don Roose, Rookies and Stars, and Pinnacle? The I just said those four. Those might be it, might not.

I but but those are, like, the four that are coming to mind, and it's like, open up a hobby box, and you could get one of these cards, which I think is fun. Maybe adds to the allure of the chase and why it's so important today.

Dude, I love that. Like, let's let's throw some of the super rare let's pick a super rare Prism Parallel and start throwing it in, you know, like Prestige or Spectra or some you know what I mean?

Like like, get some juice behind those products. Like you said, they did things differently back then. It was a lot of fun. Very cool card. And you know what?

We're we're moving from, Griffey into another nineties baseball legend. So you you weren't lying about, like, some cool nineties baseball cards in the arsenal right now. And we have more. We have a Jeter twenty four karat gold.

We have, the Ken Griffey junior 97 Pinnacle totally platinum gold. Like, there's tons of quality nineties baseball we have right now. But this one is the 1998 Ultra Masterpieces Ultra Masterpiece one of one, Cal Ripken Junior PSA eight.

This card is awesome, man. Like, I mean, people know this set. People know this parallel, but, like, you and I have talked about it before.

Like, it feels like Kyle Ripken doesn't get the the market love that we feel like he should for what he's done. Right? Like, everybody knows who Kyle Ripken is and why he's important.

Like, he's he had the Ironman streak where he played, like, 2,700 games straight or something insane. He played, you know, into the February, I think, like, three decades. He he played through three decades of baseball.

He won two MVPs. He won a world series. He he made the all star team nineteen times. Like, people would most people would die to have a nineteen year career, and he made the all star team nineteen times.

So it's, you know, as a player, it's it's like there's so much to say about him, and then he just he sells for cheap, and it's crazy.

But this this set, not a lot of sales have happened for the 98 ultra masterpiece one on ones on the baseball side, but there has been two recently just just to go off of something.

A Daryl Strawberry sold for 6,500 in January. A Manny Ramirez sold for 5 k in November. Those were both both bins. Like, you would think if those both went to auction, the Manny would probably sell for more, you would think.

So who knows what the actual value of those are, but they both got binned at those prices. We sold the Jeter of this card privately in 2023, summer of '20 '20 '3, I believe.

And I it was right around 30 k. It was, like, 28 or 30 or 32, like, right in that range. It's sold since then for more privately. So the Jeter of this is a $4,050,000 dollar card.

Who knows? But the card that is comparable to me that is, like, super interesting to look at is the John Stockton. Dude, the the the that that We're going there. I need it. That is such an dude, that comp.

It's the perfect comp. It's the perfect you both have records that'll never be there. You both had long, very prolific careers Yes. That I've never compared at Stockton and Ripken in my mind, but that just makes a lot of sense.

Dude, it's the perfect comp. I'm glad you had that re reaction because I'm looking at it like this is the might be the best cross sport player comp I've ever accomplished.

And I wasn't sure if I was just getting excited because it's this card, so I'm glad you're having that reaction.

But the the Stockton is from '97, but it's the same design, all that stuff. Sold for 30 k in the December premier auction. It was a BGS eight, I believe, if if that matters.

It doesn't matter too much on a one zero one. But, yeah, they're the same type of guy. Right? They played for forever. They both played, like, twenty plus years or nineteen plus years, whatever it was.

They they both have distinct records, like you said. Like, Stockton's is probably it's hard to say which one's more impressive. Right? Because the games is impressive, but it's not really, like, a skill thing.

It's more of a, you know, toughness thing. But assist is more of a skill thing. So so maybe Stockton's, record is a little bit more, admirable or or or harder to get.

I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. I know. I mean, it's the the baseball thing is insane, though, because of the volume of games they have and the, like, they're both I have to really think about that. Yeah.

They're they're they're both insane. So maybe they're on par with each other. But Stockton and Stockton had a great career. This is not to discount Stockton. We're just comparing it to Ripken's career. Stockton had no MVPs, no titles.

He did play in the Jordan era, so we can give him a pass for that. He was a 10 time all star, which is great. Right? But it's not 19. Cal Ripken made the all star team nineteen times. He won two MVPs. He won a world series title.

So he actually did more than, John Stockton in his career. And baseball was the OG of collecting. Right? Like, if it's football, you can make the whole, like, basketball is bigger and baseball was the first, but, like, what do you say?

Like, baseball was the OG of collecting. So there shouldn't be much of a gap between quality nineties baseball and quality nineties basketball.

But when I see a Stockton sell for 30 k, I mean, I don't see why the Ripken isn't in that range or more, and for for all of those reasons.

Those are three really freaking awesome cards to be featured. There's more. Definitely check those out. We'll put the link to those in the show notes.

Anything else before we move off of Premier? Definitely check out the Premier and what we have. There's cars I mean, we probably have 10,000 up to 60,000, and and a lot of it is in that 10 to 20 or 10 to 25 range.

So like I said, there's there's stuff that's affordable, I'm I'm telling you guys, and it's stuff that you don't see selling ever. So it's it's checking a lot of boxes.

Just get in there and check it out. So we're we're moving from, like, you know, o four, some nineties, and then we're gonna hit some shiny modern stuff because we gotta talk about the the golden, elite ending.

And I just cherry picked three cards that I think would be fun to talk about.

So, you know, we haven't it's been, what, a couple of maybe two or three episodes where we haven't talked about Caitlin Clark. So why not get in our Caitlin Clark stuff?

Her two thou 20 20 four select WNBA premier level gold vinyl one of one, which is in a PSA 10, sold for $91,500. Now the concourse, it sold, also previous to this, and, I think it was in the it may it hit 6 figures.

So Wow. The I think it was also a PSA 10. So this there's the market is saying that the concourse is more valuable than the premier whatever. I we can get into, like, splitting hairs and all that stuff, but I don't know, man.

Ninety we it wasn't too long ago where we were talking about her it was a year year and maybe two months ago, we were talking about her super fracture selling for 78 k.

And now it's just, like, become commonplace to see, these cards sell for above that.

One thing and I'd love for you to comment. One thing that I'm noticing with Caitlin Clark in this era of her doing something that no other female athlete has done is consistently from a card sale perspective.

What we're seeing the cards, we're seeing the cards come out, and we're seeing the cards go to auction.

So I think that's happening based on, you know, market demand, people getting access, whether they're winning them in a break, pulling them for a pack.

Like, they're putting them up for auction. So I think it's incredible in a way to see some of her best cards, which there's not a ton in her rookie year Mhmm.

All sell, and then what they're selling for is just astronomical, which is makes it hard for somebody who really likes Caitlin Park, who wants to buy her best cars, but it's just you gotta realize there's there's levels and maybe that's why I keep telling myself.

It's like, maybe someday, but I'm just not on that level. But I don't know, man.

What do you what do you say about this? It's a it's a huge sale, man. It is I I would love to see the market cap for, like, all of our one of ones that have sold so far. I feel like it's it's a big number, which is cool, man.

And and then, you know, one little nuance that it probably doesn't matter at all, but it just sticks out to me is that the concourse sold for more than the premier, but the premier is it doesn't matter.

They're all one on ones. Right? But the premier level is supposed to be the more rare level of the three. And in football, all the premiers are always die cut. So it's like they always suffer less because they're die cut.

And so it's interesting that it carried over to this that's not die cut. They're all of them are regular standard cards, but the concourse still sold for more than the premier.

So let me let me run this by you because I've I've I've that's a great call out, and I love that we're getting very in the weeds with this.

So and I I have posted this, and I I do not have a one of one super fracture, but I will publicly share here to remind people if they don't know.

I do own a copy of the concourse gold out of 10 PSA 10. And part of my reasoning for wanting that card, especially over, like, a gold premier level was it's a it's a rookie card, and the concourse is the first.

So, like, if you're looking at the set structure, like Right. Her first rookie card out of the select product is a concourse based on the numbers.

So I don't know if that that is was like a a measuring stick for me as I was evaluating, and I don't know if other collectors who are spending money buying these cards consider that as well, but that's just something that I wanted to call out in terms of my rational and thinking about her her cards and the hierarchy of them within one product.

Yeah. I love that. That makes sense. That's good insight. Okay. So Caitlin Clark cards are selling. We moved from This guy. Someone who I'm cheering for regularly to someone you're cheering for.

And I Yes. We hadn't seen this. We hadn't seen one, and then this sold. So the, we've got the Jaden Daniels twenty four, 24 prism gold vinyl out of five b g s nine, and there's a pop too.

This this sucker sold for 50 k, which is a big sale. And why I wanted why I wanted to especially bring this up because there's been another sale, and it the last sale was on March 7.

So this this sold on March 8. And then on March 7, the night before that ended, one sold via fixed price. Someone just, on eBay, smashed bin for 37 k.

So so I guess it's a smart proactive move because Yeah. And and and that's a PSA nine copy too. So a PSA nine copy sold a day earlier for $13,000 less. So what do you make make sense of all that, Nic?

My guess is that I didn't watch the bidding on this, so I don't know where it was. Yeah. But my guess is it was at 37 or real close to it on March 7, maybe past it. And the I would guess the person the same person bought both of these.

Because We think so. From an investment perspective, like, owning two of the five copies puts you in a pretty strong position, to to kinda hold those back and not let them see the market and kinda dictate when the next one sells.

So and that's where more of the type of buyers at this range on a Jaden Daniels card, it's it's more of those type of buyers than than it is collectors. So that would be my first guess.

Or it was another speculative type of buyer that said this one's gonna blow past 37. Let me snatch this one up real quick, and I'm sitting in the green, you know, a day later when the b g s nine sells for 50.

So, I'm always suspicious on this type of stuff because now you got comps out there, and that guy can sell that PSA nine at a card show pretty easily now for 50 k and, feel like Oh, yeah.

Yeah. He the buyer would he would feel like he's given the buyer a deal at 50 k, and he's still making $13,000.

So, that that would be my guess. Yes. Okay. So we talked about all the pricing. I maybe I'm just like I haven't had a time moment to do this, and I'm just, like, looking at this.

Dude, this is, to me well, I'm looking at the it being in gold vinyl in this parallel, which adds definitely extra luster to it, but this is a damn cool rookie card.

I like, the design, you look at Daniel's eyes, like Yeah. Dude, this card to me, maybe I'm looking at it too, maybe a little more with a little more energy based on what he just did in his rookie year, but not all rookie cards hit.

To me, this rookie card hits pretty hard. Yeah. Dude, this is I I personally if I'm just going off aesthetics, I like this better than the gold for some reason.

The gold vinyl just pops on this one more. Maybe it's the the way he's presented on the card and then the colors of the uniform as well, but, like, I don't know. That gold vinyl is doing it for me, man. Dude, I'm I'm saying that too.

It's like Yeah. Jeez. I wish I had a money tree out back, and I get I just had an extra 50 k. Yeah. Yeah. Go into a Jaden Davis card. Pretty awesome sale, but we're seeing Caitlin Clark, Jaden Daniels are the two we're we talk about.

And then we're going maybe a little more old school here, but I wanted to talk about this one because so the the 2012, Ovechkin Gold Prism b g s nine five, this just sold, and it sold for $14,640 on Gold Nox.

I was like, man, that just, like, seems low.

And so I I I pulled up in Cartelier. Dude, it's the lowest sale in, let's see here. All yeah. There it goes back. It's the low it's the lowest public sale ever for this card, which Yeah. I thought was interesting.

Yeah. Because he's still playing and, like, closing in on Gretzky's record. So it that is crazy, man. I think what holds back this set is that it wasn't a standalone release. Yeah. It was in, like, the anthology set or whatever.

Yeah. Like, sub an insert in that set. So Do you think it should be called out on the slab that it it's it's you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. I've seen slabs that have called it out, but it's I don't think it's the go to.

But, yeah, it's deceiving. I I don't think like, looking at the front of the card, you'd have no idea. You'd have to flip it over to the back where it actually says Panini Anthology, I think, on it.

But go ahead and search 2020 2012 dash 13 prism hockey, and you're gonna get taken to Panini Anthology set or what or rookie anthology, whatever it's called, and you'll have to look in that checklist to actually find it.

So that's that's my only guess because, otherwise, when you compare this to basketball, football, that type of stuff, this sale makes no sense. Well yeah. That's yeah.

I'd it's a good call out. I'm glad you went there. But, yeah, amazing there's a bunch of amazing cards selling, through Golden. I've commented to Nic before we hit record. It just seems like there's more cool cards, selling Yes.

Now than this time last year. I wanna get into something we've never done here before, Nic. And this you know, you have zero information, about this, and we're gonna do a blind rank, and we're gonna blind rank Yes.

Years of prism. And I I picked five years of prism, and you don't know what those five years are. So you know you got five slots, and I'm gonna present a a a I'm gonna give you an example.

I'll I'll give you the visual of the card, and you'll see the year. But then you're gonna have to decide. And I'm I've got a little I've got a little pad here. I'm writing these down just to make sure I keep track.

And and you're gonna say in the top five, where where on yours, you don't even know I'm guessing. Where do you put this? So Okay. So you're gonna say the one, and I'm gonna I'm gonna rank it right away without the one?

You've got you you can you can think about it, but the you you one through five. And Okay. These are coming at you in just no particular, but there's gonna be five years of, Prism, and you're just gonna have to blind rank them.

And that so I can wait till I hear all five and then rank them? No. No. See, you're gonna have to say Alright. Alright. You you I'm gonna give you one right here, and you're gonna have to say one through five.

Gotcha. You got it? I like it. Yes. I got it. Okay. Okay. So the first year I'm throwing at you is if this what's what's technical difficulties here.

Me too. Let's let's re redo this here. Here we go. Share. Why isn't this that's let's see here. Stop. Let's see here. We're this makes for a a fun podcast when we okay.

Window. Let's Keeping the suspense. That's that this is the weirdest thing I've ever seen before. Never happened. This is a first on auction talk. Yeah. This has never happened. Let me let me see if it's okay.

There's one. It might be the that's so weird. Okay. I'm going to I'm gonna share share the first example, but then I'm gonna have to move out and and figure this out. But the the first example we're gonna give is, twenty fourteen Prism.

So it you know, you can think about it. What do you what do you have to say? Like, how do you what are your thoughts on this? And out of your top five, where are you gonna rank it in real life?

That you started with this one because this is your favorite, I believe, or what It is. And then why I wasn't trying to start with it. I just It's happened to be. Yeah. I'm gonna say I'm gonna go two for twenty fourteen.

Any any context on why it's two for you? I'm leaving I'm leaving room for one. I I do appreciate the, like, full gold of the card. It's it's the only one that's just blown out in all gold if I'm not mistaken.

And just thinking of other years, there's not that many that I would rank ahead of this. So we'll we'll just put it at two. Alright. Twenty twenty four. So that's what's the new work.

Yeah. I'm going five, and it's because we've kinda seen this design before in the 2013. And I think 2013 did it better. And it's so new that it's hard to, like maybe it will eventually climb that list, but right now, it's five.

Okay. There you go. Twenty thirteen. See, this is what I was hoping. I would put this at one over Okay. I love the 2013 design. The shine of the twenty thirteens is just insane, man. Like, in hand, even the silvers.

I remember getting the silvers, like, on consignment and eBay, and I'd scan it. I'd be like, that doesn't look like the card at all. Because I'm sitting there holding it going back and forth, and it's just, like, blinding me.

So the twenty thirteen design and shine is is hard to beat. Okay. We've got two left. Twenty sixteen. 20 16. I'm gonna go four. This is actually one of my least favorite designs.

20 it's funny because 2024, like, just the look, I probably like more, but it's the fact that it's, like, it it's not a unique design in my opinion. So I'm okay with twenty sixteen f four.

Okay. And by default, let's just, This is the one we couldn't bring up? Yeah. It's which I don't we're we're we're having we're getting it blocked here by some reason, but, okay, why not throw him? Let's see if this works.

Here we go. Here we go. Hey. Twenty twenty. I put it at three. Dude, I think this is exactly how I woulda ranked them if I saw all of them upfront and had to rank them one through five. I feel like I did pretty good.

I actually like the twenty twenty design. It's pretty different with kinda how it goes in on the middle there. But the shine is strong on it too. So twenty twenty We've got 2013, '20 '14, '20 '20, '20 '16, and 2024 Boom.

Is the last one. Good job. Literally the master list. There's no other opinions that would, be better than that. I think that was perfect ranked. Not a bad way to blind rank.

Little technical by the way, I was try I was trying to show the Joe Joe Burrows. Uh-huh. It was just I don't know what was going on there, but, when I think of 2020 prism, I I I I tend not to think about LaMelo Ball.

I think more about Joe Burrow. I'm with you. I'm with you. The 2020 NFL class, but LaMelo was a good consolation.

Yes. He was. Okay. We got a mailbag. Some good ones here. B Latrenko, he's an OG stacking slabs followers, so shout out. Yeah. His question is once tops and fanatics obtained all licenses, what does this mean for modern Panini era?

It's tough. I think, you know, it's hard to imagine the staying power that they're gonna have. They're gonna have some licenses no matter what. It's just like what sports will it be.

And I just think we're just gonna the further away we get from the end of Panini with the major sports, the more nostalgia people are gonna have for the original, you know, those What's that what's that?

I I agree. I built my a lot of my collection around this thesis. What the I I have, like, all day, I guess, to is to say because it's, like, a lot of this stuff I wanna keep in my collection for a long time.

But what do you think that period of time is from, like, migrating over to the what's new to the nostalgia of the prism and Yeah.

Results we see on the auction front? I think we're seeing that getting ahead of the nostalgia buying has been happening for the last year at least, and it will continue to happen until these licenses are gone completely.

Then people will flock to the new shiny toy and buy that and pay a lot for that. There will still be savvy people with patience buying Panini while everybody flocks to the new shiny toy.

And then I think we'll see a stall out period where just things will be stagnant with the Panini stuff. People are starting to try to get ahead of things more, so cycles are shortening.

So I'm gonna say I'm gonna say three years, you'll see a little something happen. And then I think it's, like, every couple years, it'll just kinda, like, have another moment.

And I'm kinda going off of, like, 90 segments and and just, like, players in those segments, and, like, they tend to have a moment every couple years that goes by.

So that's what I think will happen. That makes sense to me. I like this next question. I always ask for brain busters, and this is a tough one.

I was actually thinking about this for a while, but this will be good. This is from the card father 13. Is it wise to submit private sales of one of ones on card ladder in order to have comps or just leave it as private?

Do you have an opinion? I mean, I will come from the, the, investment perspective because I know, like, that's I'm good at bringing that perspective because it's different.

Only if it's a huge sale. Like, if you're thinking of, like, how's this gonna benefit me to submit this sale and you're thinking from a financial lens, it's only gonna benefit you if it's a big sale.

And then it's like, I'm not even sure. I don't know how it would by really benefit you financially unless you have a bunch of other one on ones or you have lower parallels in that set.

But, again, it's kind of a deceiving reason to wanna publicize that private sale like that. But I just wanna give that perspective. So maybe you can give, like, the other perspective.

I I was just, to me, I was trying to, like, draw a line in between this, and it's like, to me, you put the data in there if you think that that's going to help you sell another card or adjacent copy or that card itself, and it's gonna help your sale.

Like, I can see the rationale there.

But for like, as a buyer or as a collector, to me, I I'm there's with one of ones, there's just there's so much gray area that, to me, I feel like I might not be able to get the best value out of something I'm trying to collect if they're I'm constantly shooting myself in the foot and putting what I paid privately for a comparable card, in the card ladder.

And that's not, like, not trying to deceive anyone, but it's just, like also, it's like, there is an element of, like, these deals are private.

Right. It's like the that is a that is a a environment where a lot of people sell cards, and I just I'm not I don't believe that, like, we should feel compelled Yeah. To make every sale we have public.

Nor do I think if someone makes a deal with us and it's private, I I don't think it's their right to go, especially if they don't own the card anymore to go then put the I just I think that, like, you have to have a conversation around that as opposed to just, like, doing that.

And, again, it's not like it's not like intentionally trying to withhold information, but, also, it's like sometimes in competitive spaces, it's like you need like, if you're doing the buying, it's like you you don't want someone to come in and just, like, three to four x a card that you coulda gotten for a price just because you know?

So it's like there's a bunch of nuance to it all. I'll give a third perspective, and and this is my personal belief as a co as a collector. I think part of the aura of rare cards is not seeing them as much, like, not seeing them.

So I don't want the public sale out there because I don't even want people to see the card or know where it is. I want the aura out there of like, man, that's a sick card. I wonder who has it.

And I know I have it. Right? Like, that's maybe that's my, like, pride or something, but it's like the aura of the card is it's that's a special part of it to me. And the the unknown of where it's at is gets me excited about it.

We have a returning Drake, Drake's PC. What rules do you have for each for cards for what what rules do you each have for your PC? And if and when you take your PC to judgment day, what factors go into deciding what stays or what goes?

If it's a player, type of card you'd keep in your collection, whatever. Dude, there's no rules. It's it's it is it's it's what it's I I I operate in projects, and it's like in connection points.

And it's like, I don't get rid of cards that are connected back to I typically don't get rid of cards that are connected back to a broader collection that I'm building.

I don't think through player the lens of player PCs anymore. I just like, there's no start and stop. It's no, like, I can't sell this card because I have this player PC or whatever.

I I don't even I just it's it's very in the moment. It's very sudden. I don't like to think too much about it. I know that I need a certain amount of money because, typically, judgment day is a result of me buying a big card.

And so, yeah, it's not very straightforward. The only, like, I don't know, rule or qualifier that I have is, like, I I'm not selling a card if it connects back to a bigger project or story in my collection that I've got going on.

Outside of that, like, cards gotta go sometimes, and you just gotta be okay with it. Yeah. And I'm in a totally different spot now where I'm, like, pretty much selling everything.

I'm trying to keep what I can, but the only rule for me is, like, what what do I keep? It's really, like, what is hardest to get the best value for right now.

Honestly, like, it's a it's gonna be a rare card, but it's also like, I don't wanna sell it for that money because I think it's got more potential. I'd rather keep it. You know?

It might not be like, if I looked at five cards that I have, this might not be the card that I like the most or wanna keep the most. It's the card that's the hardest to sell for the value I think it's worth, if that makes sense.

So that's where I'm at now, but I've sold most of my stuff, most of my bigger cards, and and the the one or two that I have left is that that's why.

And I still love the cards, and I'm glad I have them. And if the right price comes along, I would I would sell them. But for now, that's that's why they're in my collection still.

Good question. Definitely something that I think about a lot. And the more, loosey goosey I've made it, this is I try not to, like, it I try not to think about my cards, like, like, too intimately.

Like, I'm like I try to be like, I love these cards, but, like, sometimes things you love gotta go. And so that's that's I try to keep my distance. Yeah. And maybe that's right. Maybe that's wrong, but, like, I don't know.

That's why I I tend to try to have part of my collection be based off of connection points or a bigger picture, and that helps me decipher what to do. But good question, Drake. Another one from Matt Mcdoyle Sports.

More of a comment, and this is good. This is a good one. K. I'm seeing a cycle recently with a consolidation push to the few best cards of a player. My thought or concern is that there's a small amount of those cards.

If there's a small amount of those cards, it can be difficult to find, then what? Should we be considering managing our collection in the same way businesses manage their investment portfolio with allocation principles?

As always, enjoy the material making the hobby better. Thank you, Matt. Yes. I don't know. Like, how do you think through this? So I think, you know, I don't know about the allocation principles and and how defined you wanna get there.

But what I do know is this, he talked about the cycle and this hobby is cyclical, and everything comes back around. And I think the zag right now might be what everybody's consolidating out of, buy and hold.

Because at some point, we're gonna run out of cards for people to buy, and they're gonna wanna buy cards, and they're gonna start looking at the more common cards that will keep them active.

And you're gonna be sitting in the position holding a bunch of those cards at what they were, quote, you know, not dumping them for, but giving them away for because they got what they wanted out of them, and that was the bigger card.

So let me run this to you, Nic. There is a move from tops and fanatics to bring in superstars to these rip nights, more exposure. You know, this is great. Like, I watch Monday Night Raw, and they have a matchup.

And the matchup are who's about to wrestle, but they're of the tops chrome card. So it's just like we didn't It's just there's more exposure than ever before. Lot of new eyeballs, lot of new people coming in.

Now we all know because we've been there at some point in our lives where we're returning to the hobby and the trials and tribulations of, like, trying to figure it out and find our footing, and losing money, and then realizing this isn't what we wanna collect, but then finding this place where we wanna collect.

And once we find that zone, it's in a it's a really good spot.

I just think about, like, what you just said, and my mindset is if there are eventually in the next, you know, six to twelve months to two years, there's gonna be a new flood of collectors that didn't fall out the bottom and were like, I lost all my money on breaks, but are, like, finding their footing in different categories.

Those are the cards that when they're moving to their next level, we'll be chasing. And it's like that appetizer before then they're going and Yeah. You know, maybe bidding on these bigger cards on a premier or elite auction.

So I think what you just said is very sound, and it would be a good way to have, inventory of cars that you appreciate, but also, like, a new wave of collectors are gonna really admire as they're trying to, like, reconfigure the way they think about collecting.

100%, man.

And I think that's something to keep an eye on. Like, something simple in the 90 segment is the 97 credentials. Like, the the more rare parallel, whether it's a future or now for a specific player, they're they're skyrocketing in value.

Right? They're selling for astronomical prices. And then the less rare parallel of those players like, if you see those dipping at the same time, that's your opportunity because of what you just said.

Like, people that are gonna want a piece of that set and are new to the space, they're gonna start with the less rare parallel of the two because they can afford it.

It's easier for them to chew on and and to to leap into with that that new venture.

But they're they're almost everybody gets to that point where they want the bigger card. They want the more rare card. And it's it's just how long does it take for them to get there.

So the cycle is almost moving both ways simultaneously, so it's it's feeding each side. But it's just something to keep an eye on. But when you hit that when you just think about it, you you hit that breaking point of like, okay.

Say everybody's moving to the most rare cards of the player they can get. It's gonna hit a breaking point where you cannot get those cards.

A good chunk of people cannot get the cards they want, and their decision is either I totally stop collecting that player, I stop buying cards at all, or I buy lesser cards of that player that are more available that I still enjoy.

So there's your zag right there. Oh, that was a good one.

Thank you, Matt. The neck the last one is from my good friend Tim at Timmer's Cards. What is considered an active playing year card in Prism? This came up when I questioned Drake about why he isn't collecting Breeze through 2021 Prism.

While Breeze was only active through 2020 NFL season, I'm of the opinion that the 2021 is still a playing day card for him. Reasons listed below for an active player prism list, the previous season stats on the back.

In the case of 2021, Prism Bliss, Breeze final stats in 2020. For retired Prism Bliss, NFL totals in their stat line as they have done for Breeze in 2022 and 2024 Prism.

Also, I will would point out, historically, Prism checklist heavily reflects the results of the recent recently completed season.

Players that have good seasons tend to make the checklist and the inserts. Where the argument hits a bump is rookie cards. Twenty twenty four rookie season for Daniels. Twenty twenty four rookie card in Prism.

No year gap like my argument, vets. I've never heard this this this line of thinking. I love it. The stats on the back. I kinda like it. Yeah. I need to get it gives the back of the cards a little more meaning, man.

I like that. I haven't heard it either, honestly. I I, Tim, I I purposefully didn't read your question in advance because I wanted it to hit me in, in real time, but I I think I think you've got some validity to your argument.

I'd love to hear what other collectors think about that, that, but it's very sound.

That last line he said, though, where he kinda counters his own argument where it's like the rookie year, Jaden Daniels' you know, first playing year card is from his first year of playing.

So that's super interesting. Yeah. I don't know, like because because I love his argument. If I had to pick a side, I'm gonna pick his side because it gives it gives one more year of a playing day card, and I'm all for that.

Oh, I, man. Here's an example. Okay. So 2015, you've got Manning's last prison year in playing days according to the rules or the rules we make up. But then 2016, he is it's his first appearance in Colts gear, but he's no longer active.

My question would be on the back of that card, does he have Bronco stats on there or not? According to this rule, he would, but then why would they make it why would they put him in a Colts uniform on it?

That that might be them telling us this is not a playing days car because his last year playing, he was not wearing this jersey, and we put him in this jersey.

Tim, I'm Tim, I'm gonna have to investigate further, but I love the freaking questions.

Good good work, man. These were great questions. They've all they got me to think a lot. Alright. Let's hit, what happened on the auction block for you of War Sports Cards this past week?

So we sold 231 cards. They did $231,028. I feel like the last, like, five auctions have been, like, the same auction almost. It's, like, all around that same range of cards and same value, which is great.

Repeatable, man. You gotta love it. Yeah. That you can't ask for more in in a business like this. One card that stood out was the the 2,000 FLIR Showcase Legacy out of 20 Barry Bonds PSA nine that we talked about.

Sold for 6,300. The last PSA nine sale, which it might have been that same copy, was for $37. 50 in September of twenty twenty three. So it's been about a year and a half since any or since that card sold.

So good bump. I I put a post out there, and and I just love to basketball guys just get so tricked, so it's part of why I do it. But I did, like, and explain the price gap between a Kobe of the same card.

It was a PSA eight that sold for, like, 27,000, and it was you know, there's three higher and up to PSA tens or whatever. And then the bond's PSA nine for $37. 50. There's no PSA tens, pop one, none higher, whatever.

And everybody's like, it's COVID. You know? Why would just blasting. Like, why would bonds sell for closer? Some were saying the gap should be bigger, so it was good to see the bonds, actually go up in value.

You know, I think I think that card is super fun because it's the most rare of the legacies, outside of the masterpieces. But, again, it says 2,000 and not $19. 90 something, so it sells it sells for less.

I, I love the I see them throughout the week when you lob those questions up, and I'm always like, oh, I I never remember too. I'm like, oh, should ask Nic what kind of DMs he's getting. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

It's usually usually people will stick to the comments, and I try not to chime in much because I want I don't wanna, like, bring my biases in. I want people to to hash it out with each other. So it's always useful information, honestly.

That's why I do it because I feel like I always learn something from a other person's perspective that I'm not thinking of, which is really why I do it. But, yeah, it always gets people going.

So Alright. We are hitting some auctions to close this out. And I haven't done this in a while, but wanna hit one from the Patreon group, which I believe is a one of our This is our score? I'm I'm looking at it on the list now.

So, yeah, this is one of our consignments. Okay. Well, you're getting six cards this week Yeah. Because, a great member of the Patreon community is supporting stacking slabs and using the more sports cards.

But the card here, this ends, on Sunday in the weekly is the 99 upper deck choice star quest gold, 10 Griffey junior out of a hundred PSA six.

This thing is already it's got 10 bids already up to $18. 50. It last sold January 5. A copy of this card sold January, fifth for 3,744.

I think this is, like, the perfect card of, like, yeah, this is a nineties card that has a hundred copies, which seems like a lot, but I'm not I don't collect nineties baseball, but I know that Star Quest Gold is a highly coveted nineties parallel in the baseball collecting community, and you've got Griffey here in just looking at, like, what he's like, exactly what he's wearing in this.

And it's like, when I close my eyes in that uniform, this is exactly what I picture Yeah. A griffian in a swinging pose. So, just a really cool card.

Good opportunity to, get one of those cards of the most collectible player in the set. If you're ever looking to pick up a Griffey, to me, this would be a a fun starting point. For sure. And just some added tidbits on the scarcity.

This is a pop five, only one higher. The one higher is is a PSA seven. It's not like it's an eight or nine or 10. So it's, you know, barely one one copy graded higher. There's only 12 total copies graded between PSA, BGS, and SGC.

So there's a hundred copies. A raw copy would That's crazy. A raw copy is easily four figures. So it's totally worth grading, especially when a PSA six gets a multiplier of what a raw would get.

So the fact that there's only 12% of the total population or total of print run that's even graded, like, this card is way more scarce than a hundred copies. Dude, that's insane.

Wow. It's a fun one. I I don't wanna, like, get it open this up, but, like, to me, on the nineties front, what blows my mind, and I understand, like, time and place when people graded this, like, this is generalizing.

But how few great nineties cards are in, like, PSA holders as opposed to, like, BGS holders? And just, like I don't know. To me, it's like, there's there's there's a whole another conversation, at another time for that.

But to me, it's just, that's that's an interesting component that I've observed from all of this. Don't bring it our way if it's not PSA. Don't bring it our way, man.

At all. Alright. Let's get into five others. This one's a doozy. Yes. Cool. I I I'm I'm glad this one, I know there were some things being moved around, and I was wondering if it was gonna hit the auction block, and here it is.

This one's awesome. It's a 02/2009 Bowman Chrome Super Fracker one zero one Calvin Johnson PSA 10.

It's always fun when you get a PSA 10 on a on a super frac or on a one on one. But, yeah, there's people have probably seen this card maybe, because it sold recently in November on eBay, for 6,500, and that comp was interesting.

And the seller or the buyer told me what happened because I didn't even catch the the card, the auction.

He bought it for 6,500. I think it was he said it was listed with a starting bid of 5 or 6 k. I don't remember. And it had a best offer on it. And he saw it instantly because it was one of his safe searches.

Saw it instantly, offered 6,500, it got accepted, and the auction ended. So most people never saw this card actually listed. The auction did not run through. It didn't even go twenty four hours. So keep that in mind with that comp.

That's what I love about comps is, like, there's there's a story behind them still. Like, you you can't always take them at at face value unless you watch that entire sale play out or you know all the details of it.

So, that's super interesting. In the last ten years, I was just curious. Like, I feel like I never see Calvin Superfractors.

Like, this is the only one, so I wanted to look up how many have sold, from the Topps era. And in the last ten years, only two other Calvin Johnson super fractures from the TOPS era have sold publicly.

His 02/2015 TOPS chrome sold in 2023, which is the last year of TOPS chrome. So it's like it's like the least desirable super fracker of his of the TOPS era. Ugly. Ugly hair. Yeah. It doesn't do the super fracker justice.

So that sale was like I mean, it it happened, but, like, it's it's its own category in my opinion. And then his 02/2014, finest super fracker sold in 02/2014, like like, December or something in 02/2014.

So Jeez. Those are the only two. And then this one that just sold, in November. So, like, good luck finding a a Calvin Johnson Topsyra SuperFractor.

And I think this is a massive car. Like, I so, you know, I funded a a a few of the Peyton Manning super factors. Right? Somebody that asks a lot of questions in this on this podcast has a lot of them.

Right? So I wanted to see, like, what are those sell for for, like, other big cards and and because Calvin doesn't have a lot of big sales. Like, he just doesn't.

His his this super fracture is is his biggest non rookie card sale ever by, like, a mile. The second biggest was his 2012 gold Prism PSA nine back in 2023 for, like, $3,500, which I think it would sell for a good chunk more now.

100%. Hundred %. It'd probably sell for 7 to $10,000 potentially. So I wanted to see what Peyton's Prism Gold does compared to what some of his super factors were selling for.

And, one of his super factors, the 2,010, I believe, finest, sold for, like, $2,527,000. And its Prism Gold sells for, like, way less than $10,000. It's like it depends on the grade, like, anywhere from, like, 4 to $8,000.

So and that's a twenty ten finest. So it's like a later year. It's finest, it's probably you know, bone and chrome finest are probably pretty close. Maybe finest is a notch higher for for football collectors.

It gives you put some perspective on maybe more modern big cards of Calvin that people might be more familiar with and what they might be valued at relative to a super factor like this.

So it's a card that I think is, what I like to say, sneaky big. Yes.

I'm excited to see where this one's ends up based on all I know about Calvin Johnson and the competitiveness with his cards. For sure. This one's cool. I I wanted to include this because it's a more affordable gold Prism Mahomes card.

This is twenty twenty two Prism Fireworks gold out of 10. Patrick Mahomes PSA 10. I've always thought the fireworks were fireworks insert was was cool because it gave you it I mean, it's it's a cool design.

It's different, but it also gives you a more affordable kind of landing point for prism gold of a player. Like, this card is, like, around a thousand dollars maybe.

You know? His twenty twenty two prism gold is gonna be about $15,000 probably. So it gives you a way to, you know, have a piece of that market without, you know, getting into some prices that less and less people can afford.

Can't go wrong with a Patrick Mahomes gold anything. That's right. This one I love is 97 SP authentic traditions, a dual autograph, Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, SGC eight.

There's not many Pacfold Joe Montana, Jerry Rice on card autographs that exist. So just keep that in mind. You're talking about two of the greatest football players of all time that played together.

This the the picture, the scan of this card, it's a hard card to get a good picture of. It doesn't do it justice. It pops way more in hand. The autographs really stand out much more in hand than they do on a scan like this.

But this is, like, super affordable. I mean, some of these were selling for under a thousand dollars, though, which is mind blowing to me that, like it it mean I don't even have to get into it.

Just look at any other dual autographs on the basketball side, and none of them ever sell for less than a thousand dollars.

So, again, another super affordable chance to get a dual auto of two of the best football players of all time. I love it, man. And I felt bad talking about Jerry Rice and Joe Montana not bringing up Steve Young.

Hey. Did you but first, did you notice this on this? So you've got the the they have, like, the late eighties maybe look and then the early nineties look here. That is interesting. Yeah. I guess because Montana went to the Chiefs.

Was that early nineties or mid nineties? Ninety I always wanna say, like, '93, '90 '4. Yeah. It was earlier nineties. So, yeah, that is interesting. I didn't even catch that, but it does pop once you say that. Yes.

So this next one is the '96 Select certified premium stock mirror red, Steve Young, PSA nine. You guys have heard me talk about this parallel before. I think it's the the most, underappreciated nineties football parallel, in my opinion.

And it wasn't always that way. It used to be the the parallel to buy in the nineties. It was the parallel that everybody wanted for the biggest football players.

It's a football only, parallel, so it's unique in that regard. There's only 20 copies of each of these. It's not serial numbered, but there were print runs of twenty twenty cards on this, so it's the most rare parallel in the set.

The Steve Young hasn't sold publicly in over nine years, which is insane, and it's still gonna be an affordable card.

Dan Marino PSA nine sold for, like, $9,950. I mean, you're talking about hundreds of dollars for a card that, like, used to be the card, the go to card, for for each player.

And I feel like it's a card that just it's one of those story cards. Right? Like, there's a story behind the 96 certified set, and it's just not a story that a lot of people know.

So that's what gives it potential in the long run-in my opinion. I love it. I I I enjoy seeing collectors out there who are picking up lots of these, which always is an indication that, they are coveted.

Yeah. We didn't even talk about the color match on that one too. So this one, so I cheated here. So you said I have six cards. I have, like, six in this one little link right here. You know how I like to do it. Yes.

But this is a variety of nineteen ninety seven Stadium Club, Triumvirate, and Illuminator, PSA tens. You'll also see a Jordan PSA nine in there that is also ours. But, wanted to highlight more more so the PSA tens. There's a McGrady.

There's an Alonzo Mourning. Scroll down. I think there's a KG. Yeah. Kevin Garnett, Charles Barkley, and Keith Van Horn. So these are forget Van Horn now. Don't forget Van Horn. And his is a pop one. The others are pop two or three.

But this is a set that basketball collectors love to collect the set because it's an, I wanna say, quote, unquote, easier set to collect, but it makes sense to collect the set because the cards literally connect to each other when they're not in the slabs.

Like, it's a three piece kind of puzzle, essentially.

So it's a fun one to collect. So when you can get pop one, pop two, pop three PSA 10 copy of these cards and these are no notable names. Right? They're they're not like, you know, no name guys at the bottom of the set.

It matters. So these are cards that, like they could they could go nuclear because of that, but they also might slide through the cracks just because people don't know how significant a PSA 10 of this might be.

Lots of cards covered. Go go buy a card this week. Buy one and post it and tag us. Yes. There's a lot of fun stuff out there. I really enjoyed digging into previous sales and, what's ahead.

So, Nic, what do you wanna plug before we get out of here? Just go check out the premier auction because that's one that I think is, you know, easy for people that don't always participate in it to kinda forget about it.

And I think there's plenty of cards even outside of ours that are gonna be in your price range and you it might surprise you.

So check them out. Awesome. Everyone, go check out what Nic is doing at the war sports cards. Appreciate you supporting what we're doing over here. We'll be back. Talk to you all very soon. Thanks, everybody.